All things Chinese CoronaVirus

[ABV 8.3%]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/22/europe/g ... -intl-grm/

Who owns CNN?

Experts in the pandemic field, from time to time, like to run virtual exercises, to better understand the process. This last October, the Bill & Melida Gates Foundation, along with Bloomberg and Johns Hopkins, held such an event. It was called Event 201.

As experts gathered in Manhatten, running thru a "real life" virus scenario, what are the takeaways from this exercise? What can our business and political leaders learn from Event 201? Especially the recommendations. IS, there value is these type of practice scenarios? If so, what actions should be taken? If not, why not?

For those not familiar with Event 201, here is the link.

https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/

[ABV 8.3%]

Florida tops 10,000 new cases in one day. https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/20 ... evel-high/

Hospitalizations are increasing:



Deaths are increasing:



More trends: https://tallahasseereports.com/2020/06/ ... us-battle/

These and other spiking states like AZ and TX are not the results of BLM protests. The numbers of sick and dead Americans are heartbreaking regardless.

Any graphs on suicide "trends" ? How about Mayor Bloombergs pet peeve.......FAT people. People getting fatter, or thinner, staying at home? Suddenly THAT doesn't matter?

All your posts seem "agenda-less", btw......eye roll

A 88 old, dying of cancer.....I mean....covid, is heartbreaking? NO....it's expected.

Kids getting killed by gunfire, whether by police, neighbors or wacko's.....THAT is heartbreaking.

IN other words, where is the graph on DEATHS in the Tampa area, for those aged 49, or younger?

[6ftstick]

Well bust my buttons JHU 72 should be ashamed and as Doc Barrister would put it he and those like him actually do have blood on their hands

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... 365090002/

Hydroxychloroquine lowers COVID-19 death rate, Henry Ford Health study finds

Officials with the Michigan health system said the study found the drug “significantly” decreased the death rate of patients involved in the analysis.

The study analyzed 2,541 patients hospitalized among the system’s six hospitals between March 10 and May 2 and found 13% of those treated with hydroxychloroquine died while 26% of those who did not receive the drug died

“As doctors and scientists, we look to the data for insight,” said Steven Kalkanis, CEO of the Henry Ford Medical Group. “And the data here is clear that there was a benefit to using the drug as a treatment for sick, hospitalized patients.”

The study, published in the International Society of Infectious Disease.......

[6ftstick]

Hey JHU I have my doubts this Doctors ever heard of you either

https://www.web24.news/u/2020/05/didier ... quine.html

“Early diagnosis, early isolation and early treatment with at least three days of hydroxychloroquine-Azithromycin (HCQ-AZ) results in significantly better clinical outcome and contagiousness in patients with Covid-19 than others. treatments “, ensures the study produced by Professor Raoult.

This study is based on “the clinical management of 3,737 patients, including 3,054 (81.7%) treated with HCQ-AZ for at least three days and 683 (18.3%) patients treated with other methods . ”

[holmes435]

Any graphs on suicide "trends" ? How about Mayor Bloombergs pet peeve.......FAT people. People getting fatter, or thinner, staying at home? Suddenly THAT doesn't matter?

All your posts seem "agenda-less", btw......eye roll

A 88 old, dying of cancer.....I mean....covid, is heartbreaking? NO....it's expected.

Kids getting killed by gunfire, whether by police, neighbors or wacko's.....THAT is heartbreaking.

IN other words, where is the graph on DEATHS in the Tampa area, for those aged 49, or younger?

My posts aren't agenda-less, I just like pointing out people's hypocrisy and willful ignorance. And the numbers are indeed heartbreaking.

As far as other causes of death, certainly they are lamentable, but THIS IS THE F-ING CORONAVIRUS THREAD, THAT'S WHY I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CORONAVIRUS

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/22/europe/g ... -intl-grm/

Who owns CNN?

Experts in the pandemic field, from time to time, like to run virtual exercises, to better understand the process. This last October, the Bill & Melida Gates Foundation, along with Bloomberg and Johns Hopkins, held such an event. It was called Event 201.

As experts gathered in Manhatten, running thru a "real life" virus scenario, what are the takeaways from this exercise? What can our business and political leaders learn from Event 201? Especially the recommendations. IS, there value is these type of practice scenarios? If so, what actions should be taken? If not, why not?

For those not familiar with Event 201, here is the link.

https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/

Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates?

[Peter Brown]

Hey JHU I have my doubts this Doctors ever heard of you either

https://www.web24.news/u/2020/05/didier ... quine.html

“Early diagnosis, early isolation and early treatment with at least three days of hydroxychloroquine-Azithromycin (HCQ-AZ) results in significantly better clinical outcome and contagiousness in patients with Covid-19 than others. treatments “, ensures the study produced by Professor Raoult.

This study is based on “the clinical management of 3,737 patients, including 3,054 (81.7%) treated with HCQ-AZ for at least three days and 683 (18.3%) patients treated with other methods . ”

How is CNN gonna walk back their previous reporting with the new studies? Oh that’s right, they’ll pretend they never said anything.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/health/h ... index.html

[Peter Brown]

Florida tops 10,000 new cases in one day. https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/20 ... evel-high/

Hospitalizations are increasing:



Deaths are increasing:



More trends: https://tallahasseereports.com/2020/06/ ... us-battle/

These and other spiking states like AZ and TX are not the results of BLM protests. The numbers of sick and dead Americans are heartbreaking regardless.

Any graphs on suicide "trends" ? How about Mayor Bloombergs pet peeve.......FAT people. People getting fatter, or thinner, staying at home? Suddenly THAT doesn't matter?

All your posts seem "agenda-less", btw......eye roll

A 88 old, dying of cancer.....I mean....covid, is heartbreaking? NO....it's expected.

Kids getting killed by gunfire, whether by police, neighbors or wacko's.....THAT is heartbreaking.

IN other words, where is the graph on DEATHS in the Tampa area, for those aged 49, or younger?

The number of people who die of Covid under 80 who wouldn’t have died from the common cold if they caught that too is close to zero.

[wgdsr]

Hey JHU I have my doubts this Doctors ever heard of you either

https://www.web24.news/u/2020/05/didier ... quine.html

“Early diagnosis, early isolation and early treatment with at least three days of hydroxychloroquine-Azithromycin (HCQ-AZ) results in significantly better clinical outcome and contagiousness in patients with Covid-19 than others. treatments “, ensures the study produced by Professor Raoult.

This study is based on “the clinical management of 3,737 patients, including 3,054 (81.7%) treated with HCQ-AZ for at least three days and 683 (18.3%) patients treated with other methods . ”

How is CNN gonna walk back their previous reporting with the new studies? Oh that’s right, they’ll pretend they never said anything.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/health/h ... index.html

well, of course it won't get breathless play there. maybe it will @ fox if it fits the news cycle.

raoult's study was far from perfect. a number of hcq/z <3 days patients had bad outcomes and it went not fully explained. if i remember correctly the hcq group and z group? respectively had advanced comorbitities and probably disease and not signif results.
can't recall if they used zinc liberally.
no real issues shown for side effects, and even the hcq/z < 3 days group unexplained likely doesn't change that at low dosage.
and of course wasn't a double blinded trial.

will be interested to see what the mich hosp chain releases. and what they come out with for 1st responders as prophylaxis.

broward county did a study with hcq and ivermectin and had very good results, even with older patients admitted to hospital. one group in brazil 50 thousand with a similar treatment plan + antibiotic, very early, supposedly great results.

need clinical trials. upenn, you are up.
hopefully some out soon with very early use, zinc and some as prophylaxis before infection.

[MDlaxfan76]

Hey JHU I have my doubts this Doctors ever heard of you either

https://www.web24.news/u/2020/05/didier ... quine.html

“Early diagnosis, early isolation and early treatment with at least three days of hydroxychloroquine-Azithromycin (HCQ-AZ) results in significantly better clinical outcome and contagiousness in patients with Covid-19 than others. treatments “, ensures the study produced by Professor Raoult.

This study is based on “the clinical management of 3,737 patients, including 3,054 (81.7%) treated with HCQ-AZ for at least three days and 683 (18.3%) patients treated with other methods . ”

How is CNN gonna walk back their previous reporting with the new studies? Oh that’s right, they’ll pretend they never said anything.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/health/h ... index.html

Did you read (much less comprehend) the whole article or did you get exhausted after the first couple of paragraphs?

Sheesh, the idiocy of trolling.

[6ftstick]

Hey JHU I have my doubts this Doctors ever heard of you either

https://www.web24.news/u/2020/05/didier ... quine.html

“Early diagnosis, early isolation and early treatment with at least three days of hydroxychloroquine-Azithromycin (HCQ-AZ) results in significantly better clinical outcome and contagiousness in patients with Covid-19 than others. treatments “, ensures the study produced by Professor Raoult.

This study is based on “the clinical management of 3,737 patients, including 3,054 (81.7%) treated with HCQ-AZ for at least three days and 683 (18.3%) patients treated with other methods . ”

How is CNN gonna walk back their previous reporting with the new studies? Oh that’s right, they’ll pretend they never said anything.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/health/h ... index.html

Did you read (much less comprehend) the whole article or did you get exhausted after the first couple of paragraphs?

Sheesh, the idiocy of trolling.

Yeh jeez I forgot you guys only believe allegations. Actual deathss cut in half is questionable. TDS that's all this is.

[MDlaxfan76]

Hey JHU I have my doubts this Doctors ever heard of you either

https://www.web24.news/u/2020/05/didier ... quine.html

“Early diagnosis, early isolation and early treatment with at least three days of hydroxychloroquine-Azithromycin (HCQ-AZ) results in significantly better clinical outcome and contagiousness in patients with Covid-19 than others. treatments “, ensures the study produced by Professor Raoult.

This study is based on “the clinical management of 3,737 patients, including 3,054 (81.7%) treated with HCQ-AZ for at least three days and 683 (18.3%) patients treated with other methods . ”

How is CNN gonna walk back their previous reporting with the new studies? Oh that’s right, they’ll pretend they never said anything.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/health/h ... index.html

Did you read (much less comprehend) the whole article or did you get exhausted after the first couple of paragraphs?

Sheesh, the idiocy of trolling.

Yeh jeez I forgot you guys only believe allegations. Actual deathss cut in half is questionable. TDS that's all this is.

The study simply isn't double-blind.
That's the reality. So, of course, it's "questionable".
But it's a potentially important lead in where a controlled study may find significant benefit, especially in some form of cocktail with other drugs in certain sorts of early cases. That's been an understood hypothesis for some time, this analysis (not a controlled study) bolsters, not proves, that hypothesis.

Whether this will prove out or not remains to be seen, as well as whether it will actually be the best course for those patients, among other alternatives.

Personally, I don't give a hoot what the best therapies are, I'm heartened by the doc's who are reporting that the various ways they are treating patients, the learning that has happened, is indeed saving more and more lives among those who get sick.

What I do think is repugnant are claims that are simply false or hugely exaggerated, intended to give a false sense of security such that we don't take the simple steps necessary to dramatically reduce the spread while these therapies, and ultimately a vaccine, are achieved.

It's just gross.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Hey JHU I have my doubts this Doctors ever heard of you either

https://www.web24.news/u/2020/05/didier ... quine.html

“Early diagnosis, early isolation and early treatment with at least three days of hydroxychloroquine-Azithromycin (HCQ-AZ) results in significantly better clinical outcome and contagiousness in patients with Covid-19 than others. treatments “, ensures the study produced by Professor Raoult.

This study is based on “the clinical management of 3,737 patients, including 3,054 (81.7%) treated with HCQ-AZ for at least three days and 683 (18.3%) patients treated with other methods . ”

How is CNN gonna walk back their previous reporting with the new studies? Oh that’s right, they’ll pretend they never said anything.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/health/h ... index.html

Did you read (much less comprehend) the whole article or did you get exhausted after the first couple of paragraphs?

Sheesh, the idiocy of trolling.

Yeh jeez I forgot you guys only believe allegations. Actual deathss cut in half is questionable. TDS that's all this is.

So everyone back to work. We found the cure.

[MDlaxfan76]

Hey JHU I have my doubts this Doctors ever heard of you either

https://www.web24.news/u/2020/05/didier ... quine.html

“Early diagnosis, early isolation and early treatment with at least three days of hydroxychloroquine-Azithromycin (HCQ-AZ) results in significantly better clinical outcome and contagiousness in patients with Covid-19 than others. treatments “, ensures the study produced by Professor Raoult.

This study is based on “the clinical management of 3,737 patients, including 3,054 (81.7%) treated with HCQ-AZ for at least three days and 683 (18.3%) patients treated with other methods . ”

How is CNN gonna walk back their previous reporting with the new studies? Oh that’s right, they’ll pretend they never said anything.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/health/h ... index.html

Did you read (much less comprehend) the whole article or did you get exhausted after the first couple of paragraphs?

Sheesh, the idiocy of trolling.

Yeh jeez I forgot you guys only believe allegations. Actual deathss cut in half is questionable. TDS that's all this is.

So everyone back to work. We found the cure.

The hell with masks and hand washing.

[a fan]

Isn't capitalism great.

you can hardly blame gilead. ok, you can, but they have a history of not caring and a leopard doesn't change his stripes.

if they didn't price it high enough, then they wouldn't get as large a write off on their donated doses. 1st and foremost to shareholders.

You can blame our idiot leaders for GIVING them $70million+ without taking a stake in the profits to pay off that initial investment.

We're paying drug companies to F us. And yet this makes sense to millions of Americans who think this is "capitalism". So Americans get to pay for these drugs twice. Smart.

[jhu72]

Well bust my buttons JHU 72 should be ashamed and as Doc Barrister would put it he and those like him actually do have blood on their hands

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... 365090002/

Hydroxychloroquine lowers COVID-19 death rate, Henry Ford Health study finds

Officials with the Michigan health system said the study found the drug “significantly” decreased the death rate of patients involved in the analysis.

The study analyzed 2,541 patients hospitalized among the system’s six hospitals between March 10 and May 2 and found 13% of those treated with hydroxychloroquine died while 26% of those who did not receive the drug died

“As doctors and scientists, we look to the data for insight,” said Steven Kalkanis, CEO of the Henry Ford Medical Group. “And the data here is clear that there was a benefit to using the drug as a treatment for sick, hospitalized patients.”

The study, published in the International Society of Infectious Disease.......

… saw this last night and thought of you. Knew you would bring this stupidity up.

NO ONE BELIEVES THE STUDY! It was not random - in fact it was as far away from random as you can get. It was not blind - in fact it was as far away from blind as you can get. Real researchers have already started criticizing it. You are better off drinking Clorox. Highly flaw methodology.



By the way, these clowns were also giving the so called Chloroquine Only cohort steroids at the same time - preferentially to that cohort. There are so many problems with this study.

[Peter Brown]

Hey JHU I have my doubts this Doctors ever heard of you either

https://www.web24.news/u/2020/05/didier ... quine.html

“Early diagnosis, early isolation and early treatment with at least three days of hydroxychloroquine-Azithromycin (HCQ-AZ) results in significantly better clinical outcome and contagiousness in patients with Covid-19 than others. treatments “, ensures the study produced by Professor Raoult.

This study is based on “the clinical management of 3,737 patients, including 3,054 (81.7%) treated with HCQ-AZ for at least three days and 683 (18.3%) patients treated with other methods . ”

How is CNN gonna walk back their previous reporting with the new studies? Oh that’s right, they’ll pretend they never said anything.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/health/h ... index.html

Did you read (much less comprehend) the whole article or did you get exhausted after the first couple of paragraphs?

Sheesh, the idiocy of trolling.

Yeh jeez I forgot you guys only believe allegations. Actual deathss cut in half is questionable. TDS that's all this is.

So everyone back to work. We found the cure.

‘Let’s just stay shut down forever’. Or, ummmmmm, until at least November 4th anyway. You know, the sky is falling until it’s not for some reason. Hmmmmmmm.

[MDlaxfan76]

Well bust my buttons JHU 72 should be ashamed and as Doc Barrister would put it he and those like him actually do have blood on their hands

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... 365090002/

Hydroxychloroquine lowers COVID-19 death rate, Henry Ford Health study finds

Officials with the Michigan health system said the study found the drug “significantly” decreased the death rate of patients involved in the analysis.

The study analyzed 2,541 patients hospitalized among the system’s six hospitals between March 10 and May 2 and found 13% of those treated with hydroxychloroquine died while 26% of those who did not receive the drug died

“As doctors and scientists, we look to the data for insight,” said Steven Kalkanis, CEO of the Henry Ford Medical Group. “And the data here is clear that there was a benefit to using the drug as a treatment for sick, hospitalized patients.”

The study, published in the International Society of Infectious Disease.......

… saw this last night and thought of you. Knew you would bring this stupidity up.

NO ONE BELIEVES THE STUDY! It was not random - in fact it was as far away from random as you can get. It was not blind - in fact it was as far away from blind as you can get. Real researchers have already started criticizing it. You are better off drinking Clorox. Highly flaw methodology.

well...let's just say that there was some cherry picking in this analysis and we need to have an actual controlled study on a particular drug cocktail and with a particular set of patient conditions to know whether it proves out to be useful for such patient condition.

We know it's not a good prophylactic because that's been studied, and we know it's not helpful in later stage patients because that's been studied, but maybe, just maybe, there's an earlier set of conditions of symptomatic patients with certain co-morbidities or lack thereof in which this drug, with others, will be effective...

Better than Clorox.

But no "cure".

[MDlaxfan76]

Hey JHU I have my doubts this Doctors ever heard of you either

https://www.web24.news/u/2020/05/didier ... quine.html

“Early diagnosis, early isolation and early treatment with at least three days of hydroxychloroquine-Azithromycin (HCQ-AZ) results in significantly better clinical outcome and contagiousness in patients with Covid-19 than others. treatments “, ensures the study produced by Professor Raoult.

This study is based on “the clinical management of 3,737 patients, including 3,054 (81.7%) treated with HCQ-AZ for at least three days and 683 (18.3%) patients treated with other methods . ”

How is CNN gonna walk back their previous reporting with the new studies? Oh that’s right, they’ll pretend they never said anything.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/health/h ... index.html

Did you read (much less comprehend) the whole article or did you get exhausted after the first couple of paragraphs?

Sheesh, the idiocy of trolling.

Yeh jeez I forgot you guys only believe allegations. Actual deathss cut in half is questionable. TDS that's all this is.

So everyone back to work. We found the cure.

‘Let’s just stay shut down forever’. Or, ummmmmm, until at least November 4th anyway. You know, the sky is falling until it’s not for some reason. Hmmmmmmm.

more idiotic trolling.
No one on here wants to "stay shut down forever" or for that matter to have to shut down at all.
130k dead, huge spikes in cases, not 'going away magically in April'...

Wear the darn masks, socially distance!

Do that, and we can go to work and do some play while the docs and scientists figure out the therapies and vaccines.

Business does better, people do better, fewer die, fewer survivors with damaged lungs, hearts, kidneys...

[6ftstick]

Well bust my buttons JHU 72 should be ashamed and as Doc Barrister would put it he and those like him actually do have blood on their hands

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... 365090002/

Hydroxychloroquine lowers COVID-19 death rate, Henry Ford Health study finds

Officials with the Michigan health system said the study found the drug “significantly” decreased the death rate of patients involved in the analysis.

The study analyzed 2,541 patients hospitalized among the system’s six hospitals between March 10 and May 2 and found 13% of those treated with hydroxychloroquine died while 26% of those who did not receive the drug died

“As doctors and scientists, we look to the data for insight,” said Steven Kalkanis, CEO of the Henry Ford Medical Group. “And the data here is clear that there was a benefit to using the drug as a treatment for sick, hospitalized patients.”

The study, published in the International Society of Infectious Disease.......

… saw this last night and thought of you. Knew you would bring this stupidity up.

NO ONE BELIEVES THE STUDY! It was not random - in fact it was as far away from random as you can get. It was not blind - in fact it was as far away from blind as you can get. Real researchers have already started criticizing it. You are better off drinking Clorox. Highly flaw methodology.

well...let's just say that there was some cherry picking in this analysis and we need to have an actual controlled study on a particular drug cocktail and with a particular set of patient conditions to know whether it proves out to be useful for such patient condition.

We know it's not a good prophylactic because that's been studied, and we know it's not helpful in later stage patients because that's been studied, but maybe, just maybe, there's an earlier set of conditions of symptomatic patients with certain co-morbidities or lack thereof in which this drug, with others, will be effective...

Better than Clorox.

But no "cure".

So the Officials with the Michigan health system

CEO of the Henry Ford Medical Group

and the International Society of Infectious Disease.

Are all idiots

add them to your list of little Debbie Birx

and Didier Raoult and the 6500 Docors that prescribe it around the world

Your arrogance is really astounding