Race in America - Riots Explode in Chicago

[wgdsr]

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/videos/us/2020/ ... ad-vpx.cnn

He should file a lawsuit for wrongful termination.

wow. is it possible he didn't see the camera? or hasn't heard of the internet?

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/videos/us/2020/ ... ad-vpx.cnn

He should file a lawsuit for wrongful termination.

wow. is it possible he didn't see the camera? or hasn't heard of the internet?

I am betting on him having a false sense of importance because he puts on a costume to go to work or being dumb.

[6x6]

So, anyone ready to acknowledge this fact.

Turns out the police golden boy Rolfe has 12 incidents in a 7 yr career including a written reprimand for “a use of force incident involving a firearm” in 2017.

Brosnan, the more professional one, yet to have anything in his record over 2 years.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/atlanta-of ... 41?mod=mhp

What percent of police do you think are 'bad apples', farfromgeneva?

Nationally, no idea just throwing numbers out but maybe 5-15%.

More importantly how many are fit to uphold the job they have? How many should have legal authority to take someone’s freedoms, even if for a day, let alone use significant or lethal force? Half. Maybe more. I hold the good, qualified professional ones in the highest esteem, but take the less professional, less qualified ones personally.

Maybe in another generation when the old pension grabbing junk retires and moves on it’ll be much higher but the standard we need to hold these people accountable to should be as high as any in this country given the authority and power they are handed.

Wow 350k or so are unfit, you sure there aren’t more?

In a population of 300mm? You’re seemingly huge number represents 1/10 of 1% of the population. Doesn’t seem like such a large number in that context eh?

The question you were asked seemed to be directed at the current population of those serving in a police capacity. So, with about 700k in various agencies now, your belief seems to be that half need to go.

[kramerica.inc]

GA Sheriff confirms Officer’s actions in Brooks case justified:

https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/ ... 87104?s=21

[6x6]

As these cops are rotting in jail, how many times a day do you think they will regret their actions? Do you think it will be the last thing they think of every night before they go to sleep? Do you think they will regret that one macho moment where they illegally (one using a deadly weapon) shoved an elderly man to the ground?

Do you think they will regret the fact that they will miss their kids growing up, that their wives may divorce them, that other men will raise their children, that they will have humiliated their families, that they will have ruined their own lives?

As far as I’m concerned, I hope these dirty cops rot in hell. I hope they see some street justice once they are on the inside.

Do you feel the same about murderers, rapists, pedophiles, etc. or is just “these cops”?

[Typical Lax Dad]

GA Sheriff confirms Officer’s actions in Brooks case justified:

https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/ ... 87104?s=21

He said the drunk guy may have doubled back after tasing the cop and then could have stolen his gun And then could have shot the immobilized cop because that’s what black drunk guys running from the police after falling asleep I the car do. So he had no choice but to shoot the guy in the back. He’s just another member of the gang. They stick up for their own.

[kramerica.inc]

Not really. This cop said that he was actually outraged, disgusted and sickened at the misuse of force on the Arbury and Lloyd cases, but that THIS case was not one of excessive force.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Not really. This cop said that he was actually outraged, disgusted and sickened at the misuse of force on the Arbury and Lloyd cases, but that THIS case was not one of excessive force.

Well he is entitled to an opinion. Most professionals disagree. Arbury was killed by vigilantes.

[Farfromgeneva]

So, anyone ready to acknowledge this fact.

Turns out the police golden boy Rolfe has 12 incidents in a 7 yr career including a written reprimand for “a use of force incident involving a firearm” in 2017.

Brosnan, the more professional one, yet to have anything in his record over 2 years.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/atlanta-of ... 41?mod=mhp

What percent of police do you think are 'bad apples', farfromgeneva?

Nationally, no idea just throwing numbers out but maybe 5-15%.

More importantly how many are fit to uphold the job they have? How many should have legal authority to take someone’s freedoms, even if for a day, let alone use significant or lethal force? Half. Maybe more. I hold the good, qualified professional ones in the highest esteem, but take the less professional, less qualified ones personally.

Maybe in another generation when the old pension grabbing junk retires and moves on it’ll be much higher but the standard we need to hold these people accountable to should be as high as any in this country given the authority and power they are handed.

Wow 350k or so are unfit, you sure there aren’t more?

In a population of 300mm? You’re seemingly huge number represents 1/10 of 1% of the population. Doesn’t seem like such a large number in that context eh?

The question you were asked seemed to be directed at the current population of those serving in a police capacity. So, with about 700k in various agencies now, your belief seems to be that half need to go.

Yes but if you were truly following along a couple
Of important points being that we distinguished between bad actors and not professional enough and corrupted by a corrupt system. And I said maybe as I was spitballing

But if you’re being honest you threw that number out hoping to get a reaction to a large number to which I’m adding critical context you surely hoped to avoid in your reply.

Depends on if you’re cool with unprepared, Unaccountable, minimal threshold for hiring people running around firing bullets in public chasing misdemeanors down risking other lives and their colleagues who stay quiet, don’t stand up on principal and rather cover up for each other.

[Farfromgeneva]

GA Sheriff confirms Officer’s actions in Brooks case justified:

https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/ ... 87104?s=21

You aware that Burke Co is 3hrs East of Atlanta on the SC border? I don’t think his opinion matters as much as the DA in Fulton Co.

The word confirm is pretty shady, “supported the actions”, meaningfully different would be a much fairer and honest description.

And this is a guy who works in a very different world than Atlanta. Very different. Biggest problem is probably unruly folks around Masters time.

[Farfromgeneva]

As these cops are rotting in jail, how many times a day do you think they will regret their actions? Do you think it will be the last thing they think of every night before they go to sleep? Do you think they will regret that one macho moment where they illegally (one using a deadly weapon) shoved an elderly man to the ground?

Do you think they will regret the fact that they will miss their kids growing up, that their wives may divorce them, that other men will raise their children, that they will have humiliated their families, that they will have ruined their own lives?

As far as I’m concerned, I hope these dirty cops rot in hell. I hope they see some street justice once they are on the inside.

Do you feel the same about murderers, rapists, pedophiles, etc. or is just “these cops”?
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Do you believe he doesn’t? What a silly question. Shouldn’t you be refreshing the QAnom home page and planning an attack on Comet Pizza?

[kramerica.inc]

GA Sheriff confirms Officer’s actions in Brooks case justified:

https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/ ... 87104?s=21

You aware that Burke Co is 3hrs East of Atlanta on the SC border? I don’t think his opinion matters as much as the DA in Fulton Co.

The word confirm is pretty shady, “supported the actions”, meaningfully different would be a much fairer and honest description.

And this is a guy who works in a very different world than Atlanta. Very different. Biggest problem is probably unruly folks around Masters time.

Perhaps, but the guy is a Leo, provides police training to
a lot of cops in GA, so he’s seeing a lot of officers, and he’s a POC. That gives him better insight than all of us here.

His ideas and stated intentions are pretty common sense and essentially what many police reformists on both sides of the conversation want:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wjbf.c ... ality/amp/

[Typical Lax Dad]

GA Sheriff confirms Officer’s actions in Brooks case justified:

https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/ ... 87104?s=21

You aware that Burke Co is 3hrs East of Atlanta on the SC border? I don’t think his opinion matters as much as the DA in Fulton Co.

The word confirm is pretty shady, “supported the actions”, meaningfully different would be a much fairer and honest description.

And this is a guy who works in a very different world than Atlanta. Very different. Biggest problem is probably unruly folks around Masters time.

Perhaps, but the guy is a Leo, provides police training to
a lot of cops in GA, so he’s seeing a lot of officers, and he’s a POC. That gives him better insight than all of us here.

His ideas and stated intentions are pretty common sense and essentially what many police reformists on both sides of the conversation want:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wjbf.c ... ality/amp/

It’s going to be hard to justify shooting a guy running away in the back.... he was afraid yet he was chasing the guy. That’s some bravery...., he’s bad at his job. He should have been fired. When you are bad at your job, as a police officer, American citizens can end up dead with no due process. I wish him well if he avoids jail. He is a good guy. We have to make tough decisions at times. Hand over your badge and your service weapon. Thanks.

[DocBarrister]

GA Sheriff confirms Officer’s actions in Brooks case justified:

https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/ ... 87104?s=21

The two bullets in the back suggest otherwise.

Brooks made a terrible mistake in resisting arrest and taking the officer’s Taser. A horrible, foolish action.

But the officer who fired the two fatal shots has previously been disciplined in an incident involving use of force (preliminary information).

Bad mistakes on both sides, but bottom line is that this encounter should never have ended in a fatal shooting with two bullets in the back.

There is a systemic problem with policing in America.

DocBarrister

[Typical Lax Dad]

GA Sheriff confirms Officer’s actions in Brooks case justified:

https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/ ... 87104?s=21

The two bullets in the back suggest otherwise.

Brooks made a terrible mistake in resisting arrest and taking the officer’s Taser. A horrible, foolish action.

But the officer who fired the two fatal shots has previously been disciplined in an incident involving use of force (preliminary information).

Bad mistakes on both sides, but bottom line is that this encounter should never have ended in a fatal shooting with two bullets in the back.

There is a systemic problem with policing in America.

DocBarrister

Use of Deadly Force
(CALEA 6th ed. Standard 4.2.1)
An employee may use deadly force to apprehend a suspected felon only when:

1. He or she reasonably believes that the suspect possesses a deadly weapon or any object, device, or instrument which, when used offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in serious bodily injury and when he or she reasonably believes that the suspect poses an immediate threat of serious bodily injury to the officer or others; or

2. When there is probable cause to believe that the suspect has committed a crime involving the infliction or threatened infliction of serious physical harm (O.C.G.A. Section 17-4-20) and the employee reasonably believes that the suspect’s escape would create a continuing danger of serious physical harm to any person

Shooting a drunk guy in the back that’s running away may be on another page along with you can shoot a guy in the back because he punched you and wrestled himself away and you were pissed off so you...

Sleeping in a drive thru being a felony was also on another page.

[cradleandshoot]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/202 ... 324881002/

i think I remember some of the FLP cumquats on this forum telling us this was done by just a teensie tiny group of people. WRONGO, this was a very sophisticated operation carried out with the precision of a Swiss watch. 1000 people suddenly show up for a "spontaneous" protest and then right on cue they all scatter in different directions to go and steal stuff. As the democrat saying goes... never let a good crisis go to waste. That is especially true if you are in dire need of some expensive new sneakers or maybe your old rolex has seen better days.

DEPLORABLE BUT PREDICTABLE

[MDlaxfan76]

ouch, I'd need to know more about these guys' hearts before wishing any "street justice once they are on the inside" for anyone.

Now, if I found that they spewed anger and hate and were unrepentant...then karma, she is indeed a b-tch.

I’ve seen all I need. Shoving a 75-year-old man to the ground is enough for me.

The only time it EVER would be justified to shove someone like that would be if they were coming at the cop with a gun. Cops are only permitted to use proportional force, that is, force that is reasonable under the circumstances. The force they used might’ve been reasonable if the victim were a 300 lb. NFL lineman. It is entirely unreasonable, and unlawful, to use that degree of force on someone like this guy who was peacefully protesting.

Falls often are deadly to the elderly. Anyone who has lived long enough knows that. I certainly hope this guy recovers, but I fear this event will end up being a bright line event in his physical and mental decline.

I quite agree that it was unjustified, part and parcel with the whole attitude, just would want to know more about whether they were repentant.

[cradleandshoot]

ouch, I'd need to know more about these guys' hearts before wishing any "street justice once they are on the inside" for anyone.

Now, if I found that they spewed anger and hate and were unrepentant...then karma, she is indeed a b-tch.

I’ve seen all I need. Shoving a 75-year-old man to the ground is enough for me.

The only time it EVER would be justified to shove someone like that would be if they were coming at the cop with a gun. Cops are only permitted to use proportional force, that is, force that is reasonable under the circumstances. The force they used might’ve been reasonable if the victim were a 300 lb. NFL lineman. It is entirely unreasonable, and unlawful, to use that degree of force on someone like this guy who was peacefully protesting.

Falls often are deadly to the elderly. Anyone who has lived long enough knows that. I certainly hope this guy recovers, but I fear this event will end up being a bright line event in his physical and mental decline.

I quite agree that it was unjustified, part and parcel with the whole attitude, just would want to know more about whether they were repentant.

If the old geezer had not gotten into the cops grill it never would have happened. How did these cops know he was unarmed and posed no threat? The old geezer could have easily had a gun tucked in his belt behind his back. It would have been avoidable if the old geezer had not approached the cops. In the middle of a riot control clearing operation that is not the time to chit chat with officers. I don't feel bad for the old geezer. He picked a really, really, really bad time to try and make a political statement. I know my opinion is harsh and uncaring to most folks here. How many of you folks out there would ever get into a cops face for any reason. Getting into a cops face in that type of situation should be the last thing you ever do.

[MDlaxfan76]

So, anyone ready to acknowledge this fact.

Turns out the police golden boy Rolfe has 12 incidents in a 7 yr career including a written reprimand for “a use of force incident involving a firearm” in 2017.

Brosnan, the more professional one, yet to have anything in his record over 2 years.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/atlanta-of ... 41?mod=mhp

What percent of police do you think are 'bad apples', farfromgeneva?

Nationally, no idea just throwing numbers out but maybe 5-15%.

More importantly how many are fit to uphold the job they have? How many should have legal authority to take someone’s freedoms, even if for a day, let alone use significant or lethal force? Half. Maybe more. I hold the good, qualified professional ones in the highest esteem, but take the less professional, less qualified ones personally.

Maybe in another generation when the old pension grabbing junk retires and moves on it’ll be much higher but the standard we need to hold these people accountable to should be as high as any in this country given the authority and power they are handed.

Wow 350k or so are unfit, you sure there aren’t more?

In a population of 300mm? You’re seemingly huge number represents 1/10 of 1% of the population. Doesn’t seem like such a large number in that context eh?

The question you were asked seemed to be directed at the current population of those serving in a police capacity. So, with about 700k in various agencies now, your belief seems to be that half need to go.

Yes but if you were truly following along a couple
Of important points being that we distinguished between bad actors and not professional enough and corrupted by a corrupt system. And I said maybe as I was spitballing

But if you’re being honest you threw that number out hoping to get a reaction to a large number to which I’m adding critical context you surely hoped to avoid in your reply.

Depends on if you’re cool with unprepared, Unaccountable, minimal threshold for hiring people running around firing bullets in public chasing misdemeanors down risking other lives and their colleagues who stay quiet, don’t stand up on principal and rather cover up for each other.

Reading this exchange, I think there was a small error in math.
5% of 700k is 35K, not 350k.
15% would be 105k.

The fundamental point that this is actually a tiny % of the overall population is still correct, folks attracted to policing who should not be carrying a badge and gun...

My own estimation of really bad cops was 5%, though my experience in interactions, even as presumably not dangerous, well-off white guy, was more like 25% of police as arrogant, over-impressed with their badge, disrespectful.

But whatever the % of truly 'bad apples', there's a whole culture that hires and then protects that 5%. Kram's example of the black sheriff included.

[MDlaxfan76]

ouch, I'd need to know more about these guys' hearts before wishing any "street justice once they are on the inside" for anyone.

Now, if I found that they spewed anger and hate and were unrepentant...then karma, she is indeed a b-tch.

I’ve seen all I need. Shoving a 75-year-old man to the ground is enough for me.

The only time it EVER would be justified to shove someone like that would be if they were coming at the cop with a gun. Cops are only permitted to use proportional force, that is, force that is reasonable under the circumstances. The force they used might’ve been reasonable if the victim were a 300 lb. NFL lineman. It is entirely unreasonable, and unlawful, to use that degree of force on someone like this guy who was peacefully protesting.

Falls often are deadly to the elderly. Anyone who has lived long enough knows that. I certainly hope this guy recovers, but I fear this event will end up being a bright line event in his physical and mental decline.

I quite agree that it was unjustified, part and parcel with the whole attitude, just would want to know more about whether they were repentant.

If the old geezer had not gotten into the cops grill it never would have happened. How did these cops know he was unarmed and posed no threat? The old geezer could have easily had a gun tucked in his belt behind his back. It would have been avoidable if the old geezer had not approached the cops. In the middle of a riot control clearing operation that is not the time to chit chat with officers. I don't feel bad for the old geezer. He picked a really, really, really bad time to try and make a political statement. I know my opinion is harsh and uncaring to most folks here. How many of you folks out there would ever get into a cops face for any reason. Getting into a cops face in that type of situation should be the last thing you ever do.

You seem to be using the term "old geezer" pejoratively...?

"riot control"...no, there wasn't actually a "riot" at that time.

There was a protest, yes, and there'd been a decision to move the crowd (forcefully), but protestors who themselves are not violent have every right to protest without being beaten with batons, knocked to the ground, gassed, etc.

Is a peaceful protestor risking bodily injury when they protest? Yes.
But should that risk come from the police? no

The command issue was the order to move the crowd forcefully. Of course, the "command" was likely to just move the line forward.
We've seen a whole bunch of video now of police going way, way beyond what is necessary to move protestors, really egregious actions taken with zero basis. This is an attitude problem, top to bottom, with some police being given license to act based on their emotions.