Agreed WRT to Jefferson and Washington....they certainly were going to battle for all the right reasons.jhu72 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:31 pm… Jefferson will be just fine. At some point the consensus is made clear. Right now you have folks grinding their axes in the street with little to no leadership in some cases. Jefferson is an international symbol. He belongs to the democracy loving world, not just America. This burns itself out once movement leadership across the board understands what they are doing is stupid. Risking progress made. The same rules apply to the protesters as apply to the police. They can only get away with what the nation's majority thinks is reasonable.wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:17 pmjefferson didn't have a good last week.jhu72 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:43 am Peanut Butters is just being a fear merchant trying to whip up white resentment (like the good ole days) and he is being no more successful than his fearless leader. His defense is don't give an inch because "the other" will take it all. This has been the defense for his type forever and it has worked out so well for all concerned. He whines when the left reacts to his behavior.
Jefferson, Washington and Jesus are all safe, even with their imperfections. There are some like Key (who was a well known racist) that will require serious consideration - rightly so. Does the anthem itself sans third verse have to go? That is very far from clear. Of course some will argue it must go, but I am pretty certain a vast majority will argue otherwise. MDlax is 100% correct - public honorifics for traitors and racists (with no saving grace) - time is up. Such discussions are long past due.
So as not to confuse folks like Peanut Butters - I am a son of Virginia and the South. I am not even a little concerned that confederate soldiers, the confederacy itself, its leadership or the cause are going to be written out of history - the common repeated history will just become more factual - fact based. The south has been slowly, daily, rewriting history since the day after Appomattox. They have successfully taken traitors, losers, and turned them into heroes in the eyes of some.
googled "jefferson statue".
https://www.komu.com/news/faculty-group ... son-statue
https://www.columbiamissourian.com/news ... aa787.html
https://patch.com/georgia/decatur/thoma ... ut-storage
https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/202 ... chool.html
https://www.newsday.com/long-island/edu ... 1.46045690
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/n ... l/2471910/
w&m isn't so sure after 2 attempts, to deface and pull down the statue:
http://flathatnews.com/2020/06/24/as-st ... on-statue/
op ed's are rolling in:
https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2020/0 ... o-letters/
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/06/24/am ... jefferson/
maybe there are 200? 500? more? jefferson statues around. including at the memorial. maybe that's it, the rest are all safe if they're still standing. that would seem to be a hard left from the trend of recent days, but ya never know.
Certainly wish there was some leadership to settle the frenzied reactive masses....where is someone like MLK.