2020 Elections - Trump FIRED

[get it to x]

Yes, that's the back-up plan to Nigel's description of the Trump playbook and calorie's description of the 'whole enchilada' strategy.

No COVID wave, Trump elected.

but..If there's a COVID wave in the fall, election gets postponed.

They cannot postpone the election without Congressional legislation which Is unlikely under any scenario. A COVID wave will likely result in large increases in mail balloting which will need to be dealt with on a state by state basis. IMHO there is no chance that there will not be an election in November.

DOPUS is in trouble regardless of COVID wave or not unless there is a complete economic turnaround which also is not likely.

2020 election could be a repeat of 2008 with GOP losing Senate and WH as well as failing to recapture the House.

So last night there were two special election in California and Wisconsin. Dems yesterday were all bleating on about how a victory in both would portend a 'Democratic blue wave in November'. In the California district #25, the Republican was seen as a clear underdog. Trump came out strong for both candidates. Dems were giddy.

Oooops. Republicans won both elections (though you still can't count out Democratic voting fraud in California, so we may need to wait a week to see how many ballots the Democratic state apparatus could mail before midnight last night; generally Democratic voting fraud is only used when the election is very tight, and this one so far is not tight enough for the fraud to count much, still I never count Dems out)!! This is the first Democratic seat to switch to Republican in California since 1998. Stories on MSM news this morning: zero.

Moral of the day: don't go full communist. Americans are rejecting the Democratic desire to seize up the economy.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump- ... -wisconsin

PB, actually both were expected to go R, but anything close would be an issue.

Uhhhh, "Toss up" according to 538:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/th ... ve-a-shot/

Better yet, the headlines how Two Dem Victories would portend for a blue wave this Fall:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/tw ... e-in-2020/



The people will reject the Democratic effort to stall the economy.

Sorry, that makes clear that the Wisconsin seat was expected R, but if close it could be a positive signal in the fall. The CA seat was taken for the first time by a Dem, Katie Hill, who resigned in scandal. Hill had won in the '18 blue wave, with some bona fides and appeal that crossed over. But the scandal scuttled that. The Dem candidate is indeed unpopular in that normally red district.

So, no, expectations were at best toss up in CA (though it was clear down the stretch that the GOP would retake it) and GOP win in Wisconsin, but possibility of making it competitive.

Will California Dems hold off on ballot harvesting here to save it for the general election? This process fails the main test for fair elections, that being "chain of custody". How many votes of one candidate or the other could wind up in a dumpster because the canvasser had an agenda? I say go ahead with it, but make the penalty severe, like a 5 year minimum sentence. After all, what sort of sentences were Trump team members exposed to for "interfering in an election"?

[MDlaxfan76]

Yes, that's the back-up plan to Nigel's description of the Trump playbook and calorie's description of the 'whole enchilada' strategy.

No COVID wave, Trump elected.

but..If there's a COVID wave in the fall, election gets postponed.

They cannot postpone the election without Congressional legislation which Is unlikely under any scenario. A COVID wave will likely result in large increases in mail balloting which will need to be dealt with on a state by state basis. IMHO there is no chance that there will not be an election in November.

DOPUS is in trouble regardless of COVID wave or not unless there is a complete economic turnaround which also is not likely.

2020 election could be a repeat of 2008 with GOP losing Senate and WH as well as failing to recapture the House.

So last night there were two special election in California and Wisconsin. Dems yesterday were all bleating on about how a victory in both would portend a 'Democratic blue wave in November'. In the California district #25, the Republican was seen as a clear underdog. Trump came out strong for both candidates. Dems were giddy.

Oooops. Republicans won both elections (though you still can't count out Democratic voting fraud in California, so we may need to wait a week to see how many ballots the Democratic state apparatus could mail before midnight last night; generally Democratic voting fraud is only used when the election is very tight, and this one so far is not tight enough for the fraud to count much, still I never count Dems out)!! This is the first Democratic seat to switch to Republican in California since 1998. Stories on MSM news this morning: zero.

Moral of the day: don't go full communist. Americans are rejecting the Democratic desire to seize up the economy.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump- ... -wisconsin

PB, actually both were expected to go R, but anything close would be an issue.

Uhhhh, "Toss up" according to 538:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/th ... ve-a-shot/

Better yet, the headlines how Two Dem Victories would portend for a blue wave this Fall:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/tw ... e-in-2020/



The people will reject the Democratic effort to stall the economy.

Sorry, that makes clear that the Wisconsin seat was expected R, but if close it could be a positive signal in the fall. The CA seat was taken for the first time by a Dem, Katie Hill, who resigned in scandal. Hill had won in the '18 blue wave, with some bona fides and appeal that crossed over. But the scandal scuttled that. The Dem candidate is indeed unpopular in that normally red district.

So, no, expectations were at best toss up in CA (though it was clear down the stretch that the GOP would retake it) and GOP win in Wisconsin, but possibility of making it competitive.

Will California Dems hold off on ballot harvesting here to save it for the general election? This process fails the main test for fair elections, that being "chain of custody". How many votes of one candidate or the other could wind up in a dumpster because the canvasser had an agenda? I say go ahead with it, but make the penalty severe, like a 5 year minimum sentence. After all, what sort of sentences were Trump team members exposed to for "interfering in an election"?

If there's any actual criminality, folks should go to jail.
But 'having an agenda' as a canvasser ain't remotely criminal.

Now, if votes are actually phony, nail any and all.
Same for trashing an opponent's votes.

[Peter Brown]

Will California Dems hold off on ballot harvesting here to save it for the general election? This process fails the main test for fair elections, that being "chain of custody". How many votes of one candidate or the other could wind up in a dumpster because the canvasser had an agenda? I say go ahead with it, but make the penalty severe, like a 5 year minimum sentence. After all, what sort of sentences were Trump team members exposed to for "interfering in an election"?

+1

The issue with ballot harvesting and voter fraud is always amusing mostly because Dems like to say it doesn't exit.

They do it when the election is close. Full stop. Fraud can take the form of what Newsom did yesterday, by putting one walk-up machine in a heavy Democratic area, no identification necessary. And the Dems will get bolder over time as the divide in America grows wider.

Why do you think Dems fight voter ID so much? If you don't know the answer, I can't help you.

[Kismet]

Will California Dems hold off on ballot harvesting here to save it for the general election? This process fails the main test for fair elections, that being "chain of custody". How many votes of one candidate or the other could wind up in a dumpster because the canvasser had an agenda? I say go ahead with it, but make the penalty severe, like a 5 year minimum sentence. After all, what sort of sentences were Trump team members exposed to for "interfering in an election"?

As far as I can tell, the only people charged and convicted of mail absentee ballot fraud recently were DOPUS Republicans in North Carolina which resulted in a new election after the first one was tossed out.

Here's an Op-Ed from the candidate who lost an election where GOP operatives conducted fraud in absentee mail ballots.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/24/opin ... icans.html

How come you never mention this where there is actual evidence of fraud as opposed to just claiming fraud in CA?

DOPUS rage tweets about voter fraud in mail ballots while his campaign actively promotes it - so which is it, exactly?

https://apnews.com/6416231367cfa0bd213796149f3cee26


and let's not forget that this administration just purged Deputy Postmaster General Ronald Stroman who was vital to USPS’s vote by mail efforts.

[cradleandshoot]

Yes, that's the back-up plan to Nigel's description of the Trump playbook and calorie's description of the 'whole enchilada' strategy.

No COVID wave, Trump elected.

but..If there's a COVID wave in the fall, election gets postponed.

They cannot postpone the election without Congressional legislation which Is unlikely under any scenario. A COVID wave will likely result in large increases in mail balloting which will need to be dealt with on a state by state basis. IMHO there is no chance that there will not be an election in November.

DOPUS is in trouble regardless of COVID wave or not unless there is a complete economic turnaround which also is not likely.

2020 election could be a repeat of 2008 with GOP losing Senate and WH as well as failing to recapture the House.

So last night there were two special election in California and Wisconsin. Dems yesterday were all bleating on about how a victory in both would portend a 'Democratic blue wave in November'. In the California district #25, the Republican was seen as a clear underdog. Trump came out strong for both candidates. Dems were giddy.

Oooops. Republicans won both elections (though you still can't count out Democratic voting fraud in California, so we may need to wait a week to see how many ballots the Democratic state apparatus could mail before midnight last night; generally Democratic voting fraud is only used when the election is very tight, and this one so far is not tight enough for the fraud to count much, still I never count Dems out)!! This is the first Democratic seat to switch to Republican in California since 1998. Stories on MSM news this morning: zero.

Moral of the day: don't go full communist. Americans are rejecting the Democratic desire to seize up the economy.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump- ... -wisconsin

PB, actually both were expected to go R, but anything close would be an issue.

Uhhhh, "Toss up" according to 538:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/th ... ve-a-shot/

Better yet, the headlines how Two Dem Victories would portend for a blue wave this Fall:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/tw ... e-in-2020/



The people will reject the Democratic effort to stall the economy.

Sorry, that makes clear that the Wisconsin seat was expected R, but if close it could be a positive signal in the fall. The CA seat was taken for the first time by a Dem, Katie Hill, who resigned in scandal. Hill had won in the '18 blue wave, with some bona fides and appeal that crossed over. But the scandal scuttled that. The Dem candidate is indeed unpopular in that normally red district.

So, no, expectations were at best toss up in CA (though it was clear down the stretch that the GOP would retake it) and GOP win in Wisconsin, but possibility of making it competitive.

Will California Dems hold off on ballot harvesting here to save it for the general election? This process fails the main test for fair elections, that being "chain of custody". How many votes of one candidate or the other could wind up in a dumpster because the canvasser had an agenda? I say go ahead with it, but make the penalty severe, like a 5 year minimum sentence. After all, what sort of sentences were Trump team members exposed to for "interfering in an election"?

If there's any actual criminality, folks should go to jail.
But 'having an agenda' as a canvasser ain't remotely criminal.

Now, if votes are actually phony, nail any and all.
Same for trashing an opponent's votes.

Hold the ponies there MD. Our FLP friends have told us repeatedly over and over and over and over ad nauseum that there is no such thing as voter fraud. How do you prove it? Ask people to admit they voted more than once? Sure, they will all be happy to confess to that felony.

[6ftstick]

Yes, that's the back-up plan to Nigel's description of the Trump playbook and calorie's description of the 'whole enchilada' strategy.

No COVID wave, Trump elected.

but..If there's a COVID wave in the fall, election gets postponed.

They cannot postpone the election without Congressional legislation which Is unlikely under any scenario. A COVID wave will likely result in large increases in mail balloting which will need to be dealt with on a state by state basis. IMHO there is no chance that there will not be an election in November.

DOPUS is in trouble regardless of COVID wave or not unless there is a complete economic turnaround which also is not likely.

2020 election could be a repeat of 2008 with GOP losing Senate and WH as well as failing to recapture the House.

So last night there were two special election in California and Wisconsin. Dems yesterday were all bleating on about how a victory in both would portend a 'Democratic blue wave in November'. In the California district #25, the Republican was seen as a clear underdog. Trump came out strong for both candidates. Dems were giddy.

Oooops. Republicans won both elections (though you still can't count out Democratic voting fraud in California, so we may need to wait a week to see how many ballots the Democratic state apparatus could mail before midnight last night; generally Democratic voting fraud is only used when the election is very tight, and this one so far is not tight enough for the fraud to count much, still I never count Dems out)!! This is the first Democratic seat to switch to Republican in California since 1998. Stories on MSM news this morning: zero.

Moral of the day: don't go full communist. Americans are rejecting the Democratic desire to seize up the economy.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump- ... -wisconsin

PB, actually both were expected to go R, but anything close would be an issue.

Uhhhh, "Toss up" according to 538:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/th ... ve-a-shot/

Better yet, the headlines how Two Dem Victories would portend for a blue wave this Fall:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/tw ... e-in-2020/



The people will reject the Democratic effort to stall the economy.

Sorry, that makes clear that the Wisconsin seat was expected R, but if close it could be a positive signal in the fall. The CA seat was taken for the first time by a Dem, Katie Hill, who resigned in scandal. Hill had won in the '18 blue wave, with some bona fides and appeal that crossed over. But the scandal scuttled that. The Dem candidate is indeed unpopular in that normally red district.

So, no, expectations were at best toss up in CA (though it was clear down the stretch that the GOP would retake it) and GOP win in Wisconsin, but possibility of making it competitive.

Will California Dems hold off on ballot harvesting here to save it for the general election? This process fails the main test for fair elections, that being "chain of custody". How many votes of one candidate or the other could wind up in a dumpster because the canvasser had an agenda? I say go ahead with it, but make the penalty severe, like a 5 year minimum sentence. After all, what sort of sentences were Trump team members exposed to for "interfering in an election"?

If there's any actual criminality, folks should go to jail.
But 'having an agenda' as a canvasser ain't remotely criminal.

Now, if votes are actually phony, nail any and all.
Same for trashing an opponent's votes.

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[Peter Brown]

Will California Dems hold off on ballot harvesting here to save it for the general election? This process fails the main test for fair elections, that being "chain of custody". How many votes of one candidate or the other could wind up in a dumpster because the canvasser had an agenda? I say go ahead with it, but make the penalty severe, like a 5 year minimum sentence. After all, what sort of sentences were Trump team members exposed to for "interfering in an election"?

As far as I can tell, the only people charged and convicted of mail absentee ballot fraud recently were DOPUS Republicans in North Carolina which resulted in a new election after the first one was tossed out.

Here's an Op-Ed from the candidate who lost an election where GOP operatives conducted fraud in absentee mail ballots.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/24/opin ... icans.html

How come you never mention this where there is actual evidence of fraud as opposed to just claiming fraud in CA?

Democratic voters and even Democratic leaders have stated that "Joe Biden could rape me and I'd still vote for him on Election Day". The TDS is so strong in this country, you think a wrist slap for voter fraud will prevent Dems from going full-Madoff this November?

[MDlaxfan76]

Yes, that's the back-up plan to Nigel's description of the Trump playbook and calorie's description of the 'whole enchilada' strategy.

No COVID wave, Trump elected.

but..If there's a COVID wave in the fall, election gets postponed.

They cannot postpone the election without Congressional legislation which Is unlikely under any scenario. A COVID wave will likely result in large increases in mail balloting which will need to be dealt with on a state by state basis. IMHO there is no chance that there will not be an election in November.

DOPUS is in trouble regardless of COVID wave or not unless there is a complete economic turnaround which also is not likely.

2020 election could be a repeat of 2008 with GOP losing Senate and WH as well as failing to recapture the House.

So last night there were two special election in California and Wisconsin. Dems yesterday were all bleating on about how a victory in both would portend a 'Democratic blue wave in November'. In the California district #25, the Republican was seen as a clear underdog. Trump came out strong for both candidates. Dems were giddy.

Oooops. Republicans won both elections (though you still can't count out Democratic voting fraud in California, so we may need to wait a week to see how many ballots the Democratic state apparatus could mail before midnight last night; generally Democratic voting fraud is only used when the election is very tight, and this one so far is not tight enough for the fraud to count much, still I never count Dems out)!! This is the first Democratic seat to switch to Republican in California since 1998. Stories on MSM news this morning: zero.

Moral of the day: don't go full communist. Americans are rejecting the Democratic desire to seize up the economy.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump- ... -wisconsin

PB, actually both were expected to go R, but anything close would be an issue.

Uhhhh, "Toss up" according to 538:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/th ... ve-a-shot/

Better yet, the headlines how Two Dem Victories would portend for a blue wave this Fall:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/tw ... e-in-2020/



The people will reject the Democratic effort to stall the economy.

Sorry, that makes clear that the Wisconsin seat was expected R, but if close it could be a positive signal in the fall. The CA seat was taken for the first time by a Dem, Katie Hill, who resigned in scandal. Hill had won in the '18 blue wave, with some bona fides and appeal that crossed over. But the scandal scuttled that. The Dem candidate is indeed unpopular in that normally red district.

So, no, expectations were at best toss up in CA (though it was clear down the stretch that the GOP would retake it) and GOP win in Wisconsin, but possibility of making it competitive.

Will California Dems hold off on ballot harvesting here to save it for the general election? This process fails the main test for fair elections, that being "chain of custody". How many votes of one candidate or the other could wind up in a dumpster because the canvasser had an agenda? I say go ahead with it, but make the penalty severe, like a 5 year minimum sentence. After all, what sort of sentences were Trump team members exposed to for "interfering in an election"?

If there's any actual criminality, folks should go to jail.
But 'having an agenda' as a canvasser ain't remotely criminal.

Now, if votes are actually phony, nail any and all.
Same for trashing an opponent's votes.

Hold the ponies there MD. Our FLP friends have told us repeatedly over and over and over and over ad nauseum that there is no such thing as voter fraud. How do you prove it? Ask people to admit they voted more than once? Sure, they will all be happy to confess to that felony.

it's not non existent...see Kismet's post and links.

It's just very rare.

In order to make an actual impact, the effort needs to be extensive...and that's very hard to have not get seen.

Nail anyone who makes such an effort.

You do understand that voters voting multiple times would get caught when the mail in ballots are registered as received from a particular registered voter?

So, bad idea!

[Nigel]

Yes, that's the back-up plan to Nigel's description of the Trump playbook and calorie's description of the 'whole enchilada' strategy.

No COVID wave, Trump elected.

but..If there's a COVID wave in the fall, election gets postponed.

Or Team Trump could just be really clever and have an FBI-like "insurance policy" as a last resort. Maybe call it Crossfire Whatchamacallit so nobody suspects anything.

[cradleandshoot]

Yes, that's the back-up plan to Nigel's description of the Trump playbook and calorie's description of the 'whole enchilada' strategy.

No COVID wave, Trump elected.

but..If there's a COVID wave in the fall, election gets postponed.

They cannot postpone the election without Congressional legislation which Is unlikely under any scenario. A COVID wave will likely result in large increases in mail balloting which will need to be dealt with on a state by state basis. IMHO there is no chance that there will not be an election in November.

DOPUS is in trouble regardless of COVID wave or not unless there is a complete economic turnaround which also is not likely.

2020 election could be a repeat of 2008 with GOP losing Senate and WH as well as failing to recapture the House.

So last night there were two special election in California and Wisconsin. Dems yesterday were all bleating on about how a victory in both would portend a 'Democratic blue wave in November'. In the California district #25, the Republican was seen as a clear underdog. Trump came out strong for both candidates. Dems were giddy.

Oooops. Republicans won both elections (though you still can't count out Democratic voting fraud in California, so we may need to wait a week to see how many ballots the Democratic state apparatus could mail before midnight last night; generally Democratic voting fraud is only used when the election is very tight, and this one so far is not tight enough for the fraud to count much, still I never count Dems out)!! This is the first Democratic seat to switch to Republican in California since 1998. Stories on MSM news this morning: zero.

Moral of the day: don't go full communist. Americans are rejecting the Democratic desire to seize up the economy.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump- ... -wisconsin

PB, actually both were expected to go R, but anything close would be an issue.

Uhhhh, "Toss up" according to 538:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/th ... ve-a-shot/

Better yet, the headlines how Two Dem Victories would portend for a blue wave this Fall:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/tw ... e-in-2020/



The people will reject the Democratic effort to stall the economy.

Sorry, that makes clear that the Wisconsin seat was expected R, but if close it could be a positive signal in the fall. The CA seat was taken for the first time by a Dem, Katie Hill, who resigned in scandal. Hill had won in the '18 blue wave, with some bona fides and appeal that crossed over. But the scandal scuttled that. The Dem candidate is indeed unpopular in that normally red district.

So, no, expectations were at best toss up in CA (though it was clear down the stretch that the GOP would retake it) and GOP win in Wisconsin, but possibility of making it competitive.

Will California Dems hold off on ballot harvesting here to save it for the general election? This process fails the main test for fair elections, that being "chain of custody". How many votes of one candidate or the other could wind up in a dumpster because the canvasser had an agenda? I say go ahead with it, but make the penalty severe, like a 5 year minimum sentence. After all, what sort of sentences were Trump team members exposed to for "interfering in an election"?

If there's any actual criminality, folks should go to jail.
But 'having an agenda' as a canvasser ain't remotely criminal.

Now, if votes are actually phony, nail any and all.
Same for trashing an opponent's votes.

Hold the ponies there MD. Our FLP friends have told us repeatedly over and over and over and over ad nauseum that there is no such thing as voter fraud. How do you prove it? Ask people to admit they voted more than once? Sure, they will all be happy to confess to that felony.

it's not non existent...see Kismet's post and links.

It's just very rare.

In order to make an actual impact, the effort needs to be extensive...and that's very hard to have not get seen.

Nail anyone who makes such an effort.

You do understand that voters voting multiple times would get caught when the mail in ballots are registered as received from a particular registered voter?

So, bad idea!

"You do understand that voters voting multiple times would get caught when the mail in ballots are registered as received from a particular registered voter?"

This must be the cynical person in me coming out. We can't even verify the identity of WHO is voting but the powers that be can figure out if multiple ballots were placed by people they can't even verify voted in the first place... Got it Who they gonna call? Ghost Busters.

[MDlaxfan76]

Yes, that's the back-up plan to Nigel's description of the Trump playbook and calorie's description of the 'whole enchilada' strategy.

No COVID wave, Trump elected.

but..If there's a COVID wave in the fall, election gets postponed.

Or Team Trump could just be really clever and have an FBI-like "insurance policy" as a last resort. Maybe call it Crossfire Whatchamacallit so nobody suspects anything.

I was thinking that was clever, Nigel, and was going to give you a 'chuckle' but then I thought, wait, the whole logic of the supposed, tin-foil plot being referenced was under the assumption that the preferred candidate would lose and the other side be elevated to the White House.

So, this would be a plot to hurt the new President by the outgoing, let's call them the 'Red State' team.
Trump loses, there's a poison pill for Biden?
Fine with me...Trump loses, gets indicted, goes to jail...so, what's the price: Biden is hamstrung?
That's the price? Good trade. I'll take that bid all day and into Sunday.

[MDlaxfan76]

Yes, that's the back-up plan to Nigel's description of the Trump playbook and calorie's description of the 'whole enchilada' strategy.

No COVID wave, Trump elected.

but..If there's a COVID wave in the fall, election gets postponed.

They cannot postpone the election without Congressional legislation which Is unlikely under any scenario. A COVID wave will likely result in large increases in mail balloting which will need to be dealt with on a state by state basis. IMHO there is no chance that there will not be an election in November.

DOPUS is in trouble regardless of COVID wave or not unless there is a complete economic turnaround which also is not likely.

2020 election could be a repeat of 2008 with GOP losing Senate and WH as well as failing to recapture the House.

So last night there were two special election in California and Wisconsin. Dems yesterday were all bleating on about how a victory in both would portend a 'Democratic blue wave in November'. In the California district #25, the Republican was seen as a clear underdog. Trump came out strong for both candidates. Dems were giddy.

Oooops. Republicans won both elections (though you still can't count out Democratic voting fraud in California, so we may need to wait a week to see how many ballots the Democratic state apparatus could mail before midnight last night; generally Democratic voting fraud is only used when the election is very tight, and this one so far is not tight enough for the fraud to count much, still I never count Dems out)!! This is the first Democratic seat to switch to Republican in California since 1998. Stories on MSM news this morning: zero.

Moral of the day: don't go full communist. Americans are rejecting the Democratic desire to seize up the economy.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump- ... -wisconsin

PB, actually both were expected to go R, but anything close would be an issue.

Uhhhh, "Toss up" according to 538:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/th ... ve-a-shot/

Better yet, the headlines how Two Dem Victories would portend for a blue wave this Fall:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/tw ... e-in-2020/



The people will reject the Democratic effort to stall the economy.

Sorry, that makes clear that the Wisconsin seat was expected R, but if close it could be a positive signal in the fall. The CA seat was taken for the first time by a Dem, Katie Hill, who resigned in scandal. Hill had won in the '18 blue wave, with some bona fides and appeal that crossed over. But the scandal scuttled that. The Dem candidate is indeed unpopular in that normally red district.

So, no, expectations were at best toss up in CA (though it was clear down the stretch that the GOP would retake it) and GOP win in Wisconsin, but possibility of making it competitive.

Will California Dems hold off on ballot harvesting here to save it for the general election? This process fails the main test for fair elections, that being "chain of custody". How many votes of one candidate or the other could wind up in a dumpster because the canvasser had an agenda? I say go ahead with it, but make the penalty severe, like a 5 year minimum sentence. After all, what sort of sentences were Trump team members exposed to for "interfering in an election"?

If there's any actual criminality, folks should go to jail.
But 'having an agenda' as a canvasser ain't remotely criminal.

Now, if votes are actually phony, nail any and all.
Same for trashing an opponent's votes.

Hold the ponies there MD. Our FLP friends have told us repeatedly over and over and over and over ad nauseum that there is no such thing as voter fraud. How do you prove it? Ask people to admit they voted more than once? Sure, they will all be happy to confess to that felony.

it's not non existent...see Kismet's post and links.

It's just very rare.

In order to make an actual impact, the effort needs to be extensive...and that's very hard to have not get seen.

Nail anyone who makes such an effort.

You do understand that voters voting multiple times would get caught when the mail in ballots are registered as received from a particular registered voter?

So, bad idea!

"You do understand that voters voting multiple times would get caught when the mail in ballots are registered as received from a particular registered voter?"

This must be the cynical person in me coming out. We can't even verify the identity of WHO is voting but the powers that be can figure out if multiple ballots were placed by people they can't even verify voted in the first place... Got it Who they gonna call? Ghost Busters.

Your issue is that when a voter is identified as having voted and then another voter ballot comes in with the same name you worry both will be counted?

What happens with military ballots overseas? Heck, any absentee ballots?
You think someone can vote multiple times??

[Nigel]

Yes, that's the back-up plan to Nigel's description of the Trump playbook and calorie's description of the 'whole enchilada' strategy.

No COVID wave, Trump elected.

but..If there's a COVID wave in the fall, election gets postponed.

Or Team Trump could just be really clever and have an FBI-like "insurance policy" as a last resort. Maybe call it Crossfire Whatchamacallit so nobody suspects anything.

I was thinking that was clever, Nigel, and was going to give you a 'chuckle' but then I thought, wait, the whole logic of the supposed, tin-foil plot being referenced was under the assumption that the preferred candidate would lose and the other side be elevated to the White House.

So, this would be a plot to hurt the new President by the outgoing, let's call them the 'Red State' team.
Trump loses, there's a poison pill for Biden?
Fine with me...Trump loses, gets indicted, goes to jail...so, what's the price: Biden is hamstrung?
That's the price? Good trade. I'll take that bid all day and into Sunday.

I viewed Team Trump's insurance policy as benefiting Team Trump's re-election, so go ahead and give me that 'chuckle' now. But I see what you did there; 'supposed, tin-foil plot', good one.

[6ftstick]

whoopsie

Democrat Christy Smith conceded the special election race for California's 25th Congressional District to Republican Mike Garcia on Wednesday, marking the first time Republicans will retake a Democratic-held congressional seat in the state since 1998

[RedFromMI]

whoopsie

Democrat Christy Smith conceded the special election race for California's 25th Congressional District to Republican Mike Garcia on Wednesday, marking the first time Republicans will retake a Democratic-held congressional seat in the state since 1998

And the election in November will be the same two again, and not a special election. This one very well could reverse then.

[MDlaxfan76]

Yes, that's the back-up plan to Nigel's description of the Trump playbook and calorie's description of the 'whole enchilada' strategy.

No COVID wave, Trump elected.

but..If there's a COVID wave in the fall, election gets postponed.

Or Team Trump could just be really clever and have an FBI-like "insurance policy" as a last resort. Maybe call it Crossfire Whatchamacallit so nobody suspects anything.

I was thinking that was clever, Nigel, and was going to give you a 'chuckle' but then I thought, wait, the whole logic of the supposed, tin-foil plot being referenced was under the assumption that the preferred candidate would lose and the other side be elevated to the White House.

So, this would be a plot to hurt the new President by the outgoing, let's call them the 'Red State' team.
Trump loses, there's a poison pill for Biden?
Fine with me...Trump loses, gets indicted, goes to jail...so, what's the price: Biden is hamstrung?
That's the price? Good trade. I'll take that bid all day and into Sunday.

I viewed Team Trump's insurance policy as benefiting Team Trump's re-election, so go ahead and give me that 'chuckle' now. But I see what you did there; 'supposed, tin-foil plot', good one.

I must not be quick enough on the uptake, perhaps instead of the supposed tin-foil plot concept you mean an 'October Surprise'?

Some sort of last weeks ambush or major distraction...

Absolutely correct, it will be no 'surprise' if Trump does two things in October...!) drops some juicy, nasty something about Biden or his family and 2) begins an actual 'wag the dog' situation with China or Iran. I'm betting China.

With the wave of COVID taking lives, Trump's going to need to point at an Enemy...they're laying that groundwork hard now.

[njbill]

Don’t like to see the D lose, but this seat had been R from 1993 to 2019. Don’t know California politics well enough to know if the flip in the 2018 midterms was an anomaly or what. And, as noted, there will be a do-over in less than six months.

[ggait]

whoopsie

Democrat Christy Smith conceded the special election race for California's 25th Congressional District to Republican Mike Garcia on Wednesday, marking the first time Republicans will retake a Democratic-held congressional seat in the state since 1998

The math is pretty simple.

50/50 district. 46% R turnout; 32% D turnout. R candidate wins by 12% -- duh. Low turnout resembling 2014 mid-terms..

TL/DR: If you stay home, you lose.

Dems came out in 2018 and won. Didn't come out in 2020 special. Like Obama said -- "don't boo; vote!"

Will Dems turnout in 2020 general? TBD. What do I know -- but I think Trump is gonna get Dems off the couch in November.

[RedFromMI]

Don’t like to see the D lose, but this seat had been R from 1993 to 2019. Don’t know California politics well enough to know if the flip in the 2018 midterms was an anomaly or what. And, as noted, there will be a do-over in less than six months.

A district that has turned D, but not big-time. Garcia ran a good campaign, and got out his votes. Christy Smith did not do as well - with one well-publicized gaffe that she did not correct for a while regarding Garcia's military service. As I said above, different electoral mix in November will make this one likely quite close then.

[ggait]

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Only stupid states make you wait in line to vote.

Smart states of all colors (red Utah, purple Colorado, blue Washington) do all their voting by mail. Works great. Everyone loves it. Even Republicans. No fraud. Saves a lot of money too.

Those of us in the smart states shake our heads at how dumb the rest of you all are when it comes to voting.

Why make someone wait in line for no good reason?