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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 3:35 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 3:19 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 3:10 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:26 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:29 am
:lol: Do you imagine that I'm not in favor of housing credits being able to used in any jurisdiction, with no discrimination by a landlord for the source of such income???

As to Gilman's neighborhood, which until very recently was deeply segregated by redlining, both religiously and racially, I'm quite comfortable with the increased integration that has occurred and hopefully more with time. And heck, the best public elementary school in the City of Baltimore, quite racially and socio-economically mixed, is less than 200 yards south of Gilman on Roland Avenue. A family relocated to that neighborhood would indeed have an excellent chance of thriving. That's the whole point.

And Gilman provides 100% scholarships for kids of need who show promise.
The best in ALL of Baltimore City? You don't say!

:?

Where do those kids who move in to that elementary/middle school's district go to h/s?

Roland Park, Lake Ave and the surrounds aren't sending their kids to Poly or City.
Kram,
Which public elementary school in Baltimore City would you say is better than Roland Park Public?
I'm happy to be corrected, but that's my understanding. Perhaps I should have said 'one of the best'??
And it's quite mixed, socioeconomically, racially, and religiously. About 1/3 white, 1/3 black, 1/3 other (asian, hispanic, etc)

But feel free to share which ones would be better than Roland Park Public...

If you increased the aperture, in Baltimore County alone (where we are), there would likely be 4 public elementary schools which would likely be considered even better. I recall when we had a neighbor move from California who had been an elementary school teacher there, her husband a professor at Stanford, now Hopkins. She focused on where to live based upon the elementary schools for their kids and chose Ft. Garrison area (Stevenson) for that reason. She said that there were 4 schools in our county that were superior to ANY, private or public, in all of California...whether that's 100% correct, I dunno, but she was very serious about it.

Back to the point, are you questioning whether a family and its kids would likely do better in that community than stuck at Latrobe ??
I'm saying RPES/MS is absolutely the best school in the city.
My brother in law was hell bent on buying in the City. He ultimately decided to build a home in Cedar Croft a few years ago. Loved the old houses all around and tree lined streets, but hadn't thought out the schooling part. Shortly after building, here comes their first kid...
ES and MS is just fine at RPES/MS... H/S not at all. Now the scramble to start socking it away because public h/s is "not an option." His words, not mine. And this is a guy who aligns much closer to dislaxxic, than me, politically.
I'm confused and must simply not be understanding.
Roland Park Public does not have a high school, it ends with Middle School.

Sounds like you agree that it's indeed the best public elementary school in the City?
Perhaps as well the Middle School?
Much better environment for kids and their education than all sorts of others all over the city.

That's all I said.
I didn't say it was the best public high school in the City because they don't have one. Yes, if staying in public school, the best nearby options would be Poly and City, Western, right? Poly/Western right down the hill.

Nor did I make an argument for public high schools more generally in our region, that's another topic altogether.
I'm saying that if you're not in RPES/MS district your options in Baltimore City are disastrous. RPES is quite the exception, not the rule. And all of those kids leave for private schools in 9th grade. City and Poly are shells of what they were formerly.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 3:25 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:42 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:04 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:33 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:29 am
Peter Brown wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:23 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:19 am
Peter Brown wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:14 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:23 am
Peter Brown wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:57 am Low-income housing is majority white people, not that you would realize that in your haste to stoke racial divisions.
49% white in low income housing

This is not even "code" for race baiting, it's full on. Well understood, long track record.

This is entirely about fear mongering politics, based on racial fears, not based on what is actually very good policy.

It's very clear that poor people, of whatever race, do far better, with no change to gov't support cost, when relocated to stable, middle and more affluent communities rather than the prior ghettos to which they have previously been limited. So, if we truly wish to improve peoples' lives and opportunities, we need to disaggregate concentrated poverty. This is all the more true for people of color who have been prior redlined for generations. How best to do so is an open policy debate, but not the underlying principle any more.

That fighting this good policy direction hurts poor white people in the process would never be Trump's concern. He's entirely focused on the racial fear. We (white suburbanites) notice people of color joining our community far easier than we do poor whites.

Trump's fear mongering is going to backfire as this is no longer the 20th century and most of those suburbanites Trump has been losing in droves know better. But there will, of course, be those who cheer him on.


You should have a few of the fine folks from Latrobe Homes set up next door to you. C'mon, lead by example MD!! Let us know how you do!

:lol:
Absolutely.
Lots of those families would do SO much better disaggregated, not trapped in those conditions crammed together in poverty and violence from the drug trade.

That's exactly the sort of public housing that needs to go.


So instead of haranguing the perfectly fine folks of Fanlax who prefer a safe home environment, go downtown today, demand that some residents of Latrobe set up next to Gilman School, and lead by example!
:lol: Do you imagine that I'm not in favor of housing credits being able to used in any jurisdiction, with no discrimination by a landlord for the source of such income???

As to Gilman's neighborhood, which until very recently was deeply segregated by redlining, both religiously and racially, I'm quite comfortable with the increased integration that has occurred and hopefully more with time. And heck, the best public elementary school in the City of Baltimore, quite racially and socio-economically mixed, is less than 200 yards south of Gilman on Roland Avenue. A family relocated to that neighborhood would indeed have an excellent chance of thriving. That's the whole point.



Would it hurt you if you learned that those nice persons of color actually don't want to live near you?

https://www.philadelphiafed.org/-/media ... nities.pdf
:lol: :roll:
Again with no reading comprehension.
Your link actually debunks the 'self-segregation' hypothesis, not confirms it.

CONCLUSION
The self-segregationhypothesis suggests that the persistence of racial segregation of African Americans results from preferences to live together based on positive feelings. If these preferences are important, the signifi- cance of racially separated neighbor- hoods would be less bothersome and the case for policy intervention much weaker. Researchers have examined the idea from numerous angles using different techniques and data sets. The evidence provided suggests that self-segregation, especially for positive reasons, helps little in understanding racial housing segregation. The sources appear to lie elsewhere, and unfortunately, the other possibilities can be far from benign. These include ongoing discrimination in real estate markets and racial stereotyping (see Yinger’s 1998 study). Forty years after the civil rights movement, it appears that much work remains to be done.


However, No, my feelings wouldn't be hurt if someone from a minority group didn't want to live near me or people like me. But that's not what has driven this concentration of poverty along racial lines, a desire to live with people of the same skin color. Or who go to the same church, etc.

We do see the latter effect (church, synagogue, mosque etc) in particular being a driver of people's neighborhood choices to some degree, but that's been ameliorated greatly by mobility. Less so those who need to walk on a Saturday or who can't afford a car.

That said, it's really hard to be one of the only people who are observed as 'different' from those around them. There needs to be enough diversity for it to become normal for the mix of people in the store, at the barber, in the church, in the school to include a mix that is not isolating for the minority...but that's also a factor of how welcoming each of those environments is as well as the observable diversity. It requires some effort at first.

I was recently a guest of my mom at a country club I grew up and was member of for decades as an adult but ultimately resigned from this past decade. We were outside, masked except when eating, pretty well handled safely, saw a lot of friends. She asked whether we'd like to go again. I said no. Well, there were about 10 servers all black, and one white boss, with every single person being served being white. Stark. Yes, we had managed to convince the club to open up to black members in the late '90's and took a lot of grief for it. And the club does have a couple of families two decades later, but that's it. Why? The response I'd gotten was there weren't blacks wealthy enough to afford it... :roll: Did I want the servers to be white and the black servers to be out of a job?? :roll:

No, I want less a-holes who don't notice that there's something really wrong about no black guests, no black members, and all black servers...

I'm just not willing to contribute economically to the club any more. Fed up.


I like this post.

Country clubs are fraught with all sorts of people one does not care to affiliated with, but such is the price of privacy sometimes.

But, more to the issue, I'd like for you to look at the country club situation from a slightly different perspective. Are those servers grateful to have a job? Are they paid well? Do they get benefits not generally available to people with their same skill sets? Are they content? Do they consider themselves less than their members? Should you judge them in the light of the server's needs or your former club member's a-holishness?

In Florida, if you have lived here long enough, you will know (we all do) that the only cleaners you should ever hire for your house are of Columbian heritage. Columbian women are notoriously fastidious in the cleanliness department, incredibly honest, and always reliable. What would you have me do? Should I hire someone who is less capable for the same money?
Petey, I agree with those that jumped on you for your clear demonstration of your own racism, yet again.

But they focused solely on your house cleaners.

You made the exact same dumb, clueless comment about the servers and how I feel about their employment that I had already addressed. My objection was not about whether they should not be hired but rather how inappropriate it is for there to have been no black members or guests in the mix, creating a stark reality of blacks as servants to their white-only patrons. The racist reality is brutally clear to the non-clueless.

And you then followed it up with how different races and heritages are better at various professions than others...clearly indicating that some are best suited to serve...

Your attempt to be enthusiastically praising personal qualities is poor cover for your real point, which, yes, is racist.


I had zero doubt you would! :lol:

The woke brigade prefers to deny cultural strengths because truth and common sense are no friend of collectivist thought. . Some cultures simply outperform others at certain tasks, but it’s always important to note that this is not absolute rather a guidepost. For instance, Maryland and New York continue to dominate lacrosse not because they’re more athletic than kids from Florida, but because lacrosse has been a part of the culture there for far longer. But that doesn’t mean Florida can’t produce the best players. We do and will. Just not at the same volume.
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Really? You're going to try and defend that your saying "blacks are good at basketball" is not a racist comment...
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Matnum PI wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:26 pm Really? You're going to try and defend that your saying "blacks are good at basketball" is not a racist comment...
He is NOT really defending it - he is trying to change the subject slightly so we forget about the racism...
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If o d and the r's were seriously worried about fraud they would be throwing money and resources at the prevention and cure.
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CU88 wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:36 pm If o d and the r's were seriously worried about fraud they would be throwing money and resources at the prevention and cure.
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CU77 wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 1:45 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 1:26 pm It’s “racist” to hire someone based on skill, honesty, and reliability.
That's not what you said. You said that you would hire based on NATIONAL HERITAGE, because people of a particular national heritage were skilled, honest, and reliable.
Good god, do you "wake up in the morning, offended?" :roll:
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tech37 wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:54 pm
CU77 wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 1:45 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 1:26 pm It’s “racist” to hire someone based on skill, honesty, and reliability.
That's not what you said. You said that you would hire based on NATIONAL HERITAGE, because people of a particular national heritage were skilled, honest, and reliable.
Good god, do you "wake up in the morning, offended?" :roll:
Racism is pretty offensive, is it not? :roll:

Not sure it’s worth arguing with a guy (Peter Brown) who favors the re-legalization of racial segregation.

Frankly, there are more reasonable racists with whom we can have a discussion on this forum.

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DocBarrister wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:13 pm
tech37 wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:54 pm
CU77 wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 1:45 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 1:26 pm It’s “racist” to hire someone based on skill, honesty, and reliability.
That's not what you said. You said that you would hire based on NATIONAL HERITAGE, because people of a particular national heritage were skilled, honest, and reliable.
Good god, do you "wake up in the morning, offended?" :roll:
Racism is pretty offensive, is it not? :roll:

Not sure it’s worth arguing with a guy (Peter Brown) who favors the re-legalization of racial segregation.

Frankly, there are more reasonable racists with whom we can have a discussion on this forum.

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kramerica.inc wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:24 pm
DocBarrister wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:13 pm
tech37 wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:54 pm
CU77 wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 1:45 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 1:26 pm It’s “racist” to hire someone based on skill, honesty, and reliability.
That's not what you said. You said that you would hire based on NATIONAL HERITAGE, because people of a particular national heritage were skilled, honest, and reliable.
Good god, do you "wake up in the morning, offended?" :roll:
Racism is pretty offensive, is it not? :roll:

Not sure it’s worth arguing with a guy (Peter Brown) who favors the re-legalization of racial segregation.

Frankly, there are more reasonable racists with whom we can have a discussion on this forum.

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Says the dude who labels everyone he disagrees with as “racist” but lives in a gated community to keep the riff-raff and rabble out.
What’s that got to do with anything?
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Just more screed from a liberal hypocrite.

“Do as I say, not as I do.”

Calls everyone racist, wants to end racism like redlining...just not in HIS neighborhood.
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kramerica.inc wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:56 pm Just more screed from a liberal hypocrite.

“Do as I say, not as I do.”

Calls everyone racist, wants to end racism like redlining...just not in HIS neighborhood.
What does redlining have to do with his neighborhood? His neighborhood has been redlined? He wants his neighborhood to remain “racist”?
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kramerica.inc wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:05 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 3:35 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 3:19 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 3:10 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:26 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:29 am
:lol: Do you imagine that I'm not in favor of housing credits being able to used in any jurisdiction, with no discrimination by a landlord for the source of such income???

As to Gilman's neighborhood, which until very recently was deeply segregated by redlining, both religiously and racially, I'm quite comfortable with the increased integration that has occurred and hopefully more with time. And heck, the best public elementary school in the City of Baltimore, quite racially and socio-economically mixed, is less than 200 yards south of Gilman on Roland Avenue. A family relocated to that neighborhood would indeed have an excellent chance of thriving. That's the whole point.

And Gilman provides 100% scholarships for kids of need who show promise.
The best in ALL of Baltimore City? You don't say!

:?

Where do those kids who move in to that elementary/middle school's district go to h/s?

Roland Park, Lake Ave and the surrounds aren't sending their kids to Poly or City.
Kram,
Which public elementary school in Baltimore City would you say is better than Roland Park Public?
I'm happy to be corrected, but that's my understanding. Perhaps I should have said 'one of the best'??
And it's quite mixed, socioeconomically, racially, and religiously. About 1/3 white, 1/3 black, 1/3 other (asian, hispanic, etc)

But feel free to share which ones would be better than Roland Park Public...

If you increased the aperture, in Baltimore County alone (where we are), there would likely be 4 public elementary schools which would likely be considered even better. I recall when we had a neighbor move from California who had been an elementary school teacher there, her husband a professor at Stanford, now Hopkins. She focused on where to live based upon the elementary schools for their kids and chose Ft. Garrison area (Stevenson) for that reason. She said that there were 4 schools in our county that were superior to ANY, private or public, in all of California...whether that's 100% correct, I dunno, but she was very serious about it.

Back to the point, are you questioning whether a family and its kids would likely do better in that community than stuck at Latrobe ??
I'm saying RPES/MS is absolutely the best school in the city.
My brother in law was hell bent on buying in the City. He ultimately decided to build a home in Cedar Croft a few years ago. Loved the old houses all around and tree lined streets, but hadn't thought out the schooling part. Shortly after building, here comes their first kid...
ES and MS is just fine at RPES/MS... H/S not at all. Now the scramble to start socking it away because public h/s is "not an option." His words, not mine. And this is a guy who aligns much closer to dislaxxic, than me, politically.
I'm confused and must simply not be understanding.
Roland Park Public does not have a high school, it ends with Middle School.

Sounds like you agree that it's indeed the best public elementary school in the City?
Perhaps as well the Middle School?
Much better environment for kids and their education than all sorts of others all over the city.

That's all I said.
I didn't say it was the best public high school in the City because they don't have one. Yes, if staying in public school, the best nearby options would be Poly and City, Western, right? Poly/Western right down the hill.

Nor did I make an argument for public high schools more generally in our region, that's another topic altogether.
I'm saying that if you're not in RPES/MS district your options in Baltimore City are disastrous. RPES is quite the exception, not the rule. And all of those kids leave for private schools in 9th grade. City and Poly are shells of what they were formerly.
Well, we were talking about disaggregating poverty and the proven reality that when families, with no increase in public support, are relocated to areas that are more stable, more affluent than their prior ghetto area, they do far, far better.

Petey thought he was challenging me when he asked how I'd feel about those families coming next door to Gilman. No problemo, there's a terrific public school for those kids right there with 41.5% white, 38.1% black, 5.4% Hispanic and 15% other. And yup, they do quite well.

Many go on to private schools, many on scholarship, others not. And yes, some go on to schools like Poly and City and Western which may not be the schools they once were, but are nevertheless decent public high schools.

So, a kid from a very poor family on subsidized housing voucher has a heck of a lot better chance of success when being integrated into that environment than battling their way through their neighborhoods to the schools they used to go to.

That's the whole freaking point!
Disaggregate the poverty...it's not the family in poverty, it's the concentration.
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CU88 wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:36 pm If o d and the r's were seriously worried about fraud they would be throwing money and resources at the prevention and cure.
I always have known that throwing money away in abject futility is a FLP thing. :D Good intentions don't justify FLP stupidity.
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tech37 wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:54 pm
CU77 wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 1:45 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 1:26 pm It’s “racist” to hire someone based on skill, honesty, and reliability.
That's not what you said. You said that you would hire based on NATIONAL HERITAGE, because people of a particular national heritage were skilled, honest, and reliable.
Good god, do you "wake up in the morning, offended?" :roll:
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:29 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:05 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 3:35 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 3:19 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 3:10 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:26 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:29 am
:lol: Do you imagine that I'm not in favor of housing credits being able to used in any jurisdiction, with no discrimination by a landlord for the source of such income???

As to Gilman's neighborhood, which until very recently was deeply segregated by redlining, both religiously and racially, I'm quite comfortable with the increased integration that has occurred and hopefully more with time. And heck, the best public elementary school in the City of Baltimore, quite racially and socio-economically mixed, is less than 200 yards south of Gilman on Roland Avenue. A family relocated to that neighborhood would indeed have an excellent chance of thriving. That's the whole point.

And Gilman provides 100% scholarships for kids of need who show promise.
The best in ALL of Baltimore City? You don't say!

:?

Where do those kids who move in to that elementary/middle school's district go to h/s?

Roland Park, Lake Ave and the surrounds aren't sending their kids to Poly or City.
Kram,
Which public elementary school in Baltimore City would you say is better than Roland Park Public?
I'm happy to be corrected, but that's my understanding. Perhaps I should have said 'one of the best'??
And it's quite mixed, socioeconomically, racially, and religiously. About 1/3 white, 1/3 black, 1/3 other (asian, hispanic, etc)

But feel free to share which ones would be better than Roland Park Public...

If you increased the aperture, in Baltimore County alone (where we are), there would likely be 4 public elementary schools which would likely be considered even better. I recall when we had a neighbor move from California who had been an elementary school teacher there, her husband a professor at Stanford, now Hopkins. She focused on where to live based upon the elementary schools for their kids and chose Ft. Garrison area (Stevenson) for that reason. She said that there were 4 schools in our county that were superior to ANY, private or public, in all of California...whether that's 100% correct, I dunno, but she was very serious about it.

Back to the point, are you questioning whether a family and its kids would likely do better in that community than stuck at Latrobe ??
I'm saying RPES/MS is absolutely the best school in the city.
My brother in law was hell bent on buying in the City. He ultimately decided to build a home in Cedar Croft a few years ago. Loved the old houses all around and tree lined streets, but hadn't thought out the schooling part. Shortly after building, here comes their first kid...
ES and MS is just fine at RPES/MS... H/S not at all. Now the scramble to start socking it away because public h/s is "not an option." His words, not mine. And this is a guy who aligns much closer to dislaxxic, than me, politically.
I'm confused and must simply not be understanding.
Roland Park Public does not have a high school, it ends with Middle School.

Sounds like you agree that it's indeed the best public elementary school in the City?
Perhaps as well the Middle School?
Much better environment for kids and their education than all sorts of others all over the city.

That's all I said.
I didn't say it was the best public high school in the City because they don't have one. Yes, if staying in public school, the best nearby options would be Poly and City, Western, right? Poly/Western right down the hill.

Nor did I make an argument for public high schools more generally in our region, that's another topic altogether.
I'm saying that if you're not in RPES/MS district your options in Baltimore City are disastrous. RPES is quite the exception, not the rule. And all of those kids leave for private schools in 9th grade. City and Poly are shells of what they were formerly.
Well, we were talking about disaggregating poverty and the proven reality that when families, with no increase in public support, are relocated to areas that are more stable, more affluent than their prior ghetto area, they do far, far better.

Petey thought he was challenging me when he asked how I'd feel about those families coming next door to Gilman. No problemo, there's a terrific public school for those kids right there with 41.5% white, 38.1% black, 5.4% Hispanic and 15% other. And yup, they do quite well.

Many go on to private schools, many on scholarship, others not. And yes, some go on to schools like Poly and City and Western which may not be the schools they once were, but are nevertheless decent public high schools.

So, a kid from a very poor family on subsidized housing voucher has a heck of a lot better chance of success when being integrated into that environment than battling their way through their neighborhoods to the schools they used to go to.

That's the whole freaking point!
Disaggregate the poverty...it's not the family in poverty, it's the concentration.
"Disaggregate the poverty...it's not the family in poverty, it's the concentration."

Yeah, that is the solution... spread the poverty equally among everybody. :roll: MD, when you decide to hire the least qualified people that you interview to diversify your own employees, then we can talk. You need to put your money and your business where your mouth is. I bet you a steak dinner you will never do that will you? Have you ever asked yourself MD why the poverty concentration is so high? The democrats have been trying to address this situation for 60 years years. They don't want a solution. The problem is what they continually campaign on to win re-election. If you have not fixed the problem in 60 years you don't really want to fix the problem. Does it really take a lowly HS graduate to point this little conundrum out to you. Our late great Congresswoman Louise Slaughter use to say this every 2 years when she ran for re-election... " I want to go back to warshington and fix what is broken. MD she never succeeded in 36 years. The dirty little secret was her job was never to "fix" anything. Her job was to get re-elected to one more term. You are savvy enough to know how this stupid little game is played. There are people in DC that pretend to have solutions to problems that they do not want fixed to begin with. Why?? If you actually fix a problem, what do you run on to be re-elected?
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cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:44 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:29 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:05 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 3:35 pm
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:29 am
:lol: Do you imagine that I'm not in favor of housing credits being able to used in any jurisdiction, with no discrimination by a landlord for the source of such income???

As to Gilman's neighborhood, which until very recently was deeply segregated by redlining, both religiously and racially, I'm quite comfortable with the increased integration that has occurred and hopefully more with time. And heck, the best public elementary school in the City of Baltimore, quite racially and socio-economically mixed, is less than 200 yards south of Gilman on Roland Avenue. A family relocated to that neighborhood would indeed have an excellent chance of thriving. That's the whole point.

And Gilman provides 100% scholarships for kids of need who show promise.
The best in ALL of Baltimore City? You don't say!

:?

Where do those kids who move in to that elementary/middle school's district go to h/s?

Roland Park, Lake Ave and the surrounds aren't sending their kids to Poly or City.
Kram,
Which public elementary school in Baltimore City would you say is better than Roland Park Public?
I'm happy to be corrected, but that's my understanding. Perhaps I should have said 'one of the best'??
And it's quite mixed, socioeconomically, racially, and religiously. About 1/3 white, 1/3 black, 1/3 other (asian, hispanic, etc)

But feel free to share which ones would be better than Roland Park Public...

If you increased the aperture, in Baltimore County alone (where we are), there would likely be 4 public elementary schools which would likely be considered even better. I recall when we had a neighbor move from California who had been an elementary school teacher there, her husband a professor at Stanford, now Hopkins. She focused on where to live based upon the elementary schools for their kids and chose Ft. Garrison area (Stevenson) for that reason. She said that there were 4 schools in our county that were superior to ANY, private or public, in all of California...whether that's 100% correct, I dunno, but she was very serious about it.

Back to the point, are you questioning whether a family and its kids would likely do better in that community than stuck at Latrobe ??
I'm saying RPES/MS is absolutely the best school in the city.
My brother in law was hell bent on buying in the City. He ultimately decided to build a home in Cedar Croft a few years ago. Loved the old houses all around and tree lined streets, but hadn't thought out the schooling part. Shortly after building, here comes their first kid...
ES and MS is just fine at RPES/MS... H/S not at all. Now the scramble to start socking it away because public h/s is "not an option." His words, not mine. And this is a guy who aligns much closer to dislaxxic, than me, politically.
I'm confused and must simply not be understanding.
Roland Park Public does not have a high school, it ends with Middle School.

Sounds like you agree that it's indeed the best public elementary school in the City?
Perhaps as well the Middle School?
Much better environment for kids and their education than all sorts of others all over the city.

That's all I said.
I didn't say it was the best public high school in the City because they don't have one. Yes, if staying in public school, the best nearby options would be Poly and City, Western, right? Poly/Western right down the hill.

Nor did I make an argument for public high schools more generally in our region, that's another topic altogether.
I'm saying that if you're not in RPES/MS district your options in Baltimore City are disastrous. RPES is quite the exception, not the rule. And all of those kids leave for private schools in 9th grade. City and Poly are shells of what they were formerly.
Well, we were talking about disaggregating poverty and the proven reality that when families, with no increase in public support, are relocated to areas that are more stable, more affluent than their prior ghetto area, they do far, far better.

Petey thought he was challenging me when he asked how I'd feel about those families coming next door to Gilman. No problemo, there's a terrific public school for those kids right there with 41.5% white, 38.1% black, 5.4% Hispanic and 15% other. And yup, they do quite well.

Many go on to private schools, many on scholarship, others not. And yes, some go on to schools like Poly and City and Western which may not be the schools they once were, but are nevertheless decent public high schools.

So, a kid from a very poor family on subsidized housing voucher has a heck of a lot better chance of success when being integrated into that environment than battling their way through their neighborhoods to the schools they used to go to.

That's the whole freaking point!
Disaggregate the poverty...it's not the family in poverty, it's the concentration.
"Disaggregate the poverty...it's not the family in poverty, it's the concentration."

Yeah, that is the solution... spread the poverty equally among everybody. :roll: MD, when you decide to hire the least qualified people that you interview to diversify your own employees, then we can talk. You need to put your money and your business where your mouth is. I bet you a steak dinner you will never do that will you? Have you ever asked yourself MD why the poverty concentration is so high? The democrats have been trying to address this situation for 60 years years. They don't want a solution. The problem is what they continually campaign on to win re-election. If you have not fixed the problem in 60 years you don't really want to fix the problem. Does it really take a lowly HS graduate to point this little conundrum out to you. Our late great Congresswoman Louise Slaughter use to say this every 2 years when she ran for re-election... " I want to go back to warshington and fix what is broken. MD she never succeeded in 36 years. The dirty little secret was her job was never to "fix" anything. Her job was to get re-elected to one more term. You are savvy enough to know how this stupid little game is played. There are people in DC that pretend to have solutions to problems that they do not want fixed to begin with. Why?? If you actually fix a problem, what do you run on to be re-elected?


Also for MD, what I meant was not that the Latrobe Home families would move next door to Gilman, but that they would move next door to him. If you claim to be holier than thou, lead by example! Invite the families you say need help into your home, or into your neighborhood (I don't know the Gilman neighborhood, so I assumed MD lives right next door to Gilman). Let's see who puts their money (and family safety) where their mouth is!

Also, I think MD is our resident Jennifer Rubin. I do not mean that as a compliment. :lol:
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Re: 2020 Elections - Enough Divisiveness Already

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DocBarrister wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:13 pm
tech37 wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:54 pm
CU77 wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 1:45 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 1:26 pm It’s “racist” to hire someone based on skill, honesty, and reliability.
That's not what you said. You said that you would hire based on NATIONAL HERITAGE, because people of a particular national heritage were skilled, honest, and reliable.
Good god, do you "wake up in the morning, offended?" :roll:
Racism is pretty offensive, is it not? :roll:

DocBarrister
Whose definition of racism, your's? Robin DiAngelo's?, the woke mob's?, some other true-believer's on this board?, all of the above? :roll:
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Re: 2020 Elections - Enough Divisiveness Already

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cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:23 am
tech37 wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:54 pm
CU77 wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 1:45 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 1:26 pm It’s “racist” to hire someone based on skill, honesty, and reliability.
That's not what you said. You said that you would hire based on NATIONAL HERITAGE, because people of a particular national heritage were skilled, honest, and reliable.
Good god, do you "wake up in the morning, offended?" :roll:
:lol:
That's a Bill Maher quote C&S, thus the quotation marks ;)
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A quick survey of the republican party in Harrison, Arkansas.



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