old salt wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 2:42 pmSo what. NV indictments on 3 Boogaloo bois. You think they're the only organized rioters ?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 2:33 pmI just described the groups involved.old salt wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 2:27 pmSo the organized anarchists & organized criminal gangs that John Miller described in NYC are white supremacists ?RedFromMI wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 2:12 pmYou are assuming ulterior motives not necessarily even evident, and I am assuming a small number of criminals taking advantage of a situation they have no real part of, but can infiltrate. That is both for looters who come from the 'hood and the white nationalists converging on the scene to make further trouble. And again - how does focusing on the "looters" as if they are representative of the protesters fix the problem rather than exacerbate it?old salt wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 2:03 pmIt's a mechanism for focusing on the actual damages done & the ulterior motives of those encouraging & rationalizing the destructive, deadly rioting & looting.RedFromMI wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:41 pmIt is a mechanism for changing the subject. Then the conversation is steered toward something it was not originally - what to do about those few bad police apples. Instead it becomes about how bad the people who are protesting really are, so they can be dismissed and the original problem is still there but now ignored.a fan wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:29 pmThis is the part that I can't stand when it comes to the focus on rioting.
America understands the idea of having a few bad apples at police departments making the 99% of good cops look bad. They get that, without any difficulty whatsoever.
But when the same thing happens with peaceful demonstrations? A few "bad apples" acting like total wankers, ruining the peaceful protest?
Suddenly they turn their understanding off. I don't get it.
No one is claiming their fellow posters don't care that George Floyd was murdered, or that their fellow posters don't condemn the policeman who murdered him.
And yet claims that their fellow posters don't care about rioting or looting are thrown around here with abandon.
Pretty disappointing....
The whole point of the protesting is to make the power structures in the country understand that it needs to pay attention and make positive changes.
So in that context - everything Trump has said about the killing is that everyone needs to do better. Nothing more - no plans on how to make that happen. And then the change in subject.
An utter LACK of leadership - which is one of the most consistent characteristics of the current president.
Law enforcement is not really helping itself if it makes itself enemies of more people than before. There are a lot of the "protesters" who are not African American who understand that the problem needs to be fixed. And that the backwards steps taken by the current administration to take sides with the most strict elements of the police has actually made the problem worse.
Look closer at the video clips of looters carrying stuff out of stores & point out the white supremacist group members for us.
So far, the only ones arrested for inciting violence have been boogaloo boys. White supremacists.
But it would appear that there are left wing nut job anarchists as well..and certainly some street gangs being opportunistic in the looting.
And some, yes, mad as hell, not going to take it any more, outraged folks who lose control.
But most of the protestors are none of the above. A vast majority are not.
And where they've been met with respect and empathy from the power structure, they've been allies in preventing violence and destruction and looting too.
That's the path forward.
L & R wing nuts, anarchists & criminal gangs -- they're all taking advantage of the disruption created by the protesters.
That's why strictly enforced curfews work, just like lockdowns blunted the covid spread. It's not THAT complicated.
You want to make this a L-R thing. They're ALL criminals.
Salt: you fall into the age old trap where Democrats try to convince you that your eyes are lying. Your eyes are not lying, none of our eyes are lying. 99% of the looting, burning, and defacing is being done at the behest of the far left. This is what they want, the destruction of what is America. If you choose to debate whether 3 boogaloos are who is doing the damage (had you ever heard of that group prior to 3 being caught?), you lose the argument before you start.
Anyone with one functional eye and half of one brain synapse still firing knows exactly who and what is doing the damage. And you know that by looking at which politicians are defending them, and who is bailing them out of jail. Follow the money all the time.