"openly written"???youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 10:16 amNot deflecting at all, just attempting to bring you back to earth. You have just openly written that "Obama would have also made mistakes along the way"....what if BHO presented this 180 from Trump and scared the hell out of everyone.....would that have made you happier? Wonder if there could have been more suicides b/c of that, maybe looting beyond control out of fear that food would not available. You or I simply do not know.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 9:52 amI don't think you actually answered my question, just tried to deflect.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 9:41 amObama would have done the exact same, if he had listened to Fauci, just like Trump did....as far back as late January. He would have also helped send PPE to China, just like this administration did.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 9:19 amKram, you're correct, of course, that the "left" are 'having a field day' criticizing Trump and the Trump GOP.kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 9:01 am So you’re surmising that the delusional right winger extremists would possibly be doing EXACTLY what YOU and some lefties are doing right now?
And you don’t condone that behavior, I assume?
So where does that put you on the scale?
Where is afan when we need him to point out another hypocritical poster on fanlax?!
Seriously, though, can you imagine Obama having made the various statements, made the various decisions, that Trump has? Can you imagine Obama having politicized this pandemic to this degree?
Or would Obama have made a series of very different, far more cautionary statements, made decisions to engage the federal government earlier, and continued to be cautious throughout? Would he have spoken primarily in unifying terms?
Of course, the pandemic would have nevertheless happened and been deeply damaging, indeed 'mistakes' would still have been made, but quite definitely not to the same degree. So, there would have been ample fodder for critique, but would Obama have positioned this as 'nothing', going to go away 'magically', etc, etc, etc? Nope.
Sure, a mistake or two would have been made in late January...but February forward do you really think he'd not have had a very, very different public posture, and made very, very different decisions about engaging the federal government?
We can run the tape for you on Trump's various statements along the way...do you really think Obama would have been so egregiously buffoonish?
This is not to say Obama wouldn't have made his own mistakes, and he certainly would have received withering criticism from the right, but let's be honest about what we think really would have happened.
Hope all are safe and healthy in your family MD. Have a great day.
Of course mistakes would have been made.
Yes, I'd have been enormously 'happier' if Obama had begun to scare everyone in February, shutdowns had begun in early March. We'd have still had infection spread, but much less. The shutdowns could have been eased more rationally, and sooner, with more people understanding the necessity for their own behavior to support that easing.
Of course, I had the added perspective of my son, who was in China working in January.
Total cost in lives and $ would have been a fraction of what it is going to be. Still bad, but nowhere's near as bad.
I'd have preferred a South Korea management level of this.
We would have not come anywhere near as close to health system collapse and the food system would have been better managed, not worse.
My concern right now is the bigger wave that may well come because too many Americans act like idiots going forward. I do worry about social panic at that stage.
Let's hope that doesn't happen.
Same to you and yours, stay safe and well. And have a great Memorial Day weekend.