Race in America - Riots Explode in Chicago

[wgdsr]

sheesh, do you guys want Branch Davidian outcome or CHOP outcome?
Make up your minds...

Of course the deaths and rape and destruction are appalling. But they did it to themselves, undermining the whole notion of taking and controlling ground with no civil order.

So, yeah, I approve of how the Seattle police, courts, and mayor handled this problem, given much worse alternatives. No anarchist heroes, no martyrs.

what happened in the last week+, after the 1st shootings and killing (along with other reports), that made the chop patrol less able to guard their flank in the dawn hours?

did they all of a sudden become vulnerable to sleeping in?

it seems the mayor's over/under was 2. yours may have been higher, but whether it was polling or public sentiment, buying in finally to a plan from the local force got greenlit.

[Peter Brown]

sheesh, do you guys want Branch Davidian outcome or CHOP outcome?
Make up your minds...

Of course the deaths and rape and destruction are appalling. But they did it to themselves, undermining the whole notion of taking and controlling ground with no civil order.

So, yeah, I approve of how the Seattle police, courts, and mayor handled this problem, given much worse alternatives. No anarchist heroes, no martyrs.

I am very confused. Are you saying the two young black children of 16 and 14 year old's 'did it to themselves', ie: got murdered because they are, what exactly?

Anyway, as most sentient humans know, any area without law will ultimately fall prey to the worst elements. MD excuses the anarchy of CHOP because it was a Democratic Party movement; he would not have the same generosity of 3 allowable murders had this been, say, Clivedon Bundy.

[MDlaxfan76]

sheesh, do you guys want Branch Davidian outcome or CHOP outcome?
Make up your minds...

Of course the deaths and rape and destruction are appalling. But they did it to themselves, undermining the whole notion of taking and controlling ground with no civil order.

So, yeah, I approve of how the Seattle police, courts, and mayor handled this problem, given much worse alternatives. No anarchist heroes, no martyrs.

I am very confused. Are you saying the two young black children of 16 and 14 year old's 'did it to themselves', ie: got murdered because they are, what exactly?

Anyway, as most sentient humans know, any area without law will ultimately fall prey to the worst elements. MD excuses the anarchy of CHOP because it was a Democratic Party movement; he would not have the same generosity of 3 allowable murders had this been, say, Clivedon Bundy.

Silly troll.
No, those who were in the CHOP were there of their own free will, without the normal civil protections in place. They were participating in this action, not passive victims. Now, some may have been there because they believed in a cause, some may have been there just to steal and rampage. But they made this choice, and the system of no civil governance simply doesn't work.

Of course, the perps should be prosecuted as normal. Period.

[MDlaxfan76]

sheesh, do you guys want Branch Davidian outcome or CHOP outcome?
Make up your minds...

Of course the deaths and rape and destruction are appalling. But they did it to themselves, undermining the whole notion of taking and controlling ground with no civil order.

So, yeah, I approve of how the Seattle police, courts, and mayor handled this problem, given much worse alternatives. No anarchist heroes, no martyrs.

what happened in the last week+, after the 1st shootings and killing (along with other reports), that made the chop patrol less able to guard their flank in the dawn hours?

did they all of a sudden become vulnerable to sleeping in?

it seems the mayor's over/under was 2. yours may have been higher, but whether it was polling or public sentiment, buying in finally to a plan from the local force got greenlit.

Yup, it certainly would appear that the break down of order, killing, rape etc took the moral steam out of the protest. My guess is that made it easier to make the move, both from a public perception that it was justified and inside there may well have been an acceptance of the inevitability. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if some of those protestors were sickened by the breakdown in the internal order and simply left or stood aside.

We'll never know what would have happened with a police assault earlier in this process. Would it have been simple to execute, no sweat, or would it have been met with rage and more violence, spawning even more outbreaks?

[Peter Brown]

sheesh, do you guys want Branch Davidian outcome or CHOP outcome?
Make up your minds...

Of course the deaths and rape and destruction are appalling. But they did it to themselves, undermining the whole notion of taking and controlling ground with no civil order.

So, yeah, I approve of how the Seattle police, courts, and mayor handled this problem, given much worse alternatives. No anarchist heroes, no martyrs.

I am very confused. Are you saying the two young black children of 16 and 14 year old's 'did it to themselves', ie: got murdered because they are, what exactly?

Anyway, as most sentient humans know, any area without law will ultimately fall prey to the worst elements. MD excuses the anarchy of CHOP because it was a Democratic Party movement; he would not have the same generosity of 3 allowable murders had this been, say, Clivedon Bundy.

Silly troll.
No, those who were in the CHOP were there of their own free will, without the normal civil protections in place. They were participating in this action, not passive victims. Now, some may have been there because they believed in a cause, some may have been there just to steal and rampage. But they made this choice, and the system of no civil governance simply doesn't work.

Of course, the perps should be prosecuted as normal. Period.

You might need better news sources to catch you up on facts so you stop excusing your new Party so transparently.

The two black kids were not part of CHOP, they were in a stolen car and headed to CHOP because they were 'fleeing someone'...CHOP Security (aka: Democratic voters) peppered their car with bullets. One kid was hit 8 times.

[tech37]

sheesh, do you guys want Branch Davidian outcome or CHOP outcome?
Make up your minds...

Of course the deaths and rape and destruction are appalling. But they did it to themselves, undermining the whole notion of taking and controlling ground with no civil order.

So, yeah, I approve of how the Seattle police, courts, and mayor handled this problem, given much worse alternatives. No anarchist heroes, no martyrs.

what happened in the last week+, after the 1st shootings and killing (along with other reports), that made the chop patrol less able to guard their flank in the dawn hours?

did they all of a sudden become vulnerable to sleeping in?

it seems the mayor's over/under was 2. yours may have been higher, but whether it was polling or public sentiment, buying in finally to a plan from the local force got greenlit.

Yup, it certainly would appear that the break down of order, killing, rape etc took the moral steam out of the protest. Moral steam? My guess is that made it easier to make the move, both from a public perception that it was justified and inside there may well have been an acceptance of the inevitability. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if some of those protestors were sickened by the breakdown in the internal order and simply left or stood aside.

We'll never know what would have happened with a police assault earlier in this process. Probably business owners in the area would not have suffered much and would have had bolstered confidence in law and order measures in their city. Would it have been simple to execute, no sweat, or would it have been met with rage and more violence, spawning even more outbreaks? A side effect of this entire Covid mess is, aside from peaceful demonstrators, it has exposed the dregs of our society. Camus would have had a field day.

[cradleandshoot]

sheesh, do you guys want Branch Davidian outcome or CHOP outcome?
Make up your minds...

Of course the deaths and rape and destruction are appalling. But they did it to themselves, undermining the whole notion of taking and controlling ground with no civil order.

So, yeah, I approve of how the Seattle police, courts, and mayor handled this problem, given much worse alternatives. No anarchist heroes, no martyrs.

I am very confused. Are you saying the two young black children of 16 and 14 year old's 'did it to themselves', ie: got murdered because they are, what exactly?

Anyway, as most sentient humans know, any area without law will ultimately fall prey to the worst elements. MD excuses the anarchy of CHOP because it was a Democratic Party movement; he would not have the same generosity of 3 allowable murders had this been, say, Clivedon Bundy.

Silly troll.
No, those who were in the CHOP were there of their own free will, without the normal civil protections in place. They were participating in this action, not passive victims. Now, some may have been there because they believed in a cause, some may have been there just to steal and rampage. But they made this choice, and the system of no civil governance simply doesn't work.

Of course, the perps should be prosecuted as normal. Period.

Holy smokes MD, this is the biggest bunch of horeschit you have posted here in a very long time. When I just said the other day that some of your posts smacked of elitist bullchit... right on cue you step up to prove me right . If you are a decent human being, release your brother in law from your basement prison and allow him the freedom to speak his mind. FREE MDs BROTHER IN LAW, FREE MDs BROTHER IN LAW, FREE MDs BROTHER IN LAW. Why is he being kept as a prisoner in the basement? Why is he forced to listen to Fox news 24/7? Why MD would you practice such inhumanity to your own family. You gots some splainin to do. The United Nations has been been notified of your human rights violations. You should be ashamed of yourself there sport.

[ChairmanOfTheBoard]

here's an interesting story- from CU Boulder: https://www.legitgov.org/cu-boulder-adm ... s-accepted

CU-Boulder administrators issues memo to staff and students outlining strict policies on 'accepted viewpoints,' a 'non-negotiable' condition of employment
Wed, 07/01/2020 - 20:35 — legitgov
CU-Boulder administrators issues memo to staff and students outlining strict policies on 'accepted viewpoints,' a 'non-negotiable' condition of employment --CU-Boulder says a 'non-negotiable' condition of employment and enrollment is the 'need to embrace our community value.' | 01 July 2020 | In a recent memo sent by University of Colorado-Boulder officials to all students and employees, the university dictated which opinions of the recent waves of Black Lives Matter protests will be accepted by the school... On June 5, 2020, CU Boulder sent a memo to its students and faculty providing a statement on the recent uprisings. The announcement, co-written by Vice Chancellor for Diversity, Equity, and Community Engagement, Vice Chancellor for Student Affairs Akirah Bradley, and Associate Vice Chancellor the Office of Institutional Equity and Compliance and Title IX Coordinator Valerie Simons, described a supporting opinion of Black Lives Matter as a "non-negotiable condition of enrollment and employment." This statement would seem to contradict the university's previous statements on the constitutional right to freedom of speech.

"strict" policies, on "accepted viewpoints". and i thought this higher education thing was supposed to be about sharing ideas and diversity.

speaking of, here's what their mission statement says:

Values
The Colorado Creed
As a member of the Boulder community and the University of Colorado Boulder, I agree to:
Act with honor, integrity and accountability in my interactions with students, faculty, staff, and neighbors.
Respect the rights of others and accept our differences.
Contribute to the greater good of this community.
These values are reinforced by our Inclusive Excellence Initiative. CU Boulder’s identity is defined by respect for diversity and inclusivity.


or even this: https://www.colorado.edu/odece/diversit ... excellence

The University of Colorado Boulder exemplifies excellence through diversity* by:

Creating a welcoming and inclusive environment
Deepening our ability to share and to engage with diverse perspectives
Maximizing the success and inclusion of all students, staff and faculty

it gets a bit worse though-

Engage in Effective Communication: open dialogue, listening and communication, being respectful of each other's unique backgrounds and perspectives. Ensure that key and critical information is shared within the unit and provide timely information across the campus community.

*Diversity and diverse are here meant to include but are not limited to cultural differences, race/ethnicity, color, national origin, sex, pregnancy, age, (dis)ability, creed, religious or spiritual beliefs, sexual orientation, socioeconomic status, class, gender identity, gender expression, veteran status, political affiliation, or political philosophy. Please also refer to Regent Policy 10P.

[Typical Lax Dad]

All in: https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-c ... zi-1514950

[Peter Brown]

All in: https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-c ... zi-1514950

To say the Left has lost its mind doesn't begin to do it justice.

If Trump dropped a deuce and it had a peculiarly familiar arc, TDS-addled Democrats (TDS?) would say he purposely makes his deuces look like Hitler's mustache.

The shirt has an eagle's emblem, ffs. Have you insane yo-yo's ever noticed that many of the coins we used to carry had the bald eagle?!?!?

[MDlaxfan76]

sheesh, do you guys want Branch Davidian outcome or CHOP outcome?
Make up your minds...

Of course the deaths and rape and destruction are appalling. But they did it to themselves, undermining the whole notion of taking and controlling ground with no civil order.

So, yeah, I approve of how the Seattle police, courts, and mayor handled this problem, given much worse alternatives. No anarchist heroes, no martyrs.

I am very confused. Are you saying the two young black children of 16 and 14 year old's 'did it to themselves', ie: got murdered because they are, what exactly?

Anyway, as most sentient humans know, any area without law will ultimately fall prey to the worst elements. MD excuses the anarchy of CHOP because it was a Democratic Party movement; he would not have the same generosity of 3 allowable murders had this been, say, Clivedon Bundy.

Silly troll.
No, those who were in the CHOP were there of their own free will, without the normal civil protections in place. They were participating in this action, not passive victims. Now, some may have been there because they believed in a cause, some may have been there just to steal and rampage. But they made this choice, and the system of no civil governance simply doesn't work.

Of course, the perps should be prosecuted as normal. Period.

Holy smokes MD, this is the biggest bunch of horeschit you have posted here in a very long time. When I just said the other day that some of your posts smacked of elitist bullchit... right on cue you step up to prove me right . If you are a decent human being, release your brother in law from your basement prison and allow him the freedom to speak his mind. FREE MDs BROTHER IN LAW, FREE MDs BROTHER IN LAW, FREE MDs BROTHER IN LAW. Why is he being kept as a prisoner in the basement? Why is he forced to listen to Fox news 24/7? Why MD would you practice such inhumanity to your own family. You gots some splainin to do. The United Nations has been been notified of your human rights violations. You should be ashamed of yourself there sport.

huh?

[MDlaxfan76]

All in: https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-c ... zi-1514950

To say the Left has lost its mind doesn't begin to do it justice.

If Trump dropped a deuce and it had a peculiarly familiar arc, TDS-addled Democrats (TDS?) would say he purposely makes his deuces look like Hitler's mustache.

The shirt has an eagle's emblem, ffs. Have you insane yo-yo's ever noticed that many of the coins we used to carry had the bald eagle?!?!?

Clearly the American Nazi movement would immediately say that it looks nothing like their symbol, right? After all, the eagle is looking the other direction!

Nope, they would think this is a snub to their views...

[CU77]

here's an interesting story- from CU Boulder: https://www.legitgov.org/cu-boulder-adm ... s-accepted

Try reading the entire actual memo, instead of right-wing blogs that misleadingly excerpt bits of it:

https://www.colorado.edu/today/newslett ... y-behavior

[wgdsr]

here's an interesting story- from CU Boulder: https://www.legitgov.org/cu-boulder-adm ... s-accepted

Try reading the entire actual memo, instead of right-wing blogs that misleadingly excerpt bits of it:

https://www.colorado.edu/today/newslett ... y-behavior

sheesh, do you guys want Branch Davidian outcome or CHOP outcome?
Make up your minds...

Of course the deaths and rape and destruction are appalling. But they did it to themselves, undermining the whole notion of taking and controlling ground with no civil order.

So, yeah, I approve of how the Seattle police, courts, and mayor handled this problem, given much worse alternatives. No anarchist heroes, no martyrs.

what happened in the last week+, after the 1st shootings and killing (along with other reports), that made the chop patrol less able to guard their flank in the dawn hours?

did they all of a sudden become vulnerable to sleeping in?

it seems the mayor's over/under was 2. yours may have been higher, but whether it was polling or public sentiment, buying in finally to a plan from the local force got greenlit.

Yup, it certainly would appear that the break down of order, killing, rape etc took the moral steam out of the protest. My guess is that made it easier to make the move, both from a public perception that it was justified and inside there may well have been an acceptance of the inevitability. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if some of those protestors were sickened by the breakdown in the internal order and simply left or stood aside.

We'll never know what would have happened with a police assault earlier in this process. Would it have been simple to execute, no sweat, or would it have been met with rage and more violence, spawning even more outbreaks?

sorry, mdlax. you don't get to play what if on this one. only in your mind if you can't come to terms. there are circumstances where that could apply, but not here.

there were several shootings and a killing before this one. same circumstances. same chop army patrolling.

the mayor obviously didn't have a plan at the outset.
tried to negotiate and plea her way out of it, and all that did was drop another body. or 2.

you projecting "2 is enough" by the chop crowd is just that. 2 (or 3) was only enough for the mayor. we know how it turned out, bc it happened.

[Peter Brown]

here's an interesting story- from CU Boulder: https://www.legitgov.org/cu-boulder-adm ... s-accepted

Try reading the entire actual memo, instead of right-wing blogs that misleadingly excerpt bits of it:

https://www.colorado.edu/today/newslett ... y-behavior

If as a student you wished to hold a sign out that said 'All Lives Matter', is there even a second's doubt you would be kicked out of school?

Democrats are book-burning speech-denying totalitarian nutcases; we should mock them, not accord them any decency.

Next.

[tech37]

What's the problem?...looks like a nice guy

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/12 ... gr%5Etweet

[cradleandshoot]

https://twitter.com/RobProvince/status/ ... 1471437826

It made my day watching this woman get kicked in the face. I hope it hurt and bled a lot. I'm glad the horse is okay. I wonder if the horse will be suspended and charged with a crime?

[ChairmanOfTheBoard]

here's an interesting story- from CU Boulder: https://www.legitgov.org/cu-boulder-adm ... s-accepted

Try reading the entire actual memo, instead of right-wing blogs that misleadingly excerpt bits of it:

https://www.colorado.edu/today/newslett ... y-behavior

what am i missing here...

they say BLM wants change... next sentence says:

These changes must be seen in how we recruit students, faculty, staff and administrators––in how we signal to them the need to embrace our community values as a bottom line, non-negotiable condition of enrollment and employment.

then the next sentence says:

As part of the CU community, we must set expectations for living these values as a core set of guidelines for what it means to be anti-racist in all that we do at the university.

[old salt]

Remember when the proposed solution to the Confederate statue problem was to move them out of town squares & into museums, where they could be displayed in proper context ?

What Confederate statue repository won't be in jeopardy of being overrun &/or torched by the Woke Mob ?

[MDlaxfan76]

here's an interesting story- from CU Boulder: https://www.legitgov.org/cu-boulder-adm ... s-accepted

Try reading the entire actual memo, instead of right-wing blogs that misleadingly excerpt bits of it:

https://www.colorado.edu/today/newslett ... y-behavior

sheesh, do you guys want Branch Davidian outcome or CHOP outcome?
Make up your minds...

Of course the deaths and rape and destruction are appalling. But they did it to themselves, undermining the whole notion of taking and controlling ground with no civil order.

So, yeah, I approve of how the Seattle police, courts, and mayor handled this problem, given much worse alternatives. No anarchist heroes, no martyrs.

what happened in the last week+, after the 1st shootings and killing (along with other reports), that made the chop patrol less able to guard their flank in the dawn hours?

did they all of a sudden become vulnerable to sleeping in?

it seems the mayor's over/under was 2. yours may have been higher, but whether it was polling or public sentiment, buying in finally to a plan from the local force got greenlit.

Yup, it certainly would appear that the break down of order, killing, rape etc took the moral steam out of the protest. My guess is that made it easier to make the move, both from a public perception that it was justified and inside there may well have been an acceptance of the inevitability. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if some of those protestors were sickened by the breakdown in the internal order and simply left or stood aside.

We'll never know what would have happened with a police assault earlier in this process. Would it have been simple to execute, no sweat, or would it have been met with rage and more violence, spawning even more outbreaks?

sorry, mdlax. you don't get to play what if on this one. only in your mind if you can't come to terms. there are circumstances where that could apply, but not here.

there were several shootings and a killing before this one. same circumstances. same chop army patrolling.

the mayor obviously didn't have a plan at the outset.
tried to negotiate and plea her way out of it, and all that did was drop another body. or 2.

you projecting "2 is enough" by the chop crowd is just that. 2 (or 3) was only enough for the mayor. we know how it turned out, bc it happened.

I'm just not as sure about all this as you seem to be.

We do know what happened. (or at least we mostly know)
No argument, except insofar as this wasn't passive citizens who fell victim to some criminals.
Nope, it was people doing the stupid stuff that people do in mobs.
The perps should be punished.

However, we don't know what would have happened had the police gone in heavy early.

Do you?
You sure it wouldn't have been a blood bath?
Some of these folks were armed.

And then what?

What we also know from how it played out is there were no martyrs.
And this particular sort of 'protest' lost a ton of 'legitimacy' if it ever had any at all. I don't think anyone on here was ever cheering this sort of action on. But much more important than folks like us, it lost legitimacy with fellow protesters. It backfired.

Or at least that's my current take.