Race in America - Riots Explode in Chicago

[calourie]

The long term issue is ironically easier, imo:

1. STOP SENDING PEOPLE TO PRISON FOR FIRST TIME NON-VIOLENT CRIME (please bear in mind that 'jail' is not 'prison'; jail can be used for anything less than 10 days and will involve tons of non-violent crime).

2. Anyone today in prison for selling weed of any nature to be released and have records expunged.

3. Stop cash bail for any charge that is not violent.

4. Make prosecutors and cops personally liable for any provable offense such as hiding evidence that shows the defendant was innocent.

Not a single one of these things addresses the issue at hand, Pete. The social contract with Black Americans is broken.

Their Civil Rights are not the same as my civil rights. As a result, they're getting harassed and killed by the government that's supposed to protect them.

I reject this premise completely. Which civil rights don't they have? How were their protests treated differently than lock down protests? In fact, Democratic mayors and governors harshly criticized lock down protests and said they were a health hazard. When the George Floyd protests got violent law enforcement did a reasonable job of not responding in kind. Very few peaceful protesters were injured. Looting was tacitly tolerated in some cases, with zero police response. And nobody, politician or media, was complaining about Covid exposure.

George Floyd's death and Blacks in general are being used by the Socialist movement to neuter the government and destroy capitalism. Blacks are constantly told the country is evil. What is evil is dividing people by color and assigning motives to them based on that skin color. The dividing is done because divided people are easier to control.

George Floyd's death was an abomination, but it had to do with an evil cop, not systemic racism in policing or in a group of people of one color. Black Americans might also do well to look inward for change as well as outward. Their crime rates are generally higher, and we can argue the reasons. Single parenthood, poor schools, culture, high rate of abortions. I believe teaching victimhood is a ready excuse to fail. If we want our Black neighbors to feel invested in America we must do a better job of selling success instead of dependence. We must give them the tools to succeed. And we must celebrate their success in everyday endeavors, not just sports and entertainment.

Please don't tell me I want Blacks to be more "white". What I ultimately want is for racial and ethnic groups to maintain their cultural identity within the framework of the American Experiment. It's an experiment because we are constantly rethinking our laws and procedures and making the necessary adjustments as we go. For example, why are police being trained to restrain a person like the way they did to George Floyd? That is ripe for an obvious change.

get it to X...they are NOT trained to do what was done to Floyd. But it wasn't one bad cop, it was 4 bad cops. And the only way we know that is fellow citizens caught them on film.

Yes, it IS systemic.
Yes, it is deeply culturally ingrained racism.
And as one black commentator this morning pointed out, it is also about police against the citizens...the abuse of power also happens against whites, way too often too. Just more disproportionately with blacks, to the point that totally innocent blacks have far more fear of being stopped by police than do whites...and it is rational to be so worried. It is real.

Clearly you haven't been listening to your fellow black Americans. They are not taught "victimhood"...listen to the successful, resourceful people who are forging ahead in the world, yet face these issues every day.

I watched this gal this AM, Olympian, husband served in Air Force, daughter currently serving.

Read her message:

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us ... ica-racism

here's clip...I don't think it was posted yet at CNN...https://www.wfmz.com/news/cnn/us-nation ... 86a62.html

Systemic racism? Deeply culturally ingrained racism.

Every year in America 7500 Black men women and children are killed.

93% of them are killed by another Black person. 93%

But I don't hear any calls for a "CONVERSATION" about that.

I thought it was 88%. Where did you find that stat?

And black on black violence is a product of what? A few suggestions: poverty which includes a minimum wage which limits social mobility, the incarceration for non violent offenses of blacks who might otherwise be productive, hard core drug abuse and trafficking which is exacerbated by the previous two conditions, youth gangs the membership to which is exacerbated by the previous three conditions, a dearth of stable family support which is exacerbated by the previous four conditions, a sense on the part of the police, and the occasional vigilante I might add, that it is their job to keep the dispossessed in their rightful place, once again exacerbated by all of the above. All these conditions contribute in creating a lack of educational opportunity that might be helpful as they discourage both teachers and prospective students alike. If we do nothing or very little to disrupt this vicious cycle we will continue to be a society at war with itself in the manner that seems to repeat itself every decade or so with only minimal advancement.

[6ftstick]

The long term issue is ironically easier, imo:

1. STOP SENDING PEOPLE TO PRISON FOR FIRST TIME NON-VIOLENT CRIME (please bear in mind that 'jail' is not 'prison'; jail can be used for anything less than 10 days and will involve tons of non-violent crime).

2. Anyone today in prison for selling weed of any nature to be released and have records expunged.

3. Stop cash bail for any charge that is not violent.

4. Make prosecutors and cops personally liable for any provable offense such as hiding evidence that shows the defendant was innocent.

Not a single one of these things addresses the issue at hand, Pete. The social contract with Black Americans is broken.

Their Civil Rights are not the same as my civil rights. As a result, they're getting harassed and killed by the government that's supposed to protect them.

I reject this premise completely. Which civil rights don't they have? How were their protests treated differently than lock down protests? In fact, Democratic mayors and governors harshly criticized lock down protests and said they were a health hazard. When the George Floyd protests got violent law enforcement did a reasonable job of not responding in kind. Very few peaceful protesters were injured. Looting was tacitly tolerated in some cases, with zero police response. And nobody, politician or media, was complaining about Covid exposure.

George Floyd's death and Blacks in general are being used by the Socialist movement to neuter the government and destroy capitalism. Blacks are constantly told the country is evil. What is evil is dividing people by color and assigning motives to them based on that skin color. The dividing is done because divided people are easier to control.

George Floyd's death was an abomination, but it had to do with an evil cop, not systemic racism in policing or in a group of people of one color. Black Americans might also do well to look inward for change as well as outward. Their crime rates are generally higher, and we can argue the reasons. Single parenthood, poor schools, culture, high rate of abortions. I believe teaching victimhood is a ready excuse to fail. If we want our Black neighbors to feel invested in America we must do a better job of selling success instead of dependence. We must give them the tools to succeed. And we must celebrate their success in everyday endeavors, not just sports and entertainment.

Please don't tell me I want Blacks to be more "white". What I ultimately want is for racial and ethnic groups to maintain their cultural identity within the framework of the American Experiment. It's an experiment because we are constantly rethinking our laws and procedures and making the necessary adjustments as we go. For example, why are police being trained to restrain a person like the way they did to George Floyd? That is ripe for an obvious change.

get it to X...they are NOT trained to do what was done to Floyd. But it wasn't one bad cop, it was 4 bad cops. And the only way we know that is fellow citizens caught them on film.

Yes, it IS systemic.
Yes, it is deeply culturally ingrained racism.
And as one black commentator this morning pointed out, it is also about police against the citizens...the abuse of power also happens against whites, way too often too. Just more disproportionately with blacks, to the point that totally innocent blacks have far more fear of being stopped by police than do whites...and it is rational to be so worried. It is real.

Clearly you haven't been listening to your fellow black Americans. They are not taught "victimhood"...listen to the successful, resourceful people who are forging ahead in the world, yet face these issues every day.

I watched this gal this AM, Olympian, husband served in Air Force, daughter currently serving.

Read her message:

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us ... ica-racism

here's clip...I don't think it was posted yet at CNN...https://www.wfmz.com/news/cnn/us-nation ... 86a62.html

Systemic racism? Deeply culturally ingrained racism.

Every year in America 7500 Black men women and children are killed.

93% of them are killed by another Black person. 93%

But I don't hear any calls for a "CONVERSATION" about that.

I thought it was 88%. Where did you find that stat?

And black on black violence is a product of what? A few suggestions: poverty which includes a minimum wage which limits social mobility, the incarceration for non violent offenses of blacks who might otherwise be productive, hard core drug abuse and trafficking which is exacerbated by the previous two conditions, youth gangs the membership to which is exacerbated by the previous three conditions, a dearth of stable family support which is exacerbated by the previous four conditions, a sense on the part of the police, and the occasional vigilante I might add, that it is their job to keep the dispossessed in their rightful place, once again exacerbated by all of the above. All these conditions contribute in creating a lack of educational opportunity that might be helpful as they discourage both teachers and prospective students alike. If we do nothing or very little to disrupt this vicious cycle we will continue to be a society at war with itself in the manner that seems to repeat itself every decade or so with only minimal advancement.

So were 10's of thousands out in the streets protesting this.

[calourie]

The long term issue is ironically easier, imo:

1. STOP SENDING PEOPLE TO PRISON FOR FIRST TIME NON-VIOLENT CRIME (please bear in mind that 'jail' is not 'prison'; jail can be used for anything less than 10 days and will involve tons of non-violent crime).

2. Anyone today in prison for selling weed of any nature to be released and have records expunged.

3. Stop cash bail for any charge that is not violent.

4. Make prosecutors and cops personally liable for any provable offense such as hiding evidence that shows the defendant was innocent.

Not a single one of these things addresses the issue at hand, Pete. The social contract with Black Americans is broken.

Their Civil Rights are not the same as my civil rights. As a result, they're getting harassed and killed by the government that's supposed to protect them.

I reject this premise completely. Which civil rights don't they have? How were their protests treated differently than lock down protests? In fact, Democratic mayors and governors harshly criticized lock down protests and said they were a health hazard. When the George Floyd protests got violent law enforcement did a reasonable job of not responding in kind. Very few peaceful protesters were injured. Looting was tacitly tolerated in some cases, with zero police response. And nobody, politician or media, was complaining about Covid exposure.

George Floyd's death and Blacks in general are being used by the Socialist movement to neuter the government and destroy capitalism. Blacks are constantly told the country is evil. What is evil is dividing people by color and assigning motives to them based on that skin color. The dividing is done because divided people are easier to control.

George Floyd's death was an abomination, but it had to do with an evil cop, not systemic racism in policing or in a group of people of one color. Black Americans might also do well to look inward for change as well as outward. Their crime rates are generally higher, and we can argue the reasons. Single parenthood, poor schools, culture, high rate of abortions. I believe teaching victimhood is a ready excuse to fail. If we want our Black neighbors to feel invested in America we must do a better job of selling success instead of dependence. We must give them the tools to succeed. And we must celebrate their success in everyday endeavors, not just sports and entertainment.

Please don't tell me I want Blacks to be more "white". What I ultimately want is for racial and ethnic groups to maintain their cultural identity within the framework of the American Experiment. It's an experiment because we are constantly rethinking our laws and procedures and making the necessary adjustments as we go. For example, why are police being trained to restrain a person like the way they did to George Floyd? That is ripe for an obvious change.

get it to X...they are NOT trained to do what was done to Floyd. But it wasn't one bad cop, it was 4 bad cops. And the only way we know that is fellow citizens caught them on film.

Yes, it IS systemic.
Yes, it is deeply culturally ingrained racism.
And as one black commentator this morning pointed out, it is also about police against the citizens...the abuse of power also happens against whites, way too often too. Just more disproportionately with blacks, to the point that totally innocent blacks have far more fear of being stopped by police than do whites...and it is rational to be so worried. It is real.

Clearly you haven't been listening to your fellow black Americans. They are not taught "victimhood"...listen to the successful, resourceful people who are forging ahead in the world, yet face these issues every day.

I watched this gal this AM, Olympian, husband served in Air Force, daughter currently serving.

Read her message:

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us ... ica-racism

here's clip...I don't think it was posted yet at CNN...https://www.wfmz.com/news/cnn/us-nation ... 86a62.html

Systemic racism? Deeply culturally ingrained racism.

Every year in America 7500 Black men women and children are killed.

93% of them are killed by another Black person. 93%

But I don't hear any calls for a "CONVERSATION" about that.

I thought it was 88%. Where did you find that stat?

And black on black violence is a product of what? A few suggestions: poverty which includes a minimum wage which limits social mobility, the incarceration for non violent offenses of blacks who might otherwise be productive, hard core drug abuse and trafficking which is exacerbated by the previous two conditions, youth gangs the membership to which is exacerbated by the previous three conditions, a dearth of stable family support which is exacerbated by the previous four conditions, a sense on the part of the police, and the occasional vigilante I might add, that it is their job to keep the dispossessed in their rightful place, once again exacerbated by all of the above. All these conditions contribute in creating a lack of educational opportunity that might be helpful as they discourage both teachers and prospective students alike. If we do nothing or very little to disrupt this vicious cycle we will continue to be a society at war with itself in the manner that seems to repeat itself every decade or so with only minimal advancement.

So were 10's of thousands out in the streets protesting this.

In a word, yes. The death of Floyd is simply stated a coalescing symbol

[Typical Lax Dad]

Six —

The vast majority of USA violent crime is intra-racial. White on white. Black on black.

Not surprising since our neighborhoods and communities and schools are significantly mono-racial.

People crime on the people around them. Duh. In other news, water is wet.

After these black drug dealers, murderers and other criminals stop killing each other, they can then complain about abusive law enforcement and social inequality. Until then they should keep their mouths shut. They should hold their criminals up to a higher standard.

[Typical Lax Dad]

[njbill]

“Now that everything is under perfect control” according to Trump and the out-of-state National Guards are being sent home, is he going to re-open Lafayette Square?

[Brooklyn]

George Floyd's death and Blacks in general are being used by the Socialist movement to neuter the government and destroy capitalism.

Laughable!

Let's see some "proof" for this hilarious assertion.

Blacks are constantly told the country is evil. What is evil is dividing people by color and assigning motives to them based on that skin color. The dividing is done because divided people are easier to control.

The police created holocaust that has resulted in the murder and maiming of innocents, the intimidation of others, and the rendering of society into one where people live in fear for their lives because of police corruption and criminality are all examples of evil, not mythology. As those of you from the right have previously stated, quoting Jefferson's alleged saying "when people fear government, there is tyranny. When government fears people there is liberty". Those of you from the right always assert ideas like this when it comes to the 2d Amendment and white right wing people's fear of tyrannical government. Yet when it comes to people's fear of police violence and crime, your interests in the 2d Amendment suddenly disappears.

If you right wingers are so principled and believe so strongly in the 2d Amendment and in origin intent, where are your demand for people to exercise those rights? I've called for them enough times and you right wingers continue to call me "liberal". So why don't you people admit that the real problem is that we have an armed tyrannical government and an unarmed citizenry?

[runrussellrun]

Perhaps the dumbest video you have evah posted

[Brooklyn]

“Now that everything is under perfect control” according to Trump and the out-of-state National Guards are being sent home, is he going to re-open Lafayette Square?

Funny how none of the so called "principled" and anti government right wingers on this forum ever demanded that those jack booted thugs be kept at home.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Perhaps the dumbest video you have evah posted

You have to tailor your message to your audience. How are you helping?

[Typical Lax Dad]

And

[get it to x]

George Floyd's death and Blacks in general are being used by the Socialist movement to neuter the government and destroy capitalism.

Laughable!

Let's see some "proof" for this hilarious assertion.

Blacks are constantly told the country is evil. What is evil is dividing people by color and assigning motives to them based on that skin color. The dividing is done because divided people are easier to control.

The police created holocaust that has resulted in the murder and maiming of innocents, the intimidation of others, and the rendering of society into one where people live in fear for their lives because of police corruption and criminality are all examples of evil, not mythology. As those of you from the right have previously stated, quoting Jefferson's alleged saying "when people fear government, there is tyranny. When government fears people there is liberty". Those of you from the right always assert ideas like this when it comes to the 2d Amendment and white right wing people's fear of tyrannical government. Yet when it comes to people's fear of police violence and crime, your interests in the 2d Amendment suddenly disappears.

If you right wingers are so principled and believe so strongly in the 2d Amendment and in origin intent, where are your demand for people to exercise those rights? I've called for them enough times and you right wingers continue to call me "liberal". So why don't you people admit that the real problem is that we have an armed tyrannical government and an unarmed citizenry?

Proof is right in front of you. Dismantle the police is not a mainstream black idea. It's a Socialist idea. The vast majority of blacks in affected neighborhoods actually want law and order. What do you want, anarchy? Cops are already being ambushed. A holocaust is not less deaths in a year by cops of unarmed blacks (9 the last year recorded) than almost any week and sometimes any day in major American cities. You dishonor the actual Holocaust.

On the 2nd I'm for anyone having the right to defend themselves. Revolutions don't need popular support, but shooting up cities is not going to end well for anyone. We are better off looking for where the arrest of George Floyd went wrong, compensating his family and learning from the experience.

[6ftstick]

Seeing how most of the posters here are so quick to excuse personal behavior and responsibility. No blame for a city managed by Liberal progressives for 5 decades. A city with a black chief of Police and a state with a black Attorney General. And adamantly blame white privilege, police and systemic racism when statistically the predominant enemy of black people are other black people.

I posted this over a week ago and got NO response.

Interesting perspective from Civil Rights Activist Robert Woodson

Wondering how poor blacks can continue to do so poorly in systems and programs administered by blacks and liberal progressives since the 60's

Woodson noted that government anti-poverty programs have made poor people a "commodity" for "a professional class of providers." He said that most of the trillions of dollars spent on poverty in America don't go to the poor, but to those who serve poor people -- and who "need poor people for their own existence."

"We have some perverse incentives for maintaining poverty in America. It is unfortunate, but two out of ten whites with college educations work for government; six out of ten blacks. It is an unfortunate situation where a lot of professionally trained blacks are in the position of being caretakers of the their low-income counterparts."

Woodson said there's currently no incentive to reduce poverty:

"The problem is, the majority of the money that is employed to address poverty is invested in people that are outside of that zip code -- professional service providers. They ask not which problems are solvable, but they ask what problems are fundable.

"They are answerable, not to their customers, the poor -- they answer to those who provide the money. So the conflict here is really over who controls the means of providing monies to the poor.

"I've seen endless examples of poor people that come together and design effective solutions to drug addictions, to violence and crime, only to have these inoovations ignored."

And so every four years liberal progressive democrats trot out the old play book of systemic racism to drive their biggest block of voters.

[Brooklyn]

Proof is right in front of you. Dismantle the police is not a mainstream black idea. It's a Socialist idea. The vast majority of blacks in affected neighborhoods actually want law and order. What do you want, anarchy? Cops are already being ambushed. A holocaust is not less deaths in a year by cops of unarmed blacks (9 the last year recorded) than almost any week and sometimes any day in major American cities. You dishonor the actual Holocaust.

On the 2nd I'm for anyone having the right to defend themselves. Revolutions don't need popular support, but shooting up cities is not going to end well for anyone. We are better off looking for where the arrest of George Floyd went wrong, compensating his family and learning from the experience.

Socialists call for MORE government not less. This, along with more forms of government intrusiveness, is something right wingers assert on this forum in every other occasion. Holocausts occur when tyannical government kills innocents. It is a fact, not any form of dishonor when bringing out this truth.

Cities compensated the families related to the Central Park Five, victims of Mark Fuhrman, and innumerable other victims of criminal police corruption. Compensating those victims only bankrupts cities. Those cops retired on fat pensions and laugh all the way to the banks. If anything, these forms of compensation stimulate more police crimes because it means more money in their pockets. Therefore, the only way to stop the criminal cops is to bankrupt their unions by forcing them to pay the damages they create and to avoid all such crimes altogether by exercising 2d Amendment rights.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Seeing how most of the posters here are so quick to excuse personal behavior and responsibility. No blame for a city managed by Liberal progressives for 5 decades. A city with a black chief of Police and a state with a black Attorney General. And adamantly blame white privilege, police and systemic racism when statistically the predominant enemy of black people are other black people.

I posted this over a week ago and got NO response.

Interesting perspective from Civil Rights Activist Robert Woodson

Wondering how poor blacks can continue to do so poorly in systems and programs administered by blacks and liberal progressives since the 60's

Woodson noted that government anti-poverty programs have made poor people a "commodity" for "a professional class of providers." He said that most of the trillions of dollars spent on poverty in America don't go to the poor, but to those who serve poor people -- and who "need poor people for their own existence."

"We have some perverse incentives for maintaining poverty in America. It is unfortunate, but two out of ten whites with college educations work for government; six out of ten blacks. It is an unfortunate situation where a lot of professionally trained blacks are in the position of being caretakers of the their low-income counterparts."

Woodson said there's currently no incentive to reduce poverty:

"The problem is, the majority of the money that is employed to address poverty is invested in people that are outside of that zip code -- professional service providers. They ask not which problems are solvable, but they ask what problems are fundable.

"They are answerable, not to their customers, the poor -- they answer to those who provide the money. So the conflict here is really over who controls the means of providing monies to the poor.

"I've seen endless examples of poor people that come together and design effective solutions to drug addictions, to violence and crime, only to have these inoovations ignored."

How are you helping?

[Typical Lax Dad]

George Floyd's death and Blacks in general are being used by the Socialist movement to neuter the government and destroy capitalism.

Laughable!

Let's see some "proof" for this hilarious assertion.

Blacks are constantly told the country is evil. What is evil is dividing people by color and assigning motives to them based on that skin color. The dividing is done because divided people are easier to control.

The police created holocaust that has resulted in the murder and maiming of innocents, the intimidation of others, and the rendering of society into one where people live in fear for their lives because of police corruption and criminality are all examples of evil, not mythology. As those of you from the right have previously stated, quoting Jefferson's alleged saying "when people fear government, there is tyranny. When government fears people there is liberty". Those of you from the right always assert ideas like this when it comes to the 2d Amendment and white right wing people's fear of tyrannical government. Yet when it comes to people's fear of police violence and crime, your interests in the 2d Amendment suddenly disappears.

If you right wingers are so principled and believe so strongly in the 2d Amendment and in origin intent, where are your demand for people to exercise those rights? I've called for them enough times and you right wingers continue to call me "liberal". So why don't you people admit that the real problem is that we have an armed tyrannical government and an unarmed citizenry?

Proof is right in front of you. Dismantle the police is not a mainstream black idea. It's a Socialist idea. The vast majority of blacks in affected neighborhoods actually want law and order. What do you want, anarchy? Cops are already being ambushed. A holocaust is not less deaths in a year by cops of unarmed blacks (9 the last year recorded) than almost any week and sometimes any day in major American cities. You dishonor the actual Holocaust.

On the 2nd I'm for anyone having the right to defend themselves. Revolutions don't need popular support, but shooting up cities is not going to end well for anyone. We are better off looking for where the arrest of George Floyd went wrong, compensating his family and learning from the experience.

https://journals.openedition.org/pipss/330

I have not read the abstract but here is some scholarly work.

[Brooklyn]

Woodson noted that government anti-poverty programs have made poor people a "commodity" for "a professional class of providers." He said that most of the trillions of dollars spent on poverty in America don't go to the poor, but to those who serve poor people -- and who "need poor people for their own existence."

This is truer for farmers and corporations. I wonder how he feels about that.

[a fan]

Proof is right in front of you. Dismantle the police is not a mainstream black idea. It's a Socialist idea.

I keep trying to tell the right wing of the Water Cooler you're too busy worrying about the libs to apply conservative ideas to fix these problems.

How expensive is a police officer?

Now how much does a social worker cost? Far less, correct?

So what the F are we doing sending armed police officers to anyone who has trouble anywhere? Ask a 911 operator if every call requires someone shows up a the scene with a gun. Nope. Now you've already deescalated some of the ridiculous situations that folks are calling the police for....

And now government is smaller. Yep, I'm sure you can find a few nutjobs who want to remove the police altogether, but what most of the people are talking about is taking government money, and spending it more wisely. That fits PERFECTLY into conservative ideals.

Do we REALLY need to send the calvary every time someone picks of the phone? Think of how we changed our ideas surrounding hi speed chases. Someone figured out that those chases were doing more harm than good-----what the F are we doing sending dozens of high speed cars through our community to chase someone who may have committed a non-violent felony? So they stopped doing it. Smart.

Apply that thinking to our policing, and how and what we spend our tax dollars on.

[6ftstick]

Proof is right in front of you. Dismantle the police is not a mainstream black idea. It's a Socialist idea.

I keep trying to tell the right wing of the Water Cooler you're too busy worrying about the libs to apply conservative ideas to fix these problems.

How expensive is a police officer?

Now how much does a social worker cost? Far less, correct?

So what the F are we doing sending armed police officers to anyone who has trouble anywhere? Ask a 911 operator if every call requires someone shows up a the scene with a gun. Nope. Now you've already deescalated some of the ridiculous situations that folks are calling the police for....

And now government is smaller. Yep, I'm sure you can find a few nutjobs who want to remove the police altogether, but what most of the people are talking about is taking government money, and spending it more wisely. That fits PERFECTLY into conservative ideals.

Do we REALLY need to send the calvary every time someone picks of the phone? Think of how we changed our ideas surrounding hi speed chases. Someone figured out that those chases were doing more harm than good-----what the F are we doing sending dozens of high speed cars through our community to chase someone who may have committed a non-violent felony? So they stopped doing it. Smart.

Apply that thinking to our policing, and how and what we spend our tax dollars on.

Perfect little crime for your social worker types. Since no one give two sh*ts about it.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/disabled-vet ... O3NL3dwKF8

[runrussellrun]

George Floyd's death and Blacks in general are being used by the Socialist movement to neuter the government and destroy capitalism.

Laughable!

Let's see some "proof" for this hilarious assertion.

Blacks are constantly told the country is evil. What is evil is dividing people by color and assigning motives to them based on that skin color. The dividing is done because divided people are easier to control.

The police created holocaust that has resulted in the murder and maiming of innocents, the intimidation of others, and the rendering of society into one where people live in fear for their lives because of police corruption and criminality are all examples of evil, not mythology. As those of you from the right have previously stated, quoting Jefferson's alleged saying "when people fear government, there is tyranny. When government fears people there is liberty". Those of you from the right always assert ideas like this when it comes to the 2d Amendment and white right wing people's fear of tyrannical government. Yet when it comes to people's fear of police violence and crime, your interests in the 2d Amendment suddenly disappears.

If you right wingers are so principled and believe so strongly in the 2d Amendment and in origin intent, where are your demand for people to exercise those rights? I've called for them enough times and you right wingers continue to call me "liberal". So why don't you people admit that the real problem is that we have an armed tyrannical government and an unarmed citizenry?

Proof is right in front of you. Dismantle the police is not a mainstream black idea. It's a Socialist idea. The vast majority of blacks in affected neighborhoods actually want law and order. What do you want, anarchy? Cops are already being ambushed. A holocaust is not less deaths in a year by cops of unarmed blacks (9 the last year recorded) than almost any week and sometimes any day in major American cities. You dishonor the actual Holocaust.

On the 2nd I'm for anyone having the right to defend themselves. Revolutions don't need popular support, but shooting up cities is not going to end well for anyone. We are better off looking for where the arrest of George Floyd went wrong, compensating his family and learning from the experience.

aaaahhhh....gee whiz......cops being ambushed.

Knock, knock
who's there
NO one.....we don't need to stinking knocking.....we have a NO knock warrant, which means we get to "ambush" citizens and kill them.

Duncan Socretes Lemp of Potomac Maryland. I thought Potomac was where all the RICH people lived?

Until the pig cops march, arm and arm to STOP these idiotic policing methods......just like the Regulars/lobsterbacks.....expect to be attacked.

Unless the "good" cops want to where pink hats or something. Not a bad idea. Instead of sergeant stripes, put ribbons of shame on the BAD cops. Something that points out that this cop has had issues in the past. Otherwise, how are we to know, sleeping in our beds, which cop shot you

grow up and confront reality........ALL cops are bad. ALL of them.