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old salt wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 3:50 pm
old salt wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 11:17 am
seacoaster wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:26 am
old salt wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:54 pm
It's too soon to read too much into this. It depends on who/what's being drawn down.
I saw one news report that it was the USAF F-16 squadron at SP & Army support (vs combat) troops.
The F-16's are easily replaced by deploying a stateside squadron if needed. Could even be Air National Guard or Reserves.
It comes simultaneously with re-establishing the Army's V Corps, HQ'd at Fort Knox, with a CP in Germany.
That's a larger, more structured commitment to deploy & rotate for training in Germany.
1000 of the troops are headed to Poland.
The Army worked this plan before Trump announced it.
I think General Hertling's point wasn't the drawdown, it was the lack of any communication with the host nation, a long time ally and important constituent country in the North Atlantic Treaty.
The diplomats & politicians haven't been formally notified yet, or their input solicited, so they could politicize & try to impact the decision. Trump's going to do it. The Pentagon has to figure out how to stay under 25k in Germany & compensate with plans for surging, training & exercising the designated stateside units, as the DEFCON levels change. The planning for the reduction has not been a secret.
Standing up V Corps again actually firms up our NATO commitment, locking in more specified large stateside units for deployment, replacing the draw down of forward deployed personnel.
Since Russia annexed Crimea, NATO has increased it's combat capability on it's E flank, primarily with US forces.
Below is a good description of the US commitment @ 2016.
The Trump Admin has, so far, followed through on the programmed increases.

The question needs to be asked -- should the US continue to sustain, consolidate, enhance & increase this level of commitment, while our EU/NATO allies do little to increase their level of commitment in deployed combat capability ? Instead, they continue to increase commerce with Russia & continue to increase the infrastructure which will make them increasingly energy dependent on Russian gas & oil imports.

It's a reasonable policy choice if our EU/NATO allies want to deescalate & pursue a mercantile modus vivendi with Russia.
They're doing so, while talking tough about Russian meddling in their politics, hiding beneath the USA's skirt, while pumping billions of Euros into Russia's economy.

How much should we be willing to spend & how much of our finite military & combat capability should we continue to invest in protecting EU/NATO allies who are willing to do so little in their own behalf ?

These are the difficult questions which Trump, in his crude way, is forcing American voters, politicians & feckless EU/NATO allies to confront.
Unfortunately, they're all awaiting a Pres Biden to take office & stop forcing such difficult issues to be confronted.
https://www.csis.org/analysis/european- ... itiative-0

The European Reassurance Initiative (ERI) increased U.S. investment across five categories: (1) presence; (2) training and exercises; (3) infrastructure; (4) prepositioned equipment; and (5) building partner capacity.

To expand presence across the region, the U.S. Army began periodic rotations of armored and airborne brigades to Poland and the Baltic states; the Air Force added additional F-15s to NATO’s Baltic Air Policing mission; and the Navy continuously cycled ships through the Black Sea. The United States spent $250 million to improve bases in Europe. The Army enhanced existing equipment sets in Europe and began adding sets of training equipment (technically called a European Activity Set) in the Baltic states. The State Department also received some funding to increase security assistance to non-NATO partners, including Georgia, Ukraine, and Moldova.

ERI was included in war funding (Overseas Contingency Operations or OCO) because those funds are not restricted by the budget caps. Therefore creating ERI did not require offsets from elsewhere in the defense budget. Although ERI did not meet the administration’s technical criteria for what should go into OCO, the president proposed it nonetheless, and Congress did not object.

ERI was stated to be a one-year effort, but the president’s budget for FY 2016 requested $789 million for ERI, also in war funding. This ERI funding continued the forward deployments and exercises begun in the previous year. Funding in both years was approved with strong bipartisan support, which recognized the need to counter increasing Russian aggressiveness. ERI activities have since come under the heading of Operation Atlantic Resolve and represent the U.S. contribution to NATO’s assurance efforts.

Q2: What has the administration requested in FY 2017, and how is this different from previous years?

A2: The president’s budget requests $3.4 billion. Most is for the Army, but there are pieces for the other services as well. The request is broken down across the same five categories as previous years, though with greater emphasis on equipment:

· Presence ($1,050 million): Continuing and expanding the program of deployments and exercises begun in 2015. The addition of another armored brigade combat team (BCT) in the rotation means there will be an armored brigade on the ground continuously. With the two existing brigades in Europe, there will thus be a total of three U.S. BCTs on the continent at all times, and four during times of handover. A BCT is the Army’s basic deployable maneuver unit consisting of 4,000 to 5,000 troops.

· Exercises and training ($163 million): ERI increased the number and size of exercises and partnership engagements in 2015, and this will continue.

· Prepositioned Equipment ($1,904 million): The largest amount of the ERI request funds the maintenance and expansion of prepositioned sets of war-fighting equipment (known as Army Prepositioned Stock). The United States has long had a program in Europe whereby it stores equipment in warehouses ashore to allow rapid reinforcement of the forces already in theater. In an emergency, the United States need only fly the personnel from wherever they are to Europe, which is relatively easy, and link up with the prepositioned equipment. The extensive prepositioned sets of the Cold War in Europe have been reduced over the years, greatly slowing U.S. reinforcement capacity in an emergency. To shorten this timeline, the United States will add additional equipment sets, including tanks, heavy artillery, weapons, ammunition, and other gear, in Western Europe, as well as maintaining the training set already spread across the Baltic states and elsewhere in the east.

· Infrastructure ($217 million): The ERI requests funds for improving air fields and bases in Europe, especially in Eastern Europe. Improvements, such as for training ranges, make the bases more useful for training of U.S. and allied forces. Improvements to airfields make them more capable of not just training, but also of receiving reinforcements during an emergency.

· Building Partner Capacity (86 million): A small portion of the ERI request will be allocated to increasing the resilience of allies and partners through institutional development and training. In addition to the Defense Department’s ERI request, the State Department cites $953 million in its budget for “critical support for Ukraine and surrounding countries in Europe, Eurasia and Central Asia to counter Russian aggression.”

Q3: Does this now represent a long-term commitment?

A3: Yes, ERI now represents a long-term commitment and is no longer conceived of as a one-year or short-term effort, despite residing in OCO. The FY 2017 request is the first year of a multiyear plan.

The fact that ERI is funded in OCO represents an obstacle, but a minor one. In theory, OCO as a funding stream could go away as the United States winds down its overseas wars. OCO does not, therefore, have the same permanence that funding in the base budget would. However, with an expanding war in Iraq against ISIL and longer-term commitments recently made in Afghanistan, OCO appears to have a long future. Further, ERI has strong bipartisan support, so it is unlikely that there will be an effort to eliminate or reduce it within the foreseeable future.

Q4: Does this represent a change in U.S. strategy, in Europe and globally?

A4: Although not a change in strategy, it does represent a shift in emphasis, recognizing that the threat from Russia is not going away anytime soon and, in fact, may be getting worse. It also shows that Russia is now ranking higher in the administration’s overall prioritization of global challenges. Defense Secretary Ash Carter highlighted Russia, along with China, Iran, North Korea, and ISIL, when previewing the department’s budget last Tuesday.

While the first and second years of ERI were focused on reassuring allies, this year’s ERI emphasizes U.S. readiness and deterrence. The increase in prepositioned equipment in Western Europe, far from Russia’s reach, increases the Army’s war-fighting capabilities. Together with the new rotational brigade, the equipment will reduce Moscow’s “time and space” advantage, a by-product of Russia’s proximity to the Baltic states and ability to rapidly mobilize its forces. Prepositioning this equipment indicates that the department chose to sacrifice some of its strategic flexibility—or ability to deploy globally by keeping the equipment at home—in favor of heightened readiness to respond to a crisis in the European theater. All of this indicates that the Defense Department is more serious about the defense of Europe and settling in for what they see as an enduring new reality vis-à-vis Russia.

So, while the strategy for dealing with Russia has not changed (it still relies on a combination of defense, deterrence, reassurance, and building resilience among allies and partners), the ability to credibly implement it just got a whole lot better.

Q5: Is it too much, not enough, or just right?

A5: The FY 2017 request is a very good start, but ultimately not enough. After decades of divestment and withdrawal during a period of peace and stability on the continent, the U.S. presence in Europe had been gutted of most of its war-fighting capabilities and had not kept up with the evolving requirements for countering Russia’s improving military forces.

As noted in a recent CSIS report entitled Evaluating Future U.S. Army Force Posture in Europe, the Army’s presence in Europe has steadily declined from roughly 200,000 during the 1980s to approximately 33,000 in 2015. The United States has also “closed a significant amount of its ground forces infrastructure (over 100 sites since 2006); removed much of its heavy equipment from the continent; and concentrated its remaining forces in several locations in western Germany and Italy,” hundreds of miles from NATO’s post-enlargement borders. It is, therefore, infeasible for a few years of increased investment to undo what has been done over decades.

This is not to suggest that the United States should aspire to return to a Cold War posture in Europe. However, the United States does need to rebuild its capabilities to contend with Russia’s employment of advanced military capabilities—especially anti-access/area-denial (A2/AD), electronic warfare (EW), and unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs)—and a sophisticated mix of deception and coercion in the political, economic, and information spaces.

Q6: Are allies doing their part?

A6: Some yes; most no. Fair burden sharing between the United States and its European allies is a perennial challenge within NATO. The simultaneity of crises in Europe—including Russia, migration, foreign fighters and terrorism, and the rise of anti-EU populism—is taking its toll on Europe’s budgets and attention. Though all 28 NATO allies have contributed to NATO’s assurance and deterrence efforts, the scope and scale of individual states’ contributions varies greatly. Some allies in Central and Eastern Europe are predictably more invested than their southern and western counterparts, many of whom consider terrorism or migration emanating from an unstable Middle East and North Africa to be more pressing issues.

It is, therefore, unlikely that the United States’ ERI announcement will immediately elicit similarly impressive commitments from major powers at this week’s Defense Ministerial in Brussels, where the alliance will review progress in implementing the Readiness Action Plan (RAP)—adopted at the September 2014 Wales Summit to enhance NATO’s deterrence and defense. In general, progress on the RAP has been steady, though much work remains, as is the case with NATO efforts to stabilize and increase the military spending of European nations and Canada after years of decline. To win commitments from the Europeans, the United States must make clear its expectation that allies be ready with some high-profile announcements of their own by the time of the Warsaw Summit in July.

Q7: The Russians have complained about this initiative. Is it provocative?

A7: No, it is not provocative in a military sense. The new measures being undertaken are defensive in nature and demonstrate U.S. preparedness to respond, not invade. The United States is not moving forward any deep strike weapons that could attack the Russian homeland. The U.S. fighters being retained in Europe are F-15Cs, which have only counter-air capabilities, not F-15Es, which also have air-to-ground capability. No new U.S. troops are being permanently stationed in Eastern Europe.

The Russians have established a pattern of crying foul on any moves to enhance deterrence, particularly any steps that bring NATO forces closer to their borders, as part of their long-term effort to constrain NATO actions and undermine Europe’s cohesion. By portraying the U.S. actions as aggressive and provocative, they hope in Russia to stoke fears of encirclement and in Europe to reduce ERI’s impact and discourage allies from participating.
So to sum up a few of your recent posts on this matter, don't believe trump for what he says but what he does.

I guess he just says stuff just to stir up conflict and confusion among friends and detractors. I always thought that when you don't do something you say you're going to do, or vice versa, that's a lie. So all this adds up to is leadership style, or lack thereof.
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SCLaxAttack wrote: Fri Jun 12, 2020 3:30 pm
old salt wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 3:50 pm
old salt wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 11:17 am
seacoaster wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:26 am
old salt wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:54 pm
It's too soon to read too much into this. It depends on who/what's being drawn down.
I saw one news report that it was the USAF F-16 squadron at SP & Army support (vs combat) troops.
The F-16's are easily replaced by deploying a stateside squadron if needed. Could even be Air National Guard or Reserves.
It comes simultaneously with re-establishing the Army's V Corps, HQ'd at Fort Knox, with a CP in Germany.
That's a larger, more structured commitment to deploy & rotate for training in Germany.
1000 of the troops are headed to Poland.
The Army worked this plan before Trump announced it.
I think General Hertling's point wasn't the drawdown, it was the lack of any communication with the host nation, a long time ally and important constituent country in the North Atlantic Treaty.
The diplomats & politicians haven't been formally notified yet, or their input solicited, so they could politicize & try to impact the decision. Trump's going to do it. The Pentagon has to figure out how to stay under 25k in Germany & compensate with plans for surging, training & exercising the designated stateside units, as the DEFCON levels change. The planning for the reduction has not been a secret.
Standing up V Corps again actually firms up our NATO commitment, locking in more specified large stateside units for deployment, replacing the draw down of forward deployed personnel.
Since Russia annexed Crimea, NATO has increased it's combat capability on it's E flank, primarily with US forces.
Below is a good description of the US commitment @ 2016.
The Trump Admin has, so far, followed through on the programmed increases.

The question needs to be asked -- should the US continue to sustain, consolidate, enhance & increase this level of commitment, while our EU/NATO allies do little to increase their level of commitment in deployed combat capability ? Instead, they continue to increase commerce with Russia & continue to increase the infrastructure which will make them increasingly energy dependent on Russian gas & oil imports.

It's a reasonable policy choice if our EU/NATO allies want to deescalate & pursue a mercantile modus vivendi with Russia.
They're doing so, while talking tough about Russian meddling in their politics, hiding beneath the USA's skirt, while pumping billions of Euros into Russia's economy.

How much should we be willing to spend & how much of our finite military & combat capability should we continue to invest in protecting EU/NATO allies who are willing to do so little in their own behalf ?

These are the difficult questions which Trump, in his crude way, is forcing American voters, politicians & feckless EU/NATO allies to confront.
Unfortunately, they're all awaiting a Pres Biden to take office & stop forcing such difficult issues to be confronted.
So to sum up a few of your recent posts on this matter, don't believe trump for what he says but what he does.

I guess he just says stuff just to stir up conflict and confusion among friends and detractors. I always thought that when you don't do something you say you're going to do, or vice versa, that's a lie. So all this adds up to is leadership style, or lack thereof.
How do your son-in-law & his NDU classmates feel about our European Reassurance Initiative ? I'd imagine they're enthusiastic & supportive of the mission. Do they feel our EU/NATO allies are contributing adequately ? Europe's a great place to deploy or be stationed, compared to the alternatives, but strategically, is it worth the investment, based on our global commitments ?

Regarding Trump's leadership style, or lack there of, ...it is what it is. All we can do is try to survive him & take advantage of the funding & mercurial support he brings & prepare for what follows. Compared to their predecessors, Esper & Milley look like they might be survivors, ...or they're just running out the clock.
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West Point graduation :
https://www.c-span.org/video/?473034-1/ ... nt-address
Nicely done by USMA. Surprising apolitical, appropriate, & inspiring words delivered by CinC Trump.
The policy takeaway I was listening for came from 53:30 to 1:03.00
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old salt wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2020 4:42 pm West Point graduation :
https://www.c-span.org/video/?473034-1/ ... nt-address
Nicely done by USMA. Surprising apolitical, appropriate, & inspiring words delivered by CinC Trump.
The policy takeaway I was listening for came from 53:30 to 1:03.00
Pretty profound accolades coming from a Navy guy. :D
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cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2020 4:45 pm
old salt wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2020 4:42 pm West Point graduation :
https://www.c-span.org/video/?473034-1/ ... nt-address
Nicely done by USMA. Surprising apolitical, appropriate, & inspiring words delivered by CinC Trump.
The policy takeaway I was listening for came from 53:30 to 1:03.00
Pretty profound accolades coming from a Navy guy. :D
I just wish the Navy Mids, Class of 2020, received their commissions en masse, in a ceremony like the West Point & Air Force Cadets experienced.

This was the policy takeaway I was interested to hear :
THESE GREAT LEADERS WERE NOT AFRAID OF WHAT OTHERS MIGHT SAY ABOUT THEM. THEY DIDN'T CARE. THEY KNEW THEIR DUTY WAS TO PROTECT OUR COUNTRY AND THE ARMY EXISTS TO PRESERVE THE REPUBLIC AND STRONG FOUNDATIONS ON WHICH IT STANDS...
...THAT IS WHAT OUR COUNTRY NEEDS, ESPECIALLY IN THESE TIMES, AND THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE. EACH OF YOU BEGINS YOUR CAREER IN THE ARMY AT A CRUCIAL MOMENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY. WE ARE RESTORING THE FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES THAT THE JOB OF THE AMERICAN SOLDIER IS NOT TO REBUILD FOREIGN NATIONS, BUT DEFEND AND DEFEND STRONGLY OUR NATION FROM FOREIGN ENEMIES. WE ARE ENDING THE ERA OF ENDLESS WARS. IN ITS PLACE IS A RENEWED, CLEAR EYED FOCUS ON DEFENDING AMERICA'S VITAL INTERESTS. IT IS NOT THE DUTY OF U.S. TROOPS TO SOLVE ANCIENT CONFLICTS IN FARAWAY LANDS THAT MANY PEOPLE HAVE NEVER EVEN HEARD OF. WE ARE NOT THE POLICEMAN OF THE WORLD. BUT LET OUR ENEMIES BE ON NOTICE , IF OUR PEOPLE ARE THREATENED, WE WILL NEVER, EVER HESITATE TO ACT. AND WHEN WE FIGHT, FROM NOW ON, WE WILL ONLY FIGHT TO WIN. AS MACARTHUR SAID, IN WAR, THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR VICTORY. TO ENSURE YOU HAVE THE VERY BEST EQUIPMENT AND TECHNOLOGY AVAILABLE, MY ADMINISTRATION HAS EMBARKED ON A COLOSSAL REBUILDING OF THE AMERICAN ARMED FORCES, A RECORD LIKE NO OTHER. AFTER YEARS OF DEVASTATING BUDGET CUTS AND A MILITARY THAT WAS TOTALLY DEPLETED FROM THESE ENDLESS WARS, WE HAVE INVESTED OVER $2 TRILLION -- THAT IS WITH A "T" --FOR THE MOST POWERFUL FIGHTING FORCE ON EARTH. WE ARE BUILDING NEW SHIPS, BOMBERS, JET FIGHTERS, AND HELICOPTERS BY THE HUNDRED, NEW TANKS, MILITARY SATELLITES, ROCKET MISSILES, EVEN A HYPERSONIC MISSILE THAT GOES 17 TIMES FASTER THAN THE FASTEST MISSILE CURRENTLY AVAILABLE IN THE WORLD AND CAN HIT A TARGET 1000 MILES AWAY WITHIN 14 INCHES FROM CENTER POINT. FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 70 YEARS, WE ESTABLISHED A NEW BRANCH OF THE UNITED STATES MILITARY, THE SPACE FORCE. IT IS A BIG DEAL. IN RECENT YEARS, AMERICA'S WARRIORS HAVE MADE CLEAR TO ALL THE HIGH COST OF THREATENING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. THE SAVAGE ISIS CALIPHATE HAS BEEN 100% DESTROYED UNDER THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. AND IT'S BARBARIC LEADER AL-BAGHDADI IS GONE, KILLED, OVER. AND THE WORLD'S NUMBER ONE TERRORIST, SAM SUE AMANI -- SULEIMANI, IS LIKEWISE DEAD. AS COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF, I NEVER FORGET THE IMMENSE SACRIFICE WE ASK OF THOSE WHO WEAR THIS NATION'S UNIFORM.
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old salt wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2020 4:42 pm West Point graduation :
https://www.c-span.org/video/?473034-1/ ... nt-address
Nicely done by USMA. Surprising apolitical, appropriate, & inspiring words delivered by CinC Trump.
The policy takeaway I was listening for came from 53:30 to 1:03.00
Yeah. The tentative trip down the ramp at the end was worth the price of admission. :lol: Funny how the officer next to him had no problem negotiating same ramp. Ditto for the two-handed water glass. Something looks amiss.

Many are happy (especially his staff) that he read the speech from the prompter and did not do the usual riffing and winging it. But in the end he couldn't resist:

"Tomorrow, America will celebrate a very important anniversary -- the 245th birthday of the US Army. Unrelated, it's going to be my birthday also. I don't know if that happened by accident."
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old salt wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2020 4:42 pm West Point graduation :
https://www.c-span.org/video/?473034-1/ ... nt-address
Nicely done by USMA. Surprising apolitical, appropriate, & inspiring words delivered by CinC Trump.
The policy takeaway I was listening for came from 53:30 to 1:03.00
A good friend’s son graduated today. Happy for him.
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Wasn't sure where to put this, but FYI:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/as ... story.html

"Twenty Indian soldiers were killed in clashes with Chinese troops high in the Himalayas, the Indian army said Tuesday, marking the most serious conflict between the two nuclear-armed neighbors in decades.

The deaths occurred in the mountainous region of Ladakh where India and China share a disputed — but largely peaceful — border. No Indian soldiers have been killed in clashes on the frontier between the two countries since 1975, experts say, and no casualties of this magnitude have occurred since 1967.

The world’s two most populous nations, India and China are both rising powers that view each other warily. Apart from a war in 1962, they have tended to resolve periodic flare-ups along the border through negotiation.

In recent weeks, however, tensions between the two countries have spiked. Indian and Chinese troops engaged in physical brawls that left dozens injured at two points along their 2,200-mile frontier.

Analysts say that Chinese troops have also moved to establish a presence in four areas claimed by India near the unofficial border in Ladakh, leading to a tense standoff involving thousands of troops from both countries. Senior military officials have held meetings in the area to try to resolve the issue.

Instead, the clash on Monday night marks a grave escalation. India at first said that three soldiers had died in a “violent faceoff” that caused “casualties on both sides.” Later Tuesday, the Indian Army said in a statement that 17 more Indian troops who were “critically injured in the line of duty” had “succumbed to their injuries.” It did not say how they were killed. The troops of the two armies in the area subsequently “disengaged,” the statement said.

Col. Zhang Shuli, a spokesman for the Chinese military, said there had been a “fierce physical conflict, causing casualties.” He accused India of crossing the unofficial border between the two countries — known as the “Line of Actual Control” — to “launch a provocative attack.” India blamed the conflict on China’s attempt to “change the status quo” in the area.

The clash comes at a time when China is flexing its muscles across the region amid a global pandemic. In recent weeks it has confronted Malaysian and Vietnamese vessels in the South China Sea and twice sailed an aircraft carrier through the Taiwan Strait. China also unilaterally moved to seize new powers over Hong Kong.Like other countries in the region, India views China’s rise with disquiet. In recent years, India has drawn closer to the United States, partly due to shared concerns over China’s growing influence.

Most of lengthy frontier between India and China is neither marked in real life nor delineated on any maps shared by the two countries. Instead, the Indian and Chinese armies send patrols up to what they claim is the Line of Actual Control and then retreat. Altercations have ensued but rarely serious ones.

What occurred last month is qualitatively different, analysts say. Instead of expanding patrol arcs deeper into Indian-claimed areas as they have done in the past, Chinese troops have “taken physical possession by occupying territory,” said Ashley Tellis, a former senior George W. Bush administration official and longtime India expert.

Chinese troops have crossed several kilometers into territory that India claims at several different points in Ladakh, according to analysts and media reports. In particular, reports say, they have occupied an area in the Galwan River valley that overlooks a strategically crucial road for India. Monday night’s deadly clashes took place in the Galwan valley, the Indian Army said.

India has limited options for responding to what it considers Chinese incursions. “Any attempt at physical eviction is going to lead to major conflict,” said Tellis. Instead, India is likely to try to negotiate a withdrawal while blocking any future intrusions, he said.

The last standoff between the two countries occurred in 2017, when China began extending a road near a spot where India, China and Bhutan meet. Several hundred Indian troops blocked the construction of the road. Two months later, after talks between the two countries, the soldiers retreated.

Unlike that flare-up, there is no immediate local trigger for the current conflict, said D.S. Hooda, a retired general who previously commanded the Indian army forces in Kashmir. While India is building a road in the area, it has been under construction for a decade, Hooda said, and is already in use. Instead, China’s recent moves are part of a “bigger game plan,” he said. “They obviously want to pressurize India.”

Last month, President Trump said that the United States was “ready, willing and able to mediate or arbitrate” what he described as a “raging border dispute” between India and China. Neither country accepted the offer.

It is unclear exactly what prompted Monday’s conflict or how the injuries were caused. One of the Indian soldiers who was killed was a father of two serving in an artillery regiment, according to his family.

Hu Xijin, editor of the nationalist state-run newspaper, the Global Times, said on Chinese-language Weibo that his sources told him there had been Chinese casualties in the clash, but he did not specify if there were any deaths or give further details.

“I want to tell Indians: do not misjudge China's restraint as weakness, and never be arrogant before China,” he said. “China does not want conflict with India, but it is never afraid of conflict.”

Song Zhongping, a Chinese military analyst and former lecturer at the People’s Liberation Army Rocket Force University of Engineering, accused India of engaging in a series of premeditated escalations “to distract from their domestic political situation.” China needs to “try the best methods to resolve the issue by diplomatic means, but also prepare militarily for the worst outcome.”

Earlier this month the Chinese military staged a drill that moved thousands of paratroopers “within hours” from central Hubei province to a remote Himalayan mountain range. The exercise, which was publicized by the PLA, was designed to send a message that China was able to rapidly deploy reinforcements to the Indian border and fight in low-temperature and low-oxygen conditions, according to state media.

Indian analysts said that China’s actions were another sign of its aggressive intentions in the region. There is a “new edge” to China’s attitude, said Nirupama Rao, a former Indian ambassador to China. “This assertiveness, this readiness to throw [away] internationally accepted behavior to advance their claims and interests, it’s worrisome for so many countries
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Now on the Big Stick :

Capt Crozier won't be coming back & our former Strike Group Commander won't be frocked to 2 star just yet.
https://news.usni.org/2020/06/19/tr-inv ... more-77700

Capt. Brett Crozier, who commanded USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN-71) until April, will not be reinstated to lead the ship, will not be eligible for future command and faces additional administrative punishment that will be overseen by the U.S. Pacific Fleet commander Adm. John Aquilino.

Additionally, the promotion of then-strike group commander Rear Adm. Stuart Baker to a two-star admiral is on hold pending further investigation, Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Mike Gilday told reporters on Friday afternoon. Baker led the TR Carrier Strike Group until earlier this month, when he turned over command and was headed to a new job at U.S. Indo-Pacific Command.

Gilday told reporters that Crozier’s removal was justified based on his performance after the initial outbreak occurred on the carrier rather than the leaked message to Navy leadership.

“Capt. Crozier’s performance during this unprecedented crisis fell short in several key ways. Specifically, during the ship’s transit to Guam CAPT Crozier took some steps to slow the spread of COVID-19 throughout the ship, but he did not ensure physical distancing was implemented onboard. While this is challenging on an aircraft carrier, it remained an essential preventative measure to mitigate widespread transmission,” reads Gilday’s endorsement of the investigation.
“He did not plan for and egress sailors off the ship and onto the base fast enough. If there were obstacles to expeditious egress, he did not aggressively seek solutions. Instead, he was improperly focused on the ideal [course of action] (hotels) and not the most likely [course of action] (on-base facilities). He narrowly focused on what he considered to be obstacles outside of his control rather than ‘owning the plan’ by quickly and effectively implementing available options within his span of control.”
I'm interested to read what the investigation report details regarding available options which did not include off base facilities.
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old salt wrote: Fri Jun 19, 2020 5:02 pm Now on the Big Stick :

Capt Crozier won't be coming back & our former Strike Group Commander won't be frocked to 2 star just yet.
https://news.usni.org/2020/06/19/tr-inv ... more-77700

Capt. Brett Crozier, who commanded USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN-71) until April, will not be reinstated to lead the ship, will not be eligible for future command and faces additional administrative punishment that will be overseen by the U.S. Pacific Fleet commander Adm. John Aquilino.

Additionally, the promotion of then-strike group commander Rear Adm. Stuart Baker to a two-star admiral is on hold pending further investigation, Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Mike Gilday told reporters on Friday afternoon. Baker led the TR Carrier Strike Group until earlier this month, when he turned over command and was headed to a new job at U.S. Indo-Pacific Command.

Gilday told reporters that Crozier’s removal was justified based on his performance after the initial outbreak occurred on the carrier rather than the leaked message to Navy leadership.

“Capt. Crozier’s performance during this unprecedented crisis fell short in several key ways. Specifically, during the ship’s transit to Guam CAPT Crozier took some steps to slow the spread of COVID-19 throughout the ship, but he did not ensure physical distancing was implemented onboard. While this is challenging on an aircraft carrier, it remained an essential preventative measure to mitigate widespread transmission,” reads Gilday’s endorsement of the investigation.
“He did not plan for and egress sailors off the ship and onto the base fast enough. If there were obstacles to expeditious egress, he did not aggressively seek solutions. Instead, he was improperly focused on the ideal [course of action] (hotels) and not the most likely [course of action] (on-base facilities). He narrowly focused on what he considered to be obstacles outside of his control rather than ‘owning the plan’ by quickly and effectively implementing available options within his span of control.”
I'm interested to read what the investigation report details regarding available options which did not include off base facilities.
This should be reevaluated when Biden is Commander in Chief. There is no question that Trump and Esper have already politicized the U.S. military hierarchy. Just take a look at how the current Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff had to issue a humbling public video apology after he was shamed by his peers for supporting Trump’s disgusting photo op in Lafayette Park. When’s the last time a Joint Chiefs Chairman had to make an apology like that? Exactly ....

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DocBarrister wrote: Fri Jun 19, 2020 5:25 pm
old salt wrote: Fri Jun 19, 2020 5:02 pm Now on the Big Stick :

Capt Crozier won't be coming back & our former Strike Group Commander won't be frocked to 2 star just yet.

https://news.usni.org/2020/06/19/tr-inv ... more-77700

I'm interested to read what the investigation report details regarding available options which did not include off base facilities.
This should be reevaluated when Biden is Commander in Chief. There is no question that Trump and Esper have already politicized the U.S. military hierarchy. Just take a look at how the current Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff had to issue a humbling public video apology after he was shamed by his peers for supporting Trump’s disgusting photo op in Lafayette Park. When’s the last time a Joint Chiefs Chairman had to make an apology like that? Exactly ....

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Irrelevant. Trump had nothing to do with what happened on the TR or on Guam.
His few public utterances were sympathetic to both Crozier & Modly.
He stayed out of it, let the Navy investigate & act accordingly.
All the things the retired Flag Officers have been criticizing him of not doing.
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Image what the Navy would say about o d reaction to the whole Pandemic!

Gilday told reporters that Crozier’s removal was justified based on his performance after the initial outbreak occurred on the carrier rather than the leaked message to Navy leadership.

“Capt. Crozier’s performance during this unprecedented crisis fell short in several key ways. Specifically, during the ship’s transit to Guam CAPT Crozier took some steps to slow the spread of COVID-19 throughout the ship, but he did not ensure physical distancing was implemented onboard. While this is challenging on an aircraft carrier, it remained an essential preventative measure to mitigate widespread transmission,” reads Gilday’s endorsement of the investigation.

“He did not plan for and egress sailors off the ship and onto the base fast enough. If there were obstacles to expeditious egress, he did not aggressively seek solutions. Instead, he was improperly focused on the ideal [course of action] (hotels) and not the most likely [course of action] (on-base facilities). He narrowly focused on what he considered to be obstacles outside of his control rather than ‘owning the plan’ by quickly and effectively implementing available options within his span of control.”

Seems like one could replace "Crozier" with "Bone Spur" here...
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The Navy is upholding the firing of Capt. Brett Crozier, the former commanding officer of the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt...
The decision marks a major reversal of senior leaders' previous recommendation to reinstate the captain, the Navy announced Friday.

The Navy will also hold up the promotion of the senior officer onboard the Roosevelt, Rear Adm. Stuart Baker, the commander of Carrier Strike Group 9. The carrier air wing commander and the ship's chief of medical operations will be referred for administrative action, Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Michael Gilday announced.

Crozier will not be eligible for future command, effectively ending his Navy career.

"Both Adm. Baker and Capt. Crozier fell far short of what we expect from those in command," Gilday told reporters while announcing the results of the investigation. "Had I known what I know today I would have not made that recommendation to reinstate Capt. Crozier. Moreover, if Capt. Crozier was still in command today, I would be relieving him."

Gilday stressed that while the email Crozier sent was "unnecessary," as officials were already working to secure space on Guam for the sailors before he pressed send, the leaked email is not the reason Crozier is not being reinstated. He also faulted Modly for suggesting that Crozier intended for the media to see the email.
"Capt. Crozier hit send once, he did not leak that email and he did not intend for it to be leaked," Gilday said.

The investigation found that neither Baker nor Crozier acted quickly enough to prevent the spread of the virus, Gilday said. They were slow to remove sailors from the ship and they also failed to move sailors to available safer environments quickly, he said.

Additionally, Crozier "exercised questionable judgment" when he released sailors from quarantine on the ship, putting his crew at higher risk and increasing the spread of the virus aboard the Roosevelt, Gilday said.

The failure to act seemed to come down to an "almost paralysis" among senior leaders on the ship, Gilday said. After learning of the outbreak on the ship, Baker reportedly countered that less drastic measures should be taken.

"When obstacles arose, both failed to tackle the problem head on and to take charge, and in a number of instances they placed crew comfort in front of crew safety," Gilday said. "Ultimately they were driven by the problem instead of driving decisions."

In another shift in the Navy's thinking, Gilday said while officials earlier believed that the ship was first infected by aircraft crew resupplying the ship, they now think the virus came onboard during a port visit in Vietnam in early March.

Crozier’s ouster in early April was met with backlash on Capitol Hill, where top Democrats have repeatedly called for the Navy to reinstate the skipper. Several Democrats criticized the Navy on Friday for not sticking with its initial recommendation to reverse Crozier's firing.

President Donald Trump initially suggested he would get involved in the investigation, but Navy Secretary Kenneth Braithwaite said the White House did not provide any input into the decision. Defense Secretary Mark Esper, meanwhile, "upholds our conclusions."

The Roosevelt finally got underway in late May after nearly two months sidelined in Guam while its sailors fought the virus.
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That investigation, released Friday, faulted Crozier for how he responded to the outbreak onboard his ship and led Gilday to believe Crozier’s initial firing was justified.
“Had I known then what I know today … if Capt. Crozier was still in command today, I would have relieved him,” Gilday said at a Pentagon press conference.
While “the email and the leak were the genesis of all of this,” Gilday said, “this isn’t about the email and it’s not about the leak.”

The investigation Gilday has endorsed will also delay the two-star promotion Rear Adm. Stuart Baker, the carrier strike group commander.
“In reviewing both Adm. Baker and Capt. Crozier’s actions, they did not do enough, soon enough, to fulfill their primary obligations and they did not effectively carry out our guidelines,” Gilday said.

Navy Secretary Kenneth Braithwaite, who was sworn in May 29, acknowledged that “a rush to judgement became part of the equation” in the Crozier case, which played out in the chaotic onset of the virus’ spread in the U.S. military and America this spring, a series of events that included Modly’s dissing of Crozier and viral videos of the carrier’s crew cheering Crozier as he left the ship.
“This truly illustrates the importance of a thorough investigation,” Braithwaite said at the press conference. “If we had done the due diligence from the beginning, we would’ve come up with the total facts that led us to make the right conclusion much earlier.”

The Navy’s new investigation “put enough doubt in my mind,” about Crozier’s ability to command, Gilday said.
Crozier’s leaked letter, first obtained by the San Francisco Chronicle, warned that “Sailors do not need to die.”
“If we do not act now, we are failing to properly take care of our most trusted asset — our Sailors,” he wrote in his plea for help.

But according to Gilday, the wheels were already in motion to secure beds for TR sailors in Guam, and Crozier was slow in getting his men and women off the ship.
“The email and letter sent by Capt. Crozier were unnecessary,” Gilday said. “Actions were already underway…those wheels were well in motion.”
In the 72 hours before Crozier sent his now-infamous email, he did not plan for or egress sailors off the ship and onto Naval Base Guam fast enough, the investigating officer, Adm. Robert Burke, wrote.
Crozier was too focused on getting his sailors into hotels that were not yet available, instead of sending them off the ship and into base facilities like gyms which provided each sailor 72 square-feet of distance, according to the investigation and Gilday.
“If there were obstacles to expeditious egress, he did not aggressively seek solutions,” Burke wrote.

The investigation also faults Baker, the strike group commander, for not getting sailors off the ship faster.
“I was not impressed by the slow egress off the ship, the lack of a plan to do so,” Gilday added.

Burke wrote that Crozier did not intend for his email and letter to be released to the media.
“Importantly, his email and letter were sent hours after a decision had been made by the Government of Guam to open hotels for CAPT Crozier’s crew,” the investigation states. “His email neither accelerated that decision nor had any positive impact on the outcome.”
Crozier failed to brief the carrier strike group CO, Baker, who was on the TR with him, nor did he include the head of the Japan-based 7th Fleet in the correspondence.
Burke also found that Crozier’s performance “during this unprecedented crisis” fell short in other ways.
During the ship’s transit to Guam, Crozier did not ensure physical distancing when possible on the carrier.
Crozier also failed to brief the chain of command during daily video calls about a need for additional support and “exercised questionable judgement when he released Sailors from aft quarantine onboard the ship,” Burke wrote.
“This allowed for increased spread of the virus,” he wrote. “He placed comfort of the crew ahead of safety of the crew at a time when he should have been focused on doing everything he could to slow transmission of COVID-19 by moving Sailors ashore.”

Gilday also criticized the TR’s lack of social distancing when the crew gathered to cheer for Crozier as he left the ship.
Gilday and Braithwaite both said they hope the Navy and the TR’s crew can move on from here.
The 7th Fleet commander, Vice Adm. William Merz, went to Guam and explained these deeper findings to the TR’s crew and answered questions “until they ran out of questions to ask,” Gilday said.
They explained Crozier’s failure to place safety over comfort, and “It was an eye opener for the crew,” Gilday said.

The Navy still doesn’t know who patient zero was aboard the TR, but contrary to media reports, the vector is not believed to have been supply planes flying on and off the carrier, Gilday said.

Burke recommended in his investigation that administrative action also be taken against the carrier’s air wing commander and the TR’s medical officer, decisions that U.S. Pacific Fleet will ultimately adjudicate.

Much has been made of the TR’s port visit to Da Nang, Vietnam, in early March, and whether that visit brought the novel coronavirus onboard.
Gilday said the visit was approved by Adm. Phil Davidson, the head of U.S. Indo-Pacific Command, and was based on U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention guidance at the time.
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The CNO said the two-month-long deeper investigation, ordered by McPherson, made additional facts visible. That included the decision to lift quarantine in part of the ship, which allowed about 1,000 crew members to potentially expose other sailors to the virus, Gilday said. He also said Crozier and Baker failed to take advantage of 700 beds in a gym in Guam that were spaced 6 feet apart, choosing to put his sailors' "comfort over safety."

In his endorsement letter accompanying the results of the investigation, Gilday said he thought Crozier had the best interests of his crew and the readiness of the ship in mind. But, he added, Crozier did not "forcefully and expeditiously execute the best possible and available plan, or do enough, soon enough."

Baker and Crozier were talking to the U.S. Seventh Fleet commander every day, Gilday told reporters on Friday, and if the two had issues they should have raised them.

"If [Crozier] fearlessly communicated with that email that he sent -- that I've never disagreed with, his fearless sending of the email -- then he certainly should have just [as] fearlessly communicated issues every day during those video teleconferences," Gilday said.
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Gilday said that before Crozier sent the email, the captain already failed in his primary job: to keep his crew safe. He said the CO moved too slowly to quarantine sailors while they were at sea and evacuate sailors upon reaching Guam, describing the carrier’s command team as in “almost paralysis.” He said that soon after Crozier requested 1,000 beds ashore, Naval Base Guam and the local government and hotel industry made some 2,400 beds available — yet Crozier failed to make and execute a plan to swiftly move sailors.

“I was not impressed by the slow egress off the ship,” nor by Crozier’s decision to lift quarantine in the aft section of the ship, Gilday said. These and other decisions by the CO put the crew’s “comfort before safety,” he said.

Gilday ...said the email was all about what Crozier “needed, and not what he was doing.” In general, Gilday said, Crozier did not demonstrate timely effective, and full communication up the chain of command.

Gilday said that he would direct Pacific Fleet commander Adm. John Aquilino to read the investigation’s final report and take appropriate “administrative action” against Crozier, the commander of the carrier’s air wing, and the ship’s chief medical officer.
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Defund the EUroburghers :
https://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2020/0 ... d_brief_nl

The U.S. never intended its German garrison to be permanent.

Trump has reportedly directed the Pentagon to withdraw 9,500 troops from Germany, about one-quarter of the U.S. force garrisoned there.
Trump’s suggestion brought predictable bipartisan alarm in Congress and editorial pages, but it’s actually a modest and overdue step that should be a down payment towards broader drawdown in Europe....this is a sound idea deserving defense, and is far more consistent with traditional American foreign policy than the reaction suggests.

At one point in the 1960s, the United States had almost 275,000 troops in Germany. That number fell to around 200,000 by Cold War’s end and steadily since then, to 34,500. The reduction reflects the decline in the Soviet/ Russian threat. Further diminishment is hardly revolutionary.
The U.S. garrisoning of Germany was not originally meant to be permanent. The United States deployed troops to Germany early in the Cold War for two famous reasons: to keep the Soviet army out (that is, deterred from conquering West Germany and using it as a springboard to threaten the United States) and to keep West Germany down, which meant preventing its remilitarization and becoming a nuclear power. That would have alarmed European partners and potentially scared the USSR into starting World War III.

The U.S. deployment to Germany, and the NATO alliance it served, were remarkably successful. Not only did the alliance peacefully win the Cold War, but Europe largely got rich. In fact, the U.S. troop presence was overly successful in keeping Germany down. Like other NATO allies, it now happily lets the U.S. pay for a chunk of Europe’s collective defense and spends its own tax money on other priorities.

Meanwhile, U.S. elite thinking on NATO shifted. Instead of bringing all U.S. troops home after the end of the Cold War, new generations of U.S. leaders saw stationing some U.S. forces in Europe as a lever to boss its politics. The new idea—rarely articulated for fear of upsetting the allies—was to keep them dependent on protection lest they become a unified power that could buck U.S. leadership.

Compared to the Soviet Union, Russia isn’t much of a threat. It has half the population of the USSR and an economy smaller than Italy’s. The European allies, meanwhile, are about as rich as we are. Their economies are collectively more than ten times bigger than Russia’s, and they have about three times its population. Non-U.S. NATO countries also spend more than four times what Russia does on defense.

What’s lacking is the ability to use this power collectively and independently of U.S. hand-holding. Including the forces in Germany, we have more than 70,000 well-trained and well-equipped service personnel in Europe. Tens of thousands more are back home committed to Europe’s defense. The wars in Libya and Afghanistan show how dependent European allies are on U.S. help for intelligence and logistics support.

Long before Donald Trump got the job, U.S. presidents hectored Europeans to spend more on defense (albeit usually more politely). The Europeans reliably pledge to do more but never quite manage. NATO’s longstanding goal is having each member spend two percent of their GDP for defense—though hardly any of the major European countries meet it. The U.S. spends 3.5 percent of GDP on defense. Germany, Europe’s biggest and richest nation, spends 1.2 percent. It plans now to reach 2 percent by 2031 or so. Why rush, when the U.S. supplies the needed military muscle practically for free and Russia remains more bark than bite?

Removing troops from Germany is a better way to address this problem than simply complaining louder. If the shift means allies devote more effort to defense, that’s good. If they don’t, that too is fine, since the U.S. taxpayer saves either way.

Outraged columns greet any suggestion of lessening the U.S. military presence in Europe but ring a bit hollow. The warnings focus on symbolism and hurting allied feelings, but no one makes the case that U.S. security depends on an increment 10,000 troops in Germany. That Germany is essentially secure either way is hardly in dispute.

We’re often told that bases in Europe are key to U.S. military activities further afield in the Middle East. Recent U.S. experience suggests that this is a better rationale for closing European bases than for keeping them. In any case, Europeans will still seek U.S. friendship and provide bases if needed after a U.S. drawdown. Good relations needn’t depend on permanent garrisons.

It’s time to defund our subsidization of rich European countries through NATO. This doesn’t mean entirely abandoning them, not immediately at any rate. It means reducing the U.S. defense commitment in Germany and elsewhere in Europe in recognition of the continent’s historic safety, recent Russian mischief notwithstanding. We can safely tell the Europeans we’ll be there if they really need us, in the safe assumption that they won’t. Let’s go back to the old plan, where their ability to take care of themselves means they should.
Grennell warned the Germans last Aug. It's the only way to get them to take their own defense seriously & fix their dysfunctional, broken military.

https://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2019/0 ... ed-article
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Can any of the old guard here report if they every voted while abroad?

3.2 million military personnel voted during World War II in the 1944 presidential election from overseas.

They voted .... by mail.

Seems to me that this has always been a common and valid practice.
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