MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:43 amYou seem to be using the term "old geezer" pejoratively...?cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:31 amIf the old geezer had not gotten into the cops grill it never would have happened. How did these cops know he was unarmed and posed no threat? The old geezer could have easily had a gun tucked in his belt behind his back. It would have been avoidable if the old geezer had not approached the cops. In the middle of a riot control clearing operation that is not the time to chit chat with officers. I don't feel bad for the old geezer. He picked a really, really, really bad time to try and make a political statement. I know my opinion is harsh and uncaring to most folks here. How many of you folks out there would ever get into a cops face for any reason. Getting into a cops face in that type of situation should be the last thing you ever do.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:13 amI quite agree that it was unjustified, part and parcel with the whole attitude, just would want to know more about whether they were repentant.njbill wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:20 pmI’ve seen all I need. Shoving a 75-year-old man to the ground is enough for me.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:04 pm ouch, I'd need to know more about these guys' hearts before wishing any "street justice once they are on the inside" for anyone.
Now, if I found that they spewed anger and hate and were unrepentant...then karma, she is indeed a b-tch.
The only time it EVER would be justified to shove someone like that would be if they were coming at the cop with a gun. Cops are only permitted to use proportional force, that is, force that is reasonable under the circumstances. The force they used might’ve been reasonable if the victim were a 300 lb. NFL lineman. It is entirely unreasonable, and unlawful, to use that degree of force on someone like this guy who was peacefully protesting.
Falls often are deadly to the elderly. Anyone who has lived long enough knows that. I certainly hope this guy recovers, but I fear this event will end up being a bright line event in his physical and mental decline.
"riot control"...no, there wasn't actually a "riot" at that time.
There was a protest, yes, and there'd been a decision to move the crowd (forcefully), but protestors who themselves are not violent have every right to protest without being beaten with batons, knocked to the ground, gassed, etc.
Is a peaceful protestor risking bodily injury when they protest? Yes.
But should that risk come from the police? no
The command issue was the order to move the crowd forcefully. Of course, the "command" was likely to just move the line forward.
We've seen a whole bunch of video now of police going way, way beyond what is necessary to move protestors, really egregious actions taken with zero basis. This is an attitude problem, top to bottom, with some police being given license to act based on their emotions.
"riot control"...no, there wasn't actually a "riot" at that time.
At the time when this happened the officers had been ordered to clear the street. Riot or no riot that is when the operational order came into play. These officers were not privy to the why, they were ordered by higher ups to clear the street. I posted this yesterday MD, you may not have read it. I myself took a pretty good ass beating at the hands of the cops when I was a yute. I was just expressing my opinion of the situation I was in. I had done nothing criminal at all. The 2 cops took me in the back of the patrol car and tag teamed me for a few minutes. They then took me home, explained the situation to my dad and what I had said. After the cops left my dad gave me another ass beating for being disrespectful to the police. What I learned was like the cops or hate the cops, don't get into their grill. I have spent a lifetime since then being a bobblehead saying yes sir, no sir, yes sir. There is no way in hell given that same situation I go anywhere near the cops with the full riot gear and batons. I am the guy leading the charge in the other direction. I know every swinging Richard here is appalled at what the cops in Buffalo did. I am the lone wolf here, my personal experience from long ago has always instinctively told me to always stay as far away from the police as is possible. Given the situation at the time, I have watched the video of this old guy heading TOWARDS the cops and every time I see it i think to myself... WHAT THE EFF WERE YOU THINKING?