2020 Elections - Trump FIRED

[Peter Brown]

AN ABC/Axios poll shows 64% of Americans are not supportive of the 'Defund the Police' initiative, however 55% of Democrats are. 55% of Democrats. Amazing.

Many board Democrats refuse to acknowledge their party's clear direction.

Also, for any poll mentioned, please recall in almost every poll in America, the majority of respondents are Democrats so this poll is even more shocking.

A majority of Democrats now support defunding the police. And forget their attempted word salad interpretations of what that means; when you need to explain a slogan, maybe try another slogan. They are telling you who they are.

The Mayor of Seattle and the Governor of Washington are despicable people. I pray that this Fall there will be a major washout of most Democrats in office. They deserve every loss. And before you say Orange Man Bad, what I refer to when I say I hope most democrats lose is things like 'defund the police' and a complete disregard of private property.

btw, for you New Yorkers, I was with a buddy of mine from NY the other night. He told me he pays nearly 9% in state tax (on top of high property taxes), but he expects Cuomo to ask to 'temporarily' raise that to 15% this year when they see how messed up the budget is. As we know with taxes, nothing is temporary to a Democrat. Be prepared to see Democratic run states fail in the next year or two.

[ggait]

Many board Democrats refuse to acknowledge their party's clear direction.

Wolf! Wolf! Wolf! Wolf! Wolf! Wolf! Wolf! Wolf! Wolf! Wolf!

"Defund the police" is just a sub-optimal slogan for a concept that has overwhelming super-majority support across the country from both parties.

Rep. Jim Clyburn, who knows a lot more about the Dem party than Gator Boy Brown, has it right. "'Let's not allow sloganeering to hijack this movement. Reform policing in this country. We need to reform policing."

Proof that even Republicans (other than Trump Fan-boy trolls like Peter Brown) are totally onboard the police reform train:

82% of Americans want to ban police from using chokeholds.
83% want to ban racial profiling.
92% want federal police to be required to wear body cameras.
89% of Americans want to require police to give the people they stop their name, badge number and reason for the stop.
91% support allowing independent investigations of police departments that show patterns of misconduct.
75% support “allowing victims of police misconduct to sue police departments for damages.”
Six of 10 Republicans support allowing victims of police misconduct to sue police departments for damages.

As usual, Peter Brown does not know shirt about fork. Ah the wisdom of Ruth Langmore!!

Makes sense that Peter Brown tells us he's a Florida Gator. [Although most of us doubt a guy so dumb could actually graduate.] Gators live in swamps and can swim under bridges. So gators = trolls. Too bad for us that Peter Brown's bridge has such good wifi.

[ggait]

Big questions on whether the Dems will actually turn out. And if they'll be allowed to vote by the vote-suppressing GOP rat-forkers.

But weak/sleepy/creepy/stuttering/demented/dying Joe is currently sticking it to Bone Spurs in the national polls and also in the state polls.

MI and (surprisingly) WI are looking VERY solid right for sleepy/creepy Joe now. Gotta believe that S/C Joe will be winning PA too if he's got MI and WI in the bag. That's 278.

S/C Joe also leading in NC, FL, AZ. Even or competitive in OH, IA, GA, TX. And only -3 points...in...UT. Utah?????

Key point -- it is a referendum election. 60 percent of people who said they intended to vote for Biden in November said their support for Biden is more “a vote against Donald Trump” than “a vote for Joe Biden. 70 percent of Trump backers said that their support of Trump was more a vote for him than against Biden.

Since most people are just done with Trump, advantage S/C Joe. Orange Man Bad! is actually working bigly.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/th ... for-biden/

[njbill]

Maybe Trump will be courting Romney for an endorsement to help him in Utah.

[njbill]

I feel pretty good that Joe will win Pennsylvania. He grew up in northeast PA. He will take some number of Trump voters from up there.

Also, he will do better than Hillary did with the black vote in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. A lot better if he chooses a black running mate.

[ggait]

I was pretty surprised that the polls were saying that WI and MI were almost in the bag, but that PA was a dead heat.

Seems hard to believe that Joe wouldn't take PA comfortably if Joe is pulling away in WI and MI, and also running much better than Hillary in OH.

I really wonder, though, what the actual balloting will look like in November. Could be a complete mess.

[Peter Brown]

I feel pretty good that Joe will win Pennsylvania. He grew up in northeast PA. He will take some number of Trump voters from up there.

Also, he will do better than Hillary did with the black vote in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. A lot better if he chooses a black running mate.

Joe is the last normal Democrat left in America. He was a good choice by Dems.

Of course, after he either croaks before or loses in 2024, it's game-on for the predominant chaos agents of the Democratic Party...go Antifa! They won't be able to do much lootin' and riotin' in Florida, as we allow our police to actually do their job and we have a governor who supports the PD. Ya see, when you hit a PD car with your Democratic skateboard, you aren't given a cookie for good work, even in ratholes like Miami:

https://twitter.com/CalebJHull/status/1 ... 30625?s=20

This is the most sissy and imbecilic party in all history.

Also, the polling is not what you're being spoon-fed in your cocooned Democratic infant cribs; go out and learn some nuance:

https://nypost.com/2020/06/11/trump-bid ... lling-you/

[njbill]

I was pretty surprised that the polls were saying that WI and MI were almost in the bag, but that PA was a dead heat.

Seems hard to believe that Joe wouldn't take PA comfortably if Joe is pulling away in WI and MI, and also running much better than Hillary in OH.

I really wonder, though, what the actual balloting will look like in November. Could be a complete mess.

Lots of reports that the Pennsylvania results won’t be known for days. Similar stories out of other states.

[Peter Brown]

I know it's a constant refrain, but seriously, what is wrong with the Democratic Party? They want all looters to be issued summonses like for a traffic offense and not face arrests. Are you kidding?

https://nypost.com/2020/06/11/these-pol ... t-looters/

Rushing to support looters.

The only people who can fix the Democratic Party are Democrats. I hope some of my posts convince you folks to do that.

[Kismet]

Check out VoteVets latest ad on renaming military bases and DOPUS

"Our new ad cuts to the chase, and pulls no punches: We’d never name bases after America’s enemies, like Osama bin Laden. Why does Donald Trump so desperately want to keep the names of other racist enemies on our Army bases?"

https://twitter.com/votevets

[ggait]

Spike Lee gets it.

You don't want to be sloppy with your slogans/branding. Because that just feeds gross trolls like Trump and (as is so very clear from his posts here) Peter Brown:


Spike Lee is worried that the "Defund the Police" movement, which has sprung up amid the worldwide anti-racism protests in the wake of George Floyd's death, will have adverse effects with President Donald Trump perverting the message to stoke fear.

He said activists understand the meaning of "defund the police" — i.e., redistributing city budgets to invest in other departments and projects, specifically for people of color — and that it does not mean abolishing police departments. But that may not be clear to everyone, which is dangerous.

"[Activists] have to be careful with the words because already this guy is running with that. You know the guy I’m talking about. Agent Orange," Lee said, referring to Trump. "And again, he’s trying to twist the narrative like he did with [former NFL quarterback Colin] Kaepernick and the kneeling — trying to say that was about disrespecting the flag, but that wasn’t it at all."

Lee continued, "We’ve got to be careful what we say because one or two wrong words, they’ll twist that thing around and the narratives change. I don’t think people are saying we don’t need police at all, but ‘defund the police’ – I think there [could] be better terminology.”

Roker interjected, "We want police, but we want a different kind of policing."

Lee made it clear police are greatly need in society ("We need police!") but officers need to be held accountable. "We need a police system that is just," he said. "And it’s so hard with the police unions. I mean they protect their guys, they protect that blue no matter what. And so that has to be dealt with." ”

[dislaxxic]

ggait wins the InterTubes today with a Ruth Langmore reference!

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[cradleandshoot]

Big questions on whether the Dems will actually turn out. And if they'll be allowed to vote by the vote-suppressing GOP rat-forkers.

But weak/sleepy/creepy/stuttering/demented/dying Joe is currently sticking it to Bone Spurs in the national polls and also in the state polls.

MI and (surprisingly) WI are looking VERY solid right for sleepy/creepy Joe now. Gotta believe that S/C Joe will be winning PA too if he's got MI and WI in the bag. That's 278.

S/C Joe also leading in NC, FL, AZ. Even or competitive in OH, IA, GA, TX. And only -3 points...in...UT. Utah?????

Key point -- it is a referendum election. 60 percent of people who said they intended to vote for Biden in November said their support for Biden is more “a vote against Donald Trump” than “a vote for Joe Biden. 70 percent of Trump backers said that their support of Trump was more a vote for him than against Biden.

Since most people are just done with Trump, advantage S/C Joe. Orange Man Bad! is actually working bigly.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/th ... for-biden/

The Dems should just encourage having ANTIFA folks at every polling place. Then you don't have to worry about them rat forkers. They will have justifiably had their brains bashed in. Truth, justice and a little of blood will allow the American way to triumph over all injustice.

[cradleandshoot]

Spike Lee gets it.

You don't want to be sloppy with your slogans/branding. Because that just feeds gross trolls like Trump and (as is so very clear from his posts here) Peter Brown:


Spike Lee is worried that the "Defund the Police" movement, which has sprung up amid the worldwide anti-racism protests in the wake of George Floyd's death, will have adverse effects with President Donald Trump perverting the message to stoke fear.

He said activists understand the meaning of "defund the police" — i.e., redistributing city budgets to invest in other departments and projects, specifically for people of color — and that it does not mean abolishing police departments. But that may not be clear to everyone, which is dangerous.

"[Activists] have to be careful with the words because already this guy is running with that. You know the guy I’m talking about. Agent Orange," Lee said, referring to Trump. "And again, he’s trying to twist the narrative like he did with [former NFL quarterback Colin] Kaepernick and the kneeling — trying to say that was about disrespecting the flag, but that wasn’t it at all."

Lee continued, "We’ve got to be careful what we say because one or two wrong words, they’ll twist that thing around and the narratives change. I don’t think people are saying we don’t need police at all, but ‘defund the police’ – I think there [could] be better terminology.”

Roker interjected, "We want police, but we want a different kind of policing."

Lee made it clear police are greatly need in society ("We need police!") but officers need to be held accountable. "We need a police system that is just," he said. "And it’s so hard with the police unions. I mean they protect their guys, they protect that blue no matter what. And so that has to be dealt with." ”

What the hell is the point of any union if they don't protect the people paying their dues? You are acting here like that is some sort of foriegn concept? The teachers unions have the same power. You think it is easy to fire a teacher that has tenure? That is what union power gives you.

[seacoaster]

Put this here instead of the Duce thread:

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/tr ... 63626.html

"One week from today, Donald Trump plans to mark that anniversary by delivering a speech on race relations in Tulsa, Oklahoma, where 99 years ago, what was then the wealthiest black community in the country was destroyed in what is still the worst instance of racial violence in American history.

Like most of his major addresses, the speech will have been authored at least in part by White House Senior Policy Adviser Stephen Miller, who according to leaked emails published by the Southern Poverty Law Center, has “an affinity for white nationalism”.

Later that day, Trump — who has reacted to the past few weeks of protests against racial inequality by channeling George Wallace, Richard Nixon and worse by tweeting about shooting looters, “vicious dogs,” and “law and order” ad infinitum — will continue his celebration of the events of June 19th by holding his first campaign rally since the day before Super Tuesday, Monday March 3.

That was the day he traveled to Charlotte, North Carolina and accused Democrats of “trying to politicize” the novel coronavirus which would soon bring a halt to his “Keep America Great” rallies, touted the strength of the “Trump economy,” and vowed to defeat the “radical socialist” who was then the Democratic frontrunner.

Three months on, the virus he dismissed as “politicized” has killed more than 100,000 Americans on his watch; the economy he spent the previous three years taking credit for has slipped into a recession; the “radical socialist” he’d hoped to run against has endorsed presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden; and Americans of all races in all parts of the country have taken to the streets to declare that Black Lives Matter.

Having been denied the opportunity to run against his preferred opponent — self-described democratic socialist Senator Bernie Sanders — and having seen the economic boom which began under his predecessor come to an abrupt ending due to Covid-19, Trump is reverting to the divisive, often-racist messaging that has been his comfort zone throughout his political career.

Perhaps in hopes of recapturing the spirit of his initial rise to political prominence — which was based on his promotion of the baseless theory that the first African American President of the United States was not a US citizen and therefore illegitimate — Trump has even adopted the rhetoric of the Confederate “lost cause” by declaring that he will veto the annual National Defense Authorization Act if it includes provisions to strip the names of Confederate generals from US military installations.

The President and his allies have long been criticized for being anywhere from unintentionally tone-deaf to intentionally inflammatory when it comes to matters of race, and not a single Trump campaign official would respond on the record to queries on how the campaign had decided that particular date and place to “reopen” the campaign in light of the weeks of protests for racial equality across the country.

One person close to the administration who did respond suggested that the rally had been added to the schedule after plans for the speech on race relations had already been worked out, and was an attempt to minimize both Trump’s and his campaign’s use of resources during the pandemic.

Asked whether he believes the campaign’s selection of Tulsa to hold a rally on Juneteenth is the unintentional result of bad decision-making or an intentional wink-and-nod to the area’s history of racial tensions, former Republican National Committee Chair Michael Steele posited that the correct answer was “both”."

There's more in the article.

[CU77]

“Is it OK for NFL players to kneel during the national anthem to protest police killings of African Americans?”

According to Yahoo Sports, 52 percent of respondents said it was, compared with 36 percent who said it was not (while 12 percent weren’t sure). That represents a shift from as recently as August 2018, when an NBC News-Wall Street Journal poll found 54 percent of respondents said it is inappropriate for pro football players to protest racial inequality by kneeling during the national anthem, while 43 percent said it was appropriate.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2 ... ng-anthem/

That 9% opinion shift, if it holds through November, is very bad news for Bunker Boy.

[CU77]

What the hell is the point of any union if they don't protect the people paying their dues? You are acting here like that is some sort of foriegn concept? The teachers unions have the same power. You think it is easy to fire a teacher that has tenure? That is what union power gives you.

Do you think it's a good thing that the teachers' unions have this much power? I don't.

But at least teachers rarely kill anybody.

[seacoaster]

See this:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/us/p ... e=Homepage

"Erin Fangmann grew up in a military family, has been married to a captain in the Air Force for 18 years and has voted Republican all her life, including for Donald J. Trump. But as with a number of other veterans, troops and military family members who have watched the president with alarm, her support has evaporated.

“He has hurt the military,” said Ms. Fangmann, who lives in Arizona, one of several states in play this November with a high percentage of veterans and active-duty service members. “Bringing in active-duty members to the streets was a test to desensitize people to his future use of the military for his personal benefit. I think the silent majority among us is going to swing away.”

Since 2016, Mr. Trump has viewed veterans as a core slice of his base; in that year’s presidential election, about 60 percent voted for him, according to exit polls, and swing-state counties with especially high numbers of veterans helped him win. Many veterans and members of the military stuck with him even as he attacked the Vietnam War record of Senator John McCain, disparaged families of those killed in combat and denigrated generals whom he fired or drove from government service. Some conservative rank-and-file enlisted members silently agreed with Mr. Trump.

But the president’s threat last week to use active-duty troops on American streets against largely peaceful protesters, and his flirtation with invoking the 1807 Insurrection Act, have rattled the military world, from its top leaders to its youngest veterans. If they break in significant numbers, they could carry political weight in key battleground states like Arizona, North Carolina and Ohio.

“I have always been a swing voter,” said Amy Rutkowske, an Army veteran and spouse who lives in North Carolina and is volunteering on a House race, the first time she has ever volunteered in politics. “My fundamental understanding is that the president is the commander in chief and that the office demands respect. But I have never wanted a different commander in chief more.”

Some members of the military — who are not permitted to speak about politics publicly — and their families have been posting critically on social media about the president and policies of his that they once supported. Others, who have never been excited about Mr. Trump as their commander in chief, have begun to speak out, join protests and volunteer for progressive causes.

They say that Mr. Trump has politicized the armed forces — which pride themselves as being above politics and discourage partisan discourse in their ranks — and has threatened the Constitution, both of which they deem as last straws.

Of course, many veterans and military personnel still support Mr. Trump. Quality recent polling on their views is scant, but some have embraced his America-first campaign message, his focus on military spending and his creation of a new Space Force that has been unexpectedly well-received after initial scoffing.

In the 2018 congressional elections, when support for Democrats surged, 58 percent of military voters continued to vote for members of Mr. Trump’s party, according to exit polls. And those who do turn away from the president now will not automatically support his Democratic opponent, Joseph R. Biden Jr.

Martin Sepulveda, a former commander in the United States Navy Reserve who lives in Arizona, said of Mr. Trump, “I can’t support the man.” But he added: “Am I a Biden guy? No. I don’t know what I will do. I have been a registered Republican for years.”

But the recent condemnations of Mr. Trump from high-level military veterans like Jim Mattis, the former defense secretary and a retired four-star Marine Corps general, have in some cases fortified the shifting views among military members. “The Mattis statement has changed people in some amazing ways,” said Chelsea Mark, a Marine veteran in Florida who works for a veteran service organization. “I went on a veteran hike recently, and I saw someone wearing a Donald Trump T-shirt, and that same person this week was posting anti-police-brutality things on her Instagram.”

On June 5, the same day the Marines issued a ban on displays of the Confederate battle flag at its installations, a retired Marine in dress uniform stood solo in front of the Utah State Capitol in support of the Black Lives Matter movement, with black duct tape across his mouth that read, “I can’t breathe.”

Mr. Trump’s moves to use the military against American protesters and looters came after several months of other highly unorthodox moves by his administration involving the military, including the clearing of three members of the armed services accused of war crimes; the firing of Capt. Brett E. Crozier after he raised alarms about the coronavirus on the aircraft carrier he commanded; the calling back of West Point students during a pandemic so the president could address them for a graduation, which he is set to do on Saturday; and the diversion of funds from military projects to pay for a border wall, a move that followed the deployment of troops to the border just before the 2018 midterm elections.

“This is the culmination of all those metronomic choices that have intruded into the military chain of command and culture,” said Kori N. Schake, the director of foreign and defense policy studies at the American Enterprise Institute, who served as a foreign policy adviser on Mr. McCain’s 2008 presidential campaign. “I do think it is likely to chip away among veterans, just as I believe it will chip away at support with Republicans more broadly.”

Mr. Trump’s ordering of the killing of a top Iranian general, which briefly appeared to bring the United States to the edge of war with Iran early this year, was a disappointment to the many veterans and service members who had supported him in part for his promise to end American involvement in overseas conflicts.

“The news of wanting to deploy the military domestically has caused a huge sense of outrage among most families I know,” said Sarah Streyder, the director of the Secure Families Initiative, which advocates diplomacy-first foreign policy and works on behalf of military families. “A lot of military families live on Facebook. Social media is very important for this transient community.”

Numerous military spouses concurred. “From what I see from my friends communicating online, spouses have grown much more vocal in opposition to policies,” said Kate Marsh Lord, a Democrat who is married to a member of the Air Force and lives in Virginia but votes in Ohio. “I have seen more spouses speak out on issues of race and lack of leadership than in my entire 15 years as a military spouse.”

Roughly 40 percent of active-duty service people and reserves are people of color, underlining how the current moment has affected military families.

“People took offense that they were using the military to calm peaceful protests by people of color who were out on the streets,” said Jerry Green, who served in the Army until 1998 and now lives in Tampa. “When I saw that whole thing unfold, for me, personally, it was awful. I was really distraught.” Mr. Green, who is black, will not be supporting Mr. Trump, whom he once found interesting, he said.

In North Carolina, Cal Cunningham, a Democrat and a lieutenant colonel in the United States Army Reserve who is challenging Senator Thom Tillis, a Republican, is working to capitalize on the military and veteran vote in his state, where Mr. Trump recently diverted millions of dollars for military installments to pay for a wall at the Mexican border after Congress blocked its funding.

“Cal’s profile as a military veteran is quite powerful in a state with so many veterans and military members,” said Rachel Petri, a spokeswoman for Mr. Cunningham. “Not only in communicating with them, but also with independent and swing voters who see the military and veterans as part of the state’s DNA.”

Other Democratic groups around the nation are also seeking leverage with the military vote. “We believe that Trump’s support within the military, with military families and with veterans, is soft and receding,” said Jon Soltz, a founder of VoteVets, which has been increasingly successful in electing Democratic veterans. “Our plan for the fall is simple: We’re putting together the most comprehensive data-driven veteran and military family get-out-the-vote operation the Democratic Party has ever seen, and we will deploy it to ensure Donald Trump is a one-term president.”

[RedFromMI]

On the now rescheduled Tulsa Juneteenth rally by Trump by David Frum on Twitter:

The Trump campaign decision to bump its Tulsa rally from June 19 to June 20 is so fascinatingly revealing

Those who complained about the June 19 rally date were complaining that there was something inconsistent about a Trump rally on an anniversary of Emancipation. You wouldn't expect Trump to agree to that - but he did

Why would a presidency that never admits error, never accepts responsibility, never apologizes for anything - why would it back down in the face of complaints about a June 19 event?

I think you can safely rule out "regard for the feelings of others" as a motive.

But local authorities in Tulsa have pretty obviously began to sense - and fear - the possibility of large-scale disorder in their city. The mayor tweeted this June 11:

In Tulsa, we protect the free and peaceful exchange of ideas. We did it during the last two weeks of protests, and we will do it during the President’s visit to Tulsa next week. We will also continue to follow the State of Oklahoma’s guidelines for a safe reopening.

The Trump of 2016 exploited disturbances as a political resource, proof of his theme of "American disruption." If it were true that Trump 2020 was replaying Nixon 1968, you'd expect him to welcome such scenes this year too. But no!

The Trump campaign is telling us:

It recognizes that disruptions hurt incumbents.
It recognizes that the crackdown in Washington DC on June 1 backfired.
It does not want a replay.

You might say, that seems obvious. What incumbent political campaign *would* welcome chaos? But to now, Trump has always welcomed chaos. He hoped that if split the country, he could claim the larger piece. (Or at least, the piece with the better grip on the Electoral College.)

This time, 2020, Trump's own people must be telling him that his divide-and-win tactics have bumped into hostile electoral math.

"American carnage" is a political attack for a challenger, not a political defense for an incumbent.

Clashes between police and protesters might excite the core Trump base. But such disturbances appall and repel other voters Trump needs. Worse ...

These clashes would not occur in downtown Chicago - where Trump cancelled a rally in 2016 - but in Tulsa, supposedly at the heart of Trump country.

Trump has to worry: what if the protests are huge? What if the police panic and hurt somebody?

He's confronting a responsibility he cannot dodge, at a time when his only political trick has ceased to work for him.

The rescheduling of the Tulsa rally is a reveal of weakness by a president who normally values the show of strength above all else.

The rescheduling confirms how fast Trump's strength is ebbing - and that he (or his campaign) knows it.

[a fan]

Lee made it clear police are greatly need in society ("We need police!") but officers need to be held accountable. "We need a police system that is just," he said. "And it’s so hard with the police unions. I mean they protect their guys, they protect that blue no matter what. And so that has to be dealt with." ”[/i]

Been saying for a week now that the Republican party has an opportunity the size of a freight train here.

I have NO CLUE why FoxNation isn't all over this opportunity. Get rid of these unions, and replace it with an organization that serves the people.

Google or YouTube "dumb 911 calls", and you see a tiny sample of the calls made that don't require a city to send two armed, pensioned, and insured police officers to intervene.

And because FoxNation has their record player skipping on "the libs are bad", they can't shut up and listen for five freaking seconds to step in, and fix these problems that would lead to safer communities, for less money.

You know: the entire point to American Conservatism. Less government, and less spending.


Naaaaaaah. Let's ignore this opportunity, and instead, drool on our shoes, and make fun of the idea "defund the police".