Race in America - Riots Explode in Chicago

[Farfromgeneva]

Your reading comprehension is worse than the kids in Season 4 of the Wire. My entire point in following up a prior post is that cops are just dudes, often ones who didn’t have white collar futures for one reason or another and additionally don’t have a true merit system earning them the job often. Combine that with the “we should all salute all police all the time” axiom along with “police are absolute authority on the streets” mentality in conjunction with poor training, historically spotty oversight and accountability and you are going to get these tragedies. There may be some degree of underlying racism but the bigger issue is these mediocre people, many of whole think of the job as a paycheck rather than a lifelong dream, get insufficient training, inflated egos, lethal force authority and some people are going to get killed. I’m saying the individuals should be held accountable but we don’t organize, fund or manage the police and legal system nearly tightly enough.

But some of you can’t understand nuance clearly.

[old salt]

I'm well aware of Antifa and their far left ties.

Often easy to spot in the crowds: Black hoodie, black facemask, backpack with their supplies, including hammer...

The guy with the hammer, when they unmasked him, had gray hair. ...not some angry kid.

[6ftstick]

Your reading comprehension is worse than the kids in Season 4 of the Wire. My entire point in following up a prior post is that cops are just dudes, often ones who didn’t have white collar futures for one reason or another and additionally don’t have a true merit system earning them the job often. Combine that with the “we should all salute all police all the time” axiom along with “police are absolute authority on the streets” mentality in conjunction with poor training, historically spotty oversight and accountability and you are going to get these tragedies. There may be some degree of underlying racism but the bigger issue is these mediocre people, many of whole think of the job as a paycheck rather than a lifelong dream, get insufficient training, inflated egos, lethal force authority and some people are going to get killed. I’m saying the individuals should be held accountable but we don’t organize, fund or manage the police and legal system nearly tightly enough.

But some of you can’t understand nuance clearly.

My comprehension seems to be accurate.

[Peter Brown]

Your reading comprehension is worse than the kids in Season 4 of the Wire. My entire point in following up a prior post is that cops are just dudes, often ones who didn’t have white collar futures for one reason or another and additionally don’t have a true merit system earning them the job often. Combine that with the “we should all salute all police all the time” axiom along with “police are absolute authority on the streets” mentality in conjunction with poor training, historically spotty oversight and accountability and you are going to get these tragedies. There may be some degree of underlying racism but the bigger issue is these mediocre people, many of whole think of the job as a paycheck rather than a lifelong dream, get insufficient training, inflated egos, lethal force authority and some people are going to get killed. I’m saying the individuals should be held accountable but we don’t organize, fund or manage the police and legal system nearly tightly enough.

But some of you can’t understand nuance clearly.

"The credibility I crave"? (I don't reread anyone's posts because it doesn't interest me that much)

If I did go back and reread your prior 'police' posts from last night, is it fair to assume they have the same criticism of police as the one above: "mediocre" "racist" "egos"?

Two of my best friends in life are two different Florida county Sheriffs (ie: the head cheeses). I may not know much, but I know this: neither is mediocre nor racist. They're the guys you want in your corner. In fact, both might be the most impressive men I have ever met.

That said, your posts say way more about yourself than I could possibly ever say, so I'll let them stand on their own.

[ggait]

Can you be sure this cop will go down? No.

The preliminary autopsy was just released right now, and the results suggest that the deceased died of causes unrelated to the cop's knee.

Since you say you are in a "semi-apology" mood, tell us what you think about this prior post from you? You still think Floyd's death was "unrelated to the cop's knee"? Or do you still stand by that?

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Peter Brown wrote: ↑
Fri May 29, 2020 1:47 pm
The coroner has come out with his results. They don't square with your preferred narrative.

More importantly, you are wrong here: the cop did not torture the guy 'to death'. He died of other causes, assuming the coroner is not corrupt and issued his findings in a neutral manner (which I will assume since coroners aren't generally partisan).

Peter -- family's medical examiners conclude that "the cause of death is asphyxia compression of the neck and back." That's actually consistent with what the public coroner said -- not strangulation, not tramautic asphyxia (blow to the chest). But the police restraint.

The most correct term is "mechanical" asphyxia or hypoxia. Squeezing the neck to deprive the brain of oxygenated blood. Which is completely duh obvious to anyone who watches the video. Except, apparently, you.

So you still sticking with your story that the cop's knee had nothing to do with it? Still think that, as you posted previously, is just a Democratic narrative and not the cause of death?

Seems like you are going full Holocaust/moon landing denier on us Pete.

You continue to sicken me.

Admins -- can you please finally ban this worthless sack of shirt?

If not, please ban me because I cannot take any more from this worthless excuse of a human being. Has no regard for common human deceny or the truth.

Apparently, the only way he can make his lifeless dick hard is by being a complete deplorable reprehensible sub-human miscreant. I'd gladly spit in his face if given the opportunity. Feel good a-hole Petey? You successfully triggered and deranged me. Go fork yourself. And here's the instructions from Ruth (Ozark) on how to do that: What you do is, you roll yourself into a ball or whatever, and you take your dick and you put it up your ass.”

[Brooklyn]

Brook: look at these white supremacist hooligans! Passing out molotov cocktails in Brooklyn so stores owned by hard-working Americans can be ruined. The shirt on the lady is a dead giveaway that she's a false flag Richard Spencer acolyte, total Republican. I see your point.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" and all that jazz, amirite!

The far left have nothing to do with the urban destruction.,..

https://nypost.com/2020/06/01/molotov-c ... ives-cops/

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/05/3 ... win-cities

You were saying .....



"Then he noticed a symbol from the far-right militia group Three Percenters affixed to the truck ...

''a truck that was being driven aggressively, honking and intimidating other drivers. The truck had a big white sticker on the back of the cab with the OK sign symbol associated with white supremacists.

''Turner Bargen, who saw a truck with a Three Percenters symbol on it

"Chatter on social media suggests that far-right activists and fringe libertarian groups are seizing on the instability to provoke violence and destruction ...

"On the Facebook page Big Igloo Bois, administrators have been posting callouts for members to protest in Minneapolis

''Ross also said he did not think that the group Antifa was as much of an agitator in the Twin Cities as President Trump has made it out to be.

''DeVario Bogenholm, a 23-year-old who’s lived in Minneapolis for most of his life, blames outsiders, who are mostly white, for turning peaceful protests violent Friday night

''neo-Nazis ..''

[Farfromgeneva]

Your reading comprehension is worse than the kids in Season 4 of the Wire. My entire point in following up a prior post is that cops are just dudes, often ones who didn’t have white collar futures for one reason or another and additionally don’t have a true merit system earning them the job often. Combine that with the “we should all salute all police all the time” axiom along with “police are absolute authority on the streets” mentality in conjunction with poor training, historically spotty oversight and accountability and you are going to get these tragedies. There may be some degree of underlying racism but the bigger issue is these mediocre people, many of whole think of the job as a paycheck rather than a lifelong dream, get insufficient training, inflated egos, lethal force authority and some people are going to get killed. I’m saying the individuals should be held accountable but we don’t organize, fund or manage the police and legal system nearly tightly enough.

But some of you can’t understand nuance clearly.

"The credibility I crave"? (I don't reread anyone's posts because it doesn't interest me that much)

If I did go back and reread your prior 'police' posts from last night, is it fair to assume they have the same criticism of police as the one above: "mediocre" "racist" "egos"?

Two of my best friends in life are two different Florida county Sheriffs (ie: the head cheeses). I may not know much, but I know this: neither is mediocre nor racist. They're the guys you want in your corner. In fact, both might be the most impressive men I have ever met.

That said, your posts say way more about yourself than I could possibly ever say, so I'll let them stand on their own.

Right back at you.

Ever heard of the 80/20 rule? Applies to doctors, bankers, police and politicians. 80% of people end up being mediocre. What a snowflake, consistent I guess though

[Farfromgeneva]

Your reading comprehension is worse than the kids in Season 4 of the Wire. My entire point in following up a prior post is that cops are just dudes, often ones who didn’t have white collar futures for one reason or another and additionally don’t have a true merit system earning them the job often. Combine that with the “we should all salute all police all the time” axiom along with “police are absolute authority on the streets” mentality in conjunction with poor training, historically spotty oversight and accountability and you are going to get these tragedies. There may be some degree of underlying racism but the bigger issue is these mediocre people, many of whole think of the job as a paycheck rather than a lifelong dream, get insufficient training, inflated egos, lethal force authority and some people are going to get killed. I’m saying the individuals should be held accountable but we don’t organize, fund or manage the police and legal system nearly tightly enough.

But some of you can’t understand nuance clearly.

My comprehension seems to be accurate.

Still don’t get it. They’re just mostly paycheck people who are held up high even when they screw up. Paycheck people make mistakes more frequently and typically with greater consequences than ones who’ve earned their way to something. Would expect you to think you’re owed something though similar to many family members. Claim independence and strength but really just weak and scared.

[old salt]

Hey Peter Brown, you'll love this:







The white pride of Rochester, Minnesota made to look so STUPID.

That undercover FBI agent took the Strzok course on how to entrap someone. He could have prevented the entire confrontation by quietly identifying himself, up front. He was looking to provoke an incident & demonstrate his superiority to a couple beat cops. The beat cops were the professionals in that encounter. I'd like to learn more about the credentials of the FBI victim. The other guy in the red shirt was not helping to defuze the situation, he was just making it worse. I wonder if he was also an undercover FBI agent ? Instead of making it a confrontation, the FBI agent(s) could have quietly made it a teachable moment for their fellow law enforcement officers. Undercover officers are supposed to avoid & defuze situations like that, not inflame them.

[Peter Brown]

ggait

Can you be sure this cop will go down? No.

The preliminary autopsy was just released right now, and the results suggest that the deceased died of causes unrelated to the cop's knee.

Since you say you are in a "semi-apology" mood, tell us what you think about this prior post from you? You still think Floyd's death was "unrelated to the cop's knee"? Or do you still stand by that?

Peter -- family's medical examiners conclude that "the cause of death is asphyxia compression of the neck and back." That's actually consistent with what the public coroner said -- not strangulation, not tramautic asphyxia (blow to the chest). But the police restraint.

The most correct term is "mechanical" asphyxia or hypoxia. Squeezing the neck to deprive the brain of oxygenated blood. Which is completely duh obvious to anyone who watches the video. Except, apparently, you.

So you still sticking with your story that the cop's knee had nothing to do with it?

Not what I said: I said I would wait for more information and that stories like this are almost always (but not, ALWAYS) more complex than first imagined. I am not sure if you think I am in favor of a cop jamming his knee into any suspect's neck, but in case you do, let me disabuse you of that notion.

What I do say is that this murder is no different in my eyes from the many thousands of others murders of people in America. I don't see homicide by police as an accelerating problem, in fact quite the opposite as police retrain their officers on de-escalations etc.

Now as to a more real issue, did you know that this weekend in Chicago, 82 people were shot and 19 died. Why is that not a concern of anyone here? Where is that thread? Any comments on that? Or we are good with those casualties, because you know, the narrative doesn't square?

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/6/1/2 ... -29-june-1

I find the focus by Democrats on narrative stories to be endlessly nauseating. It's always the same: America sucks.

It sucks in no small measure because Democrats promote bs woke, fear, and inflammatory narratives, which the media carries unblinkingly. And burning cities are a direct result of that.

[Peter Brown]

Brook: look at these white supremacist hooligans! Passing out molotov cocktails in Brooklyn so stores owned by hard-working Americans can be ruined. The shirt on the lady is a dead giveaway that she's a false flag Richard Spencer acolyte, total Republican. I see your point.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" and all that jazz, amirite!

The far left have nothing to do with the urban destruction.,..

https://nypost.com/2020/06/01/molotov-c ... ives-cops/

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/05/3 ... win-cities

You were saying .....



"Then he noticed a symbol from the far-right militia group Three Percenters affixed to the truck ...

''a truck that was being driven aggressively, honking and intimidating other drivers. The truck had a big white sticker on the back of the cab with the OK sign symbol associated with white supremacists.

''Turner Bargen, who saw a truck with a Three Percenters symbol on it

"Chatter on social media suggests that far-right activists and fringe libertarian groups are seizing on the instability to provoke violence and destruction ...

"On the Facebook page Big Igloo Bois, administrators have been posting callouts for members to protest in Minneapolis

''Ross also said he did not think that the group Antifa was as much of an agitator in the Twin Cities as President Trump has made it out to be.

''DeVario Bogenholm, a 23-year-old who’s lived in Minneapolis for most of his life, blames outsiders, who are mostly white, for turning peaceful protests violent Friday night

''neo-Nazis ..''

Brook: if it makes you sleep better, just pretend that the people looting and burning down stores in Minneapolis are 'nazis', all four of them that live in America. Literally no amount of facts, eyes on the ball, or first hand experience will convince you otherwise.

You should take a casual nighttime stroll in Hawthorne; I'm sure it will be fine.

[ggait]

Not what I said: I said I would wait for more information and that stories like this are almost always (but not, ALWAYS) more complex than first imagined.

Gaslighting bull shirt.

I quoted EXACTLY what you forking said:

The preliminary autopsy was just released right now, and the results suggest that the deceased died of causes unrelated to the cop's knee.

The coroner has come out with his results. They don't square with your preferred narrative.

More importantly, you are wrong here: the cop did not torture the guy 'to death'. He died of other causes, assuming the coroner is not corrupt and issued his findings in a neutral manner (which I will assume since coroners aren't generally partisan).

Just go away ass hole. We all know your are stupid, racist and have a needle dick. You are not welcome.

[Peter Brown]

Not what I said: I said I would wait for more information and that stories like this are almost always (but not, ALWAYS) more complex than first imagined.

Gaslighting bull shirt.

I quoted EXACTLY what you forking said:

The preliminary autopsy was just released right now, and the results suggest that the deceased died of causes unrelated to the cop's knee.

The coroner has come out with his results. They don't square with your preferred narrative.

More importantly, you are wrong here: the cop did not torture the guy 'to death'. He died of other causes, assuming the coroner is not corrupt and issued his findings in a neutral manner (which I will assume since coroners aren't generally partisan).

Just go away ass hole. We all know your are stupid, racist and have a needle dick. You are not welcome.

In addition to what appears often to be unpleasant online personalities, Democrats often have reading issues as well.

My words such as “suggest”, “preliminary”, and “assuming” are words of caution not definitives. A definitive would be Democrats can’t engage in dialogue.

That said, the autopsy you’re referencing is the family’s independent coroner not the coroner. And again, I’m not promoting a cop kneeing the guy in the neck.

[cradleandshoot]

Your reading comprehension is worse than the kids in Season 4 of the Wire. My entire point in following up a prior post is that cops are just dudes, often ones who didn’t have white collar futures for one reason or another and additionally don’t have a true merit system earning them the job often. Combine that with the “we should all salute all police all the time” axiom along with “police are absolute authority on the streets” mentality in conjunction with poor training, historically spotty oversight and accountability and you are going to get these tragedies. There may be some degree of underlying racism but the bigger issue is these mediocre people, many of whole think of the job as a paycheck rather than a lifelong dream, get insufficient training, inflated egos, lethal force authority and some people are going to get killed. I’m saying the individuals should be held accountable but we don’t organize, fund or manage the police and legal system nearly tightly enough.

But some of you can’t understand nuance clearly.

“police are absolute authority on the streets”

I think at this point in time there are other folks who are not police that are the absolute authority. When you can burn down a police station and the cops are sitting by twiddling their thumbs as the bad guys dance around in glee. That does not resemble absolute authority to me. As far as police work being just a paycheck, that same thing is true for 100 million middle class Americans that shlub off to work every day. We don't do it because we love it. We do it to get a paycheck. I have one advantage on my job. On most days I don't have people out there that want to kill me.

[get it to x]

Not what I said: I said I would wait for more information and that stories like this are almost always (but not, ALWAYS) more complex than first imagined.

Gaslighting bull shirt.

I quoted EXACTLY what you forking said:

The preliminary autopsy was just released right now, and the results suggest that the deceased died of causes unrelated to the cop's knee.

The coroner has come out with his results. They don't square with your preferred narrative.

More importantly, you are wrong here: the cop did not torture the guy 'to death'. He died of other causes, assuming the coroner is not corrupt and issued his findings in a neutral manner (which I will assume since coroners aren't generally partisan).

Just go away ass hole. We all know your are stupid, racist and have a needle dick. You are not welcome.

Forgive me for my lack of medical training but it doesn't take a forensic pathologist to recognize a murder when they see one. This was a murder, plain and simple. The act that caused the death could not be called anything but malicious. I am pro-life, so the death penalty would be too harsh. Putting him in with the general prison population would likely result in his death. As an example to police everywhere, he should get life without parole, and the other officers should do long sentences for their complicity in George Floyd's death.

As a conservative, I don't believe our country works best when anyone is marginalized (Well, maybe Joe Biden). No white person on this board, and that's most of us, has any idea what it's like to walk in a black man's shoes. Many black people have been told from the time they were little that they were evil by white people and victims by black people. How is that a recipe for success? We need to stop judging people by their immutable characteristics. If you don't like someone because of their skin color, what can they do about it? Where does the conversation go from there? The problems aren't all on white people or black people. We can only come out of this better when re realize we are one human race and our differences are minor compared to our similarities.

[tech37]

Just go away ass hole. We all know your are stupid, racist and have a needle dick. You are not welcome.

Yikes, someone needs a TO. Where's MDlax, the moral consciousness of the forum, when you need him? Oh, that's right, MDlax doesn't like what PB says either

[Brooklyn]

That undercover FBI agent took the Strzok course on how to entrap someone. He could have prevented the entire confrontation by quietly identifying himself, up front. He was looking to provoke an incident & demonstrate his superiority to a couple beat cops. The beat cops were the professionals in that encounter. I'd like to learn more about the credentials of the FBI victim. The other guy in the red shirt was not helping to defuze the situation, he was just making it worse. I wonder if he was also an undercover FBI agent ? Instead of making it a confrontation, the FBI agent(s) could have quietly made it a teachable moment for their fellow law enforcement officers. Undercover officers are supposed to avoid & defuze situations like that, not inflame them.

The other guys there were civilians, not FBI personnel. If the stupid cops had believed his words and not engaged in profiling they would not be so embarassed. Those cops are just stupid. There is no other way to describe them.

[cradleandshoot]

Just go away ass hole. We all know your are stupid, racist and have a needle dick. You are not welcome.

Yikes, someone needs a TO. Where's MDlax, the moral consciousness of the forum, when you need him? Oh, that's right, MDlax doesn't like what PM says either

I always wonder the same thing my self. When you really need MD he is nowhere to be found. Maybe we need some sort of a "bat signal" so we can notify him when his soothing and calm demeanor is needed in an emergency.

[Brooklyn]

Just go away ass hole. We all know your are stupid, racist and have a needle dick. You are not welcome.

Yikes, someone needs a TO. Where's MDlax, the moral consciousness of the forum, when you need him? Oh, that's right, MDlax doesn't like what PM says either

TO? Yeah I recommend that to a certain forum member who gave me this salutation: "KMA"

You don't see me using that on anyone here. But that's because I easily defeat each and every right winger here on a daily basis. It would be likelier for a roach to wrestle and pin an elephant than to have one of those befuddled "geniuses" defeat me.

[tech37]

Hey Peter Brown, you'll love this:







The white pride of Rochester, Minnesota made to look so STUPID.

That undercover FBI agent took the Strzok course on how to entrap someone. He could have prevented the entire confrontation by quietly identifying himself, up front. He was looking to provoke an incident & demonstrate his superiority to a couple beat cops. The beat cops were the professionals in that encounter. I'd like to learn more about the credentials of the FBI victim. The other guy in the red shirt was not helping to defuze the situation, he was just making it worse. I wonder if he was also an undercover FBI agent ? Instead of making it a confrontation, the FBI agent(s) could have quietly made it a teachable moment for their fellow law enforcement officers. Undercover officers are supposed to avoid & defuze situations like that, not inflame them.

This is depressing as hell. If that dude is in fact a Fed agent, more evidence that quality control in FBI is lacking.

Should be on the same team, obviously. Beat cops, trying to do their job...