Johns Hopkins 2021

[MDlaxfan76]

Let's say we enter the fall with 60+ guys on the roster...my hunch is they trim that down to the vicinity of 50 before the real games start. Lots of teams are going to have cuts and we'll be one of them. The big complication is that there might not be a fall ball program this year—if that's the case I'm not sure exactly how you can fairly make cuts. Guys with scholarships would NOT be safe from cuts. Apparently there's a stipulation in the NCAA rules that a new staff can make cuts and reallocate those players' scholarships immediately.

maybe i'm confused by what you mean here. are you saying a team can cut a guy during the school year, then use what was his scholarship money re: the 12.6 on someone else? because the player you're cutting is still getting his money in that academic year.

a new staff would be able to then have what amounts to extra scholarships allowed (as the player(s) cut are no longer on the team)? i'm not saying it's impossible (the dox/villanova/uva rule is new to me and kinda messed up), and the nc$$ has some ridiculous rules... but i'd definitely be surprised.

I'd be guessing that's the subsequent year.

[MDlaxfan76]

It's 12.6 for the ENTIRE TEAM. So, therefore, virtually no one gets a full ride. So if this were evenly distributed for 63 each kid would get an approximate 20% scholarship. Obviously, this is not a socialistic enterprise so some get more and some "No soup for you". How Petro handled that issue recruiting kids almost 4 years in advance I have no idea. Hopkins needed a capologist more than the Ravens or the Redskins.

so a college coach has to pick each year which among the players get the 12.6 scholarships out of a roster of 45 guys... you can literally have players on the team then that are not even getting the scholarship benefits.. this makes me wonder how much dissent there could be in a locker room if a scholarship is taken from one guy and given to another

I (anecdotally) know of one instance of a division 1 coach doing exactly that in the locker room after a practice with the entire team present. I will say that the coach is still there and it is not a team that has enjoyed top 10/20 status.

I'm surprised guys even know who gets what. Really no one's business other than whether there's any $ available for them, each year.

But I'm more familiar with the Ivies where no one gets an athletic scholarship, but anyone demonstrating need can get very strong support. If I'm not mistaken, the Bloomberg gift puts Hopkins on par with the Ivies in that regard, plus the ability to do the 12.6. The Ivies can't compete with the 12.6. Previously, Hopkins couldn't really compete with the need based aid.

So, seems to me that Hopkins is in good shape with the financial aspects of the picture. Of course, Hopkins also has a degree and brand that many are happy to pay full boat to achieve.

[Hoponboard]

-the bloomberg aid is only for parents below a certain threshold and hopkins is pretty strict with merit aid. It's not a blank check and this is still one of the most expensive schools in the country and at least $3-5k/year more than most of our rivals.

i dunno. i ran through the hopkins quick calulator several weeks ago with some decent sized numbers, and there seems to be aid-o-plenty:
https://finaid.jhu.edu/undergraduate-ai ... ege-costs/

I used the calculator with the following hypothetical inputs. Pretty generous results:

$41,200 Student and Parent Contribution
$31,300 Need-based Scholarship
$2,700 Student Work-Study
$0 Expected Student Loan
TOTAL
Johns Hopkins University
TOTAL ANNUAL COST - $75,200
Tuition, Fees, Room and Board and Other Costs

Your Inputs
Family income
$250,000
Cash balance for savings and checking
$60,000
Retirement and pension IRA accounts
$200,000
Non-retirement investments
$0
Siblings enrolled
1
Home value
$1,000,000
Mortgage balance
$500,000

[Farfromgeneva]

That’s buying a new car more or less for four straight years and with the sibling discount, so even at $250k/annum you’re kicking in $82k/yr to the school, or 1/3 of your annual gross, before taxes, cost of living or anything else. That $500k mortgage is likely at a 4% or above given the gap between equity and mortgage for most so w escrows you’re talking $40-$50k/yr depending on taxes and insurance.

I don’t know, $41k a year doesn’t look generous or cheap. Looks like something my mother would’ve bought that was semi useless and then made the case for its value because it’s listed price was so much higher.

BTW, I’m general id expect a $250k I come and $200k retirement account w a $500k mortgage to be a little less liquid. Typically that profile would be more like 4-6 mo of carry. Maybe cut that by 1/3-1/2 and see if that makes a difference.

Problem with these calculators is they’re evaluating home equity. Colleges shouldn’t be doing that in calculating what a family can afford. It’s gross and they all do it.

[Mightyjoe]

That’s buying a new car more or less for four straight years and with the sibling discount, so even at $250k/annum you’re kicking in $82k/yr to the school, or 1/3 of your annual gross, before taxes, cost of living or anything else. That $500k mortgage is likely at a 4% or above given the gap between equity and mortgage for most so w escrows you’re talking $40-$50k/yr depending on taxes and insurance.

I don’t know, $41k a year doesn’t look generous or cheap. Looks like something my mother would’ve bought that was semi useless and then made the case for its value because it’s listed price was so much higher.

BTW, I’m general id expect a $250k I come and $200k retirement account w a $500k mortgage to be a little less liquid. Typically that profile would be more like 4-6 mo of carry. Maybe cut that by 1/3-1/2 and see if that makes a difference.

Problem with these calculators is they’re evaluating home equity. Colleges shouldn’t be doing that in calculating what a family can afford. It’s gross and they all do it.

Who cares. You guys must be extremely bored to continue with this financial thread. 63 kids! Who cares how they stay. We get it, roster is too big.

[nyjay]

Memorial Day weekend with no lacrosse.

[wgdsr]

That’s buying a new car more or less for four straight years and with the sibling discount, so even at $250k/annum you’re kicking in $82k/yr to the school, or 1/3 of your annual gross, before taxes, cost of living or anything else. That $500k mortgage is likely at a 4% or above given the gap between equity and mortgage for most so w escrows you’re talking $40-$50k/yr depending on taxes and insurance.

I don’t know, $41k a year doesn’t look generous or cheap. Looks like something my mother would’ve bought that was semi useless and then made the case for its value because it’s listed price was so much higher.

BTW, I’m general id expect a $250k I come and $200k retirement account w a $500k mortgage to be a little less liquid. Typically that profile would be more like 4-6 mo of carry. Maybe cut that by 1/3-1/2 and see if that makes a difference.

Problem with these calculators is they’re evaluating home equity. Colleges shouldn’t be doing that in calculating what a family can afford. It’s gross and they all do it.

Who cares. You guys must be extremely bored to continue with this financial thread. 63 kids! Who cares how they stay. We get it, roster is too big.

and yet here you are. commenting on it.

[WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus]

They just literally added all 18 incoming freshmen to the roster - they are all there - who's in charge of the media these days - Speedy Gonzalez?

SO getting all these new toys is pretty exciting but when are the parents going to clean up the family room? - let's talk about some unpleasant realities:
I count 43 names on the "2021" roster - let's say Gainey is really gone - so 42 right now
18 incoming freshmen
3 transfers (so far) Maybe
Let's get the abacus out - carry the one- cue Jeopardy music - I get 63 - What the heck? That's 10 more than an active NFL roster! That's FORTY more than the magic number of 23 (for anybody that's missed it that's the average number of children that get to play in a competitive game)

So when does Milliman get cut from about 8 families" christmas card lists? He cannot revoke any of the incoming freshmen's NLIs correct? If any one of them had Mom and Dad paying the full boat (good for them) and didn't have to sign an NLI he could give them bad news I assume? All he can do is make it extremely clear that if he is the coach in 2022 that particular freshman should not count on that athletic money reappearing or having a jersey is that right?
So that leaves the 42 - has Hopkins had to already re-up scholarship offers? I know they are annual agreements but when do they have to occur? Is he actually stuck in someways?

Bill Parcells had a famous line about if he had to cook the meal he should be allowed to buy the groceries - that line applies to every college coach - but I think the Hopkins coach has an additional duty because the prior coach stuck him with 36 recruits in 2 consecutive classes - he has to clean out the fridge.

Simple solution: run two teams, A and B. Practice hard against each other. Occasionally do full substitutions in real games - I’m talking a ten player swap out. Ten guys used to practicing together. Give Team A a rest and draw up plays. Meanwhile, Team B is getting some playing time and happy, and you might discover someone who needs to move up to the A Team.

Dean Smith would be proud!

This isn’t as crazy as it seems now that there’s a shot clock.

Innovate.

[Farfromgeneva]

That’s buying a new car more or less for four straight years and with the sibling discount, so even at $250k/annum you’re kicking in $82k/yr to the school, or 1/3 of your annual gross, before taxes, cost of living or anything else. That $500k mortgage is likely at a 4% or above given the gap between equity and mortgage for most so w escrows you’re talking $40-$50k/yr depending on taxes and insurance.

I don’t know, $41k a year doesn’t look generous or cheap. Looks like something my mother would’ve bought that was semi useless and then made the case for its value because it’s listed price was so much higher.

BTW, I’m general id expect a $250k I come and $200k retirement account w a $500k mortgage to be a little less liquid. Typically that profile would be more like 4-6 mo of carry. Maybe cut that by 1/3-1/2 and see if that makes a difference.

Problem with these calculators is they’re evaluating home equity. Colleges shouldn’t be doing that in calculating what a family can afford. It’s gross and they all do it.

Who cares. You guys must be extremely bored to continue with this financial thread. 63 kids! Who cares how they stay. We get it, roster is too big.

and yet here you are. commenting on it.

No matter who’s the AD, President or coach the one consistent thing is that a number of Hop sycophants will always insist that they only they control the dialogue, not only on their little blog thread,but in the lacrosse universe that naturally can only have an epicenter somewhere near Baltimore forever and it must grow so they are recognized like Alabama football...

[Farfromgeneva]

And since you’re so concerned with my schedule I will share that I am on the SC/NC border, Ceasars Heads Mtn, for the weekend, was jogging, had to take a dump so detoured to the clubhouse to drop the kids off the the pool that’s still open and hopped on here while making the exchange.

[WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus]

You know, a lot of Hopkins fans simply enjoy the sport.

The sycophants are other folks, fans of other schools, who come here to trash Hopkins. I think they are worried that Hopkins is going to be a lot better. That can cause neuroses.

But, psychoanalyzing folks isn’t accurate nor nice.

Go suck eggs.

[DocBarrister]

That’s buying a new car more or less for four straight years and with the sibling discount, so even at $250k/annum you’re kicking in $82k/yr to the school, or 1/3 of your annual gross, before taxes, cost of living or anything else. That $500k mortgage is likely at a 4% or above given the gap between equity and mortgage for most so w escrows you’re talking $40-$50k/yr depending on taxes and insurance.

I don’t know, $41k a year doesn’t look generous or cheap. Looks like something my mother would’ve bought that was semi useless and then made the case for its value because it’s listed price was so much higher.

BTW, I’m general id expect a $250k I come and $200k retirement account w a $500k mortgage to be a little less liquid. Typically that profile would be more like 4-6 mo of carry. Maybe cut that by 1/3-1/2 and see if that makes a difference.

Problem with these calculators is they’re evaluating home equity. Colleges shouldn’t be doing that in calculating what a family can afford. It’s gross and they all do it.

Who cares. You guys must be extremely bored to continue with this financial thread. 63 kids! Who cares how they stay. We get it, roster is too big.

and yet here you are. commenting on it.

No matter who’s the AD, President or coach the one consistent thing is that a number of Hop sycophants will always insist that they only they control the dialogue, not only on their little blog thread,but in the lacrosse universe that naturally can only have an epicenter somewhere near Baltimore forever and it must grow so they are recognized like Alabama football...

And ... you’re suggestin’ that is a bad thing? Just tryin’ to clarify here.

DocBarrister

[jhu06]

I don't care who posts here.
the cost of the school is ridiculous. stuff like this and the new rec center are a total waste and for those who posted here that the school was in a hiring freeze and yet still addding for the lax program, they apparently are making other exemptions.
https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/05/19/shanon-s ... e-provost/
https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/05/19/katrina- ... y-officer/

that's 7 figures of budget when you include other staff and initiatives-a few hundred bucks a student so that the school can look good for the baltimore city council/sun. terrible.

the old guard didn't announce transfers/post freshmen until fall practices. perhaps their thinking is if we put the recruits on the roster it formalizes it a bit more and its less likely they leave. have to think we're still 7-10 cuts away and 4-5 transfers in from what we'll look like.

[Mightyjoe]

And since you’re so concerned with my schedule I will share that I am on the SC/NC border, Ceasars Heads Mtn, for the weekend, was jogging, had to take a dump so detoured to the clubhouse to drop the kids off the the pool that’s still open and hopped on here while making the exchange.

More useless dialogue...you’re down south, you’re jogging, in the clubhouse, kids at the pool......sounds great. How was your dump? Bla,bla, bla

[HopFan16]

stuff like this and the new rec center are a total waste and for those who posted here that the school was in a hiring freeze and yet still addding for the lax program, they apparently are making other exemptions.
https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/05/19/shanon-s ... e-provost/
https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/05/19/katrina- ... y-officer/

that's 7 figures of budget when you include other staff and initiatives-a few hundred bucks a student so that the school can look good for the baltimore city council/sun. terrible.

You might be better off rooting for Amherst. Well I guess not now that people have been held accountable but prior to the debacle it sounds like it might have fit your style

Here's an article from the Sun on Grimes from Feb but still an interesting read now: https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/hig ... story.html

[MDlaxfan76]

stuff like this and the new rec center are a total waste and for those who posted here that the school was in a hiring freeze and yet still addding for the lax program, they apparently are making other exemptions.
https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/05/19/shanon-s ... e-provost/
https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/05/19/katrina- ... y-officer/

that's 7 figures of budget when you include other staff and initiatives-a few hundred bucks a student so that the school can look good for the baltimore city council/sun. terrible.

You might be better off rooting for Amherst. Well I guess not now that people have been held accountable but prior to the debacle it sounds like it might have fit your style

Here's an article from the Sun on Grimes from Feb but still an interesting read now: https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/hig ... story.html

Grimes is the real deal. Like anyone else, injuries can foul up college career, but absent that, he has a bright path ahead at Homewood.

I was wondering what Joe's issue is with folks actually participating in casual conversation on a lacrosse thread, mostly pretty non controversial, so I looked back across some past posts...quite the axe grinding.

06 appears to have a different axe.

Each to their own.

My general thought is that there's too little, not too much, participation in the Fan Lax forum threads, so I'd lean to not critiquing the topic that others happen to find interesting at any given moment. If someone has another topic they'd like to discuss, bring it up!

My own "Memorial Day Weekend" comment would be that I wouldn't be that surprised to see Hopkins back in the hunt soon for playing on this weekend in future years. Right now, though, I'm just hoping that in '21 we will have a season at all!

[nrthcrosslax]

I was wondering what Joe's issue is with folks actually participating in casual conversation on a lacrosse thread, mostly pretty non controversial, so I looked back across some past posts...quite the axe grinding.

Clearly still salty about Mabbett’s playing time

[MDlaxfan76]

They just literally added all 18 incoming freshmen to the roster - they are all there - who's in charge of the media these days - Speedy Gonzalez?

SO getting all these new toys is pretty exciting but when are the parents going to clean up the family room? - let's talk about some unpleasant realities:
I count 43 names on the "2021" roster - let's say Gainey is really gone - so 42 right now
18 incoming freshmen
3 transfers (so far) Maybe
Let's get the abacus out - carry the one- cue Jeopardy music - I get 63 - What the heck? That's 10 more than an active NFL roster! That's FORTY more than the magic number of 23 (for anybody that's missed it that's the average number of children that get to play in a competitive game)

So when does Milliman get cut from about 8 families" christmas card lists? He cannot revoke any of the incoming freshmen's NLIs correct? If any one of them had Mom and Dad paying the full boat (good for them) and didn't have to sign an NLI he could give them bad news I assume? All he can do is make it extremely clear that if he is the coach in 2022 that particular freshman should not count on that athletic money reappearing or having a jersey is that right?
So that leaves the 42 - has Hopkins had to already re-up scholarship offers? I know they are annual agreements but when do they have to occur? Is he actually stuck in someways?

Bill Parcells had a famous line about if he had to cook the meal he should be allowed to buy the groceries - that line applies to every college coach - but I think the Hopkins coach has an additional duty because the prior coach stuck him with 36 recruits in 2 consecutive classes - he has to clean out the fridge.

Simple solution: run two teams, A and B. Practice hard against each other. Occasionally do full substitutions in real games - I’m talking a ten player swap out. Ten guys used to practicing together. Give Team A a rest and draw up plays. Meanwhile, Team B is getting some playing time and happy, and you might discover someone who needs to move up to the A Team.

Dean Smith would be proud!

This isn’t as crazy as it seems now that there’s a shot clock.

Innovate.

Wombat,
You are often unfettered (which is different from unmoored) by accepted practice and assumed practicalities.

Interesting suggestion. I doubt we will see a wholesale 10 man swap by any program anytime soon, but it's a fun idea. I do think A vs B squad hard scrimmages, preferably with little or no coaching interruption, are an excellent way to let guys fully compete.

One thing that a larger roster does afford is to run more guys and to run at a harder pace. The entire philosophy can have a higher motor. In addition to putting a ton of pressure on opponents to keep up, it's also very entertaining for the fans.

That said, for a lot of practical reasons, seems to me they'll cut a bunch of guys, all else being equal giving preference to the younger cohorts. But a freshmen isn't 'safe' either.

Guys will need to earn a roster spot and obviously there will be a fresh competition for roles and game time.

Tiffany took a ton of heat for doing so when he first arrived at UVA and IMO that decision paid off. They adopted a higher paced philosophy and a culture where an error of co-mission (not omission) didn't mean not seeing the field again. Both in games and in practice. At a minimum it was fun for the fans, also a lot of fun for the players. Of course, not all players are well suited to that pace and the athletic commitment required, but those that buy in have a good time.

[jhu06]

I was wondering what Joe's issue is with folks actually participating in casual conversation on a lacrosse thread, mostly pretty non controversial, so I looked back across some past posts...quite the axe grinding.

Clearly still salty about Mabbett’s playing time

mabett will be the 2021 john kaestner. Late blooming afterthought who finds the net.

[flalax22]

Can we let Grimes find his way before we anoint him the real deal? He certainly looks the part playing HS but this isn’t the MIAA. For those that were paying attention they will know Epstein struggled the entire fall his first year and while he found his way it certainly is a big jump.