All things Chinese CoronaVirus

[MDlaxfan76]

Reading this Tamp Bay Times article, you can taste how disappointed the writer (Democrat, natch) is that even more Floridians haven't died from the virus. He is practically begging for a disaster, but mostly, he's ticked that DeSantis gets to skate.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/20 ... e-told-to/

The credit doesn't go to the governor ('governor' credit is only reserved for Andrew Cuomo, who has done 'epic' work in New York!); you see, Floridians are now smart, not the dumb stereotype that the national press prefers when we are not dealing with a pandemic!

A Tampa Bay Times data analysis and interviews with 15 experts help answer the question: Why not Florida? Everyone stayed home before they were told to

You can't make up this media dishonesty in your wildest dreams; movie studios would reject your script for being too exaggerated!

Amazing that you call this media dishonesty when they actually have data to back up what they are saying (do you actually read these in depth?). Heck - I was in Florida mid-March, and can confirm the beginnings of a shutdown that was occuring - not because DeSantis was ordering it - but because at least some people (a lot in fact) actually knew there was a big problem coming.

But that does not jibe with your preferred narrative...

Yup, PB is all "narrative", no critical reading comprehension.

BTW, PB, Cuomo screwed up early on, too.
Not as long, not as badly as Trump, but he screwed up not taking it adequately seriously fast enough.
He's admitted that's the case.
They were hit very early, extremely hard, and have been battling from behind ever since.

The primary credit he gets is not because they've worked so hard to fight the disease, but rather because they quickly decided that telling it straight would help in their fight. Persuading people to help was job #1 as it was the only real way to reduce the rapid spread...and they've banged that drum daily, with facts and empathy. A stark contrast with Trump.

There's actually much to critique about DeSantis, but if you compare his administration's work and his decisions relative to some other southern states, he looks much better. None of them are following the science. But Florida's health dept is much more professional than many of its neighbors, so much of what they've done, and what many of the cities, towns and counties have done, has been helpful.

Yeh Andy was great. Talked straight.

And put infected individuals back into crowded nursing homes. We have more nursing home senior deaths in NY than most states have total deaths

But he communicates so well.

Like I said, there's room for critique of Cuomo and NYS and NYC.
On this one, I've listened over and over again, and it's very clear that the rules allow ANY nursing home to ask the State to move ANY patient to another facility if they feel they can't properly isolate and care for that individual. And the state has set up COVID-only nursing home facilities.

But, if you're going to take an individual and bill the state for their care, then you darn well need to provide them with the necessary care.

I just don't think "put infected individuals back" is correct as to the issue.
That's really not how the virus got into nursing homes and spread in such a deadly way.

[6ftstick]

Reading this Tamp Bay Times article, you can taste how disappointed the writer (Democrat, natch) is that even more Floridians haven't died from the virus. He is practically begging for a disaster, but mostly, he's ticked that DeSantis gets to skate.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/20 ... e-told-to/

The credit doesn't go to the governor ('governor' credit is only reserved for Andrew Cuomo, who has done 'epic' work in New York!); you see, Floridians are now smart, not the dumb stereotype that the national press prefers when we are not dealing with a pandemic!

A Tampa Bay Times data analysis and interviews with 15 experts help answer the question: Why not Florida? Everyone stayed home before they were told to

You can't make up this media dishonesty in your wildest dreams; movie studios would reject your script for being too exaggerated!

Amazing that you call this media dishonesty when they actually have data to back up what they are saying (do you actually read these in depth?). Heck - I was in Florida mid-March, and can confirm the beginnings of a shutdown that was occuring - not because DeSantis was ordering it - but because at least some people (a lot in fact) actually knew there was a big problem coming.

But that does not jibe with your preferred narrative...

Yup, PB is all "narrative", no critical reading comprehension.

BTW, PB, Cuomo screwed up early on, too.
Not as long, not as badly as Trump, but he screwed up not taking it adequately seriously fast enough.
He's admitted that's the case.
They were hit very early, extremely hard, and have been battling from behind ever since.

The primary credit he gets is not because they've worked so hard to fight the disease, but rather because they quickly decided that telling it straight would help in their fight. Persuading people to help was job #1 as it was the only real way to reduce the rapid spread...and they've banged that drum daily, with facts and empathy. A stark contrast with Trump.

There's actually much to critique about DeSantis, but if you compare his administration's work and his decisions relative to some other southern states, he looks much better. None of them are following the science. But Florida's health dept is much more professional than many of its neighbors, so much of what they've done, and what many of the cities, towns and counties have done, has been helpful.

Yeh Andy was great. Talked straight.

And put infected individuals back into crowded nursing homes. We have more nursing home senior deaths in NY than most states have total deaths

But he communicates so well.

Like I said, there's room for critique of Cuomo and NYS and NYC.
On this one, I've listened over and over again, and it's very clear that the rules allow ANY nursing home to ask the State to move ANY patient to another facility if they feel they can't properly isolate and care for that individual. And the state has set up COVID-only nursing home facilities.

But, if you're going to take an individual and bill the state for their care, then you darn well need to provide them with the necessary care.

I just don't think "put infected individuals back" is correct as to the issue.
That's really not how the virus got into nursing homes and spread in such a deadly way.

When a reporter challenged him, asking whether upholding the order contradicted his admission that what was going on in these facilities was a “feeding frenzy” for the virus, Cuomo refused to acknowledge the problem. Instead, he insisted that any institution that didn’t have quarantine space or sufficient equipment to protect other patients or staff could request to have coronavirus victims transferred elsewhere.

Yet as the New York Post reported a day later, one coronavirus hotspot, the Cobble Hill Health Center in Brooklyn, where 55 people have died from COVID-19, had tried repeatedly to inform state Health Department officials of its lack of equipment and staff to handle the problem and received no help. Requests to transfer patients to the makeshift wards at New York’s mammoth Javits Center, a convention center that has been turned into a hospital, or the USS Comfort, the navy hospital ship that was anchored in New York Harbor before leaving due to lack of use, were turned down.

But turn the other cheek. He talks straight and above all else he's a DEMOCRAT

[tech37]

Holy sh*t...if that Cobble Hill story is accurate and an example of how nursing homes were dealt with in NYS, it's a lot worse than I had assumed.

Thanks for posting...I think

[Typical Lax Dad]

Reading this Tamp Bay Times article, you can taste how disappointed the writer (Democrat, natch) is that even more Floridians haven't died from the virus. He is practically begging for a disaster, but mostly, he's ticked that DeSantis gets to skate.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/20 ... e-told-to/

The credit doesn't go to the governor ('governor' credit is only reserved for Andrew Cuomo, who has done 'epic' work in New York!); you see, Floridians are now smart, not the dumb stereotype that the national press prefers when we are not dealing with a pandemic!

A Tampa Bay Times data analysis and interviews with 15 experts help answer the question: Why not Florida? Everyone stayed home before they were told to

You can't make up this media dishonesty in your wildest dreams; movie studios would reject your script for being too exaggerated!

Amazing that you call this media dishonesty when they actually have data to back up what they are saying (do you actually read these in depth?). Heck - I was in Florida mid-March, and can confirm the beginnings of a shutdown that was occuring - not because DeSantis was ordering it - but because at least some people (a lot in fact) actually knew there was a big problem coming.

But that does not jibe with your preferred narrative...

Yup, PB is all "narrative", no critical reading comprehension.

BTW, PB, Cuomo screwed up early on, too.
Not as long, not as badly as Trump, but he screwed up not taking it adequately seriously fast enough.
He's admitted that's the case.
They were hit very early, extremely hard, and have been battling from behind ever since.

The primary credit he gets is not because they've worked so hard to fight the disease, but rather because they quickly decided that telling it straight would help in their fight. Persuading people to help was job #1 as it was the only real way to reduce the rapid spread...and they've banged that drum daily, with facts and empathy. A stark contrast with Trump.

There's actually much to critique about DeSantis, but if you compare his administration's work and his decisions relative to some other southern states, he looks much better. None of them are following the science. But Florida's health dept is much more professional than many of its neighbors, so much of what they've done, and what many of the cities, towns and counties have done, has been helpful.

Yeh Andy was great. Talked straight.

And put infected individuals back into crowded nursing homes. We have more nursing home senior deaths in NY than most states have total deaths

But he communicates so well.

Like I said, there's room for critique of Cuomo and NYS and NYC.
On this one, I've listened over and over again, and it's very clear that the rules allow ANY nursing home to ask the State to move ANY patient to another facility if they feel they can't properly isolate and care for that individual. And the state has set up COVID-only nursing home facilities.

But, if you're going to take an individual and bill the state for their care, then you darn well need to provide them with the necessary care.

I just don't think "put infected individuals back" is correct as to the issue.
That's really not how the virus got into nursing homes and spread in such a deadly way.

When a reporter challenged him, asking whether upholding the order contradicted his admission that what was going on in these facilities was a “feeding frenzy” for the virus, Cuomo refused to acknowledge the problem. Instead, he insisted that any institution that didn’t have quarantine space or sufficient equipment to protect other patients or staff could request to have coronavirus victims transferred elsewhere.

Yet as the New York Post reported a day later, one coronavirus hotspot, the Cobble Hill Health Center in Brooklyn, where 55 people have died from COVID-19, had tried repeatedly to inform state Health Department officials of its lack of equipment and staff to handle the problem and received no help. Requests to transfer patients to the makeshift wards at New York’s mammoth Javits Center, a convention center that has been turned into a hospital, or the USS Comfort, the navy hospital ship that was anchored in New York Harbor before leaving due to lack of use, were turned down.

But turn the other cheek. He talks straight and above all else he's a DEMOCRAT

18 tons on stuff they needed was sent to China by the Trump Administration during the first week of February. How many masks and gowns does it take to get to 18 tons. Weigh your mask and get back to us.

[wgdsr]

you guys realize lots of folks are making mistakes, no?
some is hubris, some is narcissism, some is self-interest, some is incompetence.
largest helpings are that we're in a pandemic. in one of those, your political affiliation doesn't make you immune to bad choices.

[MDlaxfan76]

Reading this Tamp Bay Times article, you can taste how disappointed the writer (Democrat, natch) is that even more Floridians haven't died from the virus. He is practically begging for a disaster, but mostly, he's ticked that DeSantis gets to skate.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/20 ... e-told-to/

The credit doesn't go to the governor ('governor' credit is only reserved for Andrew Cuomo, who has done 'epic' work in New York!); you see, Floridians are now smart, not the dumb stereotype that the national press prefers when we are not dealing with a pandemic!

A Tampa Bay Times data analysis and interviews with 15 experts help answer the question: Why not Florida? Everyone stayed home before they were told to

You can't make up this media dishonesty in your wildest dreams; movie studios would reject your script for being too exaggerated!

Amazing that you call this media dishonesty when they actually have data to back up what they are saying (do you actually read these in depth?). Heck - I was in Florida mid-March, and can confirm the beginnings of a shutdown that was occuring - not because DeSantis was ordering it - but because at least some people (a lot in fact) actually knew there was a big problem coming.

But that does not jibe with your preferred narrative...

Yup, PB is all "narrative", no critical reading comprehension.

BTW, PB, Cuomo screwed up early on, too.
Not as long, not as badly as Trump, but he screwed up not taking it adequately seriously fast enough.
He's admitted that's the case.
They were hit very early, extremely hard, and have been battling from behind ever since.

The primary credit he gets is not because they've worked so hard to fight the disease, but rather because they quickly decided that telling it straight would help in their fight. Persuading people to help was job #1 as it was the only real way to reduce the rapid spread...and they've banged that drum daily, with facts and empathy. A stark contrast with Trump.

There's actually much to critique about DeSantis, but if you compare his administration's work and his decisions relative to some other southern states, he looks much better. None of them are following the science. But Florida's health dept is much more professional than many of its neighbors, so much of what they've done, and what many of the cities, towns and counties have done, has been helpful.

Yeh Andy was great. Talked straight.

And put infected individuals back into crowded nursing homes. We have more nursing home senior deaths in NY than most states have total deaths

But he communicates so well.

Like I said, there's room for critique of Cuomo and NYS and NYC.
On this one, I've listened over and over again, and it's very clear that the rules allow ANY nursing home to ask the State to move ANY patient to another facility if they feel they can't properly isolate and care for that individual. And the state has set up COVID-only nursing home facilities.

But, if you're going to take an individual and bill the state for their care, then you darn well need to provide them with the necessary care.

I just don't think "put infected individuals back" is correct as to the issue.
That's really not how the virus got into nursing homes and spread in such a deadly way.

When a reporter challenged him, asking whether upholding the order contradicted his admission that what was going on in these facilities was a “feeding frenzy” for the virus, Cuomo refused to acknowledge the problem. Instead, he insisted that any institution that didn’t have quarantine space or sufficient equipment to protect other patients or staff could request to have coronavirus victims transferred elsewhere.

Yet as the New York Post reported a day later, one coronavirus hotspot, the Cobble Hill Health Center in Brooklyn, where 55 people have died from COVID-19, had tried repeatedly to inform state Health Department officials of its lack of equipment and staff to handle the problem and received no help. Requests to transfer patients to the makeshift wards at New York’s mammoth Javits Center, a convention center that has been turned into a hospital, or the USS Comfort, the navy hospital ship that was anchored in New York Harbor before leaving due to lack of use, were turned down.

But turn the other cheek. He talks straight and above all else he's a DEMOCRAT

That indeed sounds bad...could you provide the link for your quote?

Again, I think there's plenty to critique with what's been done or not done in the battle.
They've been playing from way behind, and it's been a very rough ride trying to catch up.

The Javits was not a nursing home nor the Comfort. At first, you couldn't get on the comfort if you had the virus...anyone. Javits would have been for actual acute cases, not managing patients in recovery post acute care.

The question would be when did the State have designated nursing home beds for COVID recovery cases or low symptom nursing home transfers. They may well have been too slow to recognize this necessity.

[wgdsr]

mdlax, this would seem to be a strange hill to die on. cuomo and ny missed this one. hopefully can right the ship.
jersey, cali and ny in march were mandating this, jersey and cali reversed course and cuomo defended this and was adamant throughout april.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/co ... s-n1191811

[Typical Lax Dad]

you guys realize lots of folks are making mistakes, no?
some is hubris, some is narcissism, some is self-interest, some is incompetence.
largest helpings are that we're in a pandemic. in one of those, your political affiliation doesn't make you immune to bad choices.

Knowing what scientists know and have been warning against for years as it relates to the risk of a novel virus, I would love to know who signed off on depleting our supplies when the virus had emerged and was spreading globally. This was the first week of February, not December.

When a person is “in charge” they shoulder some of the responsibility. I know that is how it works in my company. I thought Trump was a bottom line guy?

[Typical Lax Dad]

mdlax, this would seem to be a strange hill to die on. cuomo and ny missed this one. hopefully can right the ship.
jersey, cali and ny in march were mandating this, jersey and cali reversed course and cuomo defended this and was adamant throughout april.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/co ... s-n1191811

Cuomo made a mistake and should have owned up to it. 55 deaths could have been reduced. Maybe by 1/2. We are over 80,000 dead and it’s going to get worse. The fall and winter will be a nightmare compared to now, if we don’t step up our testing game or get a vaccine in record time. We have no immunity. The virus doesn’t care about politics or the economy. It’s like a terminator.

[MDlaxfan76]

you guys realize lots of folks are making mistakes, no?
some is hubris, some is narcissism, some is self-interest, some is incompetence.
largest helpings are that we're in a pandemic. in one of those, your political affiliation doesn't make you immune to bad choices.

+1 there.

The issue really is 1) whether we learn and 2) how fast we learn...or do we, for some sort of partisan or ideological reason, double down on the mistakes.

There's definitely some sort of partisan or ideological undercurrent on the "right", which is allied with Trump or led by Trump, that remains in denial of the science altogether.

I'm not talking about the discussions around the edges that many of us have on here as to how best to interpret and respond to the emerging facts, but rather the near total denial, the claims that it's all a scam, that it's not actually a deadly threat at all.

Big overlap with other conspiracy theory, anti-government, anti-science 'whack job' (my word) themes.

And because these folks are more often than not embraced by Trump and Fox, etc, this 'scam', 'hoax', 'the numbers are overstated', set of themes has actually 'infected' the more general GOP Trump base's perception of what is happening and what should be done and when.

These folks (whack jobs) are loud...and very much part of Trump's Twitterverse. And he's clearly, painfully so, receptive to such.

There's plenty of legitimate debate to be had as to how best to weigh various priorities, how best to manage successfully (including learning fast, and adapting successfully to new information).

But the huge disconnect is with folks who remain in denial of the actual science. And they have Trump's ear...

[MDlaxfan76]

mdlax, this would seem to be a strange hill to die on. cuomo and ny missed this one. hopefully can right the ship.
jersey, cali and ny in march were mandating this, jersey and cali reversed course and cuomo defended this and was adamant throughout april.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/co ... s-n1191811

Thanks, that article certainly makes it clear that it's a heck of a lot more complicated than the blanket statement either with or against Cuomo's decisions.

As I said, (and agree with you strongly) mistakes have undoubtedly been made.

[6ftstick]

18 tons on stuff they needed was sent to China by the Trump Administration during the first week of February. How many masks and gowns does it take to get to 18 tons. Weigh your mask and get back to us.
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Is it your position that its the responsibility of the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES to know if each nursing home has stocked up on the medical equipment they need to care for and protect the patients that live there. Really?

Before he engages in a humanitarian gesture —That the rest of the world was also engaged in—with a world partner that was in the process of buying 30 BILLION in US agriculture products as part of a new 250 Billion dollar trade deal.

Really?

[Typical Lax Dad]

18 tons on stuff they needed was sent to China by the Trump Administration during the first week of February. How many masks and gowns does it take to get to 18 tons. Weigh your mask and get back to us.

Is it your position that its the responsibility of the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES to know if each nursing home has stocked up on the medical equipment they need to care for and protect the patients that live there. Really?

Before he engages in a humanitarian gesture —That the rest of the world was also engaged in—with a world partner that was in the process of buying 30 BILLION in US agriculture products as part of a new 250 Billion dollar trade deal.

Really?
[/quote]

The administration controlled the messaging. The administration waffled on the masks because they didn’t want the public to make a run on supplies. Trump is in charge. You put good people in place to make good public policy and public health decisions This administration failed. Look at the economic fallout.

[njbill]

I thought Trump was a bottom line guy?

Nope. He’s a “the buck stops over there” guy.

[Peter Brown]

Reading this Tamp Bay Times article, you can taste how disappointed the writer (Democrat, natch) is that even more Floridians haven't died from the virus. He is practically begging for a disaster, but mostly, he's ticked that DeSantis gets to skate.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/20 ... e-told-to/

The credit doesn't go to the governor ('governor' credit is only reserved for Andrew Cuomo, who has done 'epic' work in New York!); you see, Floridians are now smart, not the dumb stereotype that the national press prefers when we are not dealing with a pandemic!

A Tampa Bay Times data analysis and interviews with 15 experts help answer the question: Why not Florida? Everyone stayed home before they were told to

You can't make up this media dishonesty in your wildest dreams; movie studios would reject your script for being too exaggerated!

Amazing that you call this media dishonesty when they actually have data to back up what they are saying (do you actually read these in depth?). Heck - I was in Florida mid-March, and can confirm the beginnings of a shutdown that was occuring - not because DeSantis was ordering it - but because at least some people (a lot in fact) actually knew there was a big problem coming.

But that does not jibe with your preferred narrative...

My 'narrative'? Seems like it's you putting out a narrative ('Republican bad, Democrat good').

Are you saying that Floridians have a higher IQ than New Yorkers? I mean, our relative Covid statistics to New York are almost 1 to 20, so ipso facto, are we 20x smarter than New Yorkers?

We get accused of a ton, but being brighter than New Yorkers is a new one!! I'll take it!

(I don't know, I don't think we are smarter, that must just be you; I think maybe Ron DeSantis did the right thing by immediately locking down nursing homes, while Andrew Cuomo did the exact opposite and sent sick people back into his...). 'But the beaches!!!!!'

[cradleandshoot]

mdlax, this would seem to be a strange hill to die on. cuomo and ny missed this one. hopefully can right the ship.
jersey, cali and ny in march were mandating this, jersey and cali reversed course and cuomo defended this and was adamant throughout april.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/co ... s-n1191811

Thanks, that article certainly makes it clear that it's a heck of a lot more complicated than the blanket statement either with or against Cuomo's decisions.

As I said, (and agree with you strongly) mistakes have undoubtedly been made.

I don't call him King Andy for no reason.

[cradleandshoot]

Reading this Tamp Bay Times article, you can taste how disappointed the writer (Democrat, natch) is that even more Floridians haven't died from the virus. He is practically begging for a disaster, but mostly, he's ticked that DeSantis gets to skate.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/20 ... e-told-to/

The credit doesn't go to the governor ('governor' credit is only reserved for Andrew Cuomo, who has done 'epic' work in New York!); you see, Floridians are now smart, not the dumb stereotype that the national press prefers when we are not dealing with a pandemic!

A Tampa Bay Times data analysis and interviews with 15 experts help answer the question: Why not Florida? Everyone stayed home before they were told to

You can't make up this media dishonesty in your wildest dreams; movie studios would reject your script for being too exaggerated!

Amazing that you call this media dishonesty when they actually have data to back up what they are saying (do you actually read these in depth?). Heck - I was in Florida mid-March, and can confirm the beginnings of a shutdown that was occuring - not because DeSantis was ordering it - but because at least some people (a lot in fact) actually knew there was a big problem coming.

But that does not jibe with your preferred narrative...

My 'narrative'? Seems like it's you putting out a narrative ('Republican bad, Democrat good').

Are you saying that Floridians have a higher IQ than New Yorkers? I mean, our relative Covid statistics to New York are almost 1 to 20, so ipso facto, are we 20x smarter than New Yorkers?

We get accused of a ton, but being brighter than New Yorkers is a new one!! I'll take it!

(I don't know, I don't think we are smarter, that must just be you; I think maybe Ron DeSantis did the right thing by immediately locking down nursing homes, while Andrew Cuomo did the exact opposite and sent sick people back into his...). 'But the beaches!!!!!'

"Are you saying that Floridians have a higher IQ than New Yorkers?"

I think a vast majority of Floridians today are former New Yorkers who have left the state seeking the freedom denied to them in NYS.

[Peter Brown]

Reading this Tamp Bay Times article, you can taste how disappointed the writer (Democrat, natch) is that even more Floridians haven't died from the virus. He is practically begging for a disaster, but mostly, he's ticked that DeSantis gets to skate.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/20 ... e-told-to/

The credit doesn't go to the governor ('governor' credit is only reserved for Andrew Cuomo, who has done 'epic' work in New York!); you see, Floridians are now smart, not the dumb stereotype that the national press prefers when we are not dealing with a pandemic!

A Tampa Bay Times data analysis and interviews with 15 experts help answer the question: Why not Florida? Everyone stayed home before they were told to

You can't make up this media dishonesty in your wildest dreams; movie studios would reject your script for being too exaggerated!

Amazing that you call this media dishonesty when they actually have data to back up what they are saying (do you actually read these in depth?). Heck - I was in Florida mid-March, and can confirm the beginnings of a shutdown that was occuring - not because DeSantis was ordering it - but because at least some people (a lot in fact) actually knew there was a big problem coming.

But that does not jibe with your preferred narrative...

My 'narrative'? Seems like it's you putting out a narrative ('Republican bad, Democrat good').

Are you saying that Floridians have a higher IQ than New Yorkers? I mean, our relative Covid statistics to New York are almost 1 to 20, so ipso facto, are we 20x smarter than New Yorkers?

We get accused of a ton, but being brighter than New Yorkers is a new one!! I'll take it!

(I don't know, I don't think we are smarter, that must just be you; I think maybe Ron DeSantis did the right thing by immediately locking down nursing homes, while Andrew Cuomo did the exact opposite and sent sick people back into his...). 'But the beaches!!!!!'

"Are you saying that Floridians have a higher IQ than New Yorkers?"

I think a vast majority of Floridians today are former New Yorkers who have left the state seeking the freedom denied to them in NYS.

You're right about that. I don;t spend a ton of time on the east coast of Florida, but enough to agree wholeheartedly with your assessment. And the NY'ers I meet are very very conservative.

[MDlaxfan76]

mdlax, this would seem to be a strange hill to die on. cuomo and ny missed this one. hopefully can right the ship.
jersey, cali and ny in march were mandating this, jersey and cali reversed course and cuomo defended this and was adamant throughout april.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/co ... s-n1191811

Thanks, that article certainly makes it clear that it's a heck of a lot more complicated than the blanket statement either with or against Cuomo's decisions.

As I said, (and agree with you strongly) mistakes have undoubtedly been made.

I don't call him King Andy for no reason.

fair 'nuff.

What do you call the fellow in the White House?

I call him Der Leader.

[cradleandshoot]

mdlax, this would seem to be a strange hill to die on. cuomo and ny missed this one. hopefully can right the ship.
jersey, cali and ny in march were mandating this, jersey and cali reversed course and cuomo defended this and was adamant throughout april.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/co ... s-n1191811

Thanks, that article certainly makes it clear that it's a heck of a lot more complicated than the blanket statement either with or against Cuomo's decisions.

As I said, (and agree with you strongly) mistakes have undoubtedly been made.

I don't call him King Andy for no reason.

fair 'nuff.

What do you call the fellow in the White House?

I call him Der Leader.

I don't know what to call Trump anymore. He is the same person he presented himself to be on that stupid TV show. He is an arrogant, self centered and egotistical jackass. He is not a Republican. He is certainly not a conservative. IMO he is liked by his base supporters because he leaves Democrats and the media foaming at the mouth with rage and blind hatred. I still find it unusual that way before Trump became POTUS, the NYS Democrats loved the guy and loved cashing all of his checks.