I'm just not as sure about all this as you seem to be.wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:22 pmCU77 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:19 pmTry reading the entire actual memo, instead of right-wing blogs that misleadingly excerpt bits of it:ChairmanOfTheBoard wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:01 pm here's an interesting story- from CU Boulder: https://www.legitgov.org/cu-boulder-adm ... s-accepted
https://www.colorado.edu/today/newslett ... y-behaviorsorry, mdlax. you don't get to play what if on this one. only in your mind if you can't come to terms. there are circumstances where that could apply, but not here.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:39 amYup, it certainly would appear that the break down of order, killing, rape etc took the moral steam out of the protest. My guess is that made it easier to make the move, both from a public perception that it was justified and inside there may well have been an acceptance of the inevitability. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if some of those protestors were sickened by the breakdown in the internal order and simply left or stood aside.wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:45 amwhat happened in the last week+, after the 1st shootings and killing (along with other reports), that made the chop patrol less able to guard their flank in the dawn hours?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:27 am sheesh, do you guys want Branch Davidian outcome or CHOP outcome?
Make up your minds...
Of course the deaths and rape and destruction are appalling. But they did it to themselves, undermining the whole notion of taking and controlling ground with no civil order.
So, yeah, I approve of how the Seattle police, courts, and mayor handled this problem, given much worse alternatives. No anarchist heroes, no martyrs.
did they all of a sudden become vulnerable to sleeping in?
it seems the mayor's over/under was 2. yours may have been higher, but whether it was polling or public sentiment, buying in finally to a plan from the local force got greenlit.
We'll never know what would have happened with a police assault earlier in this process. Would it have been simple to execute, no sweat, or would it have been met with rage and more violence, spawning even more outbreaks?
there were several shootings and a killing before this one. same circumstances. same chop army patrolling.
the mayor obviously didn't have a plan at the outset.
tried to negotiate and plea her way out of it, and all that did was drop another body. or 2.
you projecting "2 is enough" by the chop crowd is just that. 2 (or 3) was only enough for the mayor. we know how it turned out, bc it happened.
We do know what happened. (or at least we mostly know)
No argument, except insofar as this wasn't passive citizens who fell victim to some criminals.
Nope, it was people doing the stupid stuff that people do in mobs.
The perps should be punished.
However, we don't know what would have happened had the police gone in heavy early.
Do you?
You sure it wouldn't have been a blood bath?
Some of these folks were armed.
And then what?
What we also know from how it played out is there were no martyrs.
And this particular sort of 'protest' lost a ton of 'legitimacy' if it ever had any at all. I don't think anyone on here was ever cheering this sort of action on. But much more important than folks like us, it lost legitimacy with fellow protesters. It backfired.
Or at least that's my current take.