2020 Elections - Trump FIRED

[Peter Brown]

argue all you want, 6ft, about the Dems. You're talking to and for a rapidly shrinking part of the electorate.

I'm a registered Republican, have never voted for a D for POTUS before, many times voted a straight GOP ticket, sometimes mixed.

And I, like many millions of others, including some on here, will be crossing over to vote D in November.

The GOP won't get me back until they wash out Trump and Trumpism.

But do so, and then we'll again have a choice as to where we want to lean, conservative or progressive, issue by issue, candidate by candidate, with neither extreme ascendant.

So you're gonna vote to defund the police, eliminate history, expand infanticide, accept violence in the streets, confiscatory taxation and replace capitalism with Marxism.

Gotcha.

Again, that's a lot of hyperbolic nonsense in the short term, not remotely accurate of what would be the case in the Biden administration.

That's just deep, far right OAN, Q-anon sorts of talk. Shrinking, though currently very, very loud part of the population.

However, if one is actually worried about a huge pendulum swing to the left occurring over the next decade or two, then clean out the Trumpist garbage, reorient the GOP to actually compete for the electorate of the future, and compete for the middle of the electorate.

Hyperbolic nonsense is not a long term winning strategy, it's the dying gasp of the dumb and angry.

Let the far left be the ones who alienate the center, instead. But gotta wash out the 'white supremacist, nativist, whining, corrupt, incompetence' first. It's overwhelming.

Nothing hyperbolic regarding that statement

Just telling you how its viewed by the middle of the electorate, tech. Including the folks who are going to cross over and vote for a D, perhaps for the first time ever.

Covid has certainly helped your cause in getting rid of Trump but all of things you so smugly blow off as "hyperbolic nonsense," certainly hurts you cause.

no, the 'hyperbolic nonsense' is the twaddle being fed to you by the right wing media machine.

Of course, like any such 'twaddle', it has elements of truth.
Those truths will ultimately hurt the Dems, not my 'cause'.

I reject the extremes on both ends.
Trumpism relies upon, has doubled, tripled and quadrupled down on the extremes of the hard right.

And coupled that with corruption and incompetence.

Get rid of Trump and Trumpism and compete for the middle and the electorate of the future, not the electorate of the past...all I'm saying.

On COVID, Trump had a perfect opportunity to demonstrate competence and empathy, both from himself and from his Administration.

He flunked miserably. We're ALL paying the price.

That massive 'right wing media machine' MD fears is the three late night opinion shows on Fox.

Notice how he never fears the left wing media machine consisting of NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, WaPo, NYT, and so forth. Why, you might even think MD is full of shinola...

[a fan]

Notice how he never fears the left wing media machine consisting of NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, WaPo, NYT, and so forth. Why, you might even think MD is full of shinola...

Pete thinks America has no middle. Only left and right. Because of course he does. America is the only country in the world with no moderates.

Okie-dokie.

[Peter Brown]

Notice how he never fears the left wing media machine consisting of NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, WaPo, NYT, and so forth. Why, you might even think MD is full of shinola...

Pete thinks America has no middle. Only left and right. Because of course he does. America is the only country in the world with no moderates.

Okie-dokie.

Spell out who's in the middle. When you're on the left, I suspect you think DNC media is middle.

I can give you one, Judy Woodruff; that's all. Did you have more?

[MDlaxfan76]

argue all you want, 6ft, about the Dems. You're talking to and for a rapidly shrinking part of the electorate.

I'm a registered Republican, have never voted for a D for POTUS before, many times voted a straight GOP ticket, sometimes mixed.

And I, like many millions of others, including some on here, will be crossing over to vote D in November.

The GOP won't get me back until they wash out Trump and Trumpism.

But do so, and then we'll again have a choice as to where we want to lean, conservative or progressive, issue by issue, candidate by candidate, with neither extreme ascendant.

So you're gonna vote to defund the police, eliminate history, expand infanticide, accept violence in the streets, confiscatory taxation and replace capitalism with Marxism.

Gotcha.

Again, that's a lot of hyperbolic nonsense in the short term, not remotely accurate of what would be the case in the Biden administration.

That's just deep, far right OAN, Q-anon sorts of talk. Shrinking, though currently very, very loud part of the population.

However, if one is actually worried about a huge pendulum swing to the left occurring over the next decade or two, then clean out the Trumpist garbage, reorient the GOP to actually compete for the electorate of the future, and compete for the middle of the electorate.

Hyperbolic nonsense is not a long term winning strategy, it's the dying gasp of the dumb and angry.

Let the far left be the ones who alienate the center, instead. But gotta wash out the 'white supremacist, nativist, whining, corrupt, incompetence' first. It's overwhelming.

Nothing hyperbolic regarding that statement

Just telling you how its viewed by the middle of the electorate, tech. Including the folks who are going to cross over and vote for a D, perhaps for the first time ever.

Covid has certainly helped your cause in getting rid of Trump but all of things you so smugly blow off as "hyperbolic nonsense," certainly hurts you cause.

no, the 'hyperbolic nonsense' is the twaddle being fed to you by the right wing media machine.

Of course, like any such 'twaddle', it has elements of truth.
Those truths will ultimately hurt the Dems, not my 'cause'.

I reject the extremes on both ends.
Trumpism relies upon, has doubled, tripled and quadrupled down on the extremes of the hard right.

And coupled that with corruption and incompetence.

Get rid of Trump and Trumpism and compete for the middle and the electorate of the future, not the electorate of the past...all I'm saying.

On COVID, Trump had a perfect opportunity to demonstrate competence and empathy, both from himself and from his Administration.

He flunked miserably. We're ALL paying the price.

That massive 'right wing media machine' MD fears is the three late night opinion shows on Fox.

Notice how he never fears the left wing media machine consisting of NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, WaPo, NYT, and so forth. Why, you might even think MD is full of shinola...

And FoxBusiness (it doesn't get much worse than Dobbs), and Fox in the morning, and OAN, and Breitbart, and Rush...want to go on?

I read the WSJ daily, the editorial page has tilted way over to the right in the last decade, though seemingly even more so recently.

As I said, I reject the extremes on both ends of the spectrum.

[cradleandshoot]

Notice how he never fears the left wing media machine consisting of NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, WaPo, NYT, and so forth. Why, you might even think MD is full of shinola...

Pete thinks America has no middle. Only left and right. Because of course he does. America is the only country in the world with no moderates.

Okie-dokie.

I consider myself a part of middle America. I do know one thing, I do not want MD speaking for me as another so called American in the middle. He is entitled to his opinion. I refuse to be lumped in with whatever his version of what middle America thinks. MD can speak for himself all day long. I will never allow him to speak for me. It will be a cold day in hell before a FLP moderate republican speaks for me.

[Farfromgeneva]

This isn't correct. What the left is asking for is a return, ironically, to the 1950's economy in terms of what you call wealth transfer.

We've had this conversation sooo many times before.

Young lefties are basically asking for what my Reagan Democrat father had -- govt guaranteed mortgage via the GI Bill, secure lifetime employment (thanks to his union membership), basically free health care for life, basically free college for himself and his kids, guaranteed retirement from SS and his union pension.

As the lefties correctly claim, all they are really asking for is Ike's GOP platform from 1956. Fact check on that is below.


https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... was-prett/

That doesn't even come close to addressing what I'm saying so, no, what I'm saying hasn't been covered many times before as if I'm some dolt that can't understand reason or heuristics.

But that would require exactly the same conditions and outcomes. That doesn't exist today. Why is this so difficult to understand. A new environment requires different approaches not "turning back the clock". That's not possible.

Mortgages - what multiple of income was it back then? In the 1980s and before home prices were a much lower multiple of the median income.

Lifetime employment - who can tell me how many companies in the top 1000 in revenues from 1970 exist today? I've worked in high yield, land of dying business models due to disruption and innovation. Ever heard of Polaroid and Kodak? A&P was the largest employer per capita in the early 1960s and gonzo. Westinghouse, ITT, Deluxe Corporation (paper checks), etc. UBI and retraining are the only things that can help this.
-Same with pensions. The unions agreed to allow for present value accounting and not fully funded immediately. It's as much their fault, Union's aren't the salve for all workers problems.

College, run up because of a combination of cheap subsidized student loans and their non profit status allowing the largest elite ones to build gross endowments, in fact they can't by law spend more than 10% in a year or lose TE status.

We created this monster by all of our collective actions, we got the government we deserved and now we have this world that exists today. It's like people believe in ceteris paribus. The conditions and environment allowed for that then, it doesn't now, it requires a different prescription. It's undergrad economics at a liberal arts school. I'm far more comfortable with JHU72s concept of a paradigm change, but I don't believe it's even possible to just "swing the pendulum" the other way while maintaining the same system. Have to be thinking about completely heterodox theories, these arguments still rely on orthodox macroeconomic theory. Does this not make sense to any of these smart folks out there?

I guess I'll always be the chinese fingertrap on here. Have argued for retraining, UBI or something along those lines and other "socialist" (to some) efforts. We simply cannot keep doing the same things. I'd really urge everyone to read Antifragile. Government cannot, ever, keep all people from any negative events or adverse outcomes, that's not possible. The more government tries to protect us and solve all of our collective problems, the larger the fractures (and more frequent) they will be. That's not a good outcome.

So when the Dead Kennedys we’re talking about the end of the American Dream in 1979, what did all these folks do in the subsequent 40yrs? When they were talking about JFKs assassination. And then of course they fought bitterly over money and sold their songs to movies later in life.

This is what I expect of current millennials and xennenials. They aren’t smart enough to realize anything. They are rehashing an argument which existed around the time i was born.

Real change if so desires requires true paradigm change not just regime change in effort to go back to the glory days.

https://lithub.com/dead-kennedys-in-the ... francisco/

[Peter Brown]

MDlaxfan76



That massive 'right wing media machine' MD fears is the three late night opinion shows on Fox.

Notice how he never fears the left wing media machine consisting of NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, WaPo, NYT, and so forth. Why, you might even think MD is full of shinola...


And FoxBusiness (it doesn't get much worse than Dobbs), and Fox in the morning, and OAN, and Breitbart, and Rush...want to go on?

I read the WSJ daily, the editorial page has tilted way over to the right in the last decade, though seemingly even more so recently.

As I said, I reject the extremes on both ends of the spectrum.

OAN!?!?!? Does anyone even know where to find that station? The mighty OAN! I live in a red state (unlike most of you) and not once in my life have I even stumbled upon OAN, let alone known where to find it.

Berirbart, to make your point even more comical, is a website....do you know how many left websites exist in the universe?

[CU77]

Ex 2: Defund the Police means DEFUND THE POLICE.—AOC
Already accomplished in Minneapolis and NYC

Really? The police budget in Minneapolis and NYC has been cut to zero? All the police there have been laid off, and are home watching TV? Thought that would have been bigger news …

So you're gonna vote to defund the police, eliminate history, expand infanticide, accept violence in the streets, confiscatory taxation and replace capitalism with Marxism.

Gotcha.

Yep, that's what lifelong Republican MD is gonna do!

And it's not just him. Lifelong hard-core Republican strategists like Rick Wilson are now making ads like this:



And they're not just going after Trump, they're going after all his Republican enablers too:



Plenty more here: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheLincolnProject/videos

So this is what your unwavering support of the criminal Trump has produced: a YUGE nationwide shift to the left that is going to sweep all the Marxist-Leninists into real power.

Congratulations!!! Heckuva job.

[6ftstick]

argue all you want, 6ft, about the Dems. You're talking to and for a rapidly shrinking part of the electorate.

I'm a registered Republican, have never voted for a D for POTUS before, many times voted a straight GOP ticket, sometimes mixed.

And I, like many millions of others, including some on here, will be crossing over to vote D in November.

The GOP won't get me back until they wash out Trump and Trumpism.

But do so, and then we'll again have a choice as to where we want to lean, conservative or progressive, issue by issue, candidate by candidate, with neither extreme ascendant.

So you're gonna vote to defund the police, eliminate history, expand infanticide, accept violence in the streets, confiscatory taxation and replace capitalism with Marxism.

Gotcha.

Again, that's a lot of hyperbolic nonsense in the short term, not remotely accurate of what would be the case in the Biden administration.

That's just deep, far right OAN, Q-anon sorts of talk. Shrinking, though currently very, very loud part of the population.

However, if one is actually worried about a huge pendulum swing to the left occurring over the next decade or two, then clean out the Trumpist garbage, reorient the GOP to actually compete for the electorate of the future, and compete for the middle of the electorate.

Hyperbolic nonsense is not a long term winning strategy, it's the dying gasp of the dumb and angry.

Let the far left be the ones who alienate the center, instead. But gotta wash out the 'white supremacist, nativist, whining, corrupt, incompetence' first. It's overwhelming.

Nothing hyperbolic regarding that statement

Just telling you how its viewed by the middle of the electorate, tech. Including the folks who are going to cross over and vote for a D, perhaps for the first time ever.

Covid has certainly helped your cause in getting rid of Trump but all of things you so smugly blow off as "hyperbolic nonsense," certainly hurts you cause.

no, the 'hyperbolic nonsense' is the twaddle being fed to you by the right wing media machine.

Of course, like any such 'twaddle', it has elements of truth.
Those truths will ultimately hurt the Dems, not my 'cause'.

I reject the extremes on both ends.
Trumpism relies upon, has doubled, tripled and quadrupled down on the extremes of the hard right.

And coupled that with corruption and incompetence.

Get rid of Trump and Trumpism and compete for the middle and the electorate of the future, not the electorate of the past...all I'm saying.

On COVID, Trump had a perfect opportunity to demonstrate competence and empathy, both from himself and from his Administration.

He flunked miserably. We're ALL paying the price.

That massive 'right wing media machine' MD fears is the three late night opinion shows on Fox.

Notice how he never fears the left wing media machine consisting of NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, WaPo, NYT, and so forth. Why, you might even think MD is full of shinola...

And FoxBusiness (it doesn't get much worse than Dobbs), and Fox in the morning, and OAN, and Breitbart, and Rush...want to go on?

I read the WSJ daily, the editorial page has tilted way over to the right in the last decade, though seemingly even more so recently.

As I said, I reject the extremes on both ends of the spectrum.

Some more hyperbole for ya there in your bubble.

https://ktrh.iheart.com/featured/michae ... rsonality/

[MDlaxfan76]

Notice how he never fears the left wing media machine consisting of NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, WaPo, NYT, and so forth. Why, you might even think MD is full of shinola...

Pete thinks America has no middle. Only left and right. Because of course he does. America is the only country in the world with no moderates.

Okie-dokie.

I consider myself a part of middle America. I do know one thing, I do not want MD speaking for me as another so called American in the middle. He is entitled to his opinion. I refuse to be lumped in with whatever his version of what middle America thinks. MD can speak for himself all day long. I will never allow him to speak for me. It will be a cold day in hell before a FLP moderate republican speaks for me.

And I certainly would not deign to speak for you, cradle.
You have no worries there.

And sure, you're certainly "a part of middle America".

But as I explained in an earlier post, I was referring to the middle of the electorate, not necessarily "middle class" or somewhere in the heartland, or some other construct.

I meant in terms of the moderate conservative and moderate liberal voters who occupy the 'middle' of the political spectrum.

These voters may be more or less to the right or the left on any given issue, they are certainly not all identical in their views, but they do share in common a repulsion from the extreme. Their sentiments and political views move with the times, but they rarely jump hard over night. The "rapid" shift in views on gay marriage being an example of the fastest sort of such shift, and that took a full decade or more.

They tend to want the work of government to get done efficiently and competently, with as little interference in their personal lives as can be done while recognizing that government nevertheless has an important role to play. They tend to not like corruption and dishonesty.

They recognize that they won't get everything they want all the time, but they do participate with an expectation it's their civic duty to do so. They respect the need to sometimes compromise in order to move forward.

Moderate.

These are the voters which Trump is losing and/or has failed to ever attract. Corruption and incompetence, and a tone of extreme divisiveness turns them off. They're both disgusted and exhausted by it.

So, Trump is left primarily with those who have drunk the hard right Kool-aid, those who fear the demographic realities of the next decades, those who fear that they are no longer able to compete in the world with the advantages of having been born white and American since 1945, better yet a white male American since '45.

It's a hard base, but it's a shrinking one.

Want to compete for those moderates again from a conservative perspective?
Gotta dump Trump and Trumpism and find a new, conservative path forward that embraces diversity, values competence, expects integrity.

It's possible. But the current Trumpist GOP is drowning in the meantime.

Of course, just one man's opinion.

[Typical Lax Dad]

This isn't correct. What the left is asking for is a return, ironically, to the 1950's economy in terms of what you call wealth transfer.

We've had this conversation sooo many times before.

Young lefties are basically asking for what my Reagan Democrat father had -- govt guaranteed mortgage via the GI Bill, secure lifetime employment (thanks to his union membership), basically free health care for life, basically free college for himself and his kids, guaranteed retirement from SS and his union pension.

As the lefties correctly claim, all they are really asking for is Ike's GOP platform from 1956. Fact check on that is below.


https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... was-prett/

That doesn't even come close to addressing what I'm saying so, no, what I'm saying hasn't been covered many times before as if I'm some dolt that can't understand reason or heuristics.

But that would require exactly the same conditions and outcomes. That doesn't exist today. Why is this so difficult to understand. A new environment requires different approaches not "turning back the clock". That's not possible.

Mortgages - what multiple of income was it back then? In the 1980s and before home prices were a much lower multiple of the median income.

Lifetime employment - who can tell me how many companies in the top 1000 in revenues from 1970 exist today? I've worked in high yield, land of dying business models due to disruption and innovation. Ever heard of Polaroid and Kodak? A&P was the largest employer per capita in the early 1960s and gonzo. Westinghouse, ITT, Deluxe Corporation (paper checks), etc. UBI and retraining are the only things that can help this.
-Same with pensions. The unions agreed to allow for present value accounting and not fully funded immediately. It's as much their fault, Union's aren't the salve for all workers problems.

College, run up because of a combination of cheap subsidized student loans and their non profit status allowing the largest elite ones to build gross endowments, in fact they can't by law spend more than 10% in a year or lose TE status.

We created this monster by all of our collective actions, we got the government we deserved and now we have this world that exists today. It's like people believe in ceteris paribus. The conditions and environment allowed for that then, it doesn't now, it requires a different prescription. It's undergrad economics at a liberal arts school. I'm far more comfortable with JHU72s concept of a paradigm change, but I don't believe it's even possible to just "swing the pendulum" the other way while maintaining the same system. Have to be thinking about completely heterodox theories, these arguments still rely on orthodox macroeconomic theory. Does this not make sense to any of these smart folks out there?

I guess I'll always be the chinese fingertrap on here. Have argued for retraining, UBI or something along those lines and other "socialist" (to some) efforts. We simply cannot keep doing the same things. I'd really urge everyone to read Antifragile. Government cannot, ever, keep all people from any negative events or adverse outcomes, that's not possible. The more government tries to protect us and solve all of our collective problems, the larger the fractures (and more frequent) they will be. That's not a good outcome.

So when the Dead Kennedys we’re talking about the end of the American Dream in 1979, what did all these folks do in the subsequent 40yrs? When they were talking about JFKs assassination. And then of course they fought bitterly over money and sold their songs to movies later in life.

This is what I expect of current millennials and xennenials. They aren’t smart enough to realize anything. They are rehashing an argument which existed around the time i was born.

Real change if so desires requires true paradigm change not just regime change in effort to go back to the glory days.

https://lithub.com/dead-kennedys-in-the ... francisco/

You know I was just thinking about pensions. I worked at a company for 7 years and earned a Pension. It’s going to be at least enough to cover property taxes. It’s enough to make a difference. I chuckle every time I see it on my retirement statement. It’s like found money. My guess is the NPV of the stream is probably $300k. Not bad for such a short amount of time. About 4 months after I left, the plan was closed out.

[Peter Brown]

Some more hyperbole for ya there in your bubble.

https://ktrh.iheart.com/featured/michae ... rsonality/

Amazing and great find. A college TA. I wish I could say 'unreal' but we know all too well how prevalent this mindset is now on campuses and nationwide. It is a Democratic Party cancer.

Oh also, convicted terrorist Susan Rosenberg sits on the Board of Directors for the fundraising arm of Black Lives Matter. She was convicted for the 1983 bombing of the United States Capitol Building, the U.S. Naval War College and the New York Patrolmen's Benevolent Association. These are the kinds of people MD says not to worry about.

[6ftstick]

Some more hyperbole for ya there in your bubble.

https://ktrh.iheart.com/featured/michae ... rsonality/

Amazing and great find. A college TA. I wish I could say 'unreal' but we know all too well how prevalent this mindset is now on campuses and nationwide. It is a Democratic Party cancer.

Oh also, convicted terrorist Susan Rosenberg sits on the Board of Directors for the fundraising arm of Black Lives Matter. She was convicted for the 1983 bombing of the United States Capitol Building, the U.S. Naval War College and the New York Patrolmen's Benevolent Association. These are the kinds of people MD says not to worry about.

And they're funneling virtue signal donations extorted from fortune 100 companies running scared. MILLONS

[MDlaxfan76]

argue all you want, 6ft, about the Dems. You're talking to and for a rapidly shrinking part of the electorate.

I'm a registered Republican, have never voted for a D for POTUS before, many times voted a straight GOP ticket, sometimes mixed.

And I, like many millions of others, including some on here, will be crossing over to vote D in November.

The GOP won't get me back until they wash out Trump and Trumpism.

But do so, and then we'll again have a choice as to where we want to lean, conservative or progressive, issue by issue, candidate by candidate, with neither extreme ascendant.

So you're gonna vote to defund the police, eliminate history, expand infanticide, accept violence in the streets, confiscatory taxation and replace capitalism with Marxism.

Gotcha.

Again, that's a lot of hyperbolic nonsense in the short term, not remotely accurate of what would be the case in the Biden administration.

That's just deep, far right OAN, Q-anon sorts of talk. Shrinking, though currently very, very loud part of the population.

However, if one is actually worried about a huge pendulum swing to the left occurring over the next decade or two, then clean out the Trumpist garbage, reorient the GOP to actually compete for the electorate of the future, and compete for the middle of the electorate.

Hyperbolic nonsense is not a long term winning strategy, it's the dying gasp of the dumb and angry.

Let the far left be the ones who alienate the center, instead. But gotta wash out the 'white supremacist, nativist, whining, corrupt, incompetence' first. It's overwhelming.

Nothing hyperbolic regarding that statement

Just telling you how its viewed by the middle of the electorate, tech. Including the folks who are going to cross over and vote for a D, perhaps for the first time ever.

Covid has certainly helped your cause in getting rid of Trump but all of things you so smugly blow off as "hyperbolic nonsense," certainly hurts you cause.

no, the 'hyperbolic nonsense' is the twaddle being fed to you by the right wing media machine.

Of course, like any such 'twaddle', it has elements of truth.
Those truths will ultimately hurt the Dems, not my 'cause'.

I reject the extremes on both ends.
Trumpism relies upon, has doubled, tripled and quadrupled down on the extremes of the hard right.

And coupled that with corruption and incompetence.

Get rid of Trump and Trumpism and compete for the middle and the electorate of the future, not the electorate of the past...all I'm saying.

On COVID, Trump had a perfect opportunity to demonstrate competence and empathy, both from himself and from his Administration.

He flunked miserably. We're ALL paying the price.

That massive 'right wing media machine' MD fears is the three late night opinion shows on Fox.

Notice how he never fears the left wing media machine consisting of NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, WaPo, NYT, and so forth. Why, you might even think MD is full of shinola...

And FoxBusiness (it doesn't get much worse than Dobbs), and Fox in the morning, and OAN, and Breitbart, and Rush...want to go on?

I read the WSJ daily, the editorial page has tilted way over to the right in the last decade, though seemingly even more so recently.

As I said, I reject the extremes on both ends of the spectrum.

Some more hyperbole for ya there in your bubble.

https://ktrh.iheart.com/featured/michae ... rsonality/

yup, this is exactly the sort of thing should get rejected by us all.
Or is it 'cancel culture' to say so?

[CU77]

the Dead Kennedys

Oh man I was a huge DKs fan! Saw them multiple times at the Mab in 78 and 79 when I was in grad school at Stanford. Jello Biafra had an electric stage presence. And the Mab was SMALL, you couldn't be more than a few feet from the stage ...

[6ftstick]

the Dead Kennedys

Oh man I was a huge DKs fan! Saw them multiple times at the Mab in 78 and 79 when I was in grad school at Stanford. Jello Biafra had an electric stage presence. And the Mab was SMALL, you couldn't be more than a few feet from the stage ...

Did you hear all Ivies cancelled all fall sports.

[Farfromgeneva]

This isn't correct. What the left is asking for is a return, ironically, to the 1950's economy in terms of what you call wealth transfer.

We've had this conversation sooo many times before.

Young lefties are basically asking for what my Reagan Democrat father had -- govt guaranteed mortgage via the GI Bill, secure lifetime employment (thanks to his union membership), basically free health care for life, basically free college for himself and his kids, guaranteed retirement from SS and his union pension.

As the lefties correctly claim, all they are really asking for is Ike's GOP platform from 1956. Fact check on that is below.


https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... was-prett/

That doesn't even come close to addressing what I'm saying so, no, what I'm saying hasn't been covered many times before as if I'm some dolt that can't understand reason or heuristics.

But that would require exactly the same conditions and outcomes. That doesn't exist today. Why is this so difficult to understand. A new environment requires different approaches not "turning back the clock". That's not possible.

Mortgages - what multiple of income was it back then? In the 1980s and before home prices were a much lower multiple of the median income.

Lifetime employment - who can tell me how many companies in the top 1000 in revenues from 1970 exist today? I've worked in high yield, land of dying business models due to disruption and innovation. Ever heard of Polaroid and Kodak? A&P was the largest employer per capita in the early 1960s and gonzo. Westinghouse, ITT, Deluxe Corporation (paper checks), etc. UBI and retraining are the only things that can help this.
-Same with pensions. The unions agreed to allow for present value accounting and not fully funded immediately. It's as much their fault, Union's aren't the salve for all workers problems.

College, run up because of a combination of cheap subsidized student loans and their non profit status allowing the largest elite ones to build gross endowments, in fact they can't by law spend more than 10% in a year or lose TE status.

We created this monster by all of our collective actions, we got the government we deserved and now we have this world that exists today. It's like people believe in ceteris paribus. The conditions and environment allowed for that then, it doesn't now, it requires a different prescription. It's undergrad economics at a liberal arts school. I'm far more comfortable with JHU72s concept of a paradigm change, but I don't believe it's even possible to just "swing the pendulum" the other way while maintaining the same system. Have to be thinking about completely heterodox theories, these arguments still rely on orthodox macroeconomic theory. Does this not make sense to any of these smart folks out there?

I guess I'll always be the chinese fingertrap on here. Have argued for retraining, UBI or something along those lines and other "socialist" (to some) efforts. We simply cannot keep doing the same things. I'd really urge everyone to read Antifragile. Government cannot, ever, keep all people from any negative events or adverse outcomes, that's not possible. The more government tries to protect us and solve all of our collective problems, the larger the fractures (and more frequent) they will be. That's not a good outcome.

So when the Dead Kennedys we’re talking about the end of the American Dream in 1979, what did all these folks do in the subsequent 40yrs? When they were talking about JFKs assassination. And then of course they fought bitterly over money and sold their songs to movies later in life.

This is what I expect of current millennials and xennenials. They aren’t smart enough to realize anything. They are rehashing an argument which existed around the time i was born.

Real change if so desires requires true paradigm change not just regime change in effort to go back to the glory days.

https://lithub.com/dead-kennedys-in-the ... francisco/

You know I was just thinking about pensions. I worked at a company for 7 years and earned a Pension. It’s going to be at least enough to cover property taxes. It’s enough to make a difference. I chuckle every time I see it on my retirement statement. It’s like found money. My guess is the NPV of the stream is probably $300k. Not bad for such a short amount of time. About 4 months after I left, the plan was closed out.

Even Commerzbank dropped theirs a number of years ago, and that was a fat one you got for getting to five years of service. They definitely can't afford it now...I miss their healthcare contribution though, they had this stupid cadillac plan for all front office workers (bankers and traders) at day one.

[Farfromgeneva]

the Dead Kennedys

Oh man I was a huge DKs fan! Saw them multiple times at the Mab in 78 and 79 when I was in grad school at Stanford. Jello Biafra had an electric stage presence. And the Mab was SMALL, you couldn't be more than a few feet from the stage ...

Figured I catch you with that one. And I loved their message, but even they sold out and fought each other in court over royalty money. Supposedly Jello pulled the same move that the producer for NWA did with Ice Cube and Dre a decade later (Jerry something).

Ever see Sid Vicious live? That was one crazy cat.

But I still think Cornell's best contribution to music is the 1977 Dead live Dick's Picks album...

[CU77]

Did you hear all Ivies cancelled all fall sports.

Good thing I don't care about Ivy fall sports …

I'm much more worried about Akron soccer. Akron is my hometown, and the UofA has a great soccer team, national champs in 2010 and national runner-up (to Maryland) in 2018 … I was at the final four both times ...

[CU77]

Figured I catch you with that one. And I loved their message, but even they sold out and fought each other in court over royalty money.

"Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you got til it's gone"

Showing my musical range here ...