I'm not ok with it. Don't like the tactic at all of what is happening in Seattle.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:07 am"Can people leave freely?"MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:28 pmGood hypothetical.wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:26 pmso we're at 4 shootings, 2 killings, another at least in critical. in addition to alleged rape, robbery, assault. we'll leave the whole occupying and destroying property bit out...MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:01 pmI'm sure the Mayor is frustrated. More than you.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:52 pmSo what does the leadership of Seattle do if these folks refuse to leave? The status quo is not acceptable. There has to be an ultimatum given to these people real soon. It is real simple... leave on your own or you will leave on terms you will not like. There is no group of people that have the right to take over private property and claim it for themselves. These people are breaking the law. There should be no negotiating. Leave or you all will be forcefully removed and charged with any and all appropriate crimes.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:51 amIt's a great question, cradle, and please don't think that my belief is all is cool with what's happening in Seattle at this time. But a use of force would be the opposite of what is called for, indeed would be most effective in the long haul, in this very moment of protest against the use of brutal force by the police.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:38 amSo anybody with a legitimate grievance should be allowed to take matters into their own hands and act independently of any local government? That sounds more like anarchy to me than anything else. I guess so long as you have good intentions your methods are then justified? Why don't we let people become vigilantes next? Their intentions are good, give payback to all those bad folks. You know as well as I do the courts can't get it right. Is there a line to be drawn here MD? I'm just asking.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:22 amOf course.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:13 amYeah, the situation there in Seattle is nothing short of Shangri La. Peace and love interspersed with a little gunfire here and there.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:00 amI saw this on CNN.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:36 am White Antifa terrorists shoot and murder two underage black males in Seattle’s CHOP.
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How is this not the lead story on every network right now?
That’s right, the media does anything to bend over backwards for Democrats.
Had the shooters been police, the media and certain Fanlax Democrats couldn’t shut up.
However, nowhere in the article you posted is the shooter or shooters described as "White Antifa terrorists" or remotely close to such. Instead, it sounds like the boys may have been stealing a car? Not even clear who started the shooting, much less the race of the participants other than the boys.
The police chief has a challenge on her hands, sounds like they're handling well so far. Mayor apparently had a good face to face with the protestors.
People will behave badly, given time.
Even those communes of the hippy era had their breakdowns (see Manson) and this is no commune!
It's an interesting little microcosm that may actually help folks understand why we do need representative government and police etc. The issue is whether the government and the police truly do represent the best interests and desires of the people they govern and 'protect'. Unfortunately, government and police have way too often failed to do so. So we have protests demanding change that was not accomplished through regular order.
Sometimes a nail calls for a hammer, sometimes you need the screw driver. It's important to know the difference.
But I disagree that such an ultimatum would do more than harden opposition.
IMO, Patience is a virtue in such situations.
These protests are sweeping the world, and we're far from done with them here in the US.
Force just ain't the answer.
But time will tell if the Mayor has charted the best course.
This violence inside seems to have created at least some dialogue.
you're good to date with the patience and that the violence is at least creating some dialogue...
my question or hypothetical is:
what's the over/under on body count before any switching gears might correctly be in the offing?
i'd offer 50 is way too high but i don't want to speak for you. single digits somewhere? higher? it depends?
I quite agree that anarchy can be really ugly, but is there anyone being held captive?
Can people leave freely?
I think it may well be better to have folks get fed up with ' non-self-government' or whatever it is they think they're doing. Hopefully that comes soon.
Yes but they are restricting who they will allow in. Police officers are unwelcome, you okay with that?
My question went to tactics in response.
Koresh had a death cult, with children as total victims.
People could NOT leave.
Seattle doesn't pose this sort of problem.
So, patience doesn't have the same risk.
If one really wanted a "war", full scale armed violence against the police, spreading across the country then the tactic would be to roll tanks or tank-like vehicles through the CHOP, kill a bunch of protestors in the process, imprison the rest. The country would explode, no holds barred.
There ARE people rooting for that to happen.
Both left and right nut jobs.
And some politicians who think 'Law and Order' is a way to win elections otherwise slipping away.