All things Chinese CoronaVirus

[Typical Lax Dad]

There you go again proving how ignorant you are. Hospitals and many industries already use this technology, have seen this in critical settings, pricey, but works. Keeping eating Cheetos and drinking Mountain Dew.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/ ... l-n1231910

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2 ... virus/amp/

And

https://amp.tmz.com/2020/06/23/arizona- ... parent-co/

[Typical Lax Dad]

There you go again proving how ignorant you are. Hospitals and many industries already use this technology, have seen this in critical settings, pricey, but works. Keeping eating Cheetos and drinking Mountain Dew.

Whatever became of this guy? I saw him on the Tonight Show.

[CU77]

Whatever became of this guy? I saw him on the Tonight Show.

https://www.straightdope.com/columns/re ... n-it-uses/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Westley_Newman

Or watch the movie!

http://www.newmanmovie.com

[runrussellrun]

icymi, sweden had a v good week with their case fatalities in relative terms.
their 4th week in a row after peak. by memory, it was:
680
477
550
~450
high 200s this week.
haven't seen whether extra protections at elder care facilities are working yet, or if the spread is decreasing as they do little testing (supposedly ramping!!). the last several weeks' icu numbers predicted a decline imo.

i continue to be interested in their outcomes as i thought for a long time we would be practicing sweden-like measures once we got out of our caves. with the attendant differences between cultures, yada.

gives me hope. thought the burn may be slower and it may still be and maybe jump some next week as this seems like too big a drop in a week or 2. we shall see.

We haven't heard much about Sweden recently. Here's how they are doing:

Deaths per million of population:

Italy 568
Sweden 484
France 451
USA 357
Germany 106
Denmark 103
Finland 59
Norway 45
Iceland 29

UW now projects 8,534 deaths by August 4. Which would be 845. Even if they don't get near that projection, I think we now know the results of their experiment.

and the deaths per million for those ages 40 years......and younger??????

exactly

open UP.....and say aaahhhh

Don't forget to put your mask on in public, R3, assuming you care about the more vulnerable among us.

The "vulnerable" shouldn't be OUT in public.......or, rather. What the heck.....is it really "living" sipping your own drool.......

Was there a pandemic in the late 60's,,,,,,?????

exactly

and suddenly, the entire world has to shut down because a handful of old people are dying????? So selfish ,the old are. Same crowd that allowed love canal, Nashua river, etc. awesomer.

we love mamee, taking care of grandma at the nursing home.....awesomer. We visit a few times a year. A few

So I guess R3 doesn't "need no stinkin mask". Good to know.

Do also know what is good to know?

CPR

You going to do it to me, or anyone else, when they are frothing at the mouth, lying on the ground, because the LACK of oxygen, from wearing a mask, caused a HEART ATTACK

seriously, who is going to do CPR in the fear porn factory society? Dr. Fauci is in rare form this week........something about a "vaccine' possibly being ready?

[youthathletics]

There you go again proving how ignorant you are. Hospitals and many industries already use this technology, have seen this in critical settings, pricey, but works. Keeping eating Cheetos and drinking Mountain Dew.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/ ... l-n1231910

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2 ... virus/amp/

And

https://amp.tmz.com/2020/06/23/arizona- ... parent-co/

You are researching news articles, not science based articles. It exists.
https://commercial.ultravation.com/prod ... infection/

https://housesogreen.com/2014/07/hvac-u ... C%20system

[CU88]

Trump is doing more to protect statues than American citizens.

[runrussellrun]

DeSantis.png

What I don't understand is why it's such a difficult concept for people to comprehend that wearing masks and being careful actually enables back to work and play with less spread, so wear the darn masks!

Idiots?

Should the old run with masks on? Or, not at all? MDLAXfan........trying hiking today. Or, bike tour Gettysburg. Both about a lil over an hours drive for you.
Wear a mask. ALL day.

report back to us with the results. Make sure you climb the towers at Gettysburg too........remember, wearing the mask saves lives.

[youthathletics]

icymi, sweden had a v good week with their case fatalities in relative terms.
their 4th week in a row after peak. by memory, it was:
680
477
550
~450
high 200s this week.
haven't seen whether extra protections at elder care facilities are working yet, or if the spread is decreasing as they do little testing (supposedly ramping!!). the last several weeks' icu numbers predicted a decline imo.

i continue to be interested in their outcomes as i thought for a long time we would be practicing sweden-like measures once we got out of our caves. with the attendant differences between cultures, yada.

gives me hope. thought the burn may be slower and it may still be and maybe jump some next week as this seems like too big a drop in a week or 2. we shall see.

We haven't heard much about Sweden recently. Here's how they are doing:

Deaths per million of population:

Italy 568
Sweden 484
France 451
USA 357
Germany 106
Denmark 103
Finland 59
Norway 45
Iceland 29

UW now projects 8,534 deaths by August 4. Which would be 845. Even if they don't get near that projection, I think we now know the results of their experiment.

and the deaths per million for those ages 40 years......and younger??????

exactly

open UP.....and say aaahhhh

Don't forget to put your mask on in public, R3, assuming you care about the more vulnerable among us.

The "vulnerable" shouldn't be OUT in public.......or, rather. What the heck.....is it really "living" sipping your own drool.......

Was there a pandemic in the late 60's,,,,,,?????

exactly

and suddenly, the entire world has to shut down because a handful of old people are dying????? So selfish ,the old are. Same crowd that allowed love canal, Nashua river, etc. awesomer.

we love mamee, taking care of grandma at the nursing home.....awesomer. We visit a few times a year. A few

So I guess R3 doesn't "need no stinkin mask". Good to know.

Do also know what is good to know?

CPR

You going to do it to me, or anyone else, when they are frothing at the mouth, lying on the ground, because the LACK of oxygen, from wearing a mask, caused a HEART ATTACK

seriously, who is going to do CPR in the fear porn factory society? Dr. Fauci is in rare form this week........something about a "vaccine' possibly being ready?

Regarding masks...
From OSHA...who is trying to juggle the debacle. And there have been instances where workers are passing out from mask wearing.

Employers have the discretion to determine whether to allow employees to wear cloth face coverings in the workplace based on the specific circumstances present at the work site. For some workers, employers may determine that wearing cloth face coverings presents or exacerbates a hazard. For example, cloth face coverings could become contaminated with chemicals used in the work environment, causing workers to inhale the chemicals that collect on the face covering. Over the duration of a work shift, cloth face coverings might also become damp (from workers breathing) or collect infectious material from the work environment (e.g., droplets of other peoples' infectious respiratory secretions). Workers may also need to use PPE that is incompatible with the use of a cloth face covering (e.g., an N95 filtering facepiece respirator).

[MDlaxfan76]

DeSantis.png

What I don't understand is why it's such a difficult concept for people to comprehend that wearing masks and being careful actually enables back to work and play with less spread, so wear the darn masks!

Idiots?

Should the old run with masks on? Or, not at all? MDLAXfan........trying hiking today. Or, bike tour Gettysburg. Both about a lil over an hours drive for you.
Wear a mask. ALL day.

report back to us with the results. Make sure you climb the towers at Gettysburg too........remember, wearing the mask saves lives.

idiocy on display.

Wear the darn mask when anywhere near other people...simple rule during the pandemic.
And yeah, it's quite easy to have a mask/scarf around your neck and to pull it up when nearing others.
Including when hiking or riding a bike...most of the time the mask needn't be up, but not so difficult to raise.

Biking normally would be the least concerning as there's so little time spent close to anyone else, running similarly but not as much, walking past people less an issue than standing next to someone for an extended period. Outside being way better than inside.

That said, the most important time is when inside or when distancing is fundamentally not possible. That's where the mandate actually becomes essential as way too many people aren't bothering to do so.

There's a major push happening from business requesting government mandates. They want to protect their employees and they want to reassure their patrons who are concerned, but they don't want to alienate that 30% of patrons who don't like the masks or think they're making a political statement, etc. So, they need the cover that a mandate provides.

[MDlaxfan76]

icymi, sweden had a v good week with their case fatalities in relative terms.
their 4th week in a row after peak. by memory, it was:
680
477
550
~450
high 200s this week.
haven't seen whether extra protections at elder care facilities are working yet, or if the spread is decreasing as they do little testing (supposedly ramping!!). the last several weeks' icu numbers predicted a decline imo.

i continue to be interested in their outcomes as i thought for a long time we would be practicing sweden-like measures once we got out of our caves. with the attendant differences between cultures, yada.

gives me hope. thought the burn may be slower and it may still be and maybe jump some next week as this seems like too big a drop in a week or 2. we shall see.

We haven't heard much about Sweden recently. Here's how they are doing:

Deaths per million of population:

Italy 568
Sweden 484
France 451
USA 357
Germany 106
Denmark 103
Finland 59
Norway 45
Iceland 29

UW now projects 8,534 deaths by August 4. Which would be 845. Even if they don't get near that projection, I think we now know the results of their experiment.

and the deaths per million for those ages 40 years......and younger??????

exactly

open UP.....and say aaahhhh

Don't forget to put your mask on in public, R3, assuming you care about the more vulnerable among us.

The "vulnerable" shouldn't be OUT in public.......or, rather. What the heck.....is it really "living" sipping your own drool.......

Was there a pandemic in the late 60's,,,,,,?????

exactly

and suddenly, the entire world has to shut down because a handful of old people are dying????? So selfish ,the old are. Same crowd that allowed love canal, Nashua river, etc. awesomer.

we love mamee, taking care of grandma at the nursing home.....awesomer. We visit a few times a year. A few

So I guess R3 doesn't "need no stinkin mask". Good to know.

Do also know what is good to know?

CPR

You going to do it to me, or anyone else, when they are frothing at the mouth, lying on the ground, because the LACK of oxygen, from wearing a mask, caused a HEART ATTACK

seriously, who is going to do CPR in the fear porn factory society? Dr. Fauci is in rare form this week........something about a "vaccine' possibly being ready?

Regarding masks...
From OSHA...who is trying to juggle the debacle. And there have been instances where workers are passing out from mask wearing.

Employers have the discretion to determine whether to allow employees to wear cloth face coverings in the workplace based on the specific circumstances present at the work site. For some workers, employers may determine that wearing cloth face coverings presents or exacerbates a hazard. For example, cloth face coverings could become contaminated with chemicals used in the work environment, causing workers to inhale the chemicals that collect on the face covering. Over the duration of a work shift, cloth face coverings might also become damp (from workers breathing) or collect infectious material from the work environment (e.g., droplets of other peoples' infectious respiratory secretions). Workers may also need to use PPE that is incompatible with the use of a cloth face covering (e.g., an N95 filtering facepiece respirator).

And there aren't ways to deal with these issues, yet wear masks most of the time???

This is the Trumpworld...masks are 'discretionary' so the heck with masks...

[youthathletics]

icymi, sweden had a v good week with their case fatalities in relative terms.
their 4th week in a row after peak. by memory, it was:
680
477
550
~450
high 200s this week.
haven't seen whether extra protections at elder care facilities are working yet, or if the spread is decreasing as they do little testing (supposedly ramping!!). the last several weeks' icu numbers predicted a decline imo.

i continue to be interested in their outcomes as i thought for a long time we would be practicing sweden-like measures once we got out of our caves. with the attendant differences between cultures, yada.

gives me hope. thought the burn may be slower and it may still be and maybe jump some next week as this seems like too big a drop in a week or 2. we shall see.

We haven't heard much about Sweden recently. Here's how they are doing:

Deaths per million of population:

Italy 568
Sweden 484
France 451
USA 357
Germany 106
Denmark 103
Finland 59
Norway 45
Iceland 29

UW now projects 8,534 deaths by August 4. Which would be 845. Even if they don't get near that projection, I think we now know the results of their experiment.

and the deaths per million for those ages 40 years......and younger??????

exactly

open UP.....and say aaahhhh

Don't forget to put your mask on in public, R3, assuming you care about the more vulnerable among us.

The "vulnerable" shouldn't be OUT in public.......or, rather. What the heck.....is it really "living" sipping your own drool.......

Was there a pandemic in the late 60's,,,,,,?????

exactly

and suddenly, the entire world has to shut down because a handful of old people are dying????? So selfish ,the old are. Same crowd that allowed love canal, Nashua river, etc. awesomer.

we love mamee, taking care of grandma at the nursing home.....awesomer. We visit a few times a year. A few

So I guess R3 doesn't "need no stinkin mask". Good to know.

Do also know what is good to know?

CPR

You going to do it to me, or anyone else, when they are frothing at the mouth, lying on the ground, because the LACK of oxygen, from wearing a mask, caused a HEART ATTACK

seriously, who is going to do CPR in the fear porn factory society? Dr. Fauci is in rare form this week........something about a "vaccine' possibly being ready?

Regarding masks...
From OSHA...who is trying to juggle the debacle. And there have been instances where workers are passing out from mask wearing.

Employers have the discretion to determine whether to allow employees to wear cloth face coverings in the workplace based on the specific circumstances present at the work site. For some workers, employers may determine that wearing cloth face coverings presents or exacerbates a hazard. For example, cloth face coverings could become contaminated with chemicals used in the work environment, causing workers to inhale the chemicals that collect on the face covering. Over the duration of a work shift, cloth face coverings might also become damp (from workers breathing) or collect infectious material from the work environment (e.g., droplets of other peoples' infectious respiratory secretions). Workers may also need to use PPE that is incompatible with the use of a cloth face covering (e.g., an N95 filtering facepiece respirator).

And there aren't ways to deal with these issues, yet wear masks most of the time???

This is the Trumpworld...masks are 'discretionary' so the heck with masks...

Not surprised by your response. I suppose OSHA is in the tank for Trump?

[6ftstick]

That political giant Governor Andrew Cuomo tried to blame the senior coronavirus deaths in NY on federal mandates.

Since that was fake news now he's tryin to lay it off on the first responder nurses and doctors treating the patients in the nursing homes.

A democrat legend for sure.

[dislaxxic]

[MDlaxfan76]

icymi, sweden had a v good week with their case fatalities in relative terms.
their 4th week in a row after peak. by memory, it was:
680
477
550
~450
high 200s this week.
haven't seen whether extra protections at elder care facilities are working yet, or if the spread is decreasing as they do little testing (supposedly ramping!!). the last several weeks' icu numbers predicted a decline imo.

i continue to be interested in their outcomes as i thought for a long time we would be practicing sweden-like measures once we got out of our caves. with the attendant differences between cultures, yada.

gives me hope. thought the burn may be slower and it may still be and maybe jump some next week as this seems like too big a drop in a week or 2. we shall see.

We haven't heard much about Sweden recently. Here's how they are doing:

Deaths per million of population:

Italy 568
Sweden 484
France 451
USA 357
Germany 106
Denmark 103
Finland 59
Norway 45
Iceland 29

UW now projects 8,534 deaths by August 4. Which would be 845. Even if they don't get near that projection, I think we now know the results of their experiment.

and the deaths per million for those ages 40 years......and younger??????

exactly

open UP.....and say aaahhhh

Don't forget to put your mask on in public, R3, assuming you care about the more vulnerable among us.

The "vulnerable" shouldn't be OUT in public.......or, rather. What the heck.....is it really "living" sipping your own drool.......

Was there a pandemic in the late 60's,,,,,,?????

exactly

and suddenly, the entire world has to shut down because a handful of old people are dying????? So selfish ,the old are. Same crowd that allowed love canal, Nashua river, etc. awesomer.

we love mamee, taking care of grandma at the nursing home.....awesomer. We visit a few times a year. A few

So I guess R3 doesn't "need no stinkin mask". Good to know.

Do also know what is good to know?

CPR

You going to do it to me, or anyone else, when they are frothing at the mouth, lying on the ground, because the LACK of oxygen, from wearing a mask, caused a HEART ATTACK

seriously, who is going to do CPR in the fear porn factory society? Dr. Fauci is in rare form this week........something about a "vaccine' possibly being ready?

Regarding masks...
From OSHA...who is trying to juggle the debacle. And there have been instances where workers are passing out from mask wearing.

Employers have the discretion to determine whether to allow employees to wear cloth face coverings in the workplace based on the specific circumstances present at the work site. For some workers, employers may determine that wearing cloth face coverings presents or exacerbates a hazard. For example, cloth face coverings could become contaminated with chemicals used in the work environment, causing workers to inhale the chemicals that collect on the face covering. Over the duration of a work shift, cloth face coverings might also become damp (from workers breathing) or collect infectious material from the work environment (e.g., droplets of other peoples' infectious respiratory secretions). Workers may also need to use PPE that is incompatible with the use of a cloth face covering (e.g., an N95 filtering facepiece respirator).

And there aren't ways to deal with these issues, yet wear masks most of the time???

This is the Trumpworld...masks are 'discretionary' so the heck with masks...

Not surprised by your response. I suppose OSHA is in the tank for Trump?

Are there political appointees in charge of OSHA?
google "OSHA political appointees"; look at the turmoil there, reporting up to Acosta at Labor.

I don't think civil servants are 'in the tank' for Trump, but the political appointees most certainly are.

So, we have this wishy washy public statement from OSHA, instead of definition of how to deal with the issues raised (I'm assuming that the issues are real, not manufactured).

Do you really doubt that the civil servants aren't chafing to provide more definitive guidelines?

[ardilla secreta]

New hope for the world! Born again delusional right wing church has new technology that will miraculously kill coronavirus germs:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XcGE9y ... =emb_title


Wonders! Wonders!

It’s a box filled with hot dogs!

[Typical Lax Dad]

There you go again proving how ignorant you are. Hospitals and many industries already use this technology, have seen this in critical settings, pricey, but works. Keeping eating Cheetos and drinking Mountain Dew.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/ ... l-n1231910

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2 ... virus/amp/

And

https://amp.tmz.com/2020/06/23/arizona- ... parent-co/

You are researching news articles, not science based articles. It exists.
https://commercial.ultravation.com/prod ... infection/

https://housesogreen.com/2014/07/hvac-u ... C%20system

The news was that the manufacturer says it doesn’t work as claimed or are your saying that is incorrect and the manufacturer doesn’t know what they are talking about? Did someone say an air ionization machine doesn’t exist?

Using some sort of air handling or UV light system has been discussed since the early stages of the outbreak. I even suggested they be installed at entrances. Not sure how helpful it will be to combat then virus. We can make every place of business a negative air pressure hood as those work.

[youthathletics]

icymi, sweden had a v good week with their case fatalities in relative terms.
their 4th week in a row after peak. by memory, it was:
680
477
550
~450
high 200s this week.
haven't seen whether extra protections at elder care facilities are working yet, or if the spread is decreasing as they do little testing (supposedly ramping!!). the last several weeks' icu numbers predicted a decline imo.

i continue to be interested in their outcomes as i thought for a long time we would be practicing sweden-like measures once we got out of our caves. with the attendant differences between cultures, yada.

gives me hope. thought the burn may be slower and it may still be and maybe jump some next week as this seems like too big a drop in a week or 2. we shall see.

We haven't heard much about Sweden recently. Here's how they are doing:

Deaths per million of population:

Italy 568
Sweden 484
France 451
USA 357
Germany 106
Denmark 103
Finland 59
Norway 45
Iceland 29

UW now projects 8,534 deaths by August 4. Which would be 845. Even if they don't get near that projection, I think we now know the results of their experiment.

and the deaths per million for those ages 40 years......and younger??????

exactly

open UP.....and say aaahhhh

Don't forget to put your mask on in public, R3, assuming you care about the more vulnerable among us.

The "vulnerable" shouldn't be OUT in public.......or, rather. What the heck.....is it really "living" sipping your own drool.......

Was there a pandemic in the late 60's,,,,,,?????

exactly

and suddenly, the entire world has to shut down because a handful of old people are dying????? So selfish ,the old are. Same crowd that allowed love canal, Nashua river, etc. awesomer.

we love mamee, taking care of grandma at the nursing home.....awesomer. We visit a few times a year. A few

So I guess R3 doesn't "need no stinkin mask". Good to know.

Do also know what is good to know?

CPR

You going to do it to me, or anyone else, when they are frothing at the mouth, lying on the ground, because the LACK of oxygen, from wearing a mask, caused a HEART ATTACK

seriously, who is going to do CPR in the fear porn factory society? Dr. Fauci is in rare form this week........something about a "vaccine' possibly being ready?

Regarding masks...
From OSHA...who is trying to juggle the debacle. And there have been instances where workers are passing out from mask wearing.

Employers have the discretion to determine whether to allow employees to wear cloth face coverings in the workplace based on the specific circumstances present at the work site. For some workers, employers may determine that wearing cloth face coverings presents or exacerbates a hazard. For example, cloth face coverings could become contaminated with chemicals used in the work environment, causing workers to inhale the chemicals that collect on the face covering. Over the duration of a work shift, cloth face coverings might also become damp (from workers breathing) or collect infectious material from the work environment (e.g., droplets of other peoples' infectious respiratory secretions). Workers may also need to use PPE that is incompatible with the use of a cloth face covering (e.g., an N95 filtering facepiece respirator).

And there aren't ways to deal with these issues, yet wear masks most of the time???

This is the Trumpworld...masks are 'discretionary' so the heck with masks...

Not surprised by your response. I suppose OSHA is in the tank for Trump?

Are there political appointees in charge of OSHA?
google "OSHA political appointees"; look at the turmoil there, reporting up to Acosta at Labor.

I don't think civil servants are 'in the tank' for Trump, but the political appointees most certainly are.

So, we have this wishy washy public statement from OSHA, instead of definition of how to deal with the issues raised (I'm assuming that the issues are real, not manufactured).

Do you really doubt that the civil servants aren't chafing to provide more definitive guidelines?

So that must mean you do indeed believe in the deep state, if you believe for one moment that OSHA is wishy-washy b/c of Trump appointees. You must be eating your waffles again. It's wishy-washy because this we have never had to do this in history, in an era with so much information and so little fact.

I suppose you just do not get it, because your only physical exertion demand is that of your chosen setting on your peleton.

[runrussellrun]

Among people <70 years old, infection fatality rates ranged from 0.00% to 0.26% with a median of 0.05%." - John Ioannidis, Stanford
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 20101253v2

Open up.

Texas had over 5,000 new cases today. The deaths from those cases will be seen in a few weeks.

Callous Republican morons are evidently not satisfied with over 122,000 dead Americans.

DocBarrister

Callous Democrat governors are responsible for 40% of those deaths by mandating infected seniors BACK INTO NURSING HOMES.

And now they're lying about the numbers.

I have been a consistent critic of Gov. Cuomo’s response to the pandemic. He acted too slowly to shut things down, and made some awful decisions.

Gov. Newsom caved to economic pressure in California.

Republican Texas is surging out of control.

And Gov. DeSantis basically blamed Florida’s surge on Hispanics, playing to the racism of his Republican base.

Plus, nothing changes the fact that a Republican president is running this entire #%*^ show. His failed Tulsa rally shows that even some of his deplorable supporters understand that Covid-19 doesn’t care if you’re Republican or Democrat ... it can kill you either way.

DocBarrister

Are you also a Stanford epidemiologist?

https://greekcitytimes.com/2020/06/23/s ... peculated/

Ioannidis is what’s known as a meta-researcher, and he’s become one of the world’s foremost experts on the credibility of medical research.He and his team have shown, again and again, and in many different ways, that much of what biomedical researchers conclude in published studies—conclusions that doctors keep in mind when they prescribe antibiotics or blood-pressure medication, or when they advise us to consume more fibre or less meat, or when they recommend surgery for heart disease or back pain—is misleading, exaggerated, and often flat-out wrong.”

The picture that is emerging is that Covid-19 causes mortality at very high rates in older segments of the population and substantial morbidity (and some mortalities) in younger portions of the population.

Bottom line, this is the world’s most severe pandemic in over 100 years. The 122,000+ dead Americans and the many hundreds of thousands of scarred survivors are a testament to that fact.

Nearly half a million people around the world have died in just six months despite 21st-century medical care and the most extreme public health mitigation measures implemented in the past century.

Any attempt to downplay the deadliness and danger of Covid-19 is morally repugnant and a disservice to the public.

DocBarrister

So I guess you’re not a Stanford epidemiologist.

You sure do know how to tell folks they’re ‘racist’! Maybe you’re Al Sharpton’s lacrosse playing cousin?

So, I guess my public health degree from Harvard is chopped liver?

DocBarrister

you nailed it. YOU are the problem. Unless, you can clarify what "robust" means, in THIS recommendation : (these ARE your people, yes? )

https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org ... tions.html


AGAIN, yes, your harvard degree is junk. In 2005, Dr. Fauci clearly stated that he received BILLIONS to get a panademic plan together. (in the 60 minutes video ) fifteen years ago.....coupled with YOUR university and the junk that event 201 was......

please read the last sentence in recommendation #7: must be the same people that managed the Hopkins lacrosse webpage, spelling the goalie coaches name wrong for months and months.

chopped liver indeed....

[runrussellrun]

we have learned SO much since March....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRa6t_e7dgI

Dr. Fauci: " ...right now, there's NO reason to be walking around, wearing a mask...."


Yes......all a tv reality show guys fault?

[MDlaxfan76]

icymi, sweden had a v good week with their case fatalities in relative terms.
their 4th week in a row after peak. by memory, it was:
680
477
550
~450
high 200s this week.
haven't seen whether extra protections at elder care facilities are working yet, or if the spread is decreasing as they do little testing (supposedly ramping!!). the last several weeks' icu numbers predicted a decline imo.

i continue to be interested in their outcomes as i thought for a long time we would be practicing sweden-like measures once we got out of our caves. with the attendant differences between cultures, yada.

gives me hope. thought the burn may be slower and it may still be and maybe jump some next week as this seems like too big a drop in a week or 2. we shall see.

We haven't heard much about Sweden recently. Here's how they are doing:

Deaths per million of population:

Italy 568
Sweden 484
France 451
USA 357
Germany 106
Denmark 103
Finland 59
Norway 45
Iceland 29

UW now projects 8,534 deaths by August 4. Which would be 845. Even if they don't get near that projection, I think we now know the results of their experiment.

and the deaths per million for those ages 40 years......and younger??????

exactly

open UP.....and say aaahhhh

Don't forget to put your mask on in public, R3, assuming you care about the more vulnerable among us.

The "vulnerable" shouldn't be OUT in public.......or, rather. What the heck.....is it really "living" sipping your own drool.......

Was there a pandemic in the late 60's,,,,,,?????

exactly

and suddenly, the entire world has to shut down because a handful of old people are dying????? So selfish ,the old are. Same crowd that allowed love canal, Nashua river, etc. awesomer.

we love mamee, taking care of grandma at the nursing home.....awesomer. We visit a few times a year. A few

So I guess R3 doesn't "need no stinkin mask". Good to know.

Do also know what is good to know?

CPR

You going to do it to me, or anyone else, when they are frothing at the mouth, lying on the ground, because the LACK of oxygen, from wearing a mask, caused a HEART ATTACK

seriously, who is going to do CPR in the fear porn factory society? Dr. Fauci is in rare form this week........something about a "vaccine' possibly being ready?

Regarding masks...
From OSHA...who is trying to juggle the debacle. And there have been instances where workers are passing out from mask wearing.

Employers have the discretion to determine whether to allow employees to wear cloth face coverings in the workplace based on the specific circumstances present at the work site. For some workers, employers may determine that wearing cloth face coverings presents or exacerbates a hazard. For example, cloth face coverings could become contaminated with chemicals used in the work environment, causing workers to inhale the chemicals that collect on the face covering. Over the duration of a work shift, cloth face coverings might also become damp (from workers breathing) or collect infectious material from the work environment (e.g., droplets of other peoples' infectious respiratory secretions). Workers may also need to use PPE that is incompatible with the use of a cloth face covering (e.g., an N95 filtering facepiece respirator).

And there aren't ways to deal with these issues, yet wear masks most of the time???

This is the Trumpworld...masks are 'discretionary' so the heck with masks...

Not surprised by your response. I suppose OSHA is in the tank for Trump?

Are there political appointees in charge of OSHA?
google "OSHA political appointees"; look at the turmoil there, reporting up to Acosta at Labor.

I don't think civil servants are 'in the tank' for Trump, but the political appointees most certainly are.

So, we have this wishy washy public statement from OSHA, instead of definition of how to deal with the issues raised (I'm assuming that the issues are real, not manufactured).

Do you really doubt that the civil servants aren't chafing to provide more definitive guidelines?

So that must mean you do indeed believe in the deep state, if you believe for one moment that OSHA is wishy-washy b/c of Trump appointees. You must be eating your waffles again. It's wishy-washy because this we have never had to do this in history, in an era with so much information and so little fact.

I suppose you just do not get it, because your only physical exertion demand is that of your chosen setting on your peleton.

if my hips would allow it, I'd be still running in the woods and playing lots of racquet sports...sadly, that's no more. Thankfully, the bike suffices to get some endorphins.

I'm super cognizant of the difficulty these folks, OSHA, CDC, FDA, etc have in dealing with these very novel issues...But I know for a certainty as well that these institutions are always subject to a lot of political pressure, lobbyists, etc...

I can go on and on, and bore you to tears probably, on how stupid our food policies are because of these pressures.

This is true, Administration to Administration.

And right now, we have a particular set of characters who actually think that's the way it should be, how decisions should be made. With loyalty to Trump being the #1 requirement through which everything must be processed, no matter how stupid.

In this case, I'm assuming there are legitimate issues to be considered, so get specific about how to deal with them rather than default to the Trumpist, it's 'discretionary'...with the overarching message that we really don't care, or worse, it's unpatriotic to wear a mask coming from the very top...