Race in America - Riots Explode in Chicago

[Peter Brown]

One could make the argument that burning the flag is the most Patriotic thing a US citizen can do.

What other single action better demonstrates everything that makes this country great?

just saying.....

I understand your point, but there’s a logical fallacy you need to overlook to embrace it: supporting the right to be an arsehole doesn’t mean you need to embrace the arsehole. American flag burners actually hate the freedoms of America that permit their arseholery.

Oh yeah I forgot, they’re all Democrats, which we are wise to think over.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Maybe they could rename it Washington & King? Because, womanizing (and possible abuse) aside, the historical past only matters when it's a white guy.

https://theconversation.com/im-an-mlk-s ... ght-118015

You mean like Thomas Jefferson, who repeatedly raped his teenaged slave?

DocBarrister

The nature of Sally Hemings’s sexual encounters with Thomas Jefferson will never be known except to a Fanlax poster called DocBarrister. Thankfully we have it on good authority what actually occurred from Doc.

… certainly if the interaction / the beginning of the relation took place today, Doc's description would be 100% dead on from a legal perspective. In the late 1700s early 1800s, I don't know but kind of doubt it was considered rape. Can you rape your own property?? Could you rape a negress??

'certain'....

Why are Democrats always so 'certain' of themselves when they're by far the least knowledgeable people in every room? What a disconnect of authenticity and humility.

We now add JHU72 to the list of those with certain intimate knowledge of dead people's relationships, all the nuances, complexities, impenatrables, intricacies, and tortuous history. I marvel at their wisdom to know precisely the nature of two person's life history from the early 1800's!!

Said by the resident troll who is “certain” that anyone disagreeing with him is a democrat and judges people’s personal qualities by their weight and facial hair.

Go away.

Were you trying to add anything substantive to the discussion of who-knows-what with respect to Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemmings? Are you also one of those who states without hesitation what occurred between two people in the early 1800's?

How do you know the story wasn’t passed down through the family?

[CU77]

Tech CEO apologizes for racist tirade against Asian American family caught on video

For a few moments after the camera began recording, the white man smirked silently in his seat at an upscale California restaurant. Then, he gave the family at the next table the middle finger and unleashed an anti-Asian tirade.

“Trump’s going to f--- you,” he said, adding that the family “need to leave” and calling one of them an “Asian piece of s---.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... -tech-ceo/

[Peter Brown]

Maybe they could rename it Washington & King? Because, womanizing (and possible abuse) aside, the historical past only matters when it's a white guy.

https://theconversation.com/im-an-mlk-s ... ght-118015

You mean like Thomas Jefferson, who repeatedly raped his teenaged slave?

DocBarrister

The nature of Sally Hemings’s sexual encounters with Thomas Jefferson will never be known except to a Fanlax poster called DocBarrister. Thankfully we have it on good authority what actually occurred from Doc.

… certainly if the interaction / the beginning of the relation took place today, Doc's description would be 100% dead on from a legal perspective. In the late 1700s early 1800s, I don't know but kind of doubt it was considered rape. Can you rape your own property?? Could you rape a negress??

'certain'....

Why are Democrats always so 'certain' of themselves when they're by far the least knowledgeable people in every room? What a disconnect of authenticity and humility.

We now add JHU72 to the list of those with certain intimate knowledge of dead people's relationships, all the nuances, complexities, impenatrables, intricacies, and tortuous history. I marvel at their wisdom to know precisely the nature of two person's life history from the early 1800's!!

Said by the resident troll who is “certain” that anyone disagreeing with him is a democrat and judges people’s personal qualities by their weight and facial hair.

Go away.

Were you trying to add anything substantive to the discussion of who-knows-what with respect to Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemmings? Are you also one of those who states without hesitation what occurred between two people in the early 1800's?

How do you know the story wasn’t passed down through the family?

Is all family folklore now a perfectly accurate retelling of history?

[cradleandshoot]

Could have ended this thread a lot sooner......BTW

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/ ... kaepernick

No pressure on dissenters:

I have no understanding of his position on the flag. But there are a lot of people that agree with him. I have known a lot of people who thought/think burning the flag already is against the law....

On the Hill drama, obviously she was not harmed in any way by Trump's temper tantrum. She said "mean things about him"; he said "mean things about her" and her career took off. Sounds familiar... It is almost like Trump is getting together with all these people and saying - "let's get into a public fight and tie a rocket to your career"....

Well, it was, except SCOTUS already ruled it to be political speech and thus protected. Of course, that was that SCOTUS, and with another 4 years of appointments?

I understand your view that Trump's attempt did not actually silence Kaep, but it sure as heck was intimidating to many others, right?

Yes, Trump has a 'right' to his own speech, but if we don't recognize the enormous power vested in the Executive and pretend that it's not on the path of 'wrongthink' when POTUS takes a position and riles up 80 million, including the wing nuts, the 'brown shirts'...

Come on MD, you are better than that - I suspect the reason you are making this specific argument is because you don't agree with what Trump was saying. Neither do I. But I will defend to the end his right to say them. It isn't free speech if it isn't free for everyone. As the SCOTUS has ruled - the line is drawn at endangerment. But let's not paint that caveat with too broad a brush or the 1st Amendment becomes pointless.

And specifically to the point of the power of the office - that is the entire point is it not? Elections have consequences and all that.... (and ftr - I agreed with Obama when he said it)

You are correct that I didn't agree with Trump , but I don't agree that his speech does not have differential power to intimidate relative to a non-POTUS's speech.

I am not suggesting that Trump has less legal right to to speak. That's a legal matter.

But the discussion was about 'wrongthink' and specifically the attempts to muzzle speech, dissent in specific...with the power of governmental authority behind that effort.

The danger is not the speech, but the authority behind it. I believe that was the discussion at hand when invoking 1984.

Again, Trump just proposed that flag burning have a 10 year sentence (SCOTUS be damned). Taking a knee?

And in the meantime, his 80 million followers are an enormous hammer...successfully kept Kaep off the field and intimidated scores of others.

Now, that's boomeranging around, but there remains the threat of the nut jobs.
Yes, Trump has a right to speak, but let's not kid ourselves about the differential in power.
And thus responsibility.

And, yes, elections do have consequences.
Elect someone who understands the responsibility that goes with the power.

"Elect someone who understands the responsibility that goes with the power."

You honestly believe that such a person from either party still exists in 2020? I find it hard to believe MD that you could actually believe the words you just composed. With great power comes great responsibility. That is the kind of nonsense you will only find in Spiderman comic books my friend.

[cradleandshoot]

Maybe they could rename it Washington & King? Because, womanizing (and possible abuse) aside, the historical past only matters when it's a white guy.

https://theconversation.com/im-an-mlk-s ... ght-118015

You mean like Thomas Jefferson, who repeatedly raped his teenaged slave?

DocBarrister

The nature of Sally Hemings’s sexual encounters with Thomas Jefferson will never be known except to a Fanlax poster called DocBarrister. Thankfully we have it on good authority what actually occurred from Doc.

… certainly if the interaction / the beginning of the relation took place today, Doc's description would be 100% dead on from a legal perspective. In the late 1700s early 1800s, I don't know but kind of doubt it was considered rape. Can you rape your own property?? Could you rape a negress??

'certain'....

Why are Democrats always so 'certain' of themselves when they're by far the least knowledgeable people in every room? What a disconnect of authenticity and humility.

We now add JHU72 to the list of those with certain intimate knowledge of dead people's relationships, all the nuances, complexities, impenatrables, intricacies, and tortuous history. I marvel at their wisdom to know precisely the nature of two person's life history from the early 1800's!!

Said by the resident troll who is “certain” that anyone disagreeing with him is a democrat and judges people’s personal qualities by their weight and facial hair.

Go away.

Were you trying to add anything substantive to the discussion of who-knows-what with respect to Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemmings? Are you also one of those who states without hesitation what occurred between two people in the early 1800's?

How do you know the story wasn’t passed down through the family?

Well duhhhh, all you have to do is check her facebook account. Everything she said she verified.

[SCLaxAttack]

Maybe they could rename it Washington & King? Because, womanizing (and possible abuse) aside, the historical past only matters when it's a white guy.

https://theconversation.com/im-an-mlk-s ... ght-118015

You mean like Thomas Jefferson, who repeatedly raped his teenaged slave?

DocBarrister

The nature of Sally Hemings’s sexual encounters with Thomas Jefferson will never be known except to a Fanlax poster called DocBarrister. Thankfully we have it on good authority what actually occurred from Doc.

… certainly if the interaction / the beginning of the relation took place today, Doc's description would be 100% dead on from a legal perspective. In the late 1700s early 1800s, I don't know but kind of doubt it was considered rape. Can you rape your own property?? Could you rape a negress??

'certain'....

Why are Democrats always so 'certain' of themselves when they're by far the least knowledgeable people in every room? What a disconnect of authenticity and humility.

We now add JHU72 to the list of those with certain intimate knowledge of dead people's relationships, all the nuances, complexities, impenatrables, intricacies, and tortuous history. I marvel at their wisdom to know precisely the nature of two person's life history from the early 1800's!!

Said by the resident troll who is “certain” that anyone disagreeing with him is a democrat and judges people’s personal qualities by their weight and facial hair.

Go away.

Were you trying to add anything substantive to the discussion of who-knows-what with respect to Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemmings? Are you also one of those who states without hesitation what occurred between two people in the early 1800's?

You asking if someone is adding something substantive to a conversation..... Precious.

You’re so shallow you don’t even recognize when someone calls you out for the hypocrite you are.

I’m guessing you’re a fat guy with a mustache. Go back under your bridge.

[Peter Brown]

Maybe they could rename it Washington & King? Because, womanizing (and possible abuse) aside, the historical past only matters when it's a white guy.

https://theconversation.com/im-an-mlk-s ... ght-118015

You mean like Thomas Jefferson, who repeatedly raped his teenaged slave?

DocBarrister

The nature of Sally Hemings’s sexual encounters with Thomas Jefferson will never be known except to a Fanlax poster called DocBarrister. Thankfully we have it on good authority what actually occurred from Doc.

… certainly if the interaction / the beginning of the relation took place today, Doc's description would be 100% dead on from a legal perspective. In the late 1700s early 1800s, I don't know but kind of doubt it was considered rape. Can you rape your own property?? Could you rape a negress??

'certain'....

Why are Democrats always so 'certain' of themselves when they're by far the least knowledgeable people in every room? What a disconnect of authenticity and humility.

We now add JHU72 to the list of those with certain intimate knowledge of dead people's relationships, all the nuances, complexities, impenatrables, intricacies, and tortuous history. I marvel at their wisdom to know precisely the nature of two person's life history from the early 1800's!!

Said by the resident troll who is “certain” that anyone disagreeing with him is a democrat and judges people’s personal qualities by their weight and facial hair.

Go away.

Were you trying to add anything substantive to the discussion of who-knows-what with respect to Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemmings? Are you also one of those who states without hesitation what occurred between two people in the early 1800's?

How do you know the story wasn’t passed down through the family?

Well duhhhh, all you have to do is check her facebook account. Everything she said she verified.

This was a better way to respond.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Maybe they could rename it Washington & King? Because, womanizing (and possible abuse) aside, the historical past only matters when it's a white guy.

https://theconversation.com/im-an-mlk-s ... ght-118015

You mean like Thomas Jefferson, who repeatedly raped his teenaged slave?

DocBarrister

The nature of Sally Hemings’s sexual encounters with Thomas Jefferson will never be known except to a Fanlax poster called DocBarrister. Thankfully we have it on good authority what actually occurred from Doc.

… certainly if the interaction / the beginning of the relation took place today, Doc's description would be 100% dead on from a legal perspective. In the late 1700s early 1800s, I don't know but kind of doubt it was considered rape. Can you rape your own property?? Could you rape a negress??

'certain'....

Why are Democrats always so 'certain' of themselves when they're by far the least knowledgeable people in every room? What a disconnect of authenticity and humility.

We now add JHU72 to the list of those with certain intimate knowledge of dead people's relationships, all the nuances, complexities, impenatrables, intricacies, and tortuous history. I marvel at their wisdom to know precisely the nature of two person's life history from the early 1800's!!

Said by the resident troll who is “certain” that anyone disagreeing with him is a democrat and judges people’s personal qualities by their weight and facial hair.

Go away.

Were you trying to add anything substantive to the discussion of who-knows-what with respect to Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemmings? Are you also one of those who states without hesitation what occurred between two people in the early 1800's?

How do you know the story wasn’t passed down through the family?

Well duhhhh, all you have to do is check her facebook account. Everything she said she verified.

She posted pictures on Facebook?

[Typical Lax Dad]

Maybe they could rename it Washington & King? Because, womanizing (and possible abuse) aside, the historical past only matters when it's a white guy.

https://theconversation.com/im-an-mlk-s ... ght-118015

You mean like Thomas Jefferson, who repeatedly raped his teenaged slave?

DocBarrister

The nature of Sally Hemings’s sexual encounters with Thomas Jefferson will never be known except to a Fanlax poster called DocBarrister. Thankfully we have it on good authority what actually occurred from Doc.

… certainly if the interaction / the beginning of the relation took place today, Doc's description would be 100% dead on from a legal perspective. In the late 1700s early 1800s, I don't know but kind of doubt it was considered rape. Can you rape your own property?? Could you rape a negress??

'certain'....

Why are Democrats always so 'certain' of themselves when they're by far the least knowledgeable people in every room? What a disconnect of authenticity and humility.

We now add JHU72 to the list of those with certain intimate knowledge of dead people's relationships, all the nuances, complexities, impenatrables, intricacies, and tortuous history. I marvel at their wisdom to know precisely the nature of two person's life history from the early 1800's!!

Said by the resident troll who is “certain” that anyone disagreeing with him is a democrat and judges people’s personal qualities by their weight and facial hair.

Go away.

Were you trying to add anything substantive to the discussion of who-knows-what with respect to Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemmings? Are you also one of those who states without hesitation what occurred between two people in the early 1800's?

How do you know the story wasn’t passed down through the family?

Is all family folklore now a perfectly accurate retelling of history?

Who said all?

[Peter Brown]

Maybe they could rename it Washington & King? Because, womanizing (and possible abuse) aside, the historical past only matters when it's a white guy.

https://theconversation.com/im-an-mlk-s ... ght-118015

You mean like Thomas Jefferson, who repeatedly raped his teenaged slave?

DocBarrister

The nature of Sally Hemings’s sexual encounters with Thomas Jefferson will never be known except to a Fanlax poster called DocBarrister. Thankfully we have it on good authority what actually occurred from Doc.

… certainly if the interaction / the beginning of the relation took place today, Doc's description would be 100% dead on from a legal perspective. In the late 1700s early 1800s, I don't know but kind of doubt it was considered rape. Can you rape your own property?? Could you rape a negress??

'certain'....

Why are Democrats always so 'certain' of themselves when they're by far the least knowledgeable people in every room? What a disconnect of authenticity and humility.

We now add JHU72 to the list of those with certain intimate knowledge of dead people's relationships, all the nuances, complexities, impenatrables, intricacies, and tortuous history. I marvel at their wisdom to know precisely the nature of two person's life history from the early 1800's!!

Said by the resident troll who is “certain” that anyone disagreeing with him is a democrat and judges people’s personal qualities by their weight and facial hair.

Go away.

Were you trying to add anything substantive to the discussion of who-knows-what with respect to Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemmings? Are you also one of those who states without hesitation what occurred between two people in the early 1800's?

You asking if someone is adding something substantive to a conversation..... Precious.

You’re so shallow you don’t even recognize when someone calls you out for the hypocrite you are.

I’m guessing you’re a fat guy with a mustache. Go back under your bridge.

‘...knows EXACTLY what happened 200 years ago between two people’.

[HooDat]

How do you know the story wasn’t passed down through the family?

Is all family folklore now a perfectly accurate retelling of history?

Well it was the Hemmings family folklore that made the FACT of Jefferson paternity the "worst kept secret" in the state of Virginia. It was a "secret" that anyone in the state paying attention to had known even 200 years later. The fact that it took DNA evidence to finally shut up the deniers is another matter. But, since the DNA proved the family claim, I am guessing that the family folklore is probably worth listening to.

I have not read what the family is saying today about the relationship between Hemmings and Jefferson. But the story that I consistently heard was that the relationship was consensual and perhaps even love based - to the extent that consensual could exist between two people occupying their particular stations in life at the time. And even more to the extent that love could truly occupy that space in that context....

[jhu72]

Maybe they could rename it Washington & King? Because, womanizing (and possible abuse) aside, the historical past only matters when it's a white guy.

https://theconversation.com/im-an-mlk-s ... ght-118015

You mean like Thomas Jefferson, who repeatedly raped his teenaged slave?

DocBarrister

The nature of Sally Hemings’s sexual encounters with Thomas Jefferson will never be known except to a Fanlax poster called DocBarrister. Thankfully we have it on good authority what actually occurred from Doc.

… certainly if the interaction / the beginning of the relation took place today, Doc's description would be 100% dead on from a legal perspective. In the late 1700s early 1800s, I don't know but kind of doubt it was considered rape. Can you rape your own property?? Could you rape a negress??

'certain'....

Why are Democrats always so 'certain' of themselves when they're by far the least knowledgeable people in every room? What a disconnect of authenticity and humility.

We now add JHU72 to the list of those with certain intimate knowledge of dead people's relationships, all the nuances, complexities, impenatrables, intricacies, and tortuous history. I marvel at their wisdom to know precisely the nature of two person's life history from the early 1800's!!

Said by the resident troll who is “certain” that anyone disagreeing with him is a democrat and judges people’s personal qualities by their weight and facial hair.

Go away.

Were you trying to add anything substantive to the discussion of who-knows-what with respect to Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemmings? Are you also one of those who states without hesitation what occurred between two people in the early 1800's?

How do you know the story wasn’t passed down through the family?

Well duhhhh, all you have to do is check her facebook account. Everything she said she verified.

She posted pictures on Facebook?

Jesus I was drinking a Spite when I read this. It burns.

[Peter Brown]

Maybe they could rename it Washington & King? Because, womanizing (and possible abuse) aside, the historical past only matters when it's a white guy.

https://theconversation.com/im-an-mlk-s ... ght-118015

You mean like Thomas Jefferson, who repeatedly raped his teenaged slave?

DocBarrister

The nature of Sally Hemings’s sexual encounters with Thomas Jefferson will never be known except to a Fanlax poster called DocBarrister. Thankfully we have it on good authority what actually occurred from Doc.

… certainly if the interaction / the beginning of the relation took place today, Doc's description would be 100% dead on from a legal perspective. In the late 1700s early 1800s, I don't know but kind of doubt it was considered rape. Can you rape your own property?? Could you rape a negress??

'certain'....

Why are Democrats always so 'certain' of themselves when they're by far the least knowledgeable people in every room? What a disconnect of authenticity and humility.

We now add JHU72 to the list of those with certain intimate knowledge of dead people's relationships, all the nuances, complexities, impenatrables, intricacies, and tortuous history. I marvel at their wisdom to know precisely the nature of two person's life history from the early 1800's!!

Said by the resident troll who is “certain” that anyone disagreeing with him is a democrat and judges people’s personal qualities by their weight and facial hair.

Go away.

Were you trying to add anything substantive to the discussion of who-knows-what with respect to Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemmings? Are you also one of those who states without hesitation what occurred between two people in the early 1800's?

How do you know the story wasn’t passed down through the family?

Is all family folklore now a perfectly accurate retelling of history?

Who said all?

Sorry; is ‘DNC-talking point’ 200 year+ family folklore now a perfectly accurate retelling of history?

(I’m guessing it is for TLD)

[cradleandshoot]

Maybe they could rename it Washington & King? Because, womanizing (and possible abuse) aside, the historical past only matters when it's a white guy.

https://theconversation.com/im-an-mlk-s ... ght-118015

You mean like Thomas Jefferson, who repeatedly raped his teenaged slave?

DocBarrister

The nature of Sally Hemings’s sexual encounters with Thomas Jefferson will never be known except to a Fanlax poster called DocBarrister. Thankfully we have it on good authority what actually occurred from Doc.

… certainly if the interaction / the beginning of the relation took place today, Doc's description would be 100% dead on from a legal perspective. In the late 1700s early 1800s, I don't know but kind of doubt it was considered rape. Can you rape your own property?? Could you rape a negress??

'certain'....

Why are Democrats always so 'certain' of themselves when they're by far the least knowledgeable people in every room? What a disconnect of authenticity and humility.

We now add JHU72 to the list of those with certain intimate knowledge of dead people's relationships, all the nuances, complexities, impenatrables, intricacies, and tortuous history. I marvel at their wisdom to know precisely the nature of two person's life history from the early 1800's!!

Said by the resident troll who is “certain” that anyone disagreeing with him is a democrat and judges people’s personal qualities by their weight and facial hair.

Go away.

Were you trying to add anything substantive to the discussion of who-knows-what with respect to Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemmings? Are you also one of those who states without hesitation what occurred between two people in the early 1800's?

How do you know the story wasn’t passed down through the family?

Well duhhhh, all you have to do is check her facebook account. Everything she said she verified.

She posted pictures on Facebook?

Well duuuuuh.

[Peter Brown]

How do you know the story wasn’t passed down through the family?

Is all family folklore now a perfectly accurate retelling of history?

Well it was the Hemmings family folklore that made the FACT of Jefferson paternity the "worst kept secret" in the state of Virginia. It was a "secret" that anyone in the state paying attention to had known even 200 years later. The fact that it took DNA evidence to finally shut up the deniers is another matter. But, since the DNA proved the family claim, I am guessing that the family folklore is probably worth listening to.

I have not read what the family is saying today about the relationship between Hemmings and Jefferson. But the story that I consistently heard was that the relationship was consensual and perhaps even love based - to the extent that consensual could exist between two people occupying their particular stations in life at the time. And even more to the extent that love could truly occupy that space in that context....

Democrats can’t tell you if Ralph Northam was the guy in blackface or the guy in a KKK hood, from 30 years ago, but they also want you to know that Thomas “raped” Sally 200+ years ago. Got it.

[HooDat]

How do you know the story wasn’t passed down through the family?

Is all family folklore now a perfectly accurate retelling of history?

Well it was the Hemmings family folklore that made the FACT of Jefferson paternity the "worst kept secret" in the state of Virginia. It was a "secret" that anyone in the state paying attention to had known even 200 years later. The fact that it took DNA evidence to finally shut up the deniers is another matter. But, since the DNA proved the family claim, I am guessing that the family folklore is probably worth listening to.

I have not read what the family is saying today about the relationship between Hemmings and Jefferson. But the story that I consistently heard was that the relationship was consensual and perhaps even love based - to the extent that consensual could exist between two people occupying their particular stations in life at the time. And even more to the extent that love could truly occupy that space in that context....

Democrats can’t tell you if Ralph Northam was the guy in blackface or the guy in a KKK hood, from 30 years ago, but they also want you to know that Thomas “raped” Sally 200+ years ago. Got it.

Who said anything about Democrats?

[Peter Brown]

How do you know the story wasn’t passed down through the family?

Is all family folklore now a perfectly accurate retelling of history?

Well it was the Hemmings family folklore that made the FACT of Jefferson paternity the "worst kept secret" in the state of Virginia. It was a "secret" that anyone in the state paying attention to had known even 200 years later. The fact that it took DNA evidence to finally shut up the deniers is another matter. But, since the DNA proved the family claim, I am guessing that the family folklore is probably worth listening to.

I have not read what the family is saying today about the relationship between Hemmings and Jefferson. But the story that I consistently heard was that the relationship was consensual and perhaps even love based - to the extent that consensual could exist between two people occupying their particular stations in life at the time. And even more to the extent that love could truly occupy that space in that context....

Democrats can’t tell you if Ralph Northam was the guy in blackface or the guy in a KKK hood, from 30 years ago, but they also want you to know that Thomas “raped” Sally 200+ years ago. Got it.

Who said anything about Democrats?

Me.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Maybe they could rename it Washington & King? Because, womanizing (and possible abuse) aside, the historical past only matters when it's a white guy.

https://theconversation.com/im-an-mlk-s ... ght-118015

You mean like Thomas Jefferson, who repeatedly raped his teenaged slave?

DocBarrister

The nature of Sally Hemings’s sexual encounters with Thomas Jefferson will never be known except to a Fanlax poster called DocBarrister. Thankfully we have it on good authority what actually occurred from Doc.

… certainly if the interaction / the beginning of the relation took place today, Doc's description would be 100% dead on from a legal perspective. In the late 1700s early 1800s, I don't know but kind of doubt it was considered rape. Can you rape your own property?? Could you rape a negress??

'certain'....

Why are Democrats always so 'certain' of themselves when they're by far the least knowledgeable people in every room? What a disconnect of authenticity and humility.

We now add JHU72 to the list of those with certain intimate knowledge of dead people's relationships, all the nuances, complexities, impenatrables, intricacies, and tortuous history. I marvel at their wisdom to know precisely the nature of two person's life history from the early 1800's!!

Said by the resident troll who is “certain” that anyone disagreeing with him is a democrat and judges people’s personal qualities by their weight and facial hair.

Go away.

Were you trying to add anything substantive to the discussion of who-knows-what with respect to Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemmings? Are you also one of those who states without hesitation what occurred between two people in the early 1800's?

How do you know the story wasn’t passed down through the family?

Well duhhhh, all you have to do is check her facebook account. Everything she said she verified.

She posted pictures on Facebook?

Well duuuuuh.

Nice. Her employer knows this?

[a fan]

How do you know the story wasn’t passed down through the family?

Is all family folklore now a perfectly accurate retelling of history?

Well it was the Hemmings family folklore that made the FACT of Jefferson paternity the "worst kept secret" in the state of Virginia. It was a "secret" that anyone in the state paying attention to had known even 200 years later. The fact that it took DNA evidence to finally shut up the deniers is another matter. But, since the DNA proved the family claim, I am guessing that the family folklore is probably worth listening to.

I have not read what the family is saying today about the relationship between Hemmings and Jefferson. But the story that I consistently heard was that the relationship was consensual and perhaps even love based - to the extent that consensual could exist between two people occupying their particular stations in life at the time. And even more to the extent that love could truly occupy that space in that context....

Democrats can’t tell you if Ralph Northam was the guy in blackface or the guy in a KKK hood, from 30 years ago, but they also want you to know that Thomas “raped” Sally 200+ years ago. Got it.

You are just a walking bag of contradictions.

Pete, FFS, think for a change. If you're telling us that you can't be sure about history's truthfulness, you understand that door swings both ways, right?

In other words: if you really believe this, then you wouldn't give two figs about pulling down statues of historical figures, since we're not sure of what they did or didn't do in the first place.

You're whining about "erasing history" in one post. Then claiming we have no clue what history is in another. Par for the course that you can't pick a lane. Which is it??