2020 Elections - Trump FIRED

[jhu72]

Fair enough. I’m open to ideas but we have different visions which isn’t the end of the world. Though....if we find it necessary to change paradigms what does that say about generations up to this point? Even if your vision came true are we running away from the current one or truly towards another one?

I would add though that I take the position that George Will often took opposite (uber smug and annoying, his Nobel prize in economics is a joke IMO) Paul Krugman who spent probably a decade on This Week w Brinkley/Donaldson/Steph declaring capitalism has failed to which Will, more of a pure libertarian, would promptly reply “No, this bastardized hybrid self serving and subsidy heavy form of capitalism has failed. We haven’t tried anything close to capitalism in a pure form” (which please no one, especially looking at AFan, confuse with no rules, no government spending of any kind, that’s not what he was saying, rather that we quickly strayed far from the intent and platonic ideal of democratic organized capitalism like 100yrs ago).

The current system is unsustainable. How do you grow an economy on consumer spending when you devalue labor? A child born today is worth less than a child born 100, 50, 25 years ago - inside the current system. How does that child obtain sufficient value to become a significant contributor to either side of the capitalist equation (consumer / producer)?? They are consumers with little to no value as producers which limits their ability to become significant consumers. It requires more investment in that child than we have been willing to make in the US. The investment we will have to make per child is growing everyday. Machines are far more economical.

[6ftstick]

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[jhu72]

This is a very amusing AD, but don't see it resonating with voters who might change their minds about Orange Duce. To me it looks more like a psychological warfare effort directed at Orange Duce.

That’s what it is. Pushing his button. He may have thrown his remote at the tv when it aired....eyes wide and hair all over his head...Sneering.....a complete mess.

… yes, I am certain his royal assholiness put on quit a show.

[CU88]

From the early weeks of the coronavirus pandemic, Trump’s standing with voters has suffered, with a majority disapproving of his handling of the emergency. But with Americans more dissatisfied than ever after four months since the coronavirus became a dominant force in the country — and with the same period of time to go until Election Day — the shift toward Democrats is both real and durable, though it’s not irreversible.

The signs are apparent: Trump’s campaign is running ads in states he won handily in 2016, like Georgia and Ohio. Senate Republicans aren’t just playing defense in vulnerable seats in states like Colorado, Maine and North Carolina — they’re also retrenching in places like Iowa and Montana.

Meanwhile, Trump’s incumbent advantages — money and the bully pulpit of the presidency — are eroding. Biden’s fundraising has surpassed Trump’s over the past two months, though Trump’s campaign retains a cash-on-hand edge. Trump’s poll numbers on the coronavirus and the civil unrest regarding racial injustice are consistently underwater, suggesting Americans b


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[jhu72]

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… got nothing to do with abortion. If YOU don't want to abort, don't. It is your choice. (See how that works?) Now feed, cloth and educate that child for a job market that is shrinking compared to the number of humans available to fill each available job. Oops, that job is no longer available, computer just filled it.

[Peter Brown]

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… got nothing to do with abortion. If YOU don't want to abort, don't. It is your choice. (See how that works?) Now feed, cloth and educate that child for a job market that is shrinking compared to the number of humans available to fill each available job. Oops, that job is no longer available, computer just filled it.

The unemployment rate was 3.5% which is basically full employment. Before you yo-yo’s started suppressing the economy. It’ll be back there soon.

[jhu72]

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… got nothing to do with abortion. If YOU don't want to abort, don't. It is your choice. (See how that works?) Now feed, cloth and educate that child for a job market that is shrinking compared to the number of humans available to fill each available job. Oops, that job is no longer available, computer just filled it.

The unemployment rate was 3.5% which is basically full employment. Before you yo-yo’s started suppressing the economy. It’ll be back there soon.

… really, lot of good jobs with benefits and growth opportunity? sure there were. How much socialism was involved in providing those jobs where the pay and benefits were minimal?

You guys (including 6in and cradle and dump) must not cross very many streets. I don't see how any of you, with your inability to see what is coming, keeps from getting hit by traffic on a daily basis. Bus is coming guys!

[cradleandshoot]

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… got nothing to do with abortion. If YOU don't want to abort, don't. It is your choice. (See how that works?) Now feed, cloth and educate that child for a job market that is shrinking compared to the number of humans available to fill each available job. Oops, that job is no longer available, computer just filled it.

The unemployment rate was 3.5% which is basically full employment. Before you yo-yo’s started suppressing the economy. It’ll be back there soon.

… really, lot of good jobs with benefits and growth opportunity? sure there were. How much socialism was involved in providing those jobs where the pay and benefits were minimal?

You guys (including 6in and cradle and dump) must not cross very many streets. I don't see how any of you, with your inability to see what is coming, keeps from getting hit by traffic on a daily basis. Bus is coming guys!

How many evacuations have you witnessed up close and personal 72? I mean where you can get yer snoot right up there and watch the tiny little arms, the tiny little legs and watch the welter of the bloody gore pass right in front of your eyeballs. Easy for you to make your argument in the abstract never having had the balls to see what the procedure you love so much actually looks like up close.

[Typical Lax Dad]

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… got nothing to do with abortion. If YOU don't want to abort, don't. It is your choice. (See how that works?) Now feed, cloth and educate that child for a job market that is shrinking compared to the number of humans available to fill each available job. Oops, that job is no longer available, computer just filled it.

The unemployment rate was 3.5% which is basically full employment. Before you yo-yo’s started suppressing the economy. It’ll be back there soon.

… really, lot of good jobs with benefits and growth opportunity? sure there were. How much socialism was involved in providing those jobs where the pay and benefits were minimal?

You guys (including 6in and cradle and dump) must not cross very many streets. I don't see how any of you, with your inability to see what is coming, keeps from getting hit by traffic on a daily basis. Bus is coming guys!

How many evacuations have you witnessed up close and personal 72? I mean where you can get yer snoot right up there and watch the tiny little arms, the tiny little legs and watch the welter of the bloody gore pass right in front of your eyeballs. Easy for you to make your argument in the abstract never having had the balls to see what the procedure you love so much actually looks like up close.

I haven’t seen any. How many did you perform?

[jhu72]

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… got nothing to do with abortion. If YOU don't want to abort, don't. It is your choice. (See how that works?) Now feed, cloth and educate that child for a job market that is shrinking compared to the number of humans available to fill each available job. Oops, that job is no longer available, computer just filled it.

The unemployment rate was 3.5% which is basically full employment. Before you yo-yo’s started suppressing the economy. It’ll be back there soon.

… really, lot of good jobs with benefits and growth opportunity? sure there were. How much socialism was involved in providing those jobs where the pay and benefits were minimal?

You guys (including 6in and cradle and dump) must not cross very many streets. I don't see how any of you, with your inability to see what is coming, keeps from getting hit by traffic on a daily basis. Bus is coming guys!

How many evacuations have you witnessed up close and personal 72? I mean where you can get yer snoot right up there and watch the tiny little arms, the tiny little legs and watch the welter of the bloody gore pass right in front of your eyeballs. Easy for you to make your argument in the abstract never having had the balls to see what the procedure you love so much actually looks like up close.

… come on. What a weak argument. The mechanics of an abortion have absolutely nothing to do with the problem of the economic future of this nation. I made no argument about abortion, it is irrelevant to the discussion. Your buddy brought it up and I pointed out it was his choice - not mine. If you are afraid your buddy will have an abortion performed, take it up with him - would be my suggestion.

[cradleandshoot]

just to be clear.jpg

… got nothing to do with abortion. If YOU don't want to abort, don't. It is your choice. (See how that works?) Now feed, cloth and educate that child for a job market that is shrinking compared to the number of humans available to fill each available job. Oops, that job is no longer available, computer just filled it.

The unemployment rate was 3.5% which is basically full employment. Before you yo-yo’s started suppressing the economy. It’ll be back there soon.

… really, lot of good jobs with benefits and growth opportunity? sure there were. How much socialism was involved in providing those jobs where the pay and benefits were minimal?

You guys (including 6in and cradle and dump) must not cross very many streets. I don't see how any of you, with your inability to see what is coming, keeps from getting hit by traffic on a daily basis. Bus is coming guys!

How many evacuations have you witnessed up close and personal 72? I mean where you can get yer snoot right up there and watch the tiny little arms, the tiny little legs and watch the welter of the bloody gore pass right in front of your eyeballs. Easy for you to make your argument in the abstract never having had the balls to see what the procedure you love so much actually looks like up close.

I haven’t seen any. How many did you perform?

The more appropriate question is how many evacuations my wife witnessed. You want to have this conversation with her and she will gut you like a trout.

[cradleandshoot]

just to be clear.jpg

… got nothing to do with abortion. If YOU don't want to abort, don't. It is your choice. (See how that works?) Now feed, cloth and educate that child for a job market that is shrinking compared to the number of humans available to fill each available job. Oops, that job is no longer available, computer just filled it.

The unemployment rate was 3.5% which is basically full employment. Before you yo-yo’s started suppressing the economy. It’ll be back there soon.

… really, lot of good jobs with benefits and growth opportunity? sure there were. How much socialism was involved in providing those jobs where the pay and benefits were minimal?

You guys (including 6in and cradle and dump) must not cross very many streets. I don't see how any of you, with your inability to see what is coming, keeps from getting hit by traffic on a daily basis. Bus is coming guys!

How many evacuations have you witnessed up close and personal 72? I mean where you can get yer snoot right up there and watch the tiny little arms, the tiny little legs and watch the welter of the bloody gore pass right in front of your eyeballs. Easy for you to make your argument in the abstract never having had the balls to see what the procedure you love so much actually looks like up close.

… come on. What a weak argument. The mechanics of an abortion have absolutely nothing to do with the problem of the economic future of this nation. I made no argument about abortion, it is irrelevant to the discussion. Your buddy brought it up and I pointed out it was his choice - not mine. If you are afraid your buddy will have an abortion performed, take it up with him - would be my suggestion.

Weak sauce doctor. How many abortions have you witnessed with your own eyes? I am guessing none. Who knows, maybe a guy like you would get your rocks off watching it. So as far as your concerned abortion is all about economics? Got it, message received Lima Charlie.

[6ftstick]

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… got nothing to do with abortion. If YOU don't want to abort, don't. It is your choice. (See how that works?) Now feed, cloth and educate that child for a job market that is shrinking compared to the number of humans available to fill each available job. Oops, that job is no longer available, computer just filled it.

The unemployment rate was 3.5% which is basically full employment. Before you yo-yo’s started suppressing the economy. It’ll be back there soon.

… really, lot of good jobs with benefits and growth opportunity? sure there were. How much socialism was involved in providing those jobs where the pay and benefits were minimal?

You guys (including 6in and cradle and dump) must not cross very many streets. I don't see how any of you, with your inability to see what is coming, keeps from getting hit by traffic on a daily basis. Bus is coming guys!

How many evacuations have you witnessed up close and personal 72? I mean where you can get yer snoot right up there and watch the tiny little arms, the tiny little legs and watch the welter of the bloody gore pass right in front of your eyeballs. Easy for you to make your argument in the abstract never having had the balls to see what the procedure you love so much actually looks like up close.

… come on. What a weak argument. The mechanics of an abortion have absolutely nothing to do with the problem of the economic future of this nation. I made no argument about abortion, it is irrelevant to the discussion. Your buddy brought it up and I pointed out it was his choice - not mine. If you are afraid your buddy will have an abortion performed, take it up with him - would be my suggestion.

From the guy who says BLM will moderate and become more mainstream.

Like his support moderated from "safe and rare" to kill em all up until they're born. And sell their little body parts.

[6ftstick]

In addition to infanticide make sure you guys run hard on this

I have a message for Jeff Bezos and his class.

If you attempt again to overturn the Amazon Tax, working people will go all out in the thousands to defeat you.

And we will not stop there.

Because you see, we are fighting for far more than this tax, we are preparing the ground for a different kind of society.

And if you, Jeff Bezos, want to drive that process forward by lashing out against us in our modest demands, then so be it.

Because we are coming for you and your rotten system. Seattle City Councilmember Kshama Sawant

Appears autonomous zones are the least of Seattles problems.

[a fan]

H*ll a guy I respect on here wants to TAKE MY GRANDCHILDREN and inter them in reeducation camps cause it might help the clueless and lazy.

I didn't mean all students, 6ft. I was talking about what educators calls "at risk" kids, from areas where education wasn't happening.

And again, I'm telling you that no one would go for that. Its' simply the only solution that I know would work for those kids: take them out of their environment. The environment they are in is the problem.

[cradleandshoot]

just to be clear.jpg

… got nothing to do with abortion. If YOU don't want to abort, don't. It is your choice. (See how that works?) Now feed, cloth and educate that child for a job market that is shrinking compared to the number of humans available to fill each available job. Oops, that job is no longer available, computer just filled it.

The unemployment rate was 3.5% which is basically full employment. Before you yo-yo’s started suppressing the economy. It’ll be back there soon.

… really, lot of good jobs with benefits and growth opportunity? sure there were. How much socialism was involved in providing those jobs where the pay and benefits were minimal?

You guys (including 6in and cradle and dump) must not cross very many streets. I don't see how any of you, with your inability to see what is coming, keeps from getting hit by traffic on a daily basis. Bus is coming guys!

How many evacuations have you witnessed up close and personal 72? I mean where you can get yer snoot right up there and watch the tiny little arms, the tiny little legs and watch the welter of the bloody gore pass right in front of your eyeballs. Easy for you to make your argument in the abstract never having had the balls to see what the procedure you love so much actually looks like up close.

… come on. What a weak argument. The mechanics of an abortion have absolutely nothing to do with the problem of the economic future of this nation. I made no argument about abortion, it is irrelevant to the discussion. Your buddy brought it up and I pointed out it was his choice - not mine. If you are afraid your buddy will have an abortion performed, take it up with him - would be my suggestion.

From the guy who says BLM will moderate and become more mainstream.

Like his support moderated from "safe and rare" to kill em all up until they're born. And sell their little body parts.

He still will not answer how many evacuations he has witnessed. The mechanics don't trouble him in the least. This is gross but it is true. This involves the "mechanics" of a slaughterhouse. My grandfather worked for a meatpacking company ARPEACO... ever hear of Tobins First Prize? This was the mid 60s and I was there with my grandmother to pick him up from work. A couple of trucks pulled up loaded with hogs. I asked my grandfather as a naive young kid would do... what are all the pigs for. My grandfather proceeded with the "mechanics" of what would happen to those hogs. They would be led into a pen and taken into a room where they would be hosed off. They were then filed down a chute single file were a nice young man would bash them in the head with a sledge hammer. The hog was then tied by the back legs and hoisted in the air upside down. Then they slit the hogs throat and let all the blood drain out. Then the processing could begin. My mom loved bologna. We all loved bologna as kids. My grandfather would always torment my mom with the same refrain..
You know Catherine if you saw how they make it, you would never eat that stuff. Same with abortion. If any of you actually saw how it was done......

https://www.democratandchronicle.com/st ... /25528783/

[jhu72]

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… got nothing to do with abortion. If YOU don't want to abort, don't. It is your choice. (See how that works?) Now feed, cloth and educate that child for a job market that is shrinking compared to the number of humans available to fill each available job. Oops, that job is no longer available, computer just filled it.

The unemployment rate was 3.5% which is basically full employment. Before you yo-yo’s started suppressing the economy. It’ll be back there soon.

… really, lot of good jobs with benefits and growth opportunity? sure there were. How much socialism was involved in providing those jobs where the pay and benefits were minimal?

You guys (including 6in and cradle and dump) must not cross very many streets. I don't see how any of you, with your inability to see what is coming, keeps from getting hit by traffic on a daily basis. Bus is coming guys!

How many evacuations have you witnessed up close and personal 72? I mean where you can get yer snoot right up there and watch the tiny little arms, the tiny little legs and watch the welter of the bloody gore pass right in front of your eyeballs. Easy for you to make your argument in the abstract never having had the balls to see what the procedure you love so much actually looks like up close.

… come on. What a weak argument. The mechanics of an abortion have absolutely nothing to do with the problem of the economic future of this nation. I made no argument about abortion, it is irrelevant to the discussion. Your buddy brought it up and I pointed out it was his choice - not mine. If you are afraid your buddy will have an abortion performed, take it up with him - would be my suggestion.

From the guy who says BLM will moderate and become more mainstream.

Like his support moderated from "safe and rare" to kill em all up until they're born. And sell their little body parts.

He still will not answer how many evacuations he has witnessed. The mechanics don't trouble him in the least. This is gross but it is true. This involves the "mechanics" of a slaughterhouse. My grandfather worked for a meatpacking company ARPEACO... ever hear of Tobins First Prize? This was the mid 60s and I was there with my grandmother to pick him up from work. A couple of trucks pulled up loaded with hogs. I asked my grandfather as a naive young kid would do... what are all the pigs for. My grandfather proceeded with the "mechanics" of what would happen to those hogs. They would be led into a pen and taken into a room where they would be hosed off. They were then filed down a chute single file were a nice young man would bash them in the head with a sledge hammer. The hog was then tied by the back legs and hoisted in the air upside down. Then they slit the hogs throat and let all the blood drain out. Then the processing could begin. My mom loved bologna. We all loved bologna as kids. My grandfather would always torment my mom with the same refrain..
You know Catherine if you saw how they make it, you would never eat that stuff. Same with abortion. If any of you actually saw how it was done......

https://www.democratandchronicle.com/st ... /25528783/

… how is the elk doing there short chain?

[HooDat]

You don't have to be as well off as I am to have sufficient resource. None of my children (with one possible exception) will make as much money in their lives as I have. The each have jobs they like, take joy and pride in and make sufficient money. They have meaningful relationships with other human beings, lots of them (don't mean sexual - they have meaningful friendships male and female), hobbies and interests. All three are close to each other. Two of them have entrepreneurial spirits in different areas. They are succeeding at life while at the same time improving on their father and mother as human beings, each in their own way.

I wish more people would take to heart what you write here.


The following reality is what is driving most of our politics right now.

The current system is unsustainable. How do you grow an economy on consumer spending when you devalue labor? A child born today is worth less than a child born 100, 50, 25 years ago - inside the current system. How does that child obtain sufficient value to become a significant contributor to either side of the capitalist equation (consumer / producer)?? They are consumers with little to no value as producers which limits their ability to become significant consumers. It requires more investment in that child than we have been willing to make in the US. The investment we will have to make per child is growing everyday. Machines are far more economical.

We are eventually going to need to change our economy.

One way to deal with this is some variation of UBI. UBI offers a StarTrek-ish utopian world - and utopian strategies always scare me, because they rarely pan out that way. Mankind is just too flawed. A UBI based world would be great for artisits, but what about those who aren't artists, what do they do with their free time (idle hands....)

Another is to reduce the consumerism basis of our economy. Virtually all of our laws and regulations are bent toward the benefit of the consumer and (mostly) the capital holders. Across the world governments picked the winners and funny enough they picked the ultra-wealthy and paid off the masses with cheap trinkets. The alternative is to re-write the laws to benefit producers and labor.

- Fewer but better things.
- Better life/work balance.
- More small businesses.
- More connectedness.
- More of jhu's first paragraph.

[kramerica.inc]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/08/entertai ... index.html

YE in 2020!

West insisted to Forbes that his run is not a publicity stunt and said he had no issue with the idea that his planned run could potentially take votes away from presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden and aid in the reelection of Trump.

"I'm not denying it, I just told you," West said. "To say that the Black vote is Democratic is a form of racism and white supremacy."

"I'm not saying Trump's in my way, he may be a part of my way. And Joe Biden? Like come on man, please," the publication also quoted West as saying. "You know? Obama's special. Trump's special. We say Kanye West is special. America needs special people that lead. Bill Clinton? Special. Joe Biden's not special."

[Typical Lax Dad]

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… got nothing to do with abortion. If YOU don't want to abort, don't. It is your choice. (See how that works?) Now feed, cloth and educate that child for a job market that is shrinking compared to the number of humans available to fill each available job. Oops, that job is no longer available, computer just filled it.

The unemployment rate was 3.5% which is basically full employment. Before you yo-yo’s started suppressing the economy. It’ll be back there soon.

… really, lot of good jobs with benefits and growth opportunity? sure there were. How much socialism was involved in providing those jobs where the pay and benefits were minimal?

You guys (including 6in and cradle and dump) must not cross very many streets. I don't see how any of you, with your inability to see what is coming, keeps from getting hit by traffic on a daily basis. Bus is coming guys!

How many evacuations have you witnessed up close and personal 72? I mean where you can get yer snoot right up there and watch the tiny little arms, the tiny little legs and watch the welter of the bloody gore pass right in front of your eyeballs. Easy for you to make your argument in the abstract never having had the balls to see what the procedure you love so much actually looks like up close.

I haven’t seen any. How many did you perform?

The more appropriate question is how many evacuations my wife witnessed. You want to have this conversation with her and she will gut you like a trout.

No dude...you keep asking “how many have YOU witnessed”? If that is not what you mean then re-phrase the question. “How many have your wife witnessed” would be more appropriate