Progressive Ideology

[Typical Lax Dad]

Do you ever take the L after being roundly defeated? EVER!?!? My example is pre-1997.

You said it's "2nd world" to not spend 20%+ of GDP on Government. So, I point you to an example where a country spent considerably less (7.5%) and was quite economically successful at the same time.

You come back: that's not a real country! Also, who owns them today?!?!

Seriously man, it's not embarrassing to once in a blue moon accept defeat.

There isn't a single poster here who admits mistakes more than I. I make them all the time. Admitting that I'm wrong is the easiest thing in the world.


Pete, FFS sake man, who owned Hong Kong for over a hundred and fifty years BEFORE it was handed over to China.

You're pointing to a 154 year old British Colony and trying to sell me that it was an independent, sovereign nation.

Again: did you just sleep through your four years at U of Florida?

+1. If a person can’t say I was wrong or I made a mistake, you can’t trust anything that comes out of their mouth.

[youthathletics]

(by the way for anyone playing at home, the quickest way to ascertain the true intelligence of anyone from the Left you care to debate, simply ask the one fundamental question I did above which cuts through all of the extraneous noise: 'what's the maximum gross income tax rate (federal, state, and local) that any one taxpayer should be forced to pay?' Their answer is revealing of all else they hold dear to their hearts and mind; as you decipher their answer, what they're actually saying is they'd be content to take ___% from you)

Easy answer.

You raise those taxes until the budget is balanced, and every government service citizens get is covered and paid in full.

I have a question for you: what percentage of the government's budget should be covered by tax on businesses?

All of it.

Are you serious? You've gone full lefty-commie on us, have ya, six?

Your the one claiming we live in a socialist state.

Government controls all production.

Checkmate

[a fan]

Also Switzerland spends 10% on average of its GDP on government. They owned by the UK too?

https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/switze ... ment_size/

Pete, Switzerland's national taxes are lower than their Canton taxes (think: States, like in America)

So that 10% is just the Federal taxes, my friend. It's only about a third of the taxing total. The other two thirds of tax revenue is collected by the Cantons. Switzerland is technically and officially the "Swiss Confederation".

So what happens when you add up all the taxes as a percentage of GDP, Pete?

It's at about 33% of GDP.

I can do this all day Pete.

[cradleandshoot]

Do you ever take the L after being roundly defeated? EVER!?!? My example is pre-1997.

You said it's "2nd world" to not spend 20%+ of GDP on Government. So, I point you to an example where a country spent considerably less (7.5%) and was quite economically successful at the same time.

You come back: that's not a real country! Also, who owns them today?!?!

Seriously man, it's not embarrassing to once in a blue moon accept defeat.

There isn't a single poster here who admits mistakes more than I. I make them all the time. Admitting that I'm wrong is the easiest thing in the world.


Pete, FFS sake man, who owned Hong Kong for over a hundred and fifty years BEFORE it was handed over to China.

You're pointing to a 154 year old British Colony and trying to sell me that it was an independent, sovereign nation.

Again: did you just sleep through your four years at U of Florida?

+1. If a person can’t say I was wrong or I made a mistake, you can’t trust anything that comes out is their mouth.

There are more than a few posters I know of on this forum that never make mistakes and would never admit it even if they did.

[cradleandshoot]

The best diversity training you can ever engage in is called capitalism. You are forced to hire the best and brightest or your competition eats you alive.

You've said an awful lot of stupid things, Peter, but this one has to rank pretty high on the list.
Capatilism has ruled the land from pretty much day one, no? Why any discussion about diversity in 2020 then?

Capitalism to the extent that it tenuously exists has only existed for maybe 100 years.

There are 18,000,000 millionaires in America. 8% of all millionaires in America are black. There are at least 6 black billionaires. That means that 1,400,000 black people in America are millionaires.

Could you tell the board which system is better for blacks? Do you prefer the agrarian economies of sub-Saharan Africa?

^^^^ This is what they teach in a Florida University???

… capitalism has existed, fully formed since the 17th century - ie., about 1650. Its roots go back two hundred years before that. BLACKS WERE TRADED COMMODITIES UNDER CAPITALISM. Capitalism is not an American invention.

Wait. One one hand you keep telling us we are already a socialist paradise and a little more socialism wouldn't be felt, on the other you say we are a greedy capitalist thunderdome. Which is it?

… "we" aren't a paradise, socialist or any other kind. meanwhile before you tried to move the goalpost - lets explore why you think capitalism has only existed for 100 years or so, while everyone with anything between their ears, but air, knows this is total bullsh!t.

I'd like to explore two things first:

what should the maximum gross (federal, stae, and local) income tax rate be for any one human being, regardless of income?

do you think a political party that attracts grown men in pink tutus who scream incoherently at police is a party that we should respect?

Answer one or the other, but preferably both...I always prefer to know ahead of time the substance of anyone I debate.

... I know your substance, it is obvious and no question is needed to ascertain it.

Your non-answer is all I needed. Thanks.

(by the way for anyone playing at home, the quickest way to ascertain the true intelligence of anyone from the Left you care to debate, simply ask the one fundamental question I did above which cuts through all of the extraneous noise: 'what's the maximum gross income tax rate (federal, state, and local) that any one taxpayer should be forced to pay?' Their answer is revealing of all else they hold dear to their hearts and mind; as you decipher their answer, what they're actually saying is they'd be content to take ___% from you)

You have delayed, moved the goal post and obfuscated, and it hasn't worked.

Your quality, your substance is clear for everyone to see. You have none!

I will admit however, I am dying to know what on earth possesses you to think you can peddle your bullsh!t here and think you won't be called on it.

It could be the same phenomena that allows you to peddle your bullchit here and then whine and cry when you get called on it.

You started counted them polar bears yet? They really need your help.

[Peter Brown]

The best diversity training you can ever engage in is called capitalism. You are forced to hire the best and brightest or your competition eats you alive.

You've said an awful lot of stupid things, Peter, but this one has to rank pretty high on the list.
Capatilism has ruled the land from pretty much day one, no? Why any discussion about diversity in 2020 then?

Capitalism to the extent that it tenuously exists has only existed for maybe 100 years.

There are 18,000,000 millionaires in America. 8% of all millionaires in America are black. There are at least 6 black billionaires. That means that 1,400,000 black people in America are millionaires.

Could you tell the board which system is better for blacks? Do you prefer the agrarian economies of sub-Saharan Africa?

^^^^ This is what they teach in a Florida University???

… capitalism has existed, fully formed since the 17th century - ie., about 1650. Its roots go back two hundred years before that. BLACKS WERE TRADED COMMODITIES UNDER CAPITALISM. Capitalism is not an American invention.

Wait. One one hand you keep telling us we are already a socialist paradise and a little more socialism wouldn't be felt, on the other you say we are a greedy capitalist thunderdome. Which is it?

… "we" aren't a paradise, socialist or any other kind. meanwhile before you tried to move the goalpost - lets explore why you think capitalism has only existed for 100 years or so, while everyone with anything between their ears, but air, knows this is total bullsh!t.

I'd like to explore two things first:

what should the maximum gross (federal, stae, and local) income tax rate be for any one human being, regardless of income?

do you think a political party that attracts grown men in pink tutus who scream incoherently at police is a party that we should respect?

Answer one or the other, but preferably both...I always prefer to know ahead of time the substance of anyone I debate.

... I know your substance, it is obvious and no question is needed to ascertain it.

Your non-answer is all I needed. Thanks.

(by the way for anyone playing at home, the quickest way to ascertain the true intelligence of anyone from the Left you care to debate, simply ask the one fundamental question I did above which cuts through all of the extraneous noise: 'what's the maximum gross income tax rate (federal, state, and local) that any one taxpayer should be forced to pay?' Their answer is revealing of all else they hold dear to their hearts and mind; as you decipher their answer, what they're actually saying is they'd be content to take ___% from you)

You have delayed, moved the goal post and obfuscated, and it hasn't worked.

Your quality, your substance is clear for everyone to see. You have none!

I will admit however, I am dying to know what on earth possesses you to think you can peddle your bullsh!t here and think you won't be called on it.

It could be the same phenomena that allows you to peddle your bullchit here and then whine and cry when you get called on it.

You started counted them polar bears yet? They really need your help.

It's endlessly fascinating to me.

[jhu72]

Also Switzerland spends 10% on average of its GDP on government. They owned by the UK too?

https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/switze ... ment_size/

Pete, Switzerland's national taxes are lower than their Canton taxes (think: States, like in America)

So that 10% is just the Federal taxes, my friend. It's only about a third of the taxing total. The other two thirds of tax revenue is collected by the Cantons. Switzerland is technically and officially the "Swiss Confederation".

So what happens when you add up all the taxes as a percentage of GDP, Pete?

It's at about 33% of GDP.

I can do this all day Pete.

… no, your kidding right. Pete and his mental midgets are wrong again?


Pete, 6ft, Tech, C&S, ... You have to admit that they are cute, especially little C&S.

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[Peter Brown]

Also Switzerland spends 10% on average of its GDP on government. They owned by the UK too?

https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/switze ... ment_size/

Pete, Switzerland's national taxes are lower than their Canton taxes (think: States, like in America)

So that 10% is just the Federal taxes, my friend. It's only about a third of the taxing total. The other two thirds of tax revenue is collected by the Cantons. Switzerland is technically and officially the "Swiss Confederation".

So what happens when you add up all the taxes as a percentage of GDP, Pete?

It's at about 33% of GDP.

I can do this all day Pete.

… no, your kidding right. Pete and his mental midgets are wrong again?


Pete, 6ft, Tech, C&S, ... You have to admit that they are cute, especially little C&S.

a fan wears people down with his maniacal defense of the indefensible, which of course you applaud like a seal clapping for a handout.

I did not reply because it's useless. I could point out the complexity of the Swiss tax code, a country I have no doubt almost no one here has ever dealt with to the extent of understanding their tax structure. You can google and try to learn what a 'swiss fiscal deal permit' is, should you be inquisitive enough. You should, so you understand why your seal approval clap is clownish rather than impressive.

[jhu72]

Also Switzerland spends 10% on average of its GDP on government. They owned by the UK too?

https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/switze ... ment_size/

Pete, Switzerland's national taxes are lower than their Canton taxes (think: States, like in America)

So that 10% is just the Federal taxes, my friend. It's only about a third of the taxing total. The other two thirds of tax revenue is collected by the Cantons. Switzerland is technically and officially the "Swiss Confederation".

So what happens when you add up all the taxes as a percentage of GDP, Pete?

It's at about 33% of GDP.

I can do this all day Pete.

… no, your kidding right. Pete and his mental midgets are wrong again?


Pete, 6ft, Tech, C&S, ... You have to admit that they are cute, especially little C&S.

a fan wears people down with his maniacal defense of the indefensible, which of course you applaud like a seal clapping for a handout.

I did not reply because it's useless. I could point out the complexity of the Swiss tax code, a country I have no doubt almost no one here has ever dealt with to the extent of understanding their tax structure. You can google and try to learn what a 'swiss fiscal deal permit' is, should you be inquisitive enough. You should, so you understand why your seal approval clap is clownish rather than impressive.

More BULLSH!T. Come on Petey, you can do better than this... the complexity of the tax code ….

I would remind you I pointed out the Canton tax before a fan did … about 6 hours before.

[Peter Brown]

Also Switzerland spends 10% on average of its GDP on government. They owned by the UK too?

https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/switze ... ment_size/

Pete, Switzerland's national taxes are lower than their Canton taxes (think: States, like in America)

So that 10% is just the Federal taxes, my friend. It's only about a third of the taxing total. The other two thirds of tax revenue is collected by the Cantons. Switzerland is technically and officially the "Swiss Confederation".

So what happens when you add up all the taxes as a percentage of GDP, Pete?

It's at about 33% of GDP.

I can do this all day Pete.

… no, your kidding right. Pete and his mental midgets are wrong again?

Pete, 6ft, Tech, C&S, ... You have to admit that they are cute, especially little C&S.

a fan wears people down with his maniacal defense of the indefensible, which of course you applaud like a seal clapping for a handout.

I did not reply because it's useless. I could point out the complexity of the Swiss tax code, a country I have no doubt almost no one here has ever dealt with to the extent of understanding their tax structure. You can google and try to learn what a 'swiss fiscal deal permit' is, should you be inquisitive enough. You should, so you understand why your seal approval clap is clownish rather than impressive.

More BULLSH!T. Come on Petey, you can do better than this... the complexity of the tax code ….

I would remind you I pointed out the Canton tax before a fan did.

So you are now an expert on the Swiss tax code? Could you let us know what a fiscal deal permit is, then?

Waiting with bated breath...

[jhu72]

Also Switzerland spends 10% on average of its GDP on government. They owned by the UK too?

https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/switze ... ment_size/

Pete, Switzerland's national taxes are lower than their Canton taxes (think: States, like in America)

So that 10% is just the Federal taxes, my friend. It's only about a third of the taxing total. The other two thirds of tax revenue is collected by the Cantons. Switzerland is technically and officially the "Swiss Confederation".

So what happens when you add up all the taxes as a percentage of GDP, Pete?

It's at about 33% of GDP.

I can do this all day Pete.

… no, your kidding right. Pete and his mental midgets are wrong again?

Pete, 6ft, Tech, C&S, ... You have to admit that they are cute, especially little C&S.

a fan wears people down with his maniacal defense of the indefensible, which of course you applaud like a seal clapping for a handout.

I did not reply because it's useless. I could point out the complexity of the Swiss tax code, a country I have no doubt almost no one here has ever dealt with to the extent of understanding their tax structure. You can google and try to learn what a 'swiss fiscal deal permit' is, should you be inquisitive enough. You should, so you understand why your seal approval clap is clownish rather than impressive.

More BULLSH!T. Come on Petey, you can do better than this... the complexity of the tax code ….

I would remind you I pointed out the Canton tax before a fan did.

So you are now an expert on the Swiss tax code? Could you let us know what a fiscal deal permit is, then?

Waiting with bated breath...

Good ole Pete … Wrong Wrong Wrong, so try to move the goal posts. Always the same.

[ChairmanOfTheBoard]

Also Switzerland spends 10% on average of its GDP on government. They owned by the UK too?

https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/switze ... ment_size/

Pete, Switzerland's national taxes are lower than their Canton taxes (think: States, like in America)

So that 10% is just the Federal taxes, my friend. It's only about a third of the taxing total. The other two thirds of tax revenue is collected by the Cantons. Switzerland is technically and officially the "Swiss Confederation".

So what happens when you add up all the taxes as a percentage of GDP, Pete?

It's at about 33% of GDP.

I can do this all day Pete.

whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa

if aFan is doing this all day, who is making the hooch???

[cradleandshoot]

Also Switzerland spends 10% on average of its GDP on government. They owned by the UK too?

https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/switze ... ment_size/

Pete, Switzerland's national taxes are lower than their Canton taxes (think: States, like in America)

So that 10% is just the Federal taxes, my friend. It's only about a third of the taxing total. The other two thirds of tax revenue is collected by the Cantons. Switzerland is technically and officially the "Swiss Confederation".

So what happens when you add up all the taxes as a percentage of GDP, Pete?

It's at about 33% of GDP.

I can do this all day Pete.

… no, your kidding right. Pete and his mental midgets are wrong again?


Pete, 6ft, Tech, C&S, ... You have to admit that they are cute, especially little C&S.

Pete and his mental midgets.jpg

Come on 72, you ain't gots no time to be posting here. Your suppose to be out there counting polar bears.

[a fan]

Also Switzerland spends 10% on average of its GDP on government. They owned by the UK too?

https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/switze ... ment_size/

Pete, Switzerland's national taxes are lower than their Canton taxes (think: States, like in America)

So that 10% is just the Federal taxes, my friend. It's only about a third of the taxing total. The other two thirds of tax revenue is collected by the Cantons. Switzerland is technically and officially the "Swiss Confederation".

So what happens when you add up all the taxes as a percentage of GDP, Pete?

It's at about 33% of GDP.

I can do this all day Pete.

… no, your kidding right. Pete and his mental midgets are wrong again?


Pete, 6ft, Tech, C&S, ... You have to admit that they are cute, especially little C&S.

a fan wears people down with his maniacal defense of the indefensible

Translation: I use math. Mind numbingly simple math.

You take the total tax revenue. You take the GDP. You calculate the total percentage.

And you're here claiming this is "indefensible". Pete: please tell me that you're not in charge of the books at your firm.

did not reply because it's useless. I could point out the complexity of the Swiss tax code

Irrelevant. No matter how complex, at the end you are sitting with X dollars in Swiss and Canton coffers after tax is collected.

a country I have no doubt almost no one here has ever dealt with to the extent of understanding their tax structure.

Wrong again. Lived in Basel for a month with a classmate from brewing school. Among other assets, they owned several banks. His father explained to me, in plain English, how their system of taxation worked.

You can google and try to learn what a 'swiss fiscal deal permit' is, should you be inquisitive enough. You should, so you understand why your seal approval clap is clownish rather than impressive.

Totally irrelevant, and I find it hilarious that you think that's relevant.

The two questions are:

-how much tax collected in a fiscal year is sitting in government coffers at the end of a fiscal year, and
-what was the total GDP in all of Switzerland

That's it.

But sure, let's follow the Pete Model, and move total US taxation to 10%. We couldn't even afford public education on that, let alone the military that we have.

So long as the budget is balanced, I'm on board. Frankly, I'd love to see U of Florida shuttered. And all those State owned hospitals down your way. The Private Hospitals, too, because they're entirely bankrolled by Medicare.

Whatever works. Let's make Pete happy!

[a fan]

Also Switzerland spends 10% on average of its GDP on government. They owned by the UK too?

https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/switze ... ment_size/

Pete, Switzerland's national taxes are lower than their Canton taxes (think: States, like in America)

So that 10% is just the Federal taxes, my friend. It's only about a third of the taxing total. The other two thirds of tax revenue is collected by the Cantons. Switzerland is technically and officially the "Swiss Confederation".

So what happens when you add up all the taxes as a percentage of GDP, Pete?

It's at about 33% of GDP.

I can do this all day Pete.

whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa

if aFan is doing this all day, who is making the hooch???

Why do you think I'm posting all the time? Pot stills are simple things. You're working when you fill it, and when you empty them. In between? You're on the metaphorical porch, chewing on a barley stalk, and whittling.

We're good, Blue Eyes!

[ChairmanOfTheBoard]

phew.

was worried there for a moment you had the inmates running the place.

PS we finished a bottle of summer gin last week

[Peter Brown]

Also Switzerland spends 10% on average of its GDP on government. They owned by the UK too?

https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/switze ... ment_size/

Pete, Switzerland's national taxes are lower than their Canton taxes (think: States, like in America)

So that 10% is just the Federal taxes, my friend. It's only about a third of the taxing total. The other two thirds of tax revenue is collected by the Cantons. Switzerland is technically and officially the "Swiss Confederation".

So what happens when you add up all the taxes as a percentage of GDP, Pete?

It's at about 33% of GDP.

I can do this all day Pete.

… no, your kidding right. Pete and his mental midgets are wrong again?


Pete, 6ft, Tech, C&S, ... You have to admit that they are cute, especially little C&S.

a fan wears people down with his maniacal defense of the indefensible

Translation: I use math. Mind numbingly simple math.

You take the total tax revenue. You take the GDP. You calculate the total percentage.

And you're here claiming this is "indefensible". Pete: please tell me that you're not in charge of the books at your firm.

did not reply because it's useless. I could point out the complexity of the Swiss tax code

Irrelevant. No matter how complex, at the end you are sitting with X dollars in Swiss and Canton coffers after tax is collected.

a country I have no doubt almost no one here has ever dealt with to the extent of understanding their tax structure.

Wrong again. Lived in Basel for a month with a classmate from brewing school. Among other assets, they owned several banks. His father explained to me, in plain English, how their system of taxation worked.

You can google and try to learn what a 'swiss fiscal deal permit' is, should you be inquisitive enough. You should, so you understand why your seal approval clap is clownish rather than impressive.

Totally irrelevant, and I find it hilarious that you think that's relevant.

The two questions are:

-how much tax collected in a fiscal year is sitting in government coffers at the end of a fiscal year, and
-what was the total GDP in all of Switzerland

That's it.

But sure, let's follow the Pete Model, and move total US taxation to 10%. We couldn't even afford public education on that, let alone the military that we have.

So long as the budget is balanced, I'm on board. Frankly, I'd love to see U of Florida shuttered. And all those State owned hospitals down your way. The Private Hospitals, too, because they're entirely bankrolled by Medicare.

Whatever works. Let's make Pete happy!

I appreciate that...though I am always skeptical when someone wishes me well without asking for anything in return.

[cradleandshoot]

Also Switzerland spends 10% on average of its GDP on government. They owned by the UK too?

https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/switze ... ment_size/

Pete, Switzerland's national taxes are lower than their Canton taxes (think: States, like in America)

So that 10% is just the Federal taxes, my friend. It's only about a third of the taxing total. The other two thirds of tax revenue is collected by the Cantons. Switzerland is technically and officially the "Swiss Confederation".

So what happens when you add up all the taxes as a percentage of GDP, Pete?

It's at about 33% of GDP.

I can do this all day Pete.

… no, your kidding right. Pete and his mental midgets are wrong again?


Pete, 6ft, Tech, C&S, ... You have to admit that they are cute, especially little C&S.

a fan wears people down with his maniacal defense of the indefensible

Translation: I use math. Mind numbingly simple math.

You take the total tax revenue. You take the GDP. You calculate the total percentage.

And you're here claiming this is "indefensible". Pete: please tell me that you're not in charge of the books at your firm.

did not reply because it's useless. I could point out the complexity of the Swiss tax code

Irrelevant. No matter how complex, at the end you are sitting with X dollars in Swiss and Canton coffers after tax is collected.

a country I have no doubt almost no one here has ever dealt with to the extent of understanding their tax structure.

Wrong again. Lived in Basel for a month with a classmate from brewing school. Among other assets, they owned several banks. His father explained to me, in plain English, how their system of taxation worked.

You can google and try to learn what a 'swiss fiscal deal permit' is, should you be inquisitive enough. You should, so you understand why your seal approval clap is clownish rather than impressive.

Totally irrelevant, and I find it hilarious that you think that's relevant.

The two questions are:

-how much tax collected in a fiscal year is sitting in government coffers at the end of a fiscal year, and
-what was the total GDP in all of Switzerland

That's it.

But sure, let's follow the Pete Model, and move total US taxation to 10%. We couldn't even afford public education on that, let alone the military that we have.

So long as the budget is balanced, I'm on board. Frankly, I'd love to see U of Florida shuttered. And all those State owned hospitals down your way. The Private Hospitals, too, because they're entirely bankrolled by Medicare.

Whatever works. Let's make Pete happy!

a Fan, maybe you can use your simple math to help me out here. This conversation is revolving around a very small nation of a little under 9 million people with almost no unemployment. The comparison to the US, population 320 million people with massive unemployment and mind boggling debt and expenses. How can a fair comparison be made between these 2 countries when it comes to taxation? I can see why a much lower tax rate would work in Switzerland than it ever possibly could in the US. How much of their GDP to the Swiss spend on national defense?

[a fan]

a Fan, maybe you can use your simple math to help me out here. This conversation is revolving around a very small nation of a little under 9 million people with almost no unemployment. The comparison to the US, population 320 million people with massive unemployment and mind boggling debt and expenses. How can a fair comparison be made between these 2 countries when it comes to taxation?

Pete brought up Switzerland, not I.

But Pete's nonsense answer that the total government spending as a percentage of GDP should be no more than 10% is laughable.

Florida's 2019 State Budget was $90 Billion.
Florida's 2019 GDP was $950 Billion.

That means total government spending as a percentage of GDP is about 9%.

So that means that in order for Pete to get his wish, Florida would have to go it alone. In other words, Florida would have to not accept one single penny from the Federal government for things like Medicare, Education, Medicaid, and Defense.

Does that sound feasible to you? Florida is going to provide its own nuclear defense using its current budget? Or heck, buy and maintain one single fighter jet?

I can see why a much lower tax rate would work in Switzerland than it ever possibly could in the US.

As can I. But nowhere near the 10% Pete is claiming.

[cradleandshoot]

a Fan, maybe you can use your simple math to help me out here. This conversation is revolving around a very small nation of a little under 9 million people with almost no unemployment. The comparison to the US, population 320 million people with massive unemployment and mind boggling debt and expenses. How can a fair comparison be made between these 2 countries when it comes to taxation?

Pete brought up Switzerland, not I.

But Pete's nonsense answer that the total government spending as a percentage of GDP should be no more than 10% is laughable.

Florida's 2019 State Budget was $90 Billion.
Florida's 2019 GDP was $950 Billion.

That means total government spending as a percentage of GDP is about 9%.

So that means that in order for Pete to get his wish, Florida would have to go it alone. In other words, Florida would have to not accept one single penny from the Federal government for things like Medicare, Education, Medicaid, and Defense.

Does that sound feasible to you? Florida is going to provide its own nuclear defense using its current budget? Or heck, buy and maintain one single fighter jet?

I can see why a much lower tax rate would work in Switzerland than it ever possibly could in the US.

As can I. But nowhere near the 10% Pete is claiming.

I hear ya, the conversation between you two was just not making sense to me. If we could balance our budget ( never gonna happen in my lifetime) then lower tax rates would make sense. There is a very fine line between taxes that are too high and taxes that are too low. You can't spend like our country has been doing and not pay for it.