Is a 2021 season going to happen?

[bananas]

Been in two NJ hospitals over the last month. According to informed staff , one large hospital presently had 0 patients being treated for COVID and the other regional only 1 with neither having a mortality attributable to cover for quite some time. Not as knowledgeable as others here but if hospitalizations have declined sharply despite summer upticks amid much greater activity then is the strain of this virus weakening or is that just false hope?

Fair to say that this virus will still be worrisome in January but at what point does society embrace greater risk if severity declines for the masses .

It has picked up in other places. My sister is a nurse in Ohio. They have been expanding their capacity. Hospitals not overrun but patient through put is building.

Best wishes to your sister and all those serving on the frontlines combating . Quite heroic. Not the most informed but rolling upticks appear to be at least manageable with severity lessened. Keeping fingers crossed that this is case. Ill be quiet now

[Typical Lax Dad]

Been in two NJ hospitals over the last month. According to informed staff , one large hospital presently had 0 patients being treated for COVID and the other regional only 1 with neither having a mortality attributable to cover for quite some time. Not as knowledgeable as others here but if hospitalizations have declined sharply despite summer upticks amid much greater activity then is the strain of this virus weakening or is that just false hope?

Fair to say that this virus will still be worrisome in January but at what point does society embrace greater risk if severity declines for the masses .

It has picked up in other places. My sister is a nurse in Ohio. They have been expanding their capacity. Hospitals not overrun but patient through put is building.

Best wishes to your sister and all those serving on the frontlines combating . Quite heroic. Not the most informed but rolling upticks appear to be at least manageable with severity lessened. Keeping fingers crossed that this is case. Ill be quiet now

Wear a mask, stay away from crowds and use common sense and we will buy some time for a vaccine or a good therapeutic.

[Laxbuck]

My son is a D1 lacrosse player. Recovering from a very mild case of Covid-19. He will go through a cardiac evaluation before returning to rigorous exercise. He will be under the supervision of an excellent training staff. His risk of cardiovascular problems should be less than someone who had a viral illness and subsequent myocarditis, rare but possibly no less frequent than Covid-19. Remember the concern for myocarditis is only for those that have had CV-19. Most college athletes will never get CV-19 and myocarditis will never be a concern. Shutting down a season for this does not make sense when good medical care can prevent cardiovascular complications in athletes with a history of CV-19

I hope your son has a full recovery with no ill effects.

Curious where you are getting the data to state this? I have been looking for exactly this data. That the incidence of myocarditis is not more elevated from covid than say, the regular flu. Problem I have found is that there is little base line to compare with. There are some recent articles that suggest otherwise but I have yet to see a good base line comparison, I'd love to see an article discussing this.

No data to back this up but
If infection rate is 10x of confirmed case rate which antibody studies have projected then one would think myocarditis would be a much bigger problem. Viral myocarditis happens in other viral infections. Mild cases mostly go undetected. Mild cases in athletes with CV-19 will be detected. IMO that won’t prove CV-19 has a higher incidence of myocarditis as we aren’t screening for it with other viral illnesses.

[HooDat]

The bar cannot be no cases or zero spread, that just isn't how respiratory viruses work.

Nope - but it's minimizing spread to avoid overwhelming hospitals. You have to be proactive and think ahead - that's what most of the world did, and where we have not done.

Which hospitals have been overrun (not stretched, at capacity, etc, but OVERRUN)? It’s this kind of cliched, uninformed thinking that is driving the insanity. It has become an almost religious thing: believe, in the absence of evidence. Until it stops, we will not get back to normal. “The virus” is becoming the boogeyman that will always be there, lurking, waiting to strike, if we let our guard down for even a moment!

Happened in Texas. Happened in California. Mississippi. Florida. Really this evidence was stupid easy to find, and I can find more, but I don't want to, because it's not worth my time because I'm expecting you just are going to handwave away the truth because you anecdotally believe otherwise.

And see the post below the one I'm responding to. It's not just COVID - it's people who will not go to hospitals, or who can't, because the hospitals are otherwise occupied. Or ICUs at capacity.

In fact, why am I even engaging with you at all? I was curious why you were here, and you have 30 posts, all COVID related. Nothing to do with lacrosse. So pretty much you've just came onto a lacrosse board to be a troll.

Don't believe everything you read - especially in the national media when they have a chance to try to make Texas look bad! I can tell you for a fact that the hospitals in Houston have not even been stressed - the majority of my friends are doctors working in the medical center, a few are ER specialists. People aren't going to hospitals because they are AFRAID to go, they see the hype and decide that whatever their issue is, it isn't worth the risk of coming into contact with COVID patients.

Did anyone notice Harbaugh's commentary about his team's health since coming back to campus?

[Typical Lax Dad]

The bar cannot be no cases or zero spread, that just isn't how respiratory viruses work.

Nope - but it's minimizing spread to avoid overwhelming hospitals. You have to be proactive and think ahead - that's what most of the world did, and where we have not done.

Which hospitals have been overrun (not stretched, at capacity, etc, but OVERRUN)? It’s this kind of cliched, uninformed thinking that is driving the insanity. It has become an almost religious thing: believe, in the absence of evidence. Until it stops, we will not get back to normal. “The virus” is becoming the boogeyman that will always be there, lurking, waiting to strike, if we let our guard down for even a moment!

Happened in Texas. Happened in California. Mississippi. Florida. Really this evidence was stupid easy to find, and I can find more, but I don't want to, because it's not worth my time because I'm expecting you just are going to handwave away the truth because you anecdotally believe otherwise.

And see the post below the one I'm responding to. It's not just COVID - it's people who will not go to hospitals, or who can't, because the hospitals are otherwise occupied. Or ICUs at capacity.

In fact, why am I even engaging with you at all? I was curious why you were here, and you have 30 posts, all COVID related. Nothing to do with lacrosse. So pretty much you've just came onto a lacrosse board to be a troll.

Don't believe everything you read - especially in the national media when they have a chance to try to make Texas look bad! I can tell you for a fact that the hospitals in Houston have not even been stressed - the majority of my friends are doctors working in the medical center, a few are ER specialists. People aren't going to hospitals because they are AFRAID to go, they see the hype and decide that whatever their issue is, it isn't worth the risk of coming into contact with COVID patients.

Did anyone notice Harbaugh's commentary about his team's health since coming back to campus?

You mean that losing football coach? Tell Harbaugh to open his trap when he gets a win over The Ohio State University....I can bust on Harbaugh because my high school teammate’s son was his captain at Michigan and Harbaugh and my cousin were teammates on the Bears....I am a Buckeye so it’s all in fun.

[FannOLax]

....I am a Buckeye so it’s all in fun.

Having been born and raised in Ohio doesn't condemn you to being a Buckeye your entire life. I should know!

[Typical Lax Dad]

....I am a Buckeye so it’s all in fun.

Having been born and raised in Ohio doesn't condemn you to being a Buckeye your entire life. I should know!

Absolutely! I choose to embrace it.....all the East coast guys would look at the incoming freshman year book and play a game called find the buckeye! Harbaugh recruited my cousin’s son but he went to Kentucky because his father played there. I would like him more if he wasn’t at _ichigan

[Bart]

My son is a D1 lacrosse player. Recovering from a very mild case of Covid-19. He will go through a cardiac evaluation before returning to rigorous exercise. He will be under the supervision of an excellent training staff. His risk of cardiovascular problems should be less than someone who had a viral illness and subsequent myocarditis, rare but possibly no less frequent than Covid-19. Remember the concern for myocarditis is only for those that have had CV-19. Most college athletes will never get CV-19 and myocarditis will never be a concern. Shutting down a season for this does not make sense when good medical care can prevent cardiovascular complications in athletes with a history of CV-19

I hope your son has a full recovery with no ill effects.

Curious where you are getting the data to state this? I have been looking for exactly this data. That the incidence of myocarditis is not more elevated from covid than say, the regular flu. Problem I have found is that there is little base line to compare with. There are some recent articles that suggest otherwise but I have yet to see a good base line comparison, I'd love to see an article discussing this.

No data to back this up but
If infection rate is 10x of confirmed case rate which antibody studies have projected then one would think myocarditis would be a much bigger problem. Viral myocarditis happens in other viral infections. Mild cases mostly go undetected. Mild cases in athletes with CV-19 will be detected. IMO that won’t prove CV-19 has a higher incidence of myocarditis as we aren’t screening for it with other viral illnesses.

Yes, many viruses can potentially cause myocarditis. Very few interact with a cell surface protein that has an impact on the inflammatory response and generation of factors that influence the inflammatory response. It could be very localized inflammation in systems that have high concentrations of this cell surface protein. I suppose that is the interesting question that needs to be answered. The sticker here is that we (collectively) have no baseline to compare it to so time will tell. From what I can see there is very little information regarding mild cases in this regard.....

I hope your kid gets back on the field and he gets the appropriate cardiac tests to conclusively rule out myocarditis.

If you are interested, here is a review of the current state of thought regarding this issue: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 0X20300640

[Typical Lax Dad]

My son is a D1 lacrosse player. Recovering from a very mild case of Covid-19. He will go through a cardiac evaluation before returning to rigorous exercise. He will be under the supervision of an excellent training staff. His risk of cardiovascular problems should be less than someone who had a viral illness and subsequent myocarditis, rare but possibly no less frequent than Covid-19. Remember the concern for myocarditis is only for those that have had CV-19. Most college athletes will never get CV-19 and myocarditis will never be a concern. Shutting down a season for this does not make sense when good medical care can prevent cardiovascular complications in athletes with a history of CV-19

I hope your son has a full recovery with no ill effects.

Curious where you are getting the data to state this? I have been looking for exactly this data. That the incidence of myocarditis is not more elevated from covid than say, the regular flu. Problem I have found is that there is little base line to compare with. There are some recent articles that suggest otherwise but I have yet to see a good base line comparison, I'd love to see an article discussing this.

No data to back this up but
If infection rate is 10x of confirmed case rate which antibody studies have projected then one would think myocarditis would be a much bigger problem. Viral myocarditis happens in other viral infections. Mild cases mostly go undetected. Mild cases in athletes with CV-19 will be detected. IMO that won’t prove CV-19 has a higher incidence of myocarditis as we aren’t screening for it with other viral illnesses.

Good luck to your son. I feel bad for the kids that can’t play a sport. Hopefully everyone takes the tough medicine and we get the rate of transmission down and give everyone a chance to do more things. We want to have our cake and eat it too that’s why our numbers (across the country) are headed in the wrong direction.

[MDlaxfan76]

The bar cannot be no cases or zero spread, that just isn't how respiratory viruses work.

Nope - but it's minimizing spread to avoid overwhelming hospitals. You have to be proactive and think ahead - that's what most of the world did, and where we have not done.

Which hospitals have been overrun (not stretched, at capacity, etc, but OVERRUN)? It’s this kind of cliched, uninformed thinking that is driving the insanity. It has become an almost religious thing: believe, in the absence of evidence. Until it stops, we will not get back to normal. “The virus” is becoming the boogeyman that will always be there, lurking, waiting to strike, if we let our guard down for even a moment!

Happened in Texas. Happened in California. Mississippi. Florida. Really this evidence was stupid easy to find, and I can find more, but I don't want to, because it's not worth my time because I'm expecting you just are going to handwave away the truth because you anecdotally believe otherwise.

And see the post below the one I'm responding to. It's not just COVID - it's people who will not go to hospitals, or who can't, because the hospitals are otherwise occupied. Or ICUs at capacity.

In fact, why am I even engaging with you at all? I was curious why you were here, and you have 30 posts, all COVID related. Nothing to do with lacrosse. So pretty much you've just came onto a lacrosse board to be a troll.

Don't believe everything you read - especially in the national media when they have a chance to try to make Texas look bad! I can tell you for a fact that the hospitals in Houston have not even been stressed - the majority of my friends are doctors working in the medical center, a few are ER specialists. People aren't going to hospitals because they are AFRAID to go, they see the hype and decide that whatever their issue is, it isn't worth the risk of coming into contact with COVID patients.

Did anyone notice Harbaugh's commentary about his team's health since coming back to campus?

Texas is a very, very big state, with a lot of spread of the cases. Harris County (Houston) has the most cases, 89k of 536k, but if I understand correctly the most challenged hospitals are those near the border.

The good news, so far, is that Texas's rise in cases peaked mid-July and been fairly flat these last couple of weeks, same for deaths, pretty flat, though continuing to be high at just under 200 per day average.

But school opening is a huge wild card.

Let's be clear, the reasons that hospitals haven't been totally crushed during the peaks in their area is that so many other patients avoided coming to the hospital...there simply were not enough beds, and the situation was high in danger of infection. That wasn't hype, it was reality. The doctors and nurses have been very, very clear that they have never experienced the degree of death that they have faced during the pandemic. They've often been working many extended over time periods, exhausted both physically and emotionally. The system has been resilient, though at the expense of care for other patients.

But not over run. And hopefully won't be.

[Typical Lax Dad]

The bar cannot be no cases or zero spread, that just isn't how respiratory viruses work.

Nope - but it's minimizing spread to avoid overwhelming hospitals. You have to be proactive and think ahead - that's what most of the world did, and where we have not done.

Which hospitals have been overrun (not stretched, at capacity, etc, but OVERRUN)? It’s this kind of cliched, uninformed thinking that is driving the insanity. It has become an almost religious thing: believe, in the absence of evidence. Until it stops, we will not get back to normal. “The virus” is becoming the boogeyman that will always be there, lurking, waiting to strike, if we let our guard down for even a moment!

Happened in Texas. Happened in California. Mississippi. Florida. Really this evidence was stupid easy to find, and I can find more, but I don't want to, because it's not worth my time because I'm expecting you just are going to handwave away the truth because you anecdotally believe otherwise.

And see the post below the one I'm responding to. It's not just COVID - it's people who will not go to hospitals, or who can't, because the hospitals are otherwise occupied. Or ICUs at capacity.

In fact, why am I even engaging with you at all? I was curious why you were here, and you have 30 posts, all COVID related. Nothing to do with lacrosse. So pretty much you've just came onto a lacrosse board to be a troll.

Don't believe everything you read - especially in the national media when they have a chance to try to make Texas look bad! I can tell you for a fact that the hospitals in Houston have not even been stressed - the majority of my friends are doctors working in the medical center, a few are ER specialists. People aren't going to hospitals because they are AFRAID to go, they see the hype and decide that whatever their issue is, it isn't worth the risk of coming into contact with COVID patients.

Did anyone notice Harbaugh's commentary about his team's health since coming back to campus?

Texas is a very, very big state, with a lot of spread of the cases. Harris County (Houston) has the most cases, 89k of 536k, but if I understand correctly the most challenged hospitals are those near the border.

The good news, so far, is that Texas's rise in cases peaked mid-July and been fairly flat these last couple of weeks, same for deaths, pretty flat, though continuing to be high at just under 200 per day average.

But school opening is a huge wild card.

Let's be clear, the reasons that hospitals haven't been totally crushed during the peaks in their area is that so many other patients avoided coming to the hospital...there simply were not enough beds, and the situation was high in danger of infection. That wasn't hype, it was reality. The doctors and nurses have been very, very clear that they have never experienced the degree of death that they have faced during the pandemic. They've often been working many extended over time periods, exhausted both physically and emotionally. The system has been resilient, though at the expense of care for other patients.

But not over run. And hopefully won't be.

My neighbor’s son is headed back to University of Texas on Sunday. He is an athletic trainer there. He doesn’t expect the football or basketball team to get through the season based on what he sees the players doing. We will see. He was leery about going back.

[palaxoff]

My neighbor’s son is headed back to University of Texas on Sunday. He is an athletic trainer there. He doesn’t expect the football or basketball team to get through the season based on what he sees the players doing. We will see. He was leery about going back.

I heard a rumor of teas about getting team houses so the teams can be together and practice off campus during the fall.

[PulpExposure]

My son is a D1 lacrosse player. Recovering from a very mild case of Covid-19. He will go through a cardiac evaluation before returning to rigorous exercise. He will be under the supervision of an excellent training staff. His risk of cardiovascular problems should be less than someone who had a viral illness and subsequent myocarditis, rare but possibly no less frequent than Covid-19. Remember the concern for myocarditis is only for those that have had CV-19. Most college athletes will never get CV-19 and myocarditis will never be a concern. Shutting down a season for this does not make sense when good medical care can prevent cardiovascular complications in athletes with a history of CV-19

I hope your son has a full recovery with no ill effects.

Curious where you are getting the data to state this? I have been looking for exactly this data. That the incidence of myocarditis is not more elevated from covid than say, the regular flu. Problem I have found is that there is little base line to compare with. There are some recent articles that suggest otherwise but I have yet to see a good base line comparison, I'd love to see an article discussing this.

No data to back this up but
If infection rate is 10x of confirmed case rate which antibody studies have projected then one would think myocarditis would be a much bigger problem. Viral myocarditis happens in other viral infections. Mild cases mostly go undetected. Mild cases in athletes with CV-19 will be detected. IMO that won’t prove CV-19 has a higher incidence of myocarditis as we aren’t screening for it with other viral illnesses.

Yes, many viruses can potentially cause myocarditis. Very few interact with a cell surface protein that has an impact on the inflammatory response and generation of factors that influence the inflammatory response. It could be very localized inflammation in systems that have high concentrations of this cell surface protein. I suppose that is the interesting question that needs to be answered. The sticker here is that we (collectively) have no baseline to compare it to so time will tell. From what I can see there is very little information regarding mild cases in this regard.....

I hope your kid gets back on the field and he gets the appropriate cardiac tests to conclusively rule out myocarditis.

If you are interested, here is a review of the current state of thought regarding this issue: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 0X20300640

Just read this piece in the NYT by a cardiologist that follows the above.

An intriguing new study from Germany offers a glimpse into how SARS-CoV-2 affects the heart. Researchers studied 100 individuals, with a median age of just 49, who had recovered from Covid-19. Most were asymptomatic or had mild symptoms.

An average of two months after they received the diagnosis, the researchers performed M.R.I. scans of their hearts and made some alarming discoveries: Nearly 80 percent had persistent abnormalities and 60 percent had evidence of myocarditis. The degree of myocarditis was not explained by the severity of the initial illness.

Though the study has some flaws, and the generalizability and significance of its findings not fully known, it makes clear that in young patients who had seemingly overcome SARS-CoV-2 it’s fairly common for the heart to be affected. We may be seeing only the beginning of the damage.

Only 100 patients, but the results are eyebrow raising at the least.

[Matnum PI]

Wow. This confirms (or reminds us) that... We dont know yet. We can say, We're fine! Let's get back to school! And... We dont know.

[palaxoff]

An intriguing new study from Germany offers a glimpse into how SARS-CoV-2 affects the heart. Researchers studied 100 individuals, with a median age of just 49, who had recovered from Covid-19. Most were asymptomatic or had mild symptoms.

An average of two months after they received the diagnosis, the researchers performed M.R.I. scans of their hearts and made some alarming discoveries: Nearly 80 percent had persistent abnormalities and 60 percent had evidence of myocarditis. The degree of myocarditis was not explained by the severity of the initial illness.

Though the study has some flaws, and the generalizability and significance of its findings not fully known, it makes clear that in young patients who had seemingly overcome SARS-CoV-2 it’s fairly common for the heart to be affected. We may be seeing only the beginning of the damage.

Only 100 patients, but the results are eyebrow raising at the least.

This was a discussion point at the Power 5 meeting, so it must be something they are concerned about enough to let be part of the media release.

Having seen it in real life, it is not something to mess around. A very fit and active official friend probably 45 at the time had it. As I recall he went right through the emergency room (no waiting multiple doctors checking on him), to a critical care bed in the cardiac unit for a week, It took another 2 weeks of bed rest at home before he could go back to his job, and 5-6 weeks more before he could start working out. Doctors said he was lucky to avoid heart damage.

[DocBarrister]

Notre Dame may soon need to follow UNC and beat a hasty retreat after 58 students have already tested positive for the coronavirus. That includes an astonishing 50% positivity rate (15 of 30) on Sunday.

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/cor ... a46600646e

Poor foolish Notre Dame ... this is what happens when you follow the ACC into the abyss.

DocBarrister

[DocBarrister]

My son is a D1 lacrosse player. Recovering from a very mild case of Covid-19. He will go through a cardiac evaluation before returning to rigorous exercise. He will be under the supervision of an excellent training staff. His risk of cardiovascular problems should be less than someone who had a viral illness and subsequent myocarditis, rare but possibly no less frequent than Covid-19. Remember the concern for myocarditis is only for those that have had CV-19. Most college athletes will never get CV-19 and myocarditis will never be a concern. Shutting down a season for this does not make sense when good medical care can prevent cardiovascular complications in athletes with a history of CV-19

I hope your son has a full recovery with no ill effects.

Curious where you are getting the data to state this? I have been looking for exactly this data. That the incidence of myocarditis is not more elevated from covid than say, the regular flu. Problem I have found is that there is little base line to compare with. There are some recent articles that suggest otherwise but I have yet to see a good base line comparison, I'd love to see an article discussing this.

No data to back this up but
If infection rate is 10x of confirmed case rate which antibody studies have projected then one would think myocarditis would be a much bigger problem. Viral myocarditis happens in other viral infections. Mild cases mostly go undetected. Mild cases in athletes with CV-19 will be detected. IMO that won’t prove CV-19 has a higher incidence of myocarditis as we aren’t screening for it with other viral illnesses.

Yes, many viruses can potentially cause myocarditis. Very few interact with a cell surface protein that has an impact on the inflammatory response and generation of factors that influence the inflammatory response. It could be very localized inflammation in systems that have high concentrations of this cell surface protein. I suppose that is the interesting question that needs to be answered. The sticker here is that we (collectively) have no baseline to compare it to so time will tell. From what I can see there is very little information regarding mild cases in this regard.....

I hope your kid gets back on the field and he gets the appropriate cardiac tests to conclusively rule out myocarditis.

If you are interested, here is a review of the current state of thought regarding this issue: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 0X20300640

Just read this piece in the NYT by a cardiologist that follows the above.

An intriguing new study from Germany offers a glimpse into how SARS-CoV-2 affects the heart. Researchers studied 100 individuals, with a median age of just 49, who had recovered from Covid-19. Most were asymptomatic or had mild symptoms.

An average of two months after they received the diagnosis, the researchers performed M.R.I. scans of their hearts and made some alarming discoveries: Nearly 80 percent had persistent abnormalities and 60 percent had evidence of myocarditis. The degree of myocarditis was not explained by the severity of the initial illness.

Though the study has some flaws, and the generalizability and significance of its findings not fully known, it makes clear that in young patients who had seemingly overcome SARS-CoV-2 it’s fairly common for the heart to be affected. We may be seeing only the beginning of the damage.

Only 100 patients, but the results are eyebrow raising at the least.

DocBarrister

[JBFortunato]

"The most frequently described clinical entities were viral myocarditis..."
Covid-19? Nope, influenza, from a 2017 article. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28745014/

"Myocarditis is a difficult disorder to diagnose and treat, Dr. Cooper says. The most common cause of myocarditis is an infection ― usually viral ― that can damage heart muscle chronically or acutely in otherwise healthy people, Dr. Cooper says. Infections that affect the heart differ around the globe. In the U.S., a dozen common pathogens can be responsible. An example is coxsackie virus, which up to 70 percent of U.S. residents have been exposed to by the time they are 30. “But only 1 to 2 percent of people with acute coxsackie virus infection develop cardiac symptoms,” Dr. Cooper says."
Covid-19? Nope, says the Mayo Clinic, just a common viral infection, from a 2016 article. https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/disc ... -globally/

[FMUBart]

Wait, you mean Mayo clinic reports are more accurate than CNN?
The fact that Doc pasted a CNN article is enough for me!

[Drcthru]

"The most frequently described clinical entities were viral myocarditis..."
Covid-19? Nope, influenza, from a 2017 article. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28745014/

"Myocarditis is a difficult disorder to diagnose and treat, Dr. Cooper says. The most common cause of myocarditis is an infection ― usually viral ― that can damage heart muscle chronically or acutely in otherwise healthy people, Dr. Cooper says. Infections that affect the heart differ around the globe. In the U.S., a dozen common pathogens can be responsible. An example is coxsackie virus, which up to 70 percent of U.S. residents have been exposed to by the time they are 30. “But only 1 to 2 percent of people with acute coxsackie virus infection develop cardiac symptoms,” Dr. Cooper says."
Covid-19? Nope, says the Mayo Clinic, just a common viral infection, from a 2016 article. https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/disc ... -globally/

What are you talking about? There was no covid 19 until...duh...2019.