2020 Elections - Trump FIRED

[ggait]

Republicans = America, if it's not too obvious to you.

And there you have it. Petey finally shows his true colors. Party over Country.

Let me correct you Petey.

Americans = America. Country over Party is the American way.

[youthathletics]

What is missing from your post? The usual.....the meat and potatoes.

He is saying this because Twitter has conveniently begun doing this exact thing. Nice post of omission.

Trump: "blatant lie"
Twitter label underneath: "get the facts on this issue"

Trump: "CENSORSHIP!!!!!"

Point taken. Negotiating 101, reach out far and settle in the middle.

[a fan]

I've got far left libs in my feed. They complain about censorship at FB, too.

It's not censorship. It's House Rules, which ain't the same thing. Don't like it? Don't visit the House.

[Peter Brown]

Reported today that Democratic billionaire Reid Hoffman will be one of the tech billionaires boosting Biden.

This is the same guy who helped rehab Jeffrey Epstein's image and bankrolled a Democratic disinformation campaign in Alabama.

Great job everyone! You hate Trump so much, you become just like him!

https://freebeacon.com/2020-election/bi ... ost-biden/

[wgdsr]

So the GOP ABSOLUTELY LOVES LOVES LOVES mail-in absentee voting because they think it favors them. They fear universal mail-in voting (UT, CO, WA, OR, HI) because they fear it makes it too easy for younger and darker voters to vote. But universal mail-in voting is eventually going to come to all states eventually. It is just better in every way.

Since there's more Dems than Reps, the GOP clings (with its cold dead hands) to every piece of our political system that allows the few to beat the many. Hence the focus on SCOTUS and judges, the US Senate, gerrymandering, voter ID, voter suppression, gutting the voting rights act, purging voter rolls, etc. etc. etc. Makes total sense -- if you are the minority you are not excited about anything that makes it more likely the majority will come out and vote.

So your conversation is completely disingenuous. It has less than zero to do with fraud. It is 100% about trying to increase the chances for your team to win the game. Which is fine and (unfortunately) the American way these days.

i agree both sides want the playing field to tilt their way. seems to me somewhere in there we should be able to find equitable solutions. from the colors above:

i have found both parties to be equally interested in having judges from their side up and down the courts. maybe it's just me. that's only logical that they should do that in any event.

don't understand this one. aren't both parties engaged in trying to win senate seats? or are you saying that we should no longer have a senate in its current construct?

voter id and purging voter rolls. why i posted. i looked at colorado's system that you posted a little while back and liked it. sounds like they've got it down at this point and high turnout.
what are the reasons/justifications anyone has for not having "good" voter ID laws, and wanting voter rolls to be accurate? and where is any research stating scientifically that one party is harmed by having them? for example, given what is out there now in a particular state --- what does the democrat party want to change for either? do they want that change to be universal?

[youthathletics]

Reported today that Democratic billionaire Reid Hoffman will be one of the tech billionaires boosting Biden.

This is the same guy who helped rehab Jeffrey Epstein's image and bankrolled a Democratic disinformation campaign in Alabama.

Great job everyone! You hate Trump so much, you become just like him!

https://freebeacon.com/2020-election/bi ... ost-biden/

TLD said it best. "Hopefully he can fog a mirror. If not, I will vote for him anyway." referring to Biden. Seems it is anyone BUT trump regardless of who is on the ticket.

[youthathletics]

What is missing from your post? The usual.....the meat and potatoes.

He is saying this because Twitter has conveniently begun doing this exact thing. Nice post of omission.

Trump: "blatant lie"
Twitter label underneath: "get the facts on this issue"

Trump: "CENSORSHIP!!!!!"

Point taken. Negotiating 101, reach out far and settle in the middle.

Just saw this Wonder why TEitter did not censor her for suggestion Trump be murdered? https://twitter.com/kathygriffin/status ... 29025?s=20


@kathygriffin
I SURE DID, heck. (EFF WORD ALL CAPS)
#TrumpLiedPeopleDied
Quote Tweet
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Washington Examiner
@dcexaminer
· 19h
.@KathyGriffin advocates for someone to stab @realDonaldTrump with syringe full of air.

Air embolisms, caused by air getting into the bloodstream, can be fatal.

https://washex.am/2zy0NnF
8:31 PM · May 26, 2020·Twitter for iPad
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[njbill]

The whole purpose of voting by paper is to allow Democrats today yet one more avenue to cheat to win an election.

Petey -- let me give you a few actual facts. And then you can resume your fact-free, clueless, partisan, axe grinding unabated.

In 1992, 92% of the votes nation-wide were cast the old school way -- in person on election day. Down to 60% in 2016. Covid or no, that percentage will continue to drop in each upcoming election cycle. Old school could be the minority of votes cast in 2020. In person/election day voting may well disappear in our lifetimes. It is expensive, inconvenient, and not all that secure and fraud-free.

No voting system is perfect. But new school voting (soon to be the majority way of voting) is as reliable (or more reliable) as old school.

Studies show little evidence of partisan lean in new school voting methods. Mostly, new school voting favors the party that is better able to mobilize its voters to use the new school methods. For a long time, that actually favored the GOP. Because the GOP was very good at getting its older whiter voters to request absentee ballots. That's why Dem politicians in OR and WA initially opposed their universal mail-in election systems.

So the GOP ABSOLUTELY LOVES LOVES LOVES mail-in absentee voting because they think it favors them. They fear universal mail-in voting (UT, CO, WA, OR, HI) because they fear it makes it too easy for younger and darker voters to vote. But universal mail-in voting is eventually going to come to all states eventually. It is just better in every way.

Since there's more Dems than Reps, the GOP clings (with its cold dead hands) to every piece of our political system that allows the few to beat the many. Hence the focus on SCOTUS and judges, the US Senate, gerrymandering, voter ID, voter suppression, gutting the voting rights act, purging voter rolls, etc. etc. etc. Makes total sense -- if you are the minority you are not excited about anything that makes it more likely the majority will come out and vote.

So your conversation is completely disingenuous. It has less than zero to do with fraud. It is 100% about trying to increase the chances for your team to win the game. Which is fine and (unfortunately) the American way these days.

So I'd prefer you just own it -- that's fine. Rather than pee-ing on our legs and telling us it is raining.

+1. I nominate ggait to respond to all Trumpist posts on mail-in ballots. Just the rational ones.

In the words of the Very Stable Genius, "if everyone votes, Republicans will never win an election."

[njbill]

This is the same guy who . . . bankrolled a Democratic disinformation campaign in Alabama.

You mean the one where Roy Moore was exposed as a sexual predator?

[youthathletics]

The whole purpose of voting by paper is to allow Democrats today yet one more avenue to cheat to win an election.

Petey -- let me give you a few actual facts. And then you can resume your fact-free, clueless, partisan, axe grinding unabated.

In 1992, 92% of the votes nation-wide were cast the old school way -- in person on election day. Down to 60% in 2016. Covid or no, that percentage will continue to drop in each upcoming election cycle. Old school could be the minority of votes cast in 2020. In person/election day voting may well disappear in our lifetimes. It is expensive, inconvenient, and not all that secure and fraud-free.

No voting system is perfect. But new school voting (soon to be the majority way of voting) is as reliable (or more reliable) as old school.

Studies show little evidence of partisan lean in new school voting methods. Mostly, new school voting favors the party that is better able to mobilize its voters to use the new school methods. For a long time, that actually favored the GOP. Because the GOP was very good at getting its older whiter voters to request absentee ballots. That's why Dem politicians in OR and WA initially opposed their universal mail-in election systems.

So the GOP ABSOLUTELY LOVES LOVES LOVES mail-in absentee voting because they think it favors them. They fear universal mail-in voting (UT, CO, WA, OR, HI) because they fear it makes it too easy for younger and darker voters to vote. But universal mail-in voting is eventually going to come to all states eventually. It is just better in every way.

Since there's more Dems than Reps, the GOP clings (with its cold dead hands) to every piece of our political system that allows the few to beat the many. Hence the focus on SCOTUS and judges, the US Senate, gerrymandering, voter ID, voter suppression, gutting the voting rights act, purging voter rolls, etc. etc. etc. Makes total sense -- if you are the minority you are not excited about anything that makes it more likely the majority will come out and vote.

So your conversation is completely disingenuous. It has less than zero to do with fraud. It is 100% about trying to increase the chances for your team to win the game. Which is fine and (unfortunately) the American way these days.

So I'd prefer you just own it -- that's fine. Rather than pee-ing on our legs and telling us it is raining.

+1. I nominate ggait to respond to all Trumpist posts on mail-in ballots. Just the rational ones.

In the words of the Very Stable Genius, "if everyone votes, Republicans will never win an election."

Hep us understand why Nadler, in 2004, was arguing how corrupt mail in voting was in New York?

[a fan]

Why do you think he said that?

You understand that GGait and others here are actually arguing for Democracy, and aren't simply trying to get Dems elected, right?

These are politicians trying to win, and don't care about anything else. F them, regardless of party.

The question to you and Pete is: if Voter ID is so important, and mail in ballots are bad-----why does every single State controlled by Republicans allow mail in ballots?

I'll write it again: every single State in our Union allows at least some voters to mail in their ballot. All of them. 100%.

So why are Republicans allowing this to happen if fraud is such as serious concern?

The answer, obviously, is that they could give two $hits about fraud, and only care about winning. Whatever does that? They're good.

[Peter Brown]

The whole purpose of voting by paper is to allow Democrats today yet one more avenue to cheat to win an election.

Petey -- let me give you a few actual facts. And then you can resume your fact-free, clueless, partisan, axe grinding unabated.

In 1992, 92% of the votes nation-wide were cast the old school way -- in person on election day. Down to 60% in 2016. Covid or no, that percentage will continue to drop in each upcoming election cycle. Old school could be the minority of votes cast in 2020. In person/election day voting may well disappear in our lifetimes. It is expensive, inconvenient, and not all that secure and fraud-free.

No voting system is perfect. But new school voting (soon to be the majority way of voting) is as reliable (or more reliable) as old school.

Studies show little evidence of partisan lean in new school voting methods. Mostly, new school voting favors the party that is better able to mobilize its voters to use the new school methods. For a long time, that actually favored the GOP. Because the GOP was very good at getting its older whiter voters to request absentee ballots. That's why Dem politicians in OR and WA initially opposed their universal mail-in election systems.

So the GOP ABSOLUTELY LOVES LOVES LOVES mail-in absentee voting because they think it favors them. They fear universal mail-in voting (UT, CO, WA, OR, HI) because they fear it makes it too easy for younger and darker voters to vote. But universal mail-in voting is eventually going to come to all states eventually. It is just better in every way.

Since there's more Dems than Reps, the GOP clings (with its cold dead hands) to every piece of our political system that allows the few to beat the many. Hence the focus on SCOTUS and judges, the US Senate, gerrymandering, voter ID, voter suppression, gutting the voting rights act, purging voter rolls, etc. etc. etc. Makes total sense -- if you are the minority you are not excited about anything that makes it more likely the majority will come out and vote.

So your conversation is completely disingenuous. It has less than zero to do with fraud. It is 100% about trying to increase the chances for your team to win the game. Which is fine and (unfortunately) the American way these days.

So I'd prefer you just own it -- that's fine. Rather than pee-ing on our legs and telling us it is raining.

How do you plant dope? Bury a Liberal.

(it's raining folks but libs don't want you to notice it's pee; there's nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact...)

Perhaps you good people would do me the favor of reading this article from the Orlando Sun Sentinel and see just how easy it is for Democrats to cheat, lie, and steal their way with mail voting...there is zero accountability and no one will mind the till. This is what Democrats want: chaos, confusion, and your patience.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion/co ... story.html

they have no way to check to see whether someone exists.

There are two big problems with vote by mail. Number one, are the sort of things we discovered in the Justice Department when I was there — of people voting the ballot for other people through undue influence. That’s the first one. The second one — the voter rolls are a mess

Democrats will try to win at all costs. Republicans must win by 5% in order to overcome the fraud.

[a fan]

Perhaps you good people would do me the favor of reading this article from the Orlando Sun Sentinel and see just how easy it is for Democrats to cheat, lie, and steal their way with mail voting...there is zero accountability and no one will mind the till. This is what Democrats want: chaos, confusion, and your patience.

Don't forget that Dems kick dogs, and throw old people into oncoming traffic when no one is looking.

There are two big problems with vote by mail.

Answer this question: how do Americans receive their Driver's licenses and Passports in the first place? Take you time, and think this through.

Secondly, what's keeping your super-dooper awesome Republican States from shutting down all voting by mail?

Take your time, and get back to us.

This is all so stupid. What's more, you know it's stupid, but that won't stop you from your silly trolling....

[CU88]

The whole purpose of voting by paper is to allow Democrats today yet one more avenue to cheat to win an election.

Petey -- let me give you a few actual facts. And then you can resume your fact-free, clueless, partisan, axe grinding unabated.

In 1992, 92% of the votes nation-wide were cast the old school way -- in person on election day. Down to 60% in 2016. Covid or no, that percentage will continue to drop in each upcoming election cycle. Old school could be the minority of votes cast in 2020. In person/election day voting may well disappear in our lifetimes. It is expensive, inconvenient, and not all that secure and fraud-free.

No voting system is perfect. But new school voting (soon to be the majority way of voting) is as reliable (or more reliable) as old school.

Studies show little evidence of partisan lean in new school voting methods. Mostly, new school voting favors the party that is better able to mobilize its voters to use the new school methods. For a long time, that actually favored the GOP. Because the GOP was very good at getting its older whiter voters to request absentee ballots. That's why Dem politicians in OR and WA initially opposed their universal mail-in election systems.

So the GOP ABSOLUTELY LOVES LOVES LOVES mail-in absentee voting because they think it favors them. They fear universal mail-in voting (UT, CO, WA, OR, HI) because they fear it makes it too easy for younger and darker voters to vote. But universal mail-in voting is eventually going to come to all states eventually. It is just better in every way.

Since there's more Dems than Reps, the GOP clings (with its cold dead hands) to every piece of our political system that allows the few to beat the many. Hence the focus on SCOTUS and judges, the US Senate, gerrymandering, voter ID, voter suppression, gutting the voting rights act, purging voter rolls, etc. etc. etc. Makes total sense -- if you are the minority you are not excited about anything that makes it more likely the majority will come out and vote.

So your conversation is completely disingenuous. It has less than zero to do with fraud. It is 100% about trying to increase the chances for your team to win the game. Which is fine and (unfortunately) the American way these days.

So I'd prefer you just own it -- that's fine. Rather than pee-ing on our legs and telling us it is raining.

+1. I nominate ggait to respond to all Trumpist posts on mail-in ballots. Just the rational ones.

In the words of the Very Stable Genius, "if everyone votes, Republicans will never win an election."

Hep us understand why Nadler, in 2004, was arguing how corrupt mail in voting was in New York?

Did you watch the video of that whole Hearing??? He was calling for proper record keeping to all types of voting records. As if he knew that ill willed individuals could try to subvert the process.

[Peter Brown]

Perhaps you good people would do me the favor of reading this article from the Orlando Sun Sentinel and see just how easy it is for Democrats to cheat, lie, and steal their way with mail voting...there is zero accountability and no one will mind the till. This is what Democrats want: chaos, confusion, and your patience.

Don't forget that Dems kick dogs, and throw old people into oncoming traffic when no one is looking.

There are two big problems with vote by mail.

Answer this question: how do Americans receive their Driver's licenses and Passports in the first place? Take you time, and think this through.

Secondly, what's keeping your super-dooper awesome Republican States from shutting down all voting by mail?

Take your time, and get back to us.

This is all so stupid. What's more, you know it's stupid, but that won't stop you from your silly trolling....

Great suggestion! I think one should have to pass a test to vote, just like for a driver's license.

And as to a passport, even better idea!

Form DS-11.
Proof of U.S. citizenship (such as a birth or naturalization certificate)
Government-issued photo ID (such as a driver's license or military ID)
Color passport photo.
Fee payment (check or money order)

Please where do we sign up for this change of law that a fan proposes?

[njbill]

The whole purpose of voting by paper is to allow Democrats today yet one more avenue to cheat to win an election.

Petey -- let me give you a few actual facts. And then you can resume your fact-free, clueless, partisan, axe grinding unabated.

In 1992, 92% of the votes nation-wide were cast the old school way -- in person on election day. Down to 60% in 2016. Covid or no, that percentage will continue to drop in each upcoming election cycle. Old school could be the minority of votes cast in 2020. In person/election day voting may well disappear in our lifetimes. It is expensive, inconvenient, and not all that secure and fraud-free.

No voting system is perfect. But new school voting (soon to be the majority way of voting) is as reliable (or more reliable) as old school.

Studies show little evidence of partisan lean in new school voting methods. Mostly, new school voting favors the party that is better able to mobilize its voters to use the new school methods. For a long time, that actually favored the GOP. Because the GOP was very good at getting its older whiter voters to request absentee ballots. That's why Dem politicians in OR and WA initially opposed their universal mail-in election systems.

So the GOP ABSOLUTELY LOVES LOVES LOVES mail-in absentee voting because they think it favors them. They fear universal mail-in voting (UT, CO, WA, OR, HI) because they fear it makes it too easy for younger and darker voters to vote. But universal mail-in voting is eventually going to come to all states eventually. It is just better in every way.

Since there's more Dems than Reps, the GOP clings (with its cold dead hands) to every piece of our political system that allows the few to beat the many. Hence the focus on SCOTUS and judges, the US Senate, gerrymandering, voter ID, voter suppression, gutting the voting rights act, purging voter rolls, etc. etc. etc. Makes total sense -- if you are the minority you are not excited about anything that makes it more likely the majority will come out and vote.

So your conversation is completely disingenuous. It has less than zero to do with fraud. It is 100% about trying to increase the chances for your team to win the game. Which is fine and (unfortunately) the American way these days.

So I'd prefer you just own it -- that's fine. Rather than pee-ing on our legs and telling us it is raining.

+1. I nominate ggait to respond to all Trumpist posts on mail-in ballots. Just the rational ones.

In the words of the Very Stable Genius, "if everyone votes, Republicans will never win an election."

Hep us understand why Nadler, in 2004, was arguing how corrupt mail in voting was in New York?

Beats me. But if you asked him today, I'll bet he'd say his views have "evolved" in the past 16 years.

Ask Kayleigh McEnany why she thinks mail in voting is so safe she's used it 11 times.

Ask Trump why he voted by mail in the Florida primary.

Or is voting by mail only bad when Ds do it?

[Peter Brown]

The whole purpose of voting by paper is to allow Democrats today yet one more avenue to cheat to win an election.

Petey -- let me give you a few actual facts. And then you can resume your fact-free, clueless, partisan, axe grinding unabated.

In 1992, 92% of the votes nation-wide were cast the old school way -- in person on election day. Down to 60% in 2016. Covid or no, that percentage will continue to drop in each upcoming election cycle. Old school could be the minority of votes cast in 2020. In person/election day voting may well disappear in our lifetimes. It is expensive, inconvenient, and not all that secure and fraud-free.

No voting system is perfect. But new school voting (soon to be the majority way of voting) is as reliable (or more reliable) as old school.

Studies show little evidence of partisan lean in new school voting methods. Mostly, new school voting favors the party that is better able to mobilize its voters to use the new school methods. For a long time, that actually favored the GOP. Because the GOP was very good at getting its older whiter voters to request absentee ballots. That's why Dem politicians in OR and WA initially opposed their universal mail-in election systems.

So the GOP ABSOLUTELY LOVES LOVES LOVES mail-in absentee voting because they think it favors them. They fear universal mail-in voting (UT, CO, WA, OR, HI) because they fear it makes it too easy for younger and darker voters to vote. But universal mail-in voting is eventually going to come to all states eventually. It is just better in every way.

Since there's more Dems than Reps, the GOP clings (with its cold dead hands) to every piece of our political system that allows the few to beat the many. Hence the focus on SCOTUS and judges, the US Senate, gerrymandering, voter ID, voter suppression, gutting the voting rights act, purging voter rolls, etc. etc. etc. Makes total sense -- if you are the minority you are not excited about anything that makes it more likely the majority will come out and vote.

So your conversation is completely disingenuous. It has less than zero to do with fraud. It is 100% about trying to increase the chances for your team to win the game. Which is fine and (unfortunately) the American way these days.

So I'd prefer you just own it -- that's fine. Rather than pee-ing on our legs and telling us it is raining.

+1. I nominate ggait to respond to all Trumpist posts on mail-in ballots. Just the rational ones.

In the words of the Very Stable Genius, "if everyone votes, Republicans will never win an election."

Hep us understand why Nadler, in 2004, was arguing how corrupt mail in voting was in New York?

Beats me. But if you asked him today, I'll bet he'd say his views have "evolved" in the past 16 years.

Ask Kayleigh McEnany why she thinks mail in voting is so safe she's used it 11 times.

Ask Trump why he voted by mail in the Florida primary.

Or is voting by mail only bad when Ds do it?

Voting by mail in certain circumstances is great and lawful. But one must request a form and provide a relatively significant amount of personal data; the form isn't mailed out to millions. If you request to vote by mail, presumably you have the IQ to actually vote.

Unilaterally mailing millions of blank forms to millions of unverified addresses to millions of dead person names is an open invitation to Democrats to do their dirty deeds.

[CU88]

Perhaps you good people would do me the favor of reading this article from the Orlando Sun Sentinel and see just how easy it is for Democrats to cheat, lie, and steal their way with mail voting...there is zero accountability and no one will mind the till. This is what Democrats want: chaos, confusion, and your patience.

Don't forget that Dems kick dogs, and throw old people into oncoming traffic when no one is looking.

There are two big problems with vote by mail.

Answer this question: how do Americans receive their Driver's licenses and Passports in the first place? Take you time, and think this through.

Secondly, what's keeping your super-dooper awesome Republican States from shutting down all voting by mail?

Take your time, and get back to us.

This is all so stupid. What's more, you know it's stupid, but that won't stop you from your silly trolling....

Great suggestion! I think one should have to pass a test to vote,

That trade off has been offered for years, in return for like kind to gun ownership. Guess who then cries like the little bitches that they are...

[Peter Brown]

Perhaps you good people would do me the favor of reading this article from the Orlando Sun Sentinel and see just how easy it is for Democrats to cheat, lie, and steal their way with mail voting...there is zero accountability and no one will mind the till. This is what Democrats want: chaos, confusion, and your patience.

Don't forget that Dems kick dogs, and throw old people into oncoming traffic when no one is looking.

There are two big problems with vote by mail.

Answer this question: how do Americans receive their Driver's licenses and Passports in the first place? Take you time, and think this through.

Secondly, what's keeping your super-dooper awesome Republican States from shutting down all voting by mail?

Take your time, and get back to us.

This is all so stupid. What's more, you know it's stupid, but that won't stop you from your silly trolling....

Great suggestion! I think one should have to pass a test to vote,

That trade off has been offered for years, in return for like kind to gun ownership. Guess who then cries like the little bitches that they are...

I'm fairly conservative and I believe in fairly stringent background checks, as do most people. And the truth is gun sales now require background checks, even private sales. The problem with any gun discussion is the underlying desire by Democrats, which is really to confiscate all guns. And before you tell me that isn't true, very solid polls say otherwise.

Democrats are evenly split on banning all handguns (including revolvers) except those carried by law enforcement.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/c ... Report.pdf

[njbill]

Perhaps you good people would do me the favor of reading this article from the Orlando Sun Sentinel and see just how easy it is for Democrats to cheat, lie, and steal their way with mail voting...there is zero accountability and no one will mind the till. This is what Democrats want: chaos, confusion, and your patience.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion/co ... story.html

they have no way to check to see whether someone exists.

There are two big problems with vote by mail. Number one, are the sort of things we discovered in the Justice Department when I was there — of people voting the ballot for other people through undue influence. That’s the first one. The second one — the voter rolls are a mess

Democrats will try to win at all costs. Republicans must win by 5% in order to overcome the fraud.

I read your article. Not a good commentary on your Republican-lead Florida government. Better mention that to Ron next time you see him.

In any event, the author only got one ballot though she was trying to get three. So, one person, one vote, even if the process got screwed up.

A key purpose of her article was to highlight Republican voter fraud in NC.

So what is your solution? Do away with all voting by mail, including absentee? No military voting?

All states allow voting by mail, some to a greater degree than others. If there are problems, fix them, but voting by mail is going to happen, regardless of how much you Rs kick and scream that we can't leave the 19th century.