Nice. You fail to understand that we people realize that, as a fan has said, there are no good choices. It's an extremely tough call, and extremely uncomfortable to consider.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 11:17 pmI can’t even begin to express my disgust at this “discussion”.tech37 wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 6:07 pmExactly a fan...a fan wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 6:01 pm+2tech37 wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 5:19 pm+1kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 5:09 pm Fair enough.
And don’t get me wrong. I’m not excited about “only” 200k deaths. At this point, it’s here and it’s a risk.
The “unintended consequences“ are being counted as Part of those covid deaths- people who had other underlying conditions or couldn’t get a bed due to someone else taking the spot. Those are part of the 200k numbers.
But what is being ignored are the unintended consequences of keeping people at home, people afraid to get regular treatments or needed surgeries or life-threatening ailments checked out at ERs. Cancers going undiagnosed, mental illness, depression, and of course the financial side, families and businesses in ruin. That is a risk too IMO. And a toll of covid.
I’d argue that those unintended consequences and terrible scenarios probably outnumber the worst case death scenarios. And those can be prevented by lifting restrictions and imploring people to go about their lives in a new, different and safer manner. But let them know that there are still risks.
It sucks all around, and there are no right moves, given the lack of testing. Hopefully, two things happen.
1. Testing catches up. Testing helps let us know how deadly the disease is.
2. This virus is far more contagious than we thought, and therefore it's far less deadly than we thought...and places like Italy and NY simply got hit all at once.
These are false choices being discussed here. Yes, we’re headed to over 100,000 deaths. There is nothing that will stop that now. However, there is no reason we should ever get close to 200,000 deaths.
Advocating the opening up of the economy now, when the pandemic is still going strong, is little more than complicity in mass deaths. No, those “unintended consequences” deaths from mitigation efforts will not outnumber the excess deaths from the pandemic if we loosen those restrictions.
Americans don’t have to die if we only instituted a massive testing, contact tracing, and quarantine program. The United States has the financial resources to implement such a program. We have the manpower. We have the manufacturing capability. All we lack is the political will because a malignant narcissist is in the Oval Office and doesn’t want testing to drive up the case and death numbers.
We are quite literally witnessing mass homicide on a historic scale ... and those of you who buy into the false choices framed by Trump are only aiding this atrocity.
We have to keep trying.
South Korea is still implementing substantial mitigation efforts at great cost to their economy, because they are still fighting to keep their death toll under 300.
THREE HUNDRED.
And here you are discussing 200,000 deaths as being somehow an acceptable sacrifice.
Are you kidding me?
What is wrong with you ^#%*+%# people?
DocBarrister
You're often wrong on here IMO... hope that's the case more than ever.