Race in America - Riots Explode in Chicago

[Farfromgeneva]

Ahh got it. That was a long time ago now, have to go back to 1980s or earlier. Was reading some history about Binghamton and Broome Co recently and when growing up I had it in my head that the decline really precipitated in the second half of 80s and beyond but realized it was really like 1960s and 1970s. This is generally true of Roch, Buff and Syracuse as well. The golden era was a lot further back than I think people realize.

[6ftstick]

Weren’t they proposing putting something else up in its place? That would be equally stupid and a waste of precious resources in a uncertain period in time, no?

Who needs sculpture and creativity

Especially if it might offend some snowflake

The Pieta Michaelangelo—what a waste of marble

David Michalangelo—who needs it.

The Thinker Rodin—save the money

The little dancer Degas—oh please

Better dynamite Mt Rushmore

[cradleandshoot]

I always wanted to be a professional athlete when I was growing up but wasn’t cut out to be one. It’s a tragedy when anyone goes through mental health issues, I crashed a few years back from losing my dad unexpectedly then his two brothers dying from brain cancers and suicide within two years, a miscarriage in between two kids and a boss who picked $250k from my pocket in bonus money I was contractually due by reallocating revenues behind my back and had to finally go see someone, not as bad as your nephew, only mild clinical depression (sertralin, rich wife stuff, 150mgs/day), adhd (no point in medicating that my psychologist suggested that most higher performing or people with advanced degrees have some of it in general) and even deep anxiety to which she won’t let my GP prescribe Xanax bc “I have no filters of any kind” (which I’m sure some of you will jump on but then come say it to my face and see which Unfiltered response you get). I hope he does well but no one has a right to their dream job and it has to be the right fit and it has to be earned every day. Sounds like he wasn’t cut out for it because some turd comes with that job and that’s the deal.

He found the medication that works for him smoking weed. They had him on all kinds of psych meds for awhile. It seems to be something that works for him. I tried to call him this afternoon but his number is not in service. My nephew is the poster child for why all cops need to be evaluated on a regular basis. Especially if you have been injured repeatedly in the line of service. I dont know, maybe it is a PTSD thing. The job changes you and that change is not for the good.

[Farfromgeneva]

Weren’t they proposing putting something else up in its place? That would be equally stupid and a waste of precious resources in a uncertain period in time, no?

Who needs sculpture and creativity

Especially if it might offend some snowflake

The Pieta Michaelangelo—what a waste of marble

David Michalangelo—who needs it.

The Thinker Rodin—save the money

The little dancer Degas—oh please

Better dynamite Mt Rushmore

Can you distinguish between a memorial and art in your brian? And how many have you seen in person.

Just a jerkoff comment. Adds nothing. It’s all our egos that make us think it’s logical to erect permanent markers of our eras of time. Arrogance. We all die and can’t explain why we are here.

[ChairmanOfTheBoard]

Weren’t they proposing putting something else up in its place? That would be equally stupid and a waste of precious resources in a uncertain period in time, no?

not sure, but yes to this.

[cradleandshoot]

That’s easy, the failure over time of Kodak and Bausch and Lomb alone crushed that area. My uncle (who ultimately killed him sled in retirement over in Rome NY) has d an AA and was able to work up to line manager making $100-$120k in the 1990s and have a nice home in Penfield. All those gigs are gone and Paychex can’t replace a fraction of them.

You would be correct. The 90s were not good for business in Rochester.

[Farfromgeneva]

I always wanted to be a professional athlete when I was growing up but wasn’t cut out to be one. It’s a tragedy when anyone goes through mental health issues, I crashed a few years back from losing my dad unexpectedly then his two brothers dying from brain cancers and suicide within two years, a miscarriage in between two kids and a boss who picked $250k from my pocket in bonus money I was contractually due by reallocating revenues behind my back and had to finally go see someone, not as bad as your nephew, only mild clinical depression (sertralin, rich wife stuff, 150mgs/day), adhd (no point in medicating that my psychologist suggested that most higher performing or people with advanced degrees have some of it in general) and even deep anxiety to which she won’t let my GP prescribe Xanax bc “I have no filters of any kind” (which I’m sure some of you will jump on but then come say it to my face and see which Unfiltered response you get). I hope he does well but no one has a right to their dream job and it has to be the right fit and it has to be earned every day. Sounds like he wasn’t cut out for it because some turd comes with that job and that’s the deal.

He found the medication that works for him smoking weed. They had him on all kinds of psych meds for awhile. It seems to be something that works for him. I tried to call him this afternoon but his number is not in service. My nephew is the poster child for why all cops need to be evaluated on a regular basis. Especially if you have been injured repeatedly in the line of service. I dont know, maybe it is a PTSD thing. The job changes you and that change is not for the good.

My psychologist has reluctantly agreed if necessary and managed and she would want me to write down the results in a journal but that weed can be useful, better for many than Xanax.

I’ve also been reading this book from a guy named Michael Pollen about therapy through psychedelics. Haven’t tried it yet but am intrigued. Plenty of PhDs wilL do this on an underground basis since its technically illegal.

Trust me that I take your nephews situation very seriously but I don’t see how that makes it ok to take it out on the citizens especially when it causes a loss of life. Hope he finds his “home”. My uncle on my moms side who’s literally genius level IQ but also did a ton of acid and other drugs including crack Living in projects in Albany in the 70s and 80s. His son was murdered in a mass shooting in Seattle in 2006, Jason Travers-Easy to look up, so I can’t tell how much of his issues are my POS abusive grandfather, his sons murder or the drugs but I hate how he lives in a crappy small place in Ravens, Ny.

[Farfromgeneva]

That’s easy, the failure over time of Kodak and Bausch and Lomb alone crushed that area. My uncle (who ultimately killed him sled in retirement over in Rome NY) has d an AA and was able to work up to line manager making $100-$120k in the 1990s and have a nice home in Penfield. All those gigs are gone and Paychex can’t replace a fraction of them.

You would be correct. The 90s were not good for business in Rochester.

That’s the same uncle who killed himself this decade. Left a note, his wife had died a few years earlier, that just said heart hurts, body hurts. Drove out to the woods and shot himself. (Body part is he was huge, my dads family from Savona NY are all built like Rob Gronkowski but all got fat later in life and had knee replacements and stuff like that).

[6ftstick]

Weren’t they proposing putting something else up in its place? That would be equally stupid and a waste of precious resources in a uncertain period in time, no?

Who needs sculpture and creativity

Especially if it might offend some snowflake

The Pieta Michaelangelo—what a waste of marble

David Michalangelo—who needs it.

The Thinker Rodin—save the money

The little dancer Degas—oh please

Better dynamite Mt Rushmore

Can you distinguish between a memorial and art in your brian? And how many have you seen in person.

Just a jerkoff comment. Adds nothing. It’s all our egos that make us think it’s logical to erect permanent markers of our eras of time. Arrogance. We all die and can’t explain why we are here.

You have no clue.

You ever seen the Piccirilli Brothers Lincoln in the Lincoln memorial. Took 4 years to sculpt

19'5 ft high Jefferson by Rudolf Evans at The Jefferson Memorial dedicated by FDR

Nah those aren't works of art.

No human ever does anything that needs rememberance or reverence. Especially white guys.

[Typical Lax Dad]

That’s easy, the failure over time of Kodak and Bausch and Lomb alone crushed that area. My uncle (who ultimately killed him sled in retirement over in Rome NY) has d an AA and was able to work up to line manager making $100-$120k in the 1990s and have a nice home in Penfield. All those gigs are gone and Paychex can’t replace a fraction of them.

You would be correct. The 90s were not good for business in Rochester.

I can tell you this, Rochester isn’t as bad as my home town. We have the “maximize shareholder value” mantra and the breaking of labor unions to thank. Those folks in Rochester should be doing better. Have you seen how the market has increased since 1990. I was last in Rochester for a pitch to Kodak. It was a long time ago when they were investment grade.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Weren’t they proposing putting something else up in its place? That would be equally stupid and a waste of precious resources in a uncertain period in time, no?

Who needs sculpture and creativity

Especially if it might offend some snowflake

The Pieta Michaelangelo—what a waste of marble

David Michalangelo—who needs it.

The Thinker Rodin—save the money

The little dancer Degas—oh please

Better dynamite Mt Rushmore

Can you distinguish between a memorial and art in your brian? And how many have you seen in person.

Just a jerkoff comment. Adds nothing. It’s all our egos that make us think it’s logical to erect permanent markers of our eras of time. Arrogance. We all die and can’t explain why we are here.

You have no clue.

You ever seen the Piccirilli Brothers Lincoln in the Lincoln memorial. Took 4 years to sculpt

19'5 ft high Jefferson by Rudolf Evans at The Jefferson Memorial dedicated by FDR

Nah those aren't works of art.

No human ever does anything that needs rememberance or reverence. Especially white guys.

Is that what you tell your students?

[Farfromgeneva]

I have no clue? Lived in DC for 4-5yrs.

Also seen the Sistine chapel. Most underwhelming part of the tour in the Vatican.

Taj Mahal-prepare to be bored.

Backpack around continental Europe? Once you’ve seen a handful of pretty and decadent architectural bldgs and art museums it becomes much more interesting to go do the real life stuff and mix in with what people are doing boots on the ground. Life is for living not memorializing because when it’s gone, man it’s gone.

[6ftstick]

I have no clue? Lived in DC for 4-5yrs.

Also seen the Sistine chapel. Most underwhelming part of the tour in the Vatican.

Taj Mahal-prepare to be bored.

Backpack around continental Europe? Once you’ve seen a handful of pretty and decadent architectural bldgs and art museums it becomes much more interesting to go do the real life stuff and mix in with what people are doing boots on the ground. Life is for living not memorializing because when it’s gone, man it’s gone.

Youve got a real eye their pally

[Farfromgeneva]

That’s easy, the failure over time of Kodak and Bausch and Lomb alone crushed that area. My uncle (who ultimately killed him sled in retirement over in Rome NY) has d an AA and was able to work up to line manager making $100-$120k in the 1990s and have a nice home in Penfield. All those gigs are gone and Paychex can’t replace a fraction of them.

You would be correct. The 90s were not good for business in Rochester.

I can tell you this, Rochester isn’t as bad as my home town. We have the “maximize shareholder value” mantra and the breaking of labor unions to thank. Those folks in Rochester should be doing better. Have you seen how the market has increased since 1990. I was last in Rochester for a pitch to Kodak. It was a long time ago when they were investment grade.

I recall debating with my boss in NY in 2006 whether we wanted to ask to have Kodak thrown out of a pool of credit defaults swap payment backed CDO bonds were buying comprised of junk rated companies. Arcane but ultimately decided that if we got three years, which I predicted 5, then we could roll down the credit curve and the Wharf would be fine so we kept it in and kicked out Deluxe Corp (maker of paper checks) instead.

[Farfromgeneva]

I have no clue? Lived in DC for 4-5yrs.

Also seen the Sistine chapel. Most underwhelming part of the tour in the Vatican.

Taj Mahal-prepare to be bored.

Backpack around continental Europe? Once you’ve seen a handful of pretty and decadent architectural bldgs and art museums it becomes much more interesting to go do the real life stuff and mix in with what people are doing boots on the ground. Life is for living not memorializing because when it’s gone, man it’s gone.

Youve got a real eye their pally

Based on what you spew here I wouldn’t take a lesson from you.

I love art, happen to be a massive fan of a Belgian dude named Rene Magritte. Just see this finite planet as one to be lived in more than built on. Been to Troy as well not to mention hiked the Inca trail to Macau Picchu. Coolest architecture I ever saw was the Buddhist stuff in Khatmandu, one of the tweety poorest countries in the world where the monkeys at the temple would rape And kill you just for fun.

Other cool spots would include Topkapi Palace in Istanbul and my favorite spot in the world which is this small city in Czech Repub that’s a UNESCO site called Csesky Krumlov.

Liked the Degas in Glasgow museum. Brussels has some good museums, went up to Knokke and saw a private Magritte collection at a casino.

But you get to tell everyone else who knows art right. Not the convention that art is something that creates a meaningful visceral reaction inside a person. Hell, wasn’t my best class but even took a philosophy of art class at Hobart.

Try to check everything out. Still prefer living life over memorializing thins while timing up precious natural resources.

[foreverlax]

Thank you for you reply NJ. i new that the usual suspects here would disagree with me.


"What “threat”? If the cops thought he was a threat, they would have frisked or searched him. Instead, they simply shoved him to the ground and walked right past him. If he was a threat, why did they turn their backs on him? Why did they allow his hands to remain free?"

I remember this happening just like it was yesterday. My nephew had been a beat cop on patrol for the Rochester Police Department for about a month. This was memorable be cause it was the first time as a family we had to go to RGH because he had been injured on the job. He just walked out of a convenient store on Hudson Ave. A harmless little old guy waves for him to come over. The harmless little old guy punches him in the face and breaks his beer bottle over his forehead. Memory serves me it was a broken nose, a fractured cheek bone and stiches for the cut on his forehead. Of course you are right NJ, those little old guys are completely harmless aren't they. I only wish that in YOUR WORLD at least once a week the people you interact with would treat you the very same way. Maybe one week it is a punch in the face. The next week it is a kick in your balls. The next week they bite you in your arm. How would you adapt to that challenge NJ?

You can't answer because you sit fat, dumb and happy in your little world of FLP happiness. Here is a suggestion for you. Why don't you give yourself an opportunity to spend some time in the trenches? your a jersey guy, you could easily volunteer for some ride-along time on the evening shift in Newark or Camden. You could use some your r legal beagle knowledge to help these officers understand how they could do their jobs better. If your REALLY lucky, maybe some old guy will punch you in the face and whack a beer bottle over your head. I bet it gives you a different perspective than where you sit today. That would be your little ass is sitting protected in the catbird seat while you pass judgement on all the other cops. When you are willing to put your own ass even for a day in the cops shoes, then maybe you earn the right to an opinion that is more knowledgeable than what oozes out of your lily white protected ass.

Maybe your nephew should have just shot the guy first. You know, shoot first, ask questions later.

Comes with the job. If you can’t take it, quit.

Thanks for your kind thoughts NJ. My nephew had to quit because he was a suicidal basket case. When he was not trying to drink himself to death he tried to eat his handgun a couple of times. His fellow officers talked him out of it. He is doing great now, lives in Seattle, works on a fishing boat the last I knew. He smokes a lot of weed, he loves his 2 dogs and as far as I know he has not tried to blow his brains out in a few years. Thanks for your kind thoughts and go F**K yourself you jerk.

+1

The left expresses itself very clearly on this board. cradle's reply is justified.

Of course you have to troll.....more of a "lost in the translation". More cops should quit if they feel "it's" slipping away.

How many people do you know in any job that are willing or even aware that it is slipping away from them?

Certainly not enough...MJ did!!

Apart from cops, doctors are a concern...and too old to quit financial advisors.

Cops and Docs can kill, brokers can only make you want to be dead.

[CU77]

DeNeen L. Brown in the wapo:

A white classmate from college recently sent an email. She recalled that decades ago, I talked to her about racism when we were both students.

We walked across campus as I talked. Perhaps I was trying to explain institutional racism, or racism and Western Civilization, or racism and literature. She told me she didn’t believe me then but that the conversation stayed with her.

I have no recollection of this conversation. It sounds like my younger self — the self not yet exhausted explaining racism to white people.

I'm not sure how to respond.

Explaining racism is exhausting. It’s exhausting to explain to people who don’t believe you, or who look at you with blank expressions. Or, worse, who ask, “How do you know that happened because of race?”

You try to summon the ancestors, who might give you energy to explain. But I no longer want to explain it.

Black people are in pain right now. We wake up each morning to another horrible story about black men and teenagers killed. Black women shot. Black women tackled by police.

And we think about the enslaved black women who were raped, who were subjected to rape at the pleasure of white enslavers. They had no power to defend themselves.

We watch video of a black woman in Indiana protesting. An officer stops her, grabs her arms then grabs her breasts. She reacts instinctively. She pulls away. He throws her to the ground, then sits on her.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... ain-racism

[CU88]

"By removing qualified immunity, what you're doing is essentially not allowing police to do their job," White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany. "Taking away qualified immunity would make this country much less safe."


Police can’t do their job without violating the Constitution and people’s rights?
Qualified immunity only protects police who *have* violated someone’s rights.
How does allowing them to violate rights with impunity make anyone safer?

[RedFromMI]

Officer who fatally shot Rayshard Brooks in Atlanta charged with murder

https://www.kwch.com/content/news/Atlan ... 17711.html

The Atlanta officer who fatally shot Rayshard Brooks in the back after the fleeing man pointed a stun gun in his direction will be charged with felony murder and 10 other charges, a prosecutor said Wednesday.

Garrett Rolfe kicked Brooks while he lay on the ground and the officer with him, Devin Brosnan, stood on Brooks' shoulder as he struggled for life after a confrontation Friday night, Fulton County District Attorney Paul Howard said at a news conference.

“Mr Brooks was running away at the time the shot was fired," Howard said.

Brosnan, who is being charged with aggravated assault, is cooperating with prosecutors in the case and has given testimony as a state's witness, according to Howard, who said it's the first time in 40 such cases where an officer has come forward to do this.

Former officer accused of shooting, killing Rayshard Brooks in Atlanta charged with felony murder, aggravated assault with deadly weapon, criminal damage to property, violation of oath, & aggravated assault.

[Farfromgeneva]

Even the guys colleague is stepping up here. Says a ton.