Race in America - Riots Explode in Chicago

[youthathletics]

Peanut Butters is just being a fear merchant trying to whip up white resentment (like the good ole days) and he is being no more successful than his fearless leader. His defense is don't give an inch because "the other" will take it all. This has been the defense for his type forever and it has worked out so well for all concerned. He whines when the left reacts to his behavior.

Jefferson, Washington and Jesus are all safe, even with their imperfections. There are some like Key (who was a well known racist) that will require serious consideration - rightly so. Does the anthem itself sans third verse have to go? That is very far from clear. Of course some will argue it must go, but I am pretty certain a vast majority will argue otherwise. MDlax is 100% correct - public honorifics for traitors and racists (with no saving grace) - time is up. Such discussions are long past due.

So as not to confuse folks like Peanut Butters - I am a son of Virginia and the South. I am not even a little concerned that confederate soldiers, the confederacy itself, its leadership or the cause are going to be written out of history - the common repeated history will just become more factual - fact based. The south has been slowly, daily, rewriting history since the day after Appomattox. They have successfully taken traitors, losers, and turned them into heroes in the eyes of some.

jefferson didn't have a good last week.
googled "jefferson statue".
https://www.komu.com/news/faculty-group ... son-statue
https://www.columbiamissourian.com/news ... aa787.html
https://patch.com/georgia/decatur/thoma ... ut-storage
https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/202 ... chool.html
https://www.newsday.com/long-island/edu ... 1.46045690
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/n ... l/2471910/
w&m isn't so sure after 2 attempts, to deface and pull down the statue:
http://flathatnews.com/2020/06/24/as-st ... on-statue/
op ed's are rolling in:
https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2020/0 ... o-letters/
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/06/24/am ... jefferson/

maybe there are 200? 500? more? jefferson statues around. including at the memorial. maybe that's it, the rest are all safe if they're still standing. that would seem to be a hard left from the trend of recent days, but ya never know.

… Jefferson will be just fine. At some point the consensus is made clear. Right now you have folks grinding their axes in the street with little to no leadership in some cases. Jefferson is an international symbol. He belongs to the democracy loving world, not just America. This burns itself out once movement leadership across the board understands what they are doing is stupid. Risking progress made. The same rules apply to the protesters as apply to the police. They can only get away with what the nation's majority thinks is reasonable.

Agreed WRT to Jefferson and Washington....they certainly were going to battle for all the right reasons.

Certainly wish there was some leadership to settle the frenzied reactive masses....where is someone like MLK.

[DMac]

Or you can join the Navy and go out in the middle of the ocean when it's pitch black out.
Quite a show, promise ya.
Impressive stuff, Red.

[old salt]

The NASCAR noose was a garage door pull rope that had been in that garage since last OCT. ..

https://www.tmz.com/2020/06/23/bubba-wa ... ay-nascar/

How many garage door pulls have you seen that look like this? A simple loop would have accomplished the purpose of raising the door - that's what 99% of the people in this country would have done to deal with the problem

IMHO they were correct to call the authorities - at that time they had no way of knowing how long it had been there and whether it was directed at them or not.

Why didn't NASCAR call the FBI in Oct 19 when that "noose" was hanging over the Menard team's car ?
Was that the only garage with a knot like that on the garage door pull rope ?
That knot was a way to create a pull loop at the proper height without the excess rope tail being in the way.
Consult a Boy Scout or Bosun's Mate about how to tie a knot for the task at hand.

Would not have expected anything less from you Old Friend. How is the race war progressing today?

It's becoming increasingly laughable, thanks to the race baiters clinging to stories like this.

[cradleandshoot]

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Cradle - New knowledge is discovered every day and the record is often corrected quite soon after. As an example, it was acknowledged publicly some time after Magellan circumnavigated the globe in 1519 that the world was a sphere and not flat. In fact, the king of Spain issued him a Coat of Arms whose motto was Primus circumdedisti me (in Latin, "You went around me first").

So, it seems to me, that there is no issue with promptly correcting things that are subsequently discovered to be incorrect, wrong or insensitive at the time they are discovered to be so. In fact, the longer it takes to do so the worse the potential adverse reaction IMHO.

Actually - the knowledge that the world was a sphere is thousands of years old, at least among educated people. Pretty easy to argue from lunar eclipses from the shape of the Earth's shadow on the Moon.

Erastosthenes in around 300 BCE actually used geometry and solar shadows to estimate the circumference of the world, and depending on how you translate the Roman measurement of stadia into modern measures was anywhere from a couple of percent to ten percent or so off the correct value. Not bad at all given no real technology (the ability to build a deep well, and tall obelisks).

Given that there was general knowledge about the rough size of the Earth, what Columbus' genius was in convincing his financiers that he had done a better job of measuring the same thing (getting a dramatically smaller value) and therefore the journey to India became feasible using the ship technology of the day.

Got lucky that there was something in between.

BTW, I teach this every time I have an Astronomy class (from 1992 to present).

That is some great knowledge you are imparting on us red. When my kids were young we were camping in Alleghany State Park. They had a late night astronomy lesson that met in the middle of a big old field just after sunset. Once it started getting really dark it was like the curtain was raised up on the show. All of a sudden like magic the sky came alive with all of the little lanterns twinkling on and off in the night sky. The lady in charge explained everything that we were seeing. The coolest thing was watching one object that looked like a star but was moving across the sky in a strait line. They were satellites and they were so cool to watch. You will never see that show living in the city. When you are way out in the middle of nowhere... what a show in the night sky.

Thx from me too red - gratified that you responded to my post with even more relevant historical information.

Ditto for me as well Red - thx for taking my initial post to the next level.
Cradle regarding astronomy - Fortunately, I had the opportunity to spend time in northern areas near the Canadian border and experienced aurora borealis in real time. If you ever have the chance to do this, jump on it as it is one of the most incredible visually striking demonstrations of Mother Nature in action on the planet - while you are it if you are ever in NYC check on the Hayden Planetarium/Rose Center - that's pretty cool as well.

When I was in the Army we spent 3 weeks in Ft Greely Alaska doing extreme cold weather training. One night on guard duty outside our tent at around 3am I witnessed the most amazing display of the Northern lights. I did not know what the hell it was at first. It looked like fluorescent glowing globs of blue and green that kept moving across the sky always changing shapes. It was not until the next day when I told everybody about this miraculous event I witnessed when they burst my bubble and told me it was the Northern lights. If you have to be standing outside at 20 below any entertainment is welcome indeed.

[Typical Lax Dad]

The NASCAR noose was a garage door pull rope that had been in that garage since last OCT. ..

https://www.tmz.com/2020/06/23/bubba-wa ... ay-nascar/

How many garage door pulls have you seen that look like this? A simple loop would have accomplished the purpose of raising the door - that's what 99% of the people in this country would have done to deal with the problem

IMHO they were correct to call the authorities - at that time they had no way of knowing how long it had been there and whether it was directed at them or not.

Why didn't NASCAR call the FBI in Oct 19 when that "noose" was hanging over the Menard team's car ?
Was that the only garage with a knot like that on the garage door pull rope ?
That knot was a way to create a pull loop at the proper height without the excess rope tail being in the way.
Consult a Boy Scout or Bosun's Mate about how to tie a knot for the task at hand.

Would not have expected anything less from you Old Friend. How is the race war progressing today?

It's becoming increasingly laughable, thanks to the race baiters clinging to stories like this.

Who is clinging too it? A story was published today. Bubba is a fool. Anyone in there right mind can see that’s a garage pull. Aren’t you the guy that said we have a race war on our hands?

[old salt]

The NASCAR noose was a garage door pull rope that had been in that garage since last OCT. ..

https://www.tmz.com/2020/06/23/bubba-wa ... ay-nascar/

How many garage door pulls have you seen that look like this? A simple loop would have accomplished the purpose of raising the door - that's what 99% of the people in this country would have done to deal with the problem

IMHO they were correct to call the authorities - at that time they had no way of knowing how long it had been there and whether it was directed at them or not.

Why didn't NASCAR call the FBI in Oct 19 when that "noose" was hanging over the Menard team's car ?
Was that the only garage with a knot like that on the garage door pull rope ?
That knot was a way to create a pull loop at the proper height without the excess rope tail being in the way.
Consult a Boy Scout or Bosun's Mate about how to tie a knot for the task at hand.

Would not have expected anything less from you Old Friend. How is the race war progressing today?

It's becoming increasingly laughable, thanks to the race baiters clinging to stories like this.

Who is clinging too it? A story was published today. Bubba is a fool. Anyone in there right mind can see that’s a garage pull. Aren’t you the guy that said we have a race war on our hands?

I never said Bubba's a fool. I think his statement was great. The fools are those who can't find the humor in this rush to judgement & continue to try to find something sinister in the assignment of garage #4 to the #43 team.

[old salt]

I thought Joe Biden killed Cornbread.

[Typical Lax Dad]

The NASCAR noose was a garage door pull rope that had been in that garage since last OCT. ..

https://www.tmz.com/2020/06/23/bubba-wa ... ay-nascar/

How many garage door pulls have you seen that look like this? A simple loop would have accomplished the purpose of raising the door - that's what 99% of the people in this country would have done to deal with the problem

IMHO they were correct to call the authorities - at that time they had no way of knowing how long it had been there and whether it was directed at them or not.

Why didn't NASCAR call the FBI in Oct 19 when that "noose" was hanging over the Menard team's car ?
Was that the only garage with a knot like that on the garage door pull rope ?
That knot was a way to create a pull loop at the proper height without the excess rope tail being in the way.
Consult a Boy Scout or Bosun's Mate about how to tie a knot for the task at hand.

Would not have expected anything less from you Old Friend. How is the race war progressing today?

It's becoming increasingly laughable, thanks to the race baiters clinging to stories like this.

Who is clinging too it? A story was published today. Bubba is a fool. Anyone in there right mind can see that’s a garage pull. Aren’t you the guy that said we have a race war on our hands?

I never said Bubba's a fool. I think his statement was great. The fools are those who can't find the humor in this rush to judgement & continue to try to find something sinister in the assignment of garage #4 to the #43 team.

I am not sure anyone pointed out anything sinister after the explanation.....but someone I know pointed out that we are having a "race war".

[Typical Lax Dad]

I thought Joe Biden killed Cornbread.

He may have. That was Keith Wilkes before he changed his name. I saw that movie at the drive in when it came out. Cops have been shooting people in the backs and people in those communities have been bellyaching about it for years. Did you see it? Fishburne was good in that film. He made his mark in Apocalypse Now.

The Killed Cornbread...... Boyz in the Hood referenced that film when the kid going to college to play football was shot... dropping that in that context was not a mistake. I thought Menace II Society was a better film. That was "the" statement film for that genre.

[old salt]

You knew this was coming (and it will happen, just a matter of time) the day Kap took a knee, said it at the time.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/why ... 41108.html

Interesting.

Interesting or pathetic that people are so weak as to compromise with the Left when they keep telling you who they are and what they are after? And you think paying extortion demands with a new national anthem will solve their needs...

no, interesting because there's quite a lot of history of which so few of us are even aware.
I find that interesting, don't you?

does that history matter?
Well, maybe it should if we're going to get all exercised about needing to stand at attention, take off our hat and put our hand over our hearts when we sing a national anthem...something I've done all my life.

I'm a Baltimorean, so there's local pride in that anthem having been written here, so I do find the full history to be quite unsettling...I didn't even know about that third stanza, did you?

Didn't and don't care.

Proud of America, warts and all.

I have often remarked that most 4th of July events are now just Republicans celebrating America; that trend will get more true every year going forward. Democrats will shame you if you celebrate America. The Democratic Party is the leftist mob now, and Joe is the last normal leader who will see the nomination. Eliot Engel just lost in NY to an avowed socialist. Interesting you can't (won't?) see these things happening under your feet.

They're coming for your flag soon, MD, and please recall, it was you who said it would end with Confederate statues. You're a smart guy with low awareness, or a smart guy playing a part. One or the other.

Thanks to National Socialism, Germany has erased any trace of two decades of their history.
Apparently we need to erase two centuries of ours.

[njbill]

The original FBI statement clearly said it was a noose -- which it was. But the FBI said no crime related to Bubba Wallace. Because the noose (yes it was a noose) had been there for many months, long before Wallace had been assigned that garage.

Yes, though some reports said otherwise. Perhaps shame on me for listening to that white supremacist Tucker Carlson. I should know better given that he regularly spews lies on his show.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/tuc ... 25888.html

[Typical Lax Dad]

You knew this was coming (and it will happen, just a matter of time) the day Kap took a knee, said it at the time.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/why ... 41108.html

Interesting.

Interesting or pathetic that people are so weak as to compromise with the Left when they keep telling you who they are and what they are after? And you think paying extortion demands with a new national anthem will solve their needs...

no, interesting because there's quite a lot of history of which so few of us are even aware.
I find that interesting, don't you?

does that history matter?
Well, maybe it should if we're going to get all exercised about needing to stand at attention, take off our hat and put our hand over our hearts when we sing a national anthem...something I've done all my life.

I'm a Baltimorean, so there's local pride in that anthem having been written here, so I do find the full history to be quite unsettling...I didn't even know about that third stanza, did you?

Didn't and don't care.

Proud of America, warts and all.

I have often remarked that most 4th of July events are now just Republicans celebrating America; that trend will get more true every year going forward. Democrats will shame you if you celebrate America. The Democratic Party is the leftist mob now, and Joe is the last normal leader who will see the nomination. Eliot Engel just lost in NY to an avowed socialist. Interesting you can't (won't?) see these things happening under your feet.

They're coming for your flag soon, MD, and please recall, it was you who said it would end with Confederate statues. You're a smart guy with low awareness, or a smart guy playing a part. One or the other.

Thanks to National Socialism, Germany has erased any trace of two decades of their history.
Apparently we need to erase two centuries of ours.

BTW, you linked the YouTube I posted but you “forgot” to add this to my “race baiting”

“Your are delusional. Who said there are no bad black cops? Weren’t most of the cops that roughed up Freddy Gray black?”

[old salt]

Families of Aunt Jemima models object to the erasing of the brand/history:

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/3233423001 ... ssion=true

The family of Lillian Richard, a native of Hawkins, Texas, also spoke out against the rebranding decision.

Richard was the face of Aunt Jemima from 1925 to 1940, a Texas CBS station reported, noting signs into the town say “Home of Lillian Richard ‘Aunt Jemima.'" In 1995, the Texas Legislature passed a resolution declaring Hawkins as the "Pancake Capital of Texas."

“I wish we would take a breath and not just get rid of everything, because good or bad, it is our history,” Vera Harris, family historian for the Richard family, told KLTV. “Removing that wipes away a part of me. A part of each of us. We are proud of our cousin.”

Nuance - a lost art both here and across America

Child I “ain’t cha mama”

What say you about Vera Harris' perspective?

I can see how her family identity can be wrapped up in the notoriety that that affiliation brought. Unfortunately those images has done more harm for far more people than the good feeling it brings her family. The family can build a monument in her honor in their front yard if they want to.

Fer Pete's sake, we are talking about pancakes. I bet everybody probably ate Aunt Jemima pancakes when they were growing up. Some of us may have even put Land O Lakes butter on them. Maybe even used Log Cabin syrup. We all are a bunch of hate filled racists for eating those politically incorrect pancakes for all of those years when I was a kid. Who do I make the check out to first reparations? How much do I owe for the racist Indian women in the Land O Lakes box of butter? Log Cabin syrup... those white racist lumber Jack's that murdered all those trees just to build log cabins. Who can eat breakfast anymore without upsetting the sensitive nature of all the FLP snowflakes on thus forum.

Ruh Roh. Was Mrs Butterworth white ? The bottle was brown. Sexist for sure.
Only gay Republicans use Log Cabin now.

[njbill]

Was that the only garage with a knot like that on the garage door pull rope ?

Yes, that is the only one that was fashioned into a noose per the NASCAR investigation which looked at 1684 garage stalls. This was reported in the article I linked up thread as well as one of Kismet’s articles.

[old salt]

Was that the only garage with a knot like that on the garage door pull rope ?

Yes, that is the only one that was fashioned into a noose per the NASCAR investigation which looked at 1684 garage stalls. This was reported in the article I linked up thread as well as one of Kismet’s articles.

Given the task at hand -- creating a pull loop at a convenient height, while neatly stowing the excess rope where it won't snag or foul -- is that an appropriate use of that knot ? Shall such a knot never be used for any task ?

Hopefully the race track employee or race crew member who originally fashioned that knot, many months ago, will be identified.
Then he can be appropriately shamed, doxed, & thoroughly investigated, including his HS yearbook.

[CU88]

Was that the only garage with a knot like that on the garage door pull rope ?

Yes, that is the only one that was fashioned into a noose per the NASCAR investigation which looked at 1684 garage stalls. This was reported in the article I linked up thread as well as one of Kismet’s articles.

Get ready for all of the response's about how the FBI set this all up...

[Kismet]

Was that the only garage with a knot like that on the garage door pull rope ?

Yes, that is the only one that was fashioned into a noose per the NASCAR investigation which looked at 1684 garage stalls. This was reported in the article I linked up thread as well as one of Kismet’s articles.

Given the task at hand -- creating a pull loop at a convenient height, while neatly stowing the excess rope where it won't snag or foul -- is that an appropriate use of that knot ? Shall such a knot never be used for any task ?

Hopefully the race track employee or race crew member who originally fashioned that knot, many months ago, will be identified.
Then he can be appropriately shamed, doxed, & thoroughly investigated, including his HS yearbook.

Like i said, all nuance in America is gone - as a former sailor I would think you'd have a better way to accomplish dealing with the excess line without making a hangman's noose. Perhaps I give you too much credit.

[old salt]

All the garages at the track have that kind of a pull. How did they miss it all this time? Amazing.

Based on the FBI report, it is clear that the rope was there since October. It is also clear that the garage pull was fashioned as a noose.

What is not clear (to me anyway) is whether all or at least multiple garages at that track are fashioned as nooses.

If it is all of them - the whole thing is just dumb. And you really have to wonder why no-one said - "hey Bubba, all the pulls are nooses."

No one did, that means either everyone was in on it, or they are NOT all nooses.

If they aren't all nooses it leads to the question - Why was Bubba assigned that particular stall?

here's a 2017 from the talladega playoff? truck race:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN0ad_nS2Hw
@ 2.58 to 3.05 there are 2 garages next to each other with loops, and another @ 3.15- 3.40. not sure if you can see or call them nooses.
several other garages just had knots. over time, they probably could change just based on who was using them for a race, if someone in the crew is familiar with knots and had a preference.

Call Quantico & order up a Gulfstream. Gotta get this video to the Crime Lab asap.

[njbill]

Was that the only garage with a knot like that on the garage door pull rope ?

Yes, that is the only one that was fashioned into a noose per the NASCAR investigation which looked at 1684 garage stalls. This was reported in the article I linked up thread as well as one of Kismet’s articles.

Given the task at hand -- creating a pull loop at a convenient height, while neatly stowing the excess rope where it won't snag or foul -- is that an appropriate use of that knot ? Shall such a knot never be used for any task ?

Hopefully the race track employee or race crew member who originally fashioned that knot, many months ago, will be identified.
Then he can be appropriately shamed, doxed, & thoroughly investigated, including his HS yearbook.

The NASCAR investigation also found that only 11 had pulldown ropes tied in a knot.

Frankly the results of their investigation are surprising to me. I would think that of 1684 garage doors, the large majority would have pulldown ropes of some sort and that quite a few of them would have knots or loops or some other configuration to assist in their use. Obviously, I would not expect any nooses.

Don’t mean to be a conspiracy theorist, but I wonder if some ropes were removed between the first report and the time of the investigation.

[old salt]

Was that the only garage with a knot like that on the garage door pull rope ?

Yes, that is the only one that was fashioned into a noose per the NASCAR investigation which looked at 1684 garage stalls. This was reported in the article I linked up thread as well as one of Kismet’s articles.

Given the task at hand -- creating a pull loop at a convenient height, while neatly stowing the excess rope where it won't snag or foul -- is that an appropriate use of that knot ? Shall such a knot never be used for any task ?

Hopefully the race track employee or race crew member who originally fashioned that knot, many months ago, will be identified.
Then he can be appropriately shamed, doxed, & thoroughly investigated, including his HS yearbook.

Like i said, all nuance in America is gone - as a former sailor I would think you'd have a better way to accomplish dealing with the excess line without making a hangman's noose. Perhaps I give you too much credit.

No. You just give your fellow Americans too little.