2020 Elections - Trump FIRED

[MDlaxfan76]

Yes, very much a veteran of tough politics.
He knows the insides of the GOP machine.
Which is why his comments about Florida's machine carry weight.

I didn't see he's a good guy, much less a nice guy.

Do I think he's right about Trump?
Yes.

I notice you didn't compare Rick's honesty to Trump or his sycophants...understandable, it's not a close call.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Looking forward to the election to determine if “I don’t care if you die because you are old” resonates with Trump’s voting block.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2 ... heres-why/

“You had a good life...we are culling the herd”...

[Peter Brown]

Looking forward to the election to determine if “I don’t care if you die because you are old” resonates with Trump’s voting block.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2 ... heres-why/

“You had a good life...we are culling the herd”...

You might want to tune in to the one forecaster who got 2016 correct. Helmet Norpoth. He disagrees with Brookings. By a lot.

http://primarymodel.com/2020

[njbill]

This prediction was made when, about three months ago? Hmm. I guess there haven’t been any significant, intervening events since then so I’m sure this elderly fellow (his predictions go back to 1912) is still right.

[RedFromMI]

This prediction was made when, about three months ago? Hmm. I guess there haven’t been any significant, intervening events since then so I’m sure this elderly fellow (his predictions go back to 1912) is still right.

The guy’s entire methodology is related to primary vote results. Get more votes in the primaries and it’s more likely you will win. Nothing more sophisticated.

Not sure he can even apply his methodology in a year where many of the R primaries have disappeared to protect Trump from significant opposition.

[CU88]

USA Covid-19 deaths passed 80,000

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

[6ftstick]

USA Covid-19 deaths passed 80,000

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Should we be upset? You've told us 100K dead is nothing to note. As long as it didn't involve Trump.

[cradleandshoot]

USA Covid-19 deaths passed 80,000

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Should we be upset? You've told us 100K dead is nothing to note. As long as it didn't involve Trump.

It is not too early to tick off some of our FLP friends here. The environmentally correct response would be there are 80 thousand less humans exhaling co2 helping to destroy our planet. They will NEVER admit it. They are damn sure thinking it.

[holmes435]

Or, and hear me out on this as it may sound like crazy talk, if we were more responsible (and more conservative in some respects), we could have saved A LOT of those people AND reduced our pollution.

[cradleandshoot]

Or, and hear me out on this as it may sound like crazy talk, if we were more responsible (and more conservative in some respects), we could have saved A LOT of those people AND reduced our pollution.

Everybody knows on Monday why your team lost the game on Sunday. I don't disagree with you in theory Holmes. My wife feels the same way and asks why something was not done months ago. There is a ton of blame to put on the Trumpster, there is also plenty of blame to go around for everyone. I think i posted a link last week where major hospitals had purposefully depleted their inventories of PPE. They considered having stockpiles of PPE as not being economically feasible. There was one article about protective masks where the elastic bands had deteriorated and broke after years being stock piled. To our major hospitals, these stockpiles did not make for any type of ROI. They took the gamble and it came back to bite them.

This recent pandemic has proven, and i say this painfully, that maybe the government is the only entity big enough to stock pile this high volume of PPE for national use. There is one thing I know for certain. The government has no fiscal constraints or worries about how much they have to spend. It would not surprise me if a 5 cent mask suddenly cost the US government 5 dollars each.

[MDlaxfan76]

USA Covid-19 deaths passed 80,000

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Should we be upset? You've told us 100K dead is nothing to note. As long as it didn't involve Trump.

I can't even tell whether you're seriously asking this question, 6ft.
It's that dumb.

In what possible world would 100k lives precipitously lost in a couple of months... despite massive social/economic cost measures to prevent millions more lives lost be: 'nothing to note'?

[ardilla secreta]

It would not surprise me one bit if one or both presidential candidates fail to survive to the time of the elections or be healthy enough to participate, especially the orange one who seems to be taking a reckless path and can’t wear a mask because of his use of women’s makeup.

[6ftstick]

USA Covid-19 deaths passed 80,000

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Should we be upset? You've told us 100K dead is nothing to note. As long as it didn't involve Trump.

I can't even tell whether you're seriously asking this question, 6ft.
It's that dumb.

In what possible world would 100k lives precipitously lost in a couple of months... despite massive social/economic cost measures to prevent millions more lives lost be: 'nothing to note'?

100,000 Americans died in 1968—Asian FLU

CDC estimates 61K die from the flu every year.

You folks on the left say its no big deal. Nothing to look at there.

Go back through the post.

[MDlaxfan76]

Or, and hear me out on this as it may sound like crazy talk, if we were more responsible (and more conservative in some respects), we could have saved A LOT of those people AND reduced our pollution.

Everybody knows on Monday why your team lost the game on Sunday. I don't disagree with you in theory Holmes. My wife feels the same way and asks why something was not done months ago. There is a ton of blame to put on the Trumpster, there is also plenty of blame to go around for everyone. I think i posted a link last week where major hospitals had purposefully depleted their inventories of PPE. They considered having stockpiles of PPE as not being economically feasible. There was one article about protective masks where the elastic bands had deteriorated and broke after years being stock piled. To our major hospitals, these stockpiles did not make for any type of ROI. They took the gamble and it came back to bite them.

This recent pandemic has proven, and i say this painfully, that maybe the government is the only entity big enough to stock pile this high volume of PPE for national use. There is one thing I know for certain. The government has no fiscal constraints or worries about how much they have to spend. It would not surprise me if a 5 cent mask suddenly cost the US government 5 dollars each.

Certainly lots of mistakes have been made at all levels, including many individuals being idiots, putting others at risk.

Let's examine for a moment the notion that hospitals, private businesses, should operate at cost levels that include pandemic response...really? In a competitive marketplace?

Nope, this is a perfect example of the limits of capitalism, and why governmental organizations are essential to address community-wide challenges, indeed in this case nation-wide and international-wide challenges.

Unfortunately, whether through ideological blindness or through partisan numbskullery, Trump and much of his administration refused to nationalize the response to the pandemic, to take responsibility for the production and distribution and administration of essential supplies and testing. All with Der Leader using his enormous megaphone to persuade any who would listen that the problem was not really a problem deserving urgent response, including at the individual level (distancing, masks, etc).

That's our reality...your wife is right.

[MDlaxfan76]

USA Covid-19 deaths passed 80,000

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Should we be upset? You've told us 100K dead is nothing to note. As long as it didn't involve Trump.

I can't even tell whether you're seriously asking this question, 6ft.
It's that dumb.

In what possible world would 100k lives precipitously lost in a couple of months... despite massive social/economic cost measures to prevent millions more lives lost be: 'nothing to note'?

100,000 Americans died in 1968—Asian FLU

CDC estimates 61K die from the flu every year.

You folks on the left say its no big deal. Nothing to look at there.

Go back through the post.

First, I'm not on the "left".
Second, I've never heard anyone say those deaths are 'no big deal'.

However, those numbers are at full year impact.
We're in month 3 and hitting those numbers despite massive sacrifices to prevent millions more lives lost.

Simply not the same ballpark.
And we knew that was the case early on.
Only the dummies didn't know, or refused to know.

[cradleandshoot]

Or, and hear me out on this as it may sound like crazy talk, if we were more responsible (and more conservative in some respects), we could have saved A LOT of those people AND reduced our pollution.

Everybody knows on Monday why your team lost the game on Sunday. I don't disagree with you in theory Holmes. My wife feels the same way and asks why something was not done months ago. There is a ton of blame to put on the Trumpster, there is also plenty of blame to go around for everyone. I think i posted a link last week where major hospitals had purposefully depleted their inventories of PPE. They considered having stockpiles of PPE as not being economically feasible. There was one article about protective masks where the elastic bands had deteriorated and broke after years being stock piled. To our major hospitals, these stockpiles did not make for any type of ROI. They took the gamble and it came back to bite them.

This recent pandemic has proven, and i say this painfully, that maybe the government is the only entity big enough to stock pile this high volume of PPE for national use. There is one thing I know for certain. The government has no fiscal constraints or worries about how much they have to spend. It would not surprise me if a 5 cent mask suddenly cost the US government 5 dollars each.

Certainly lots of mistakes have been made at all levels, including many individuals being idiots, putting others at risk.

Let's examine for a moment the notion that hospitals, private businesses, should operate at cost levels that include pandemic response...really? In a competitive marketplace?

Nope, this is a perfect example of the limits of capitalism, and why governmental organizations are essential to address community-wide challenges, indeed in this case nation-wide and international-wide challenges.

Unfortunately, whether through ideological blindness or through partisan numbskullery, Trump and much of his administration refused to nationalize the response to the pandemic, to take responsibility for the production and distribution and administration of essential supplies and testing. All with Der Leader using his enormous megaphone to persuade any who would listen that the problem was not really a problem deserving urgent response, including at the individual level (distancing, masks, etc).

That's our reality...your wife is right.

The problem with putting the government in control of this is simple. the government is damn near incapable of stopping on a dime and changing directions. You want the gubmint to start mass producing protective masks? Unless you bypass the gubmint procurement process that does not happen over night. When I was in the army we grunts were issued a little item called a P38. What it was was a can opener. There was a multi page gubmint document about all the gubmint requirements they demanded in this technical marvel called the P38. I will send a P38 link for you to enjoy and maybe wonder why making PPE masks could be a daunting challenge for the gubmint.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-38_can_opener

[MDlaxfan76]

Or, and hear me out on this as it may sound like crazy talk, if we were more responsible (and more conservative in some respects), we could have saved A LOT of those people AND reduced our pollution.

Everybody knows on Monday why your team lost the game on Sunday. I don't disagree with you in theory Holmes. My wife feels the same way and asks why something was not done months ago. There is a ton of blame to put on the Trumpster, there is also plenty of blame to go around for everyone. I think i posted a link last week where major hospitals had purposefully depleted their inventories of PPE. They considered having stockpiles of PPE as not being economically feasible. There was one article about protective masks where the elastic bands had deteriorated and broke after years being stock piled. To our major hospitals, these stockpiles did not make for any type of ROI. They took the gamble and it came back to bite them.

This recent pandemic has proven, and i say this painfully, that maybe the government is the only entity big enough to stock pile this high volume of PPE for national use. There is one thing I know for certain. The government has no fiscal constraints or worries about how much they have to spend. It would not surprise me if a 5 cent mask suddenly cost the US government 5 dollars each.

Certainly lots of mistakes have been made at all levels, including many individuals being idiots, putting others at risk.

Let's examine for a moment the notion that hospitals, private businesses, should operate at cost levels that include pandemic response...really? In a competitive marketplace?

Nope, this is a perfect example of the limits of capitalism, and why governmental organizations are essential to address community-wide challenges, indeed in this case nation-wide and international-wide challenges.

Unfortunately, whether through ideological blindness or through partisan numbskullery, Trump and much of his administration refused to nationalize the response to the pandemic, to take responsibility for the production and distribution and administration of essential supplies and testing. All with Der Leader using his enormous megaphone to persuade any who would listen that the problem was not really a problem deserving urgent response, including at the individual level (distancing, masks, etc).

That's our reality...your wife is right.

The problem with putting the government in control of this is simple. the government is damn near incapable of stopping on a dime and changing directions. You want the gubmint to start mass producing protective masks? Unless you bypass the gubmint procurement process that does not happen over night. When I was in the army we grunts were issued a little item called a P38. What it was was a can opener. There was a multi page gubmint document about all the gubmint requirements they demanded in this technical marvel called the P38. I will send a P38 link for you to enjoy and maybe wonder why making PPE masks could be a daunting challenge for the gubmint.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-38_can_opener

yes, it would certainly need to be done with an urgency not normally representative of government procurement. But absolutely doable in emergency situation like this, including processes that safeguard against crony profiteering.

Put a can-do, no nonsense guy like the General running the Army Corps of Engineers in charge, partnered with some commercial procurement specialists on loan from say Walmart, etc. Akin to WWII effort.

It's doable...and we still need to do it!

[cradleandshoot]

Or, and hear me out on this as it may sound like crazy talk, if we were more responsible (and more conservative in some respects), we could have saved A LOT of those people AND reduced our pollution.

Everybody knows on Monday why your team lost the game on Sunday. I don't disagree with you in theory Holmes. My wife feels the same way and asks why something was not done months ago. There is a ton of blame to put on the Trumpster, there is also plenty of blame to go around for everyone. I think i posted a link last week where major hospitals had purposefully depleted their inventories of PPE. They considered having stockpiles of PPE as not being economically feasible. There was one article about protective masks where the elastic bands had deteriorated and broke after years being stock piled. To our major hospitals, these stockpiles did not make for any type of ROI. They took the gamble and it came back to bite them.

This recent pandemic has proven, and i say this painfully, that maybe the government is the only entity big enough to stock pile this high volume of PPE for national use. There is one thing I know for certain. The government has no fiscal constraints or worries about how much they have to spend. It would not surprise me if a 5 cent mask suddenly cost the US government 5 dollars each.

Certainly lots of mistakes have been made at all levels, including many individuals being idiots, putting others at risk.

Let's examine for a moment the notion that hospitals, private businesses, should operate at cost levels that include pandemic response...really? In a competitive marketplace?

Nope, this is a perfect example of the limits of capitalism, and why governmental organizations are essential to address community-wide challenges, indeed in this case nation-wide and international-wide challenges.

Unfortunately, whether through ideological blindness or through partisan numbskullery, Trump and much of his administration refused to nationalize the response to the pandemic, to take responsibility for the production and distribution and administration of essential supplies and testing. All with Der Leader using his enormous megaphone to persuade any who would listen that the problem was not really a problem deserving urgent response, including at the individual level (distancing, masks, etc).

That's our reality...your wife is right.

The problem with putting the government in control of this is simple. the government is damn near incapable of stopping on a dime and changing directions. You want the gubmint to start mass producing protective masks? Unless you bypass the gubmint procurement process that does not happen over night. When I was in the army we grunts were issued a little item called a P38. What it was was a can opener. There was a multi page gubmint document about all the gubmint requirements they demanded in this technical marvel called the P38. I will send a P38 link for you to enjoy and maybe wonder why making PPE masks could be a daunting challenge for the gubmint.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-38_can_opener

yes, it would certainly need to be done with an urgency not normally representative of government procurement. But absolutely doable in emergency situation like this, including processes that safeguard against crony profiteering.

Put a can-do, no nonsense guy like the General running the Army Corps of Engineers in charge, partnered with some commercial procurement specialists on loan from say Walmart, etc. Akin to WWII effort.

It's doable...and we still need to do it!

IMO here MD no matter how noble or nobel the cause the gubmint always finds a way to get in there own way. There would have to be some bureaucratic bulldozer to clear away all the mountains of red tape. Expediency has never been a friend of the US government.

[MDlaxfan76]

Or, and hear me out on this as it may sound like crazy talk, if we were more responsible (and more conservative in some respects), we could have saved A LOT of those people AND reduced our pollution.

Everybody knows on Monday why your team lost the game on Sunday. I don't disagree with you in theory Holmes. My wife feels the same way and asks why something was not done months ago. There is a ton of blame to put on the Trumpster, there is also plenty of blame to go around for everyone. I think i posted a link last week where major hospitals had purposefully depleted their inventories of PPE. They considered having stockpiles of PPE as not being economically feasible. There was one article about protective masks where the elastic bands had deteriorated and broke after years being stock piled. To our major hospitals, these stockpiles did not make for any type of ROI. They took the gamble and it came back to bite them.

This recent pandemic has proven, and i say this painfully, that maybe the government is the only entity big enough to stock pile this high volume of PPE for national use. There is one thing I know for certain. The government has no fiscal constraints or worries about how much they have to spend. It would not surprise me if a 5 cent mask suddenly cost the US government 5 dollars each.

Certainly lots of mistakes have been made at all levels, including many individuals being idiots, putting others at risk.

Let's examine for a moment the notion that hospitals, private businesses, should operate at cost levels that include pandemic response...really? In a competitive marketplace?

Nope, this is a perfect example of the limits of capitalism, and why governmental organizations are essential to address community-wide challenges, indeed in this case nation-wide and international-wide challenges.

Unfortunately, whether through ideological blindness or through partisan numbskullery, Trump and much of his administration refused to nationalize the response to the pandemic, to take responsibility for the production and distribution and administration of essential supplies and testing. All with Der Leader using his enormous megaphone to persuade any who would listen that the problem was not really a problem deserving urgent response, including at the individual level (distancing, masks, etc).

That's our reality...your wife is right.

The problem with putting the government in control of this is simple. the government is damn near incapable of stopping on a dime and changing directions. You want the gubmint to start mass producing protective masks? Unless you bypass the gubmint procurement process that does not happen over night. When I was in the army we grunts were issued a little item called a P38. What it was was a can opener. There was a multi page gubmint document about all the gubmint requirements they demanded in this technical marvel called the P38. I will send a P38 link for you to enjoy and maybe wonder why making PPE masks could be a daunting challenge for the gubmint.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-38_can_opener

yes, it would certainly need to be done with an urgency not normally representative of government procurement. But absolutely doable in emergency situation like this, including processes that safeguard against crony profiteering.

Put a can-do, no nonsense guy like the General running the Army Corps of Engineers in charge, partnered with some commercial procurement specialists on loan from say Walmart, etc. Akin to WWII effort.

It's doable...and we still need to do it!

IMO here MD no matter how noble or nobel the cause the gubmint always finds a way to get in there own way. There would have to be some bureaucratic bulldozer to clear away all the mountains of red tape. Expediency has never been a friend of the US government.

Sure, but that's why the Defense Authorization Act exists, to clear away the red tape and to provide emergency authorities. It CAN be done, and it CAN be done with oversight processes in place to prevent crony profiteering. That's exactly why we have IG's, whistleblower protections, Congressional oversight committees etc.

But there's absolutely NO EXCUSE for the sitting on our hands that's been done instead by this Administration.

[cradleandshoot]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... gping.html
I thought this was an interesting read. It looks like the Chicoms are much better at meddling in our elections than the rooskies. I wonder why there was no outrage about this in 2008? As long as the right person won the election it just did not matter all that much to our Democrat friends back then. I had a good chuckle about the Chicoms whining about a McCain letter to the Taiwanese government that he had not even mailed yet. Those Chicoms sure are great prognosticators aren't they?