All things Chinese CoronaVirus

[Typical Lax Dad]

I use cloth, honestly figured it was ok. Have one DMac would be proud of - totally Tie Dye. Tying the back is a pain in the a**. Is cloth meaningfully worse than the "regular" ones? Haven't looked closely enough at this.

Buy some N95 or KN95 masks if you can. It’s better protection. I have been buying them and sending them to friends and family. Sending a bunch to my sister. She just went back to work last week.

Been thinking about it, even if honestly just to have the ear hooks/rings. Had been back and forth between upstate NY and Atlanta so much from March through June that I just used what I had (made for me), but being here more regularly and starting to take some meetings and business interactions in person occasionally I need to tighten my s**t up.

BTW, the YMCA lake camp (Lake Burton) that got hit is the sister one to the one (Lake Lanier) I was going to send my son to for his first sleepover camp. They cancelled the Lanier one just like two weeks ago when a counselor tested positive at ours. He would've been there this week. Camp's plan was to test 1-2 days prior to attendance roughly up until mid-late June.

Ok. Stay safe. Best to wear the best protection possible if in a confined setting.

[ggait]

Fauci and the Surgeon General were initially wrong on masks and other aspects of COVID-19. Like the experts and scientists they are, they did what Trump is clearly incapable of doing ... they learned from their mistakes.

This is the key.

Lots of mistakes were made. I was strafing Fauci and the SG on their stupid mask position like crazy back in March. But mistakes are unavoidable when dealing with a new, dynamic situation. And their biff on masks did have a point to it -- conserving medical grade equipment for medical workers.

But like what normal people do, they learned, moved on, and did better.

What is different, and inexcuse-able, is to be wilfully blind to data and experience. And to refuse to learn ("I can't hear you. I can't hear you.").

Because the only forking thing in the world you care about is yourself. And getting re-elected so you can stay out of jail.

[cradleandshoot]

I remember going to school in the middle of Smallpox, Measles, Chickenpox, Mumps The Flu and POLIO. Pre-vaccine

A 1952 survey found that Americans feared only nuclear annihilation more than polio.

And schools were open.

ps: Thank God for that evil white privileged racist Jona Salk.

But you didn't have media and manipulated stats to scare you.

The Left's entire thesis is predicated on hoping more people die. Great look!

Another in a long series of stupid things you have had to say. You take up a lot of room on these boards; I sure wish you had something interesting or thought-provoking to say.

The "left" doesn't want more people to die (and of course it is offensive to say that, and to inevitably generalize this way); the "left" would like to see the federal government lead a little, follow and advance the science. Science warned against reopening prematurely, and it appears that science was right. Science indicated that masks were a very good idea; the President signaled daily that they were unnecessary. The "left's" message here has been coextensive with the science; the diversion from the Executive Branch's message is because the science isn't conducting an "at all costs" reelection campaign.

Science "may or may not be" (that's debatable) but liberal democrats and their MSM megaphones certainly are. Can't trust any of them.

Science (Faucci) is saying OPEN the schools

Science (Faucci, The Surgeon General, CDC, WHO et al) initially indicated masks were a bad idea.

Trump, who neither respects science nor the experts, has driven the United States into an unparalleled disaster. You really want to follow that moron on school openings? Risk my child’s life on that? Seriously, screw you.

Fauci and the Surgeon General were initially wrong on masks and other aspects of COVID-19. Like the experts and scientists they are, they did what Trump is clearly incapable of doing ... they learned from their mistakes.

Trump is a mortal threat to the American people. Just ask the 137,000 dead.

DocBarrister

Fauci and the Surgeon general where dealing with a scarce resource issue. People confuse that with Fauci not knowing if a mask was helpful. Conflation.

BS and you know it. Certainly there was a shortage of PPE, but there was never a shortage of cloth for a make-shift face covering.

Why do you think they didn’t recommend cloth?

You have all the answers....you tell us?

It’s not my answer. It’s Fauci’s. I don’t have any skin in the game:

1. When the coronavirus pandemic hit stateside, face masks were strictly recommended as personal protective equipment (PPE) for health care professionals. According to Anthony Fauci, the nation's leading infectious disease expert and a key member of the White House coronavirus task force, masks weren't advised to the public from the start because of the anticipated PPE shortages.


2. “We now know from recent studies that a significant portion of individuals with coronavirus lack symptoms (‘asymptomatic’) and that even those who eventually develop symptoms (‘pre-symptomatic’) can transmit the virus to others before showing symptoms,” the CDC said in its announcement. “In light of this new evidence, CDC recommends wearing cloth face coverings in public settings where other social distancing measures are difficult to maintain (e.g., grocery stores and pharmacies) especially in areas of significant community-based transmission.”


3. Cloth masks have been determined to be better than nothing but don’t “prevent the spread”.

I use N95 or a cloth mask with a HEPA filter insert. Hopefully it helps.

This is accurate above.

However, where I think the public health people got it wrong was in not urging people to wear cloth masks early on. They could and should have explained to the public that N95's etc needed to be reserved for those on the front lines, but the rest of us could at least help slow transmission by wearing a cloth mask, made at home if necessary. Countries which had previously had respiratory illness spread immediately adopted masks, indeed I have recounted how in Hong Kong, where the populace does not really trust the government, when the government was downplaying the virus (but they knew people in wuhan) everyone put on a mask...

But a key factor to asking Americans to do so was the shortage of high quality masks...this should have been nationalized immediately, with all the major retailers and manufacturers immediately directed to get the products off their shelves and sent to a national distribution center, production ramped up immediately.

The big retailers would have and the rest of industry would have immediately surged production of lesser quality, inexpensive masks (as they've now done) for the general populace, and more and more higher quality masks would have been designed and produced in turn. Eventually replacing the lower quality.

We can only speculate, at this point, what the discussions were behind closed doors with Trump, the political types and order takers on the Task Force and the doctors, like Fauci and Birx and Redfield. Fauci has exhibited the most independence of the bunch, so is particularly castigated in his role of downplaying masks early on. Did he know that the Task force and Trump would refuse to nationalize PPE distribution and production? Same for testing and testing supplies. (which is what they continue to refuse to do even now) Did they decide that they simply couldn't afford panic usage of high quality masks, desperately needed by the medical workers? Or did they underestimate the airborne transmission dynamics, at least initially?

In any case, the public health folks, including Fauci, began pushing mask wearing way, way ahead of Trump's willingness to concede that maybe some people should wear masks, if not himself. For months he was mocking those wearing masks, politicizing it all...definitely not because he was listening to Fauci!

I find myself using my disposable mask for way too long. As per my wifes orders it stays in my car inside the paper bag. When I use my bandanas I always launder them everyday and have a clean one with me everyday. The fact I think they look really cool with my Buffalo Bills cap is a plus.

[MDlaxfan76]

I remember going to school in the middle of Smallpox, Measles, Chickenpox, Mumps The Flu and POLIO. Pre-vaccine

A 1952 survey found that Americans feared only nuclear annihilation more than polio.

And schools were open.

ps: Thank God for that evil white privileged racist Jona Salk.

But you didn't have media and manipulated stats to scare you.

The Left's entire thesis is predicated on hoping more people die. Great look!

Another in a long series of stupid things you have had to say. You take up a lot of room on these boards; I sure wish you had something interesting or thought-provoking to say.

The "left" doesn't want more people to die (and of course it is offensive to say that, and to inevitably generalize this way); the "left" would like to see the federal government lead a little, follow and advance the science. Science warned against reopening prematurely, and it appears that science was right. Science indicated that masks were a very good idea; the President signaled daily that they were unnecessary. The "left's" message here has been coextensive with the science; the diversion from the Executive Branch's message is because the science isn't conducting an "at all costs" reelection campaign.

Science "may or may not be" (that's debatable) but liberal democrats and their MSM megaphones certainly are. Can't trust any of them.

Science (Faucci) is saying OPEN the schools

Science (Faucci, The Surgeon General, CDC, WHO et al) initially indicated masks were a bad idea.

Trump, who neither respects science nor the experts, has driven the United States into an unparalleled disaster. You really want to follow that moron on school openings? Risk my child’s life on that? Seriously, screw you.

Fauci and the Surgeon General were initially wrong on masks and other aspects of COVID-19. Like the experts and scientists they are, they did what Trump is clearly incapable of doing ... they learned from their mistakes.

Trump is a mortal threat to the American people. Just ask the 137,000 dead.

DocBarrister

Fauci and the Surgeon general where dealing with a scarce resource issue. People confuse that with Fauci not knowing if a mask was helpful. Conflation.

BS and you know it. Certainly there was a shortage of PPE, but there was never a shortage of cloth for a make-shift face covering.

Why do you think they didn’t recommend cloth?

You have all the answers....you tell us?

It’s not my answer. It’s Fauci’s. I don’t have any skin in the game:

1. When the coronavirus pandemic hit stateside, face masks were strictly recommended as personal protective equipment (PPE) for health care professionals. According to Anthony Fauci, the nation's leading infectious disease expert and a key member of the White House coronavirus task force, masks weren't advised to the public from the start because of the anticipated PPE shortages.


2. “We now know from recent studies that a significant portion of individuals with coronavirus lack symptoms (‘asymptomatic’) and that even those who eventually develop symptoms (‘pre-symptomatic’) can transmit the virus to others before showing symptoms,” the CDC said in its announcement. “In light of this new evidence, CDC recommends wearing cloth face coverings in public settings where other social distancing measures are difficult to maintain (e.g., grocery stores and pharmacies) especially in areas of significant community-based transmission.”


3. Cloth masks have been determined to be better than nothing but don’t “prevent the spread”.

I use N95 or a cloth mask with a HEPA filter insert. Hopefully it helps.

This is accurate above.

However, where I think the public health people got it wrong was in not urging people to wear cloth masks early on. They could and should have explained to the public that N95's etc needed to be reserved for those on the front lines, but the rest of us could at least help slow transmission by wearing a cloth mask, made at home if necessary. Countries which had previously had respiratory illness spread immediately adopted masks, indeed I have recounted how in Hong Kong, where the populace does not really trust the government, when the government was downplaying the virus (but they knew people in wuhan) everyone put on a mask...

But a key factor to asking Americans to do so was the shortage of high quality masks...this should have been nationalized immediately, with all the major retailers and manufacturers immediately directed to get the products off their shelves and sent to a national distribution center, production ramped up immediately.

The big retailers would have and the rest of industry would have immediately surged production of lesser quality, inexpensive masks (as they've now done) for the general populace, and more and more higher quality masks would have been designed and produced in turn. Eventually replacing the lower quality.

We can only speculate, at this point, what the discussions were behind closed doors with Trump, the political types and order takers on the Task Force and the doctors, like Fauci and Birx and Redfield. Fauci has exhibited the most independence of the bunch, so is particularly castigated in his role of downplaying masks early on. Did he know that the Task force and Trump would refuse to nationalize PPE distribution and production? Same for testing and testing supplies. (which is what they continue to refuse to do even now) Did they decide that they simply couldn't afford panic usage of high quality masks, desperately needed by the medical workers? Or did they underestimate the airborne transmission dynamics, at least initially?

In any case, the public health folks, including Fauci, began pushing mask wearing way, way ahead of Trump's willingness to concede that maybe some people should wear masks, if not himself. For months he was mocking those wearing masks, politicizing it all...definitely not because he was listening to Fauci!

I find myself using my disposable mask for way too long. As per my wifes orders it stays in my car inside the paper bag. When I use my bandanas I always launder them everyday and have a clean one with me everyday. The fact I think they look really cool with my Buffalo Bills cap is a plus.

Big plus if it makes the Bills cap look good...

[ggait]

I find myself using my disposable mask for way too long. As per my wifes orders it stays in my car inside the paper bag. When I use my bandanas I always launder them everyday and have a clean one with me everyday.

You can re-use the disposable masks if you rotate several of them. Covid can only last on surfaces for 72 hours. So take four and put each in its own paper bag. Label the bags A/B/C/D. You wear A today and then put it away in its bag when done. Wear B, C and D next. By the time you wear A again (on Friday) it will be good to go.

Many health care workers rotate 7 -- each paper bag is labeled with a different day of the week. Easy to keep straight.

[CU77]

Let's check in again to see how the Trump/DeSantis/PeterBrown plan is working out in the Sunshine State:

Officials in Miami spoke in alarming terms about the novel coronavirus outbreak on Monday, as Florida reported another record-high average of new infections over the past week.

“Miami is now the epicenter of the pandemic,” said Lilian Abbo, an infectious-disease specialist from the University of Miami Health System. “What we were seeing in Wuhan six months ago, now we’re there.” Miami Mayor Francis Suarez (R) told “Good Morning America” that “there is no doubt that our death rate is going to go up after the next week or two,” a day after the state shattered the single-day infection record for any state with 15,300 new cases.

Deaths trended upward over the weekend in a majority of states, including many beyond the hard-hit Sun Belt. Five states — Arizona, California, Florida, Mississippi and Texas — broke records for average daily fatalities in that period.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... pdates-us/

[SCLaxAttack]

Let's check in again to see how the Trump/DeSantis/PeterBrown plan is working out in the Sunshine State:

Officials in Miami spoke in alarming terms about the novel coronavirus outbreak on Monday, as Florida reported another record-high average of new infections over the past week.

“Miami is now the epicenter of the pandemic,” said Lilian Abbo, an infectious-disease specialist from the University of Miami Health System. “What we were seeing in Wuhan six months ago, now we’re there.” Miami Mayor Francis Suarez (R) told “Good Morning America” that “there is no doubt that our death rate is going to go up after the next week or two,” a day after the state shattered the single-day infection record for any state with 15,300 new cases.

Deaths trended upward over the weekend in a majority of states, including many beyond the hard-hit Sun Belt. Five states — Arizona, California, Florida, Mississippi and Texas — broke records for average daily fatalities in that period.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... pdates-us/

I'm so glad Abbo mentioned Wuhan; after all the Kung flu is all China's fault. How can you expect a state government to investigate other state governments' successes and failures over a four-five month period and come up with a viable plan, or expect the federal government to step in and provide consistency?

Never mind on that federal government comment. I forgot that days after the CDC came up with their guidelines for states to use before opening up, or fearless leader did tell his minions to "Liberate [insert state name here]."

[Peter Brown]

Let's check in again to see how the Trump/DeSantis/PeterBrown plan is working out in the Sunshine State:

Officials in Miami spoke in alarming terms about the novel coronavirus outbreak on Monday, as Florida reported another record-high average of new infections over the past week.

“Miami is now the epicenter of the pandemic,” said Lilian Abbo, an infectious-disease specialist from the University of Miami Health System. “What we were seeing in Wuhan six months ago, now we’re there.” Miami Mayor Francis Suarez (R) told “Good Morning America” that “there is no doubt that our death rate is going to go up after the next week or two,” a day after the state shattered the single-day infection record for any state with 15,300 new cases.

Deaths trended upward over the weekend in a majority of states, including many beyond the hard-hit Sun Belt. Five states — Arizona, California, Florida, Mississippi and Texas — broke records for average daily fatalities in that period.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... pdates-us/

And after a week of nightmare headlines about Florida, and about 70,000 new cases (aka positive tests), hospitals have a grand total of 130 more patients (~2.5%) in ICU beds statewide than last Sunday. Can’t make it up. 45 deaths Sunday, in a state with 20 million people.


If you keep praying for more deaths, perhaps they'll come.

[wgdsr]

interesting article. no real answers or conclusions, but i continue to have a feeling that'll be the case for a while with this virus:
https://theconversation.com/coronavirus ... ted-141584

[Typical Lax Dad]

interesting article. no real answers or conclusions, but i continue to have a feeling that'll be the case for a while with this virus:
https://theconversation.com/coronavirus ... ted-141584

I had read this article. Let’s hope we get lucky.

[Typical Lax Dad]

These are things that I never would have reopened for inside activities. Opening bars and restaurants in particular is senseless. Those are luxuries.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronaviru ... 1594628843

[wgdsr]

interesting article. no real answers or conclusions, but i continue to have a feeling that'll be the case for a while with this virus:
https://theconversation.com/coronavirus ... ted-141584

I had read this article. Let’s hope we get lucky.

just saw this one this morning and wasn't able to go through much of it. it comes from what looks like a very right leaning blog and looks to have many of the conservative talking points (now that this virus is firmly political, of course)... but also a lot of science or opinions, reasoning and data from scientists linked to it for why theories of "HIT" could be at low levels, especially with a coronavirus.
https://off-guardian.org/2020/07/07/sec ... ven-close/

i'll have a lot of ammo that i'll pass along as fact and conclusion soon enough!!! any luck will help!

"i'd rather be lucky than good any day."
- lefty gomez
- charlie waters

[Typical Lax Dad]

interesting article. no real answers or conclusions, but i continue to have a feeling that'll be the case for a while with this virus:
https://theconversation.com/coronavirus ... ted-141584

I had read this article. Let’s hope we get lucky.

just saw this one this morning and wasn't able to go through much of it. it comes from what looks like a very right leaning blog and looks to have many of the conservative talking points (now that this virus is firmly political, of course)... but also a lot of science or opinions, reasoning and data from scientists linked to it for why theories of "HIT" could be at low levels, especially with a coronavirus.
https://off-guardian.org/2020/07/07/sec ... ven-close/

i'll have a lot of ammo that i'll pass along as fact and conclusion soon enough!!! any luck will help!

"i'd rather be lucky than good any day."
- lefty gomez
- charlie waters

We always need some luck. Penicillin for instance.

[Typical Lax Dad]

[CU77]

If you keep praying for more deaths, perhaps they'll come.

We're not praying for deaths, Pete. We're lamenting the fact that you and your heroes Trump and DeSantis marched us over the cliff that led to these deaths of our fellow Americans. With (sadly but predictably) more to come.

We want to stop Trump and DeSantis from doing it again.

[CU77]

Now Trump is suppressing Fauci from going on tv.

Remember when we were mad that Xi kept Chinese scientists from speaking the truth about Wuhan?

Pretty ironic, isn't it?

[RedFromMI]

Josh Marshall (publisher/editor of TalkingPointsMemo) from Twitter:

This graph remains instructive for understanding the situation in four crisis states. This is daily cases on a per capita basis (cases per 100k residents) for CA, FL, TX and AZ. Arizona appears to be cresting. Situation in FL much worse than TX or CA. Last three all bad trend.

[Peter Brown]

If you keep praying for more deaths, perhaps they'll come.

We're not praying for deaths, Pete. We're lamenting the fact that you and your heroes Trump and DeSantis marched us over the cliff that led to these deaths of our fellow Americans. With (sadly but predictably) more to come.

We want to stop Trump and DeSantis from doing it again.

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[kramerica.inc]

Now Trump is suppressing Fauci from going on tv.

Remember when we were mad that Xi kept Chinese scientists from speaking the truth about Wuhan?

Pretty ironic, isn't it?

Is Fauci going to tell us to use masks now? NOW masks are helpful that they are plentiful!

[ggait]

Let's just keep reminding everyone on here how completely stupid everything Petey posts on here is.

Peter Brown wrote: ↑
Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:26 pm
Cases have been rising for more than 2 weeks while deaths continue to decrease. Narrative fail.

Democrats upset people aren’t dying (I don’t have a graph for this).

FL 7 day average daily deaths. 6/18 was 30. 6/25 was 38. 7/6 was 48. 7/12 was 72.

The math teachers at UF must totally suck. Because that is an increase, not decrease.

To quote (yet again) my crush Ruth Langmore:

Petey -- why don't you shut your fork nugget mouth and get the hell out of here?

P.S. Say hi to your Democrat wife for us.