All things Chinese CoronaVirus

[Bart]

so the million dollar question or at least 5.99 at Walmart, will there be double blind study comparing HQ + zinc and zinc alone? Should we be doing a double blind of HQ and Zycam? After all, that is all we are talking about correct? (although there is some evidence it does modulate certain cytokine pathways )

going on memory from a couple months ago...
hcq was tried in vitro largely as a result of being just semi-effective against sars or mers or both.
found, in vitro, to be much more successful than in those cases vs covid and moreso than chloroquine. that kicked it off. china was using it, south korea as public policy, and may have done some of the same in vitro to preface that.
I have read a bunch of those studies. Interesting stuff. Much of the in vitro stuff I find interesting and wonder what of it will be deemed artifact and which will not.
also read in science-like journals that it can inhibit certain viruses from entering cells by "coating" those cells with something. also read that hcq has properties that can enhance and utilize zinc from within the body without supplement. some people have more zinc than others, of course. so what i'm not saying is zinc treatment is necessary.
I have not found much on the coating you speak of. I did find some stuff on how it may interfere with the clatherine coated pits needed for the endocyctosis of the viral particle into a cell. I do not know if this is what you might be remembering. I have not spent a ton of time looking into this however.
several studies (not on hcq but on covid) have noted that zinc deficiency has been a precursor to greater severe illness. same with vitamin d.

as far as zycam, if you can't tell i'm no expert and learn as you go. besides a brother that has been in this line of work for decades and conversations around discoveries and trials i'm learning to ride a bike. i have to say it looks like a sh*t show from an outsider's novice perspective, though i'll concede that may be largely as a result of pandemic/timeline. but for zycam... nih lists a lot of trials and studies, has a search box, maybe they are in there?
IDK. just threw zycam out there cause it supposidly works through the action of zinc
the studies to date, to this idiot, look like garbage. for many reasons. maybe that's just bc there has been no clear effective treatment yet, but structure and calculations in look back studies seem all severely flawed and useless data. baselines are a mess in those. the trial from minny... would it have been so difficult to gather info on hospitalizations/intubation/death? or did i miss that maybe?

Certainly looks like a szchit show but in a constricted time like this I guess I am not surprised. When preprints rule the day and speed is of the essence the appearance looks muddled. From a basic research side of things it is seems very rushed (never been involved on the clinical side of the house----actually have not been involved in either side for years).
What usually takes months or years, is wanted in months to days it seems.

Yes. This is what you get when you rush. People have been developing drugs and vaccines for decades, all of a sudden we realize they have been lazy and lackadaisical getting things to market. After all this time, I thought they were being rigorous.

Same can be said for antibiotics.................. It has to be profitable.

[youthathletics]

This is one of those gross topics, but I think its bizarre nature is relevant today. My wife had to explain to me in horrific details when she was being trained to work in the rooms during fecal transplant procedures. I could describe it to you all but none of you would ever enjoy a chocolate milkshake again. The theory among some gastroenterologists was the bacteria in these shakes could help some issues with the colon they had no other good options for. Yes the tool of choice was your good old fashioned blender. One of course you would never use again. The point is, a doctor will do just about anything to help a patient. If that means whipping up a poop shake then that is what you try and do.

Yup, but giving them cancer is not on the list.

Give them cancer by what means?

UV, the kinds of dosages necessary to actually kill a virus...call me immensely skeptical

Offer your expert advice to the folks at Cedars-Sinai
https://apnews.com/b44f4531071e6204023f7b8e16f59d4b

Interesting...the conference was on April 21? And the POTUS came out with this on the 24th?

Key statement:
“Our team has shown that administering a specific spectrum of UV-A light can eradicate viruses in infected human cells (including coronavirus) and bacteria in the area while preserving healthy cells,” stated Dr. Pimentel of Cedars-Sinai.

UV-A...possible to be safe, does it actually kill the virus? In the body or the lab? How much, how long?
UVC can be 'safe', but hmmm..

Just the cells it reaches? Just upper respiratory, just trachea?

I did buy that it could help inside the ventilator tube to prevent intubation bacteria causing pneumonia.

But direct to lung tissue? Again, call me immensely skeptical.

More on the story. Maybe this proves the Russian Collusion....Trump knew Russia was working on this.

UV-A Being test further.

[old salt]

Dr Scott Gottlieb on the likely spread from the protests.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcript ... ne-7-2020/
What an incredibly selfish, destructive act by the protesters.
Most likely to harm those whom they are protesting on behalf of.
Systemic nihilism. God save their grand parents.

[njbill]

More on the story. Maybe this proves the Russian Collusion....Trump knew Russia was working on this.

UV-A Being test further.

Get back to me after you have tried it and confirm it works. Better yet. Post a video.

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/26/us/coron ... _expansion

[holmes435]

Brazil stops releasing Covid-19 death toll and wipes data from official site

"The Brazilian government has been accused of totalitarianism and censorship after it stopped releasing its total numbers of Covid-19 cases and deaths and wiped an official site clean of swaths of data.

Health ministry insiders told local media the move was ordered by far-right president, Jair Bolsonaro, himself – and was met with widespread outrage in Brazil, one of the world’s worst-hit Covid-19 hotspots, with more deaths than Italy and more cases than Russia and the UK"

The march of the AuthRight continues...

[holmes435]

Dr Scott Gottlieb on the likely spread from the protests.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcript ... ne-7-2020/
What an incredibly selfish, destructive act by the protesters.
Most likely to harm those whom they are protesting on behalf of.
Systemic nihilism. God save their grand parents.

[MDlaxfan76]

Dr Scott Gottlieb on the likely spread from the protests.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcript ... ne-7-2020/
What an incredibly selfish, destructive act by the protesters.
Most likely to harm those whom they are protesting on behalf of.
Systemic nihilism. God save their grand parents.

Salty really, really, really doesn't like those protestors.

It's indeed a serious problem coming, but then again, it was coming from the way people were already acting, gathering in restaurants and bars and parties with NO ONE wearing masks. I'm seeing immensely different behavior with at least the peaceful protestors, very different look than say the crowds who were protesting the various governor's stay at home orders, bringing their guns into the capitol building...

Fingers crossed that this virus somehow disappears...

[runrussellrun]

The rest of us? 99.99 percent of us.......

.......were fine. Are fine. Testing positive for v-19 equals death?

This what I mean by "all in". Without solid scientific evidence, you're ASSUMING that Covid is no bid deal, based on Covid statistics that I think we can all agree are far from perfect. "We're fine", as you put it.

What I mean is: the thousands who are clearly violating social distancing to protest, as well as the people in busy casinos agree with you...they think that COVID is no big deal.

I hope you're all right about this. Nothing would make me happier.

You are blaming the wrong folks for your blanket "all in" or "we're fine" narrative.
Event 201 clearly stated : Do NOT shut anything down. Do NOT ban travel.
When did World Health Organazation say social distancing should be a thing? When?

Please, our hypocrites TAATS have been chewing fear porn, while excrementing out the other end rapidly moving controls, often conflicting with the protocols and procedures. Laid out nowhere, btw. Despite the billions upon billions Dr. Fauci, DOCB and the gates/bloomie/Hopkins monopolies receive to come up with a "plan". (2005, Fauci said he got $8 billion to develop a plan. Well, where is it? Said so in that idiotic 60 minutes gotcha fail video.

I was all in from the start. Any clown that blamed a POTUSA, especially citing the 69 page pandemic report, with NEVER having read that 69 page report, and the lie that they were "fired", made it clear that this was political. Sad, really.

Sorry, but when clowns like my governor , charlie baker, tells us that face masks are mandatory, but, he himself, refuses to wear one.......not a big deal. This isn't Bloomie having armed guards sipping big gulps excrement hypocrisy, this is a sick group of people targeting the poor.

Did more people die in CHicago from gun shots, or v-19, this weekend?

After reading the 100 plus pages of this thread, my conclusion was that it wasn't a big deal. I mean, seriously. You blame a virus on ONE individual. What was a POTUSA to do? The CDC, currently, says don't wipe that table or countertop....the virus don't live there. Huh?

[kramerica.inc]

Corona numbers tick up since Memorial Day...

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/06/04/us- ... ssion=true

[old salt]

Dr Scott Gottlieb on the likely spread from the protests.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcript ... ne-7-2020/
What an incredibly selfish, destructive act by the protesters.
Most likely to harm those whom they are protesting on behalf of.
Systemic nihilism. God save their grand parents.

Salty really, really, really doesn't like those protestors.

It's indeed a serious problem coming, but then again, it was coming from the way people were already acting, gathering in restaurants and bars and parties with NO ONE wearing masks. I'm seeing immensely different behavior with at least the peaceful protestors, very different look than say the crowds who were protesting the various governor's stay at home orders, bringing their guns into the capitol building...

Fingers crossed that this virus somehow disappears...

So these hundreds of thousands who flaunt the restrictions on public gatherings & social distancing do not meet your threshold as knuckleheads.
I'm sure those they infect, who require hospitalization or eventually die from it, appreciate your distinction.
Maybe you can hire a protester to do Driving Miss Daisy for your mother.

[ardilla secreta]

Loosening restrictions in Texas is having an effect. On 5/4 they had 31,988 cases and as of 6/7 there are 68,271 cases. Meanwhile, Texas AG is threatening litigation towards Austin, Dallas and San Antonio which are not following state guidelines for opening up.

[youthathletics]

Here we go....Asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is ‘very rare,’ WHO says

If you are sick, stay home, otherwise....go about your day.

[ardilla secreta]

Loosening restrictions in Texas is having an effect. On 5/4 they had 31,988 cases and as of 6/7 there are 68,271 cases. Meanwhile, Texas AG is threatening litigation towards Austin, Dallas and San Antonio which are not following state guidelines for opening up.

AS, I love your brilliant contributions. You failed to mention that the Texas governor enacted relaxing on 5/2. Muslims are probably behind this dramatic increase.

[ardilla secreta]

Here we go....Asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is ‘very rare,’ WHO says

If you are sick, stay home, otherwise....go about your day.

If it’s very rare why would one stay home or be considerate of others health issues. What about freedom?

[RedFromMI]

Here we go....Asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is ‘very rare,’ WHO says

If you are sick, stay home, otherwise....go about your day.

If it’s very rare why would one stay home or be considerate of others health issues. What about freedom?

A physician referenced in my Twitter feed was concerned that the WHO was being very specifically obtuse here - truly asymptomatic seems to be rare, but for those who become symptomatic, there is a few day window when they are what he termed "pre-symptomatic" - meaning they were shedding virus, but not yet showing signs they would later have of an active infection. The latter is reachable by contact tracing, but truly asymptomatic spread is not except at a layer if indirection as you rarely detect them.

[runrussellrun]

The rest of us? 99.99 percent of us.......

.......were fine. Are fine. Testing positive for v-19 equals death?

This what I mean by "all in". Without solid scientific evidence, you're ASSUMING that Covid is no bid deal, based on Covid statistics that I think we can all agree are far from perfect. "We're fine", as you put it.

AFAN, you have a penchant for stuffing words......just stop.

V-19....far from NOT being a big deal. It is a HUGE deal, for certain demographics. And we know who they are.

all you hypocrites, especially the ones that have stuffed a parent in an "ASSisted" living space, all the while YOU live in a 4 to 5 thousand square foot home , constantly want to ignore the youth of this nation. Wanna take a stab at how many teens are suicidal , as compared to last year at this time.

Gee, all you hypocrites, how excited were YOU, getting ready to hit that computer, online, when YOU went to college. Put yourself in the people that matter, the kids.


Hey AFAN, can you learn to make booze online?

Unless, I am missing something, that 99.99 percent of the deaths are the old, the weak. Aren't they? So much for Darwin.

Anyone else notice that libraries are NOT on the list to reopen, in many states. Hmmmm, just more thought control. "curbside" is NOT reopening.

[seacoaster]

Hoax?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2 ... ince-june/

"As rates of coronavirus infections ease in places such as New York and Illinois and onetime hot spots move into new phases of reopening, parts of the country that had previously avoided being hit hard by the outbreak are now tallying record-high new infections.

Since the start of June, 14 states and Puerto Rico have recorded their highest-ever seven-day average of new coronavirus cases since the pandemic began, according to data tracked by The Washington Post: Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Florida, Kentucky, New Mexico, North Carolina, Mississippi, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas and Utah.

If the pandemic’s first wave burned through dense metro hubs such as New York City, Chicago and Detroit, the highest percentages of new cases are coming from places with much smaller populations: Lincoln County, Ore., an area of less than 50,000, has averaged 20 new daily cases; the Bear River Health District in northern Utah has averaged 78 new cases a day in the past week, most of them tied to an outbreak at a meat processing plant in the small town of Hyrum.

The increase of coronavirus cases in counties with fewer than 60,000 people is part of the trend of new infections surging across the rural United States. Health experts worry those areas, already short of resources before the pandemic, will struggle to track new cases with the infrastructure that remains.

Adding to the disparity in health-care support, residents in states such as Mississippi, Florida and South Carolina are living under only minor-to-moderate restrictions — even as their average daily infection rate is rising.

The past two weeks of protests against police brutality will be yet another variable in how the virus spreads in the country. Protesters flooded the streets of major cities but gathered in small towns across the country, too. Though the widespread protests are a boon for the movement, health officials have warned about the impact so many people closely packed with one another could have on transmission rates.

As of Monday, at least 109,000 people in the United States have died of covid-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus, with more than 1.95 million cases of the virus reported."

[youthathletics]

More curious what the hospital stats are.

[CU88]

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