Race in America - Riots Explode in Chicago

[Farfromgeneva]

[quote=Farfromgeneva post_id=164258 time=<a href="tel:1594048778">1594048778</a> user_id=1206]
Rome is, I believe, the longest running hegemony in world history at around 400yrs. We are on around 250 now...

Question is who are the biggest threat to us like the Germanic hordes.

… they are already in the country, they call themselves "real Americans" -- those refusing to move forward thinking there was ever something known as the good old days. Unless we get our sh!t together real soon, we will be left behind, another nation or group of nations will lead the way. When you stop leading by ideas - you are done.
[/quote]That’s been my philosophy sort of for years. Nothing is owed to anyone, take nothing for granted and earn your keep every day. I like looking at my mortgage balance draining downward (hyperamortization) and thinking that it’ll be a million dollar asset (Trajectory, it’s clear form high 8s now, bought at $530 in 2013 with a 20% down I earned from years of working weekends and way past midnight in my 20a while other friends enjoyed summer Friday half days and had roommates in NYC until they were 30) I’ll own free and clear (except taxes, insurance and maintenance) and proud that I could earn the money to be in this situation when I grew up in a home in upstate NY that may clear for little more than my mother bought it for in 1989 and well under $100k. Just complaining about the kiddies and how unfair life is because some Mexican works harder and more effectively for less money, get out there and be the best strawberry picker or metal fabrication specialist one can be. It’s called merit based incentive systems.

[MDlaxfan76]

Build the Wall!

[Farfromgeneva]

Save the Right!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xeqX20IOhrw

[jhu72]

Yup, politicians on both side sell easy non-solutions.

It would seem so much easier to just do the right thing. This country has been moving forward in 2nd gear but so long as the haves eat off the top, they don’t care. My father pointed out to me a long time ago that this is one of the few countries where poor people Enthusiastically fight the battles for the rich.

Yup. The country as a whole has become fat, dumb and happy. That is the real and most fundamental problem. Too many think change is bad, especially if it is change they can't control.

'Change' = tearing down statues of Columbus, Washington, Jefferson, and naturally, Frederick Douglass! Also, 'Change' = rioting and looting every store in NYC, Portland, Minneapolis, Chicago, St. Louis, Seattle, and you get the picture. 'Change' = higher murder rates especially for young kids.

Change is great everyone!

change == removing entrenched racist, xenophobic, misogynistic, laws, customs & beliefs (and elected leaders who support these) from society (office); fulfilling the dream embodied in the Declaration of Independence. Actually become a nation that Peanut Butters only pays lip service too.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Yup, politicians on both side sell easy non-solutions.

It would seem so much easier to just do the right thing. This country has been moving forward in 2nd gear but so long as the haves eat off the top, they don’t care. My father pointed out to me a long time ago that this is one of the few countries where poor people Enthusiastically fight the battles for the rich.

Yup. The country as a whole has become fat, dumb and happy. That is the real and most fundamental problem. Too many think change is bad, especially if it is change they can't control.

'Change' = tearing down statues of Columbus, Washington, Jefferson, and naturally, Frederick Douglass! Also, 'Change' = rioting and looting every store in NYC, Portland, Minneapolis, Chicago, St. Louis, Seattle, and you get the picture. 'Change' = higher murder rates especially for young kids.

Change is great everyone!

change == removing entrenched racist, xenophobic, misogynistic, laws, customs & beliefs (and elected leaders who support these) from society (office); fulfilling the dream embodied in the Declaration of Independence. Actually become a nation that Peanut Butters only pays lip service too.

https://apple.news/AhkLLYxUIRX6HnQ8SoOxLUg

[jhu72]

[quote=Farfromgeneva post_id=164258 time=<a href="tel:1594048778">1594048778</a> user_id=1206]
Rome is, I believe, the longest running hegemony in world history at around 400yrs. We are on around 250 now...

Question is who are the biggest threat to us like the Germanic hordes.

… they are already in the country, they call themselves "real Americans" -- those refusing to move forward thinking there was ever something known as the good old days. Unless we get our sh!t together real soon, we will be left behind, another nation or group of nations will lead the way. When you stop leading by ideas - you are done.

That’s been my philosophy sort of for years. Nothing is owed to anyone, take nothing for granted and earn your keep every day. I like looking at my mortgage balance draining downward (hyperamortization) and thinking that it’ll be a million dollar asset (Trajectory, it’s clear form high 8s now, bought at $530 in 2013 with a 20% down I earned from years of working weekends and way past midnight in my 20a while other friends enjoyed summer Friday half days and had roommates in NYC until they were 30) I’ll own free and clear (except taxes, insurance and maintenance) and proud that I could earn the money to be in this situation when I grew up in a home in upstate NY that may clear for little more than my mother bought it for in 1989 and well under $100k. Just complaining about the kiddies and how unfair life is because some Mexican works harder and more effectively for less money, get out there and be the best strawberry picker or metal fabrication specialist one can be. It’s called merit based incentive systems.
[/quote]

America is most certainly not that today for all Americans. If anyone thinks it is, they are not paying attention.

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://apple.news/AiG2qzfmaRT2ih7T7RoF7bw

MAGA

[RedFromMI]

https://apple.news/AiG2qzfmaRT2ih7T7RoF7bw

MAGA

It is pretty clear that he for now at least has shifted into a full on racist campaign. And it will be interesting to see if this actually leads to a gain real support or just more solidification of his slowly dwindling cadre of hard core supporters.

He basically is giving anyone not in the toilet for him lots of reasons to vote the other way.

[Farfromgeneva]

[quote=Farfromgeneva post_id=164258 time=<a href="tel:1594048778">1594048778</a> user_id=1206]
Rome is, I believe, the longest running hegemony in world history at around 400yrs. We are on around 250 now...

Question is who are the biggest threat to us like the Germanic hordes.

… they are already in the country, they call themselves "real Americans" -- those refusing to move forward thinking there was ever something known as the good old days. Unless we get our sh!t together real soon, we will be left behind, another nation or group of nations will lead the way. When you stop leading by ideas - you are done.

That’s been my philosophy sort of for years. Nothing is owed to anyone, take nothing for granted and earn your keep every day. I like looking at my mortgage balance draining downward (hyperamortization) and thinking that it’ll be a million dollar asset (Trajectory, it’s clear form high 8s now, bought at $530 in 2013 with a 20% down I earned from years of working weekends and way past midnight in my 20a while other friends enjoyed summer Friday half days and had roommates in NYC until they were 30) I’ll own free and clear (except taxes, insurance and maintenance) and proud that I could earn the money to be in this situation when I grew up in a home in upstate NY that may clear for little more than my mother bought it for in 1989 and well under $100k. Just complaining about the kiddies and how unfair life is because some Mexican works harder and more effectively for less money, get out there and be the best strawberry picker or metal fabrication specialist one can be. It’s called merit based incentive systems.

America is most certainly not that today for all Americans. If anyone thinks it is, they are not paying attention.
[/quote]

I agree, but we should all work as much as we can for ourselves. I see a lot of MAGA folks who are distressed in their situations because they were complacent. I took advantage, if you think this way, of my male white privilege or whatever you want to define it as (I find the term white privileged pejorative, have to be a better description but in the grand scheme of problems people have complaining about an advantage is goofy) and am thankful for it. Recognize that there’s part of the population that’s structurally disadvantaged. Don’t care for wealth transfers principally as it allows for government to buy favor but recognize some is necessary, just would prefer it’s not managed by insular career politicians or frankly anyone who lives or works in the DC bubble but it is what it is.

Everyone should try their hardest and not whine, we should help those who are working to help themselves and let the ones who are crying and yelling and not utilizing whatever opportunity that comes their way “die on the vine”. What I see across the east coast and in my own business travels is the ones disadvantaged generally complain a heck of a lot less than the ones born into more favorable situations. Less law and regulation, IMO, and when we create or more realistically layer on, new laws they should be rifle shot targeted at supporting those who truly exemplify the American ethos which I often compare to Weber’s Protestant ethic and spirit of capitalism. Participate, work hard and utilize opportunities and we should support that while maintaining liberties for all of us.

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://apple.news/AiG2qzfmaRT2ih7T7RoF7bw

MAGA

It is pretty clear that he for now at least has shifted into a full on racist campaign. And it will be interesting to see if this actually leads to a gain real support or just more solidification of his slowly dwindling cadre of hard core supporters.

He basically is giving anyone not in the toilet for him lots of reasons to vote the other way.

Bubba needs to give his “Iza sorry... thanks massa’” speech.

[jhu72]

Yup, politicians on both side sell easy non-solutions.

It would seem so much easier to just do the right thing. This country has been moving forward in 2nd gear but so long as the haves eat off the top, they don’t care. My father pointed out to me a long time ago that this is one of the few countries where poor people Enthusiastically fight the battles for the rich.

Yup. The country as a whole has become fat, dumb and happy. That is the real and most fundamental problem. Too many think change is bad, especially if it is change they can't control.

'Change' = tearing down statues of Columbus, Washington, Jefferson, and naturally, Frederick Douglass! Also, 'Change' = rioting and looting every store in NYC, Portland, Minneapolis, Chicago, St. Louis, Seattle, and you get the picture. 'Change' = higher murder rates especially for young kids.

Change is great everyone!

change == removing entrenched racist, xenophobic, misogynistic, laws, customs & beliefs (and elected leaders who support these) from society (office); fulfilling the dream embodied in the Declaration of Independence. Actually become a nation that Peanut Butters only pays lip service too.

https://apple.news/AhkLLYxUIRX6HnQ8SoOxLUg

… I know you are not surprised. I have given some thought to all this silly statue stuff. It is a shame that it has come to this.

The one that hits the closest to home is the Baltimore Columbus statue. So many truly great Italians to choose from, and some in the Italian American community are attached to a myth. Columbus didn't discover the New World; a number of Vikings got here first, evolving evidence that even Chinese navigators may have reached our shores 100s of years earlier; not to mention Asian immigrants settled the land 10 thousand years earlier. Columbus never set foot on any part of what is now the US or either of the American continents. The Columbus statue is nothing but 20th century marketing of what was by and large a 15th-16th century marketing job. There are more deserving Italians and more deserving explorers actually associated with the US.

Getting exercised over Columbus is just dumb. If I were Italian I would not take this personally. This is not an attack on Italians.

Let's erect something to Leonardo or Galileo in the inner harbor - men who were gifts to the world, rather than an enslaver of native Americans.

[jhu72]

[quote=Farfromgeneva post_id=164258 time=<a href="tel:1594048778">1594048778</a> user_id=1206]
Rome is, I believe, the longest running hegemony in world history at around 400yrs. We are on around 250 now...

Question is who are the biggest threat to us like the Germanic hordes.

… they are already in the country, they call themselves "real Americans" -- those refusing to move forward thinking there was ever something known as the good old days. Unless we get our sh!t together real soon, we will be left behind, another nation or group of nations will lead the way. When you stop leading by ideas - you are done.

That’s been my philosophy sort of for years. Nothing is owed to anyone, take nothing for granted and earn your keep every day. I like looking at my mortgage balance draining downward (hyperamortization) and thinking that it’ll be a million dollar asset (Trajectory, it’s clear form high 8s now, bought at $530 in 2013 with a 20% down I earned from years of working weekends and way past midnight in my 20a while other friends enjoyed summer Friday half days and had roommates in NYC until they were 30) I’ll own free and clear (except taxes, insurance and maintenance) and proud that I could earn the money to be in this situation when I grew up in a home in upstate NY that may clear for little more than my mother bought it for in 1989 and well under $100k. Just complaining about the kiddies and how unfair life is because some Mexican works harder and more effectively for less money, get out there and be the best strawberry picker or metal fabrication specialist one can be. It’s called merit based incentive systems.

America is most certainly not that today for all Americans. If anyone thinks it is, they are not paying attention.

I agree, but we should all work as much as we can for ourselves. I see a lot of MAGA folks who are distressed in their situations because they were complacent. I took advantage, if you think this way, of my male white privilege or whatever you want to define it as (I find the term white privileged pejorative, have to be a better description but in the grand scheme of problems people have complaining about an advantage is goofy) and am thankful for it. Recognize that there’s part of the population that’s structurally disadvantaged. Don’t care for wealth transfers principally as it allows for government to buy favor but recognize some is necessary, just would prefer it’s not managed by insular career politicians or frankly anyone who lives or works in the DC bubble but it is what it is.

Everyone should try their hardest and not whine, we should help those who are working to help themselves and let the ones who are crying and yelling and not utilizing whatever opportunity that comes their way “die on the vine”. What I see across the east coast and in my own business travels is the ones disadvantaged generally complain a heck of a lot less than the ones born into more favorable situations. Less law and regulation, IMO, and when we create or more realistically layer on, new laws they should be rifle shot targeted at supporting those who truly exemplify the American ethos which I often compare to Weber’s Protestant ethic and spirit of capitalism. Participate, work hard and utilize opportunities and we should support that while maintaining liberties for all of us.
[/quote]

… yup, the secret is we should all be working hard for ourselves, but not working against classes of people. You can do both.

[Farfromgeneva]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A3QD8tB0-Xo

Great bit about slavery and how it would be told by Italians

[jhu72]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A3QD8tB0-Xo

Great bit about slavery and how it would be told by Italians

FUNNY. Still laughing.

[Farfromgeneva]

“Do you know why I pulled you over?”

[cradleandshoot]

https://www.bing.com/search?q=statue+of ... 01&PC=U531

This could have been done by run of the mill vandals. If this was done by FLP angry protesters they might want to bone up on their history.

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.bing.com/search?q=statue+of ... 01&PC=U531

This could have been done by run of the mill vandals. If this was done by FLP angry protesters they might want to bone up on their history.

They are all vandals.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Yup, politicians on both side sell easy non-solutions.

It would seem so much easier to just do the right thing. This country has been moving forward in 2nd gear but so long as the haves eat off the top, they don’t care. My father pointed out to me a long time ago that this is one of the few countries where poor people Enthusiastically fight the battles for the rich.

Yup. The country as a whole has become fat, dumb and happy. That is the real and most fundamental problem. Too many think change is bad, especially if it is change they can't control.

'Change' = tearing down statues of Columbus, Washington, Jefferson, and naturally, Frederick Douglass! Also, 'Change' = rioting and looting every store in NYC, Portland, Minneapolis, Chicago, St. Louis, Seattle, and you get the picture. 'Change' = higher murder rates especially for young kids.

Change is great everyone!

change == removing entrenched racist, xenophobic, misogynistic, laws, customs & beliefs (and elected leaders who support these) from society (office); fulfilling the dream embodied in the Declaration of Independence. Actually become a nation that Peanut Butters only pays lip service too.

https://apple.news/AhkLLYxUIRX6HnQ8SoOxLUg

… I know you are not surprised. I have given some thought to all this silly statue stuff. It is a shame that it has come to this.

The one that hits the closest to home is the Baltimore Columbus statue. So many truly great Italians to choose from, and some in the Italian American community are attached to a myth. Columbus didn't discover the New World; a number of Vikings got here first, evolving evidence that even Chinese navigators may have reached our shores 100s of years earlier; not to mention Asian immigrants settled the land 10 thousand years earlier. Columbus never set foot on any part of what is now the US or either of the American continents. The Columbus statue is nothing but 20th century marketing of what was by and large a 15th-16th century marketing job. There are more deserving Italians and more deserving explorers actually associated with the US.

Getting exercised over Columbus is just dumb. If I were Italian I would not take this personally. This is not an attack on Italians.

Let's erect something to Leonardo or Galileo in the inner harbor - men who were gifts to the world, rather than an enslaver of native Americans.

+1.

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A3QD8tB0-Xo

Great bit about slavery and how it would be told by Italians

FUNNY. Still laughing.

I think slavery would be less of an issue if post emancipation local, state and federal government had held up its end of the bargain. Slavery could be known as “THE dark chapter in American history”....unfortunately chapters keep being added to that book and it’s 2020. At every point that the country has to turn the corner, we don’t do it. We just let it fester for another generation. If we had done they right thing post emancipation, nobody would be bogged down on slavery....or it would be a lesser issue.

[Peter Brown]

Yup, politicians on both side sell easy non-solutions.

It would seem so much easier to just do the right thing. This country has been moving forward in 2nd gear but so long as the haves eat off the top, they don’t care. My father pointed out to me a long time ago that this is one of the few countries where poor people Enthusiastically fight the battles for the rich.

Yup. The country as a whole has become fat, dumb and happy. That is the real and most fundamental problem. Too many think change is bad, especially if it is change they can't control.

'Change' = tearing down statues of Columbus, Washington, Jefferson, and naturally, Frederick Douglass! Also, 'Change' = rioting and looting every store in NYC, Portland, Minneapolis, Chicago, St. Louis, Seattle, and you get the picture. 'Change' = higher murder rates especially for young kids.

Change is great everyone!

change == removing entrenched racist, xenophobic, misogynistic, laws, customs & beliefs (and elected leaders who support these) from society (office); fulfilling the dream embodied in the Declaration of Independence. Actually become a nation that Peanut Butters only pays lip service too.

https://apple.news/AhkLLYxUIRX6HnQ8SoOxLUg

… I know you are not surprised. I have given some thought to all this silly statue stuff. It is a shame that it has come to this.

The one that hits the closest to home is the Baltimore Columbus statue. So many truly great Italians to choose from, and some in the Italian American community are attached to a myth. Columbus didn't discover the New World; a number of Vikings got here first, evolving evidence that even Chinese navigators may have reached our shores 100s of years earlier; not to mention Asian immigrants settled the land 10 thousand years earlier. Columbus never set foot on any part of what is now the US or either of the American continents. The Columbus statue is nothing but 20th century marketing of what was by and large a 15th-16th century marketing job. There are more deserving Italians and more deserving explorers actually associated with the US.

Getting exercised over Columbus is just dumb. If I were Italian I would not take this personally. This is not an attack on Italians.

Let's erect something to Leonardo or Galileo in the inner harbor - men who were gifts to the world, rather than an enslaver of native Americans.

This entire post above can be summed up with one sentence: please kill me last.