6ftstick wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 9:22 am
RedFromMI wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:02 pm
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 3:45 pm
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I see your point, except the 'community' that wants to dissolve the police are, ummmm, maybe not such upstanding citizens taxpayers, and the 'community' that you use here doesn't really want any police at all, and well, that should suffice. These are lunatics you are referencing. Outside that, your post rocks.
I keep warning you to not compromise with Leftists; they are not interested in normalcy. But here you are.
Pretty much a PB response - in which most everything is a baldfaced lie.
The community does not wish to get rid of police - they want it to be reformulated to not be oppressive.
It is not for you to judge that this same community must be ignored because you don't think they are "upstanding" enough. Quite the white supremacist view there.
They are not lunatics. They are tired of being beaten down by people who fit within your world view. And if "normalcy" means that they continue to be beaten down by a police force that is out of control - of course they don't want that.
And most of that community are a far cry from "Leftists" especially given your insistence of a nonsense definition of the same.
So of course you don't see any point except that you get another chance to troll. How are you helping? (To ask the question you refuse to answer).
Then use the fn word they want.
Defund the police means DEFUND THE POLICE
Ya und?
Defund does not equal dissolve.
It means moving funding from police doing certain activities to funding social service trained people doing them.
Is that a bad idea?
Personally, I'd rather see police paid more than they are (and same for social service and teachers, etc), but held to high standards of behavior and training...
Police are tasked too many activities which really aren't about preventing or solving crime.
But the really BIG deal is that we need to disaggregate poor people clustered together densely and provide them with social services that encourage them to self sufficiency, from substance addiction treated as a public health not criminal issue, to job training and adult literacy, to ensuring clean water, decent housing in lower stress neighborhoods.
That costs $, but the cost today of the current situation is truly exorbitant.
Policing and incarceration costs are crazy high.
Public health costs are though the roof.
It's stupid, short term, public policy.
The "right" is satisfied because it fits with their prejudiced views, the 'left' is satisfied because there's political dependency.
But it's stupid and wasteful and fundamentally immoral, given that we really could do much better.