Who wants to bet that Trump already knows the answer to where it started and how it can be linked back to the 3.7mm funding the BHO admin sent to Wuhan U for study?
Asked last week whether he's seen evidence that would suggest the virus originated in the lab, Trump replied: “Yes, I have.” But he said “I'm not allowed to tell you that” when pressed on what the evidence looked like. Pompeo on Sunday told ABC News that there was an “enormous” and “significant amount of evidence that this came from that laboratory in Wuhan,” the Chinese city where the disease first hit, but he did not provide details.
All things Chinese CoronaVirus
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A fraudulent intent, however carefully concealed at the outset, will generally, in the end, betray itself.
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Re: All things COVID-19
They are gaslighting. The genetic signatures of the disease would have significant differences if engineered - and their is no sign of that. They just want you to think it came as a release from the lab so Trump can have an "anti-China because of the coronovirus" take to sell to the electorate, which is amazing considering all the sucking up he was doing in the first quarter of this year because he was afraid of angering Xi and getting his precious trade deal done.youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 8:30 pm Who wants to bet that Trump already knows the answer to where it started and how it can be linked back to the 3.7mm funding the BHO admin sent to Wuhan U for study?
Asked last week whether he's seen evidence that would suggest the virus originated in the lab, Trump replied: “Yes, I have.” But he said “I'm not allowed to tell you that” when pressed on what the evidence looked like. Pompeo on Sunday told ABC News that there was an “enormous” and “significant amount of evidence that this came from that laboratory in Wuhan,” the Chinese city where the disease first hit, but he did not provide details.
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A friend is convinced China is going to pay for economic impact caused by the virus.RedFromMI wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 8:48 pmThey are gaslighting. The genetic signatures of the disease would have significant differences if engineered - and their is no sign of that. They just want you to think it came as a release from the lab so Trump can have an "anti-China because of the coronovirus" take to sell to the electorate, which is amazing considering all the sucking up he was doing in the first quarter of this year because he was afraid of angering Xi and getting his precious trade deal done.youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 8:30 pm Who wants to bet that Trump already knows the answer to where it started and how it can be linked back to the 3.7mm funding the BHO admin sent to Wuhan U for study?
Asked last week whether he's seen evidence that would suggest the virus originated in the lab, Trump replied: “Yes, I have.” But he said “I'm not allowed to tell you that” when pressed on what the evidence looked like. Pompeo on Sunday told ABC News that there was an “enormous” and “significant amount of evidence that this came from that laboratory in Wuhan,” the Chinese city where the disease first hit, but he did not provide details.
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Not anyone around here is saying the virus is man made, and for arguments sake....what IF we (the USA) have found a lab engineered marker. You are speaking as if you sequenced it yourself and have seen the results.RedFromMI wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 8:48 pmThey are gaslighting. The genetic signatures of the disease would have significant differences if engineered - and their is no sign of that. They just want you to think it came as a release from the lab so Trump can have an "anti-China because of the coronovirus" take to sell to the electorate, which is amazing considering all the sucking up he was doing in the first quarter of this year because he was afraid of angering Xi and getting his precious trade deal done.youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 8:30 pm Who wants to bet that Trump already knows the answer to where it started and how it can be linked back to the 3.7mm funding the BHO admin sent to Wuhan U for study?
Asked last week whether he's seen evidence that would suggest the virus originated in the lab, Trump replied: “Yes, I have.” But he said “I'm not allowed to tell you that” when pressed on what the evidence looked like. Pompeo on Sunday told ABC News that there was an “enormous” and “significant amount of evidence that this came from that laboratory in Wuhan,” the Chinese city where the disease first hit, but he did not provide details.
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Performance Review: Trump/Party of Death vs. South Korea
South Korea (Gold Standard Response to Coronavirus):
Total cases: 10,810
Total deaths: 256
New cases: 4
New deaths: 1
Trump/Republican Party of Death (Sh*t Standard Response to Coronavirus):
Total cases: 1,263,092
Total deaths: 74,799
New cases: 25,459
New deaths: 2,528
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
Both nations had their first confirmed cases on the same day.
South Korea reacted like the emergency that it was.
Trump lied, downplayed the seriousness of the pandemic, and did nothing for more than six weeks.
The results speak for themselves.
This is what happens when you put an incompetent, ignorant, lying moron like Trump in the White House.
We’re headed to well over 100,000 coronavirus deaths. Trump and those who continue to support him are morally culpable for all of those preventable deaths.
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Total cases: 10,810
Total deaths: 256
New cases: 4
New deaths: 1
Trump/Republican Party of Death (Sh*t Standard Response to Coronavirus):
Total cases: 1,263,092
Total deaths: 74,799
New cases: 25,459
New deaths: 2,528
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
Both nations had their first confirmed cases on the same day.
South Korea reacted like the emergency that it was.
Trump lied, downplayed the seriousness of the pandemic, and did nothing for more than six weeks.
The results speak for themselves.
This is what happens when you put an incompetent, ignorant, lying moron like Trump in the White House.
We’re headed to well over 100,000 coronavirus deaths. Trump and those who continue to support him are morally culpable for all of those preventable deaths.
DocBarrister
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Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
or if it is so highly transmissible partly because so many are asymptomatic. did you see my link on prisons? thousands. 95% asymptomatic. who are you going to "target"?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 7:42 pmYeah, I just don't read "targeted" as "all".wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 6:32 pm i guess you are welcome to assume that what he writes isn't what he means, really.
i happen to think he's correct. that to have really effective testing (and contact tracing) as a prime weapon, as opposed to a secondary one, we need those kind of numbers.
however, i also think we are nowhere near capable of getting them.
I do think what he's suggesting is way, way more testing than we have in the pipeline at this point.
I read him as saying to scale the heck up America.
Get with it NOW.
The rollout of this effort needs to begin with, in addition to known symptomatic cases, medical and other first responders, senior care, etc test and trace. Add to that essential workers in congregated work conditions, test and trace with some regularity. Add to that other high count situations, where lots of different people come into contact with potential spreaders...test and trace...
Layer this up as capacity increases.
Meanwhile, we need to do all the other best practices.
The only justification not to do an enormous effort to scale testing is if we think this going to magically go away.
btw, c cuomo is on yelling testing, testing, tracing, testing and puts gupta on to put a number on it and he says 20 m per day. good luck!
the virus has evolved or we just didn't see it clearly enough. spreaders are everywhere. heard quite a while ago biggest shedding time is right before or just as symptoms arrive. i guess they meant if there are any.
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South Korea Opening Up Economy, Too
Like the United States, South Korea is starting to open up their economy.
What was one of the criteria used by the South Korean government to justify opening up their economy? They required new daily cases to remain under 50 for an extended period. Yes, 50 new cases or less each day in a country of more than 50 million. High standard ... and they succeeded in meeting it (28 days and counting). That in a country with much greater interaction with (and exposure to) China than the United States.
https://www.vox.com/2020/5/3/21245594/s ... cing-relax
Meanwhile, the United States is routinely recording more than 25,000 new cases daily (and over 2,000 deaths routinely) and Trump still wants to open up the economy.
Of course, South Korea doesn’t have 60 million people stupid enough to vote for Donald Trump.
So, in that light, we’re probably doing about as well as can be expected.
DocBarrister
What was one of the criteria used by the South Korean government to justify opening up their economy? They required new daily cases to remain under 50 for an extended period. Yes, 50 new cases or less each day in a country of more than 50 million. High standard ... and they succeeded in meeting it (28 days and counting). That in a country with much greater interaction with (and exposure to) China than the United States.
https://www.vox.com/2020/5/3/21245594/s ... cing-relax
Meanwhile, the United States is routinely recording more than 25,000 new cases daily (and over 2,000 deaths routinely) and Trump still wants to open up the economy.
Of course, South Korea doesn’t have 60 million people stupid enough to vote for Donald Trump.
So, in that light, we’re probably doing about as well as can be expected.
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There are 29,413,039 corporations in America; but only one Chairman of the Board.
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That was the plan all along- shelter in place, “flatten the curve” Make sure there are beds available in hospitals.ChairmanOfTheBoard wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 7:10 am https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/06/ny-gov- ... -home.html
The US has largely done that.
Essential workers have gotten it and developed herd immunity. It’s time for those who were staying home
to get it.
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AP Exclusive: Admin shelves CDC guide to reopening country
https://apnews.com/7a00d5fba3249e573d2ead4bd323a4d4
A set of detailed documents created by the nation’s top disease investigators meant to give step-by-step advice to local leaders deciding when and how to reopen public places such as mass transit, day care centers and restaurants during the still-raging pandemic has been shelved by the Trump administration.
https://apnews.com/7a00d5fba3249e573d2ead4bd323a4d4
A set of detailed documents created by the nation’s top disease investigators meant to give step-by-step advice to local leaders deciding when and how to reopen public places such as mass transit, day care centers and restaurants during the still-raging pandemic has been shelved by the Trump administration.
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Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 4:35 pm So what she is spouting is not telling anyone to do anything. It isn’t espousing any answers, but It is a different perspective, that questions the voracity of what WHO and CDC are saying and questions a lot of what the mainstream media is saying.
Why does it keep getting axed? Across many platforms? That is also the troubling part.
What's the deal with this video being deleted? I watched it; it isn't offensive in any manner whatsoever. What is the deal?
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Fair argument. Indeed, if we test enough to find that huge % of people have previously contracted and were asymptomatic, and we find that they cannot re-contract and become carriers again, we can slow down testing as a key measure.wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 9:53 pmor if it is so highly transmissible partly because so many are asymptomatic. did you see my link on prisons? thousands. 95% asymptomatic. who are you going to "target"?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 7:42 pmYeah, I just don't read "targeted" as "all".wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 6:32 pm i guess you are welcome to assume that what he writes isn't what he means, really.
i happen to think he's correct. that to have really effective testing (and contact tracing) as a prime weapon, as opposed to a secondary one, we need those kind of numbers.
however, i also think we are nowhere near capable of getting them.
I do think what he's suggesting is way, way more testing than we have in the pipeline at this point.
I read him as saying to scale the heck up America.
Get with it NOW.
The rollout of this effort needs to begin with, in addition to known symptomatic cases, medical and other first responders, senior care, etc test and trace. Add to that essential workers in congregated work conditions, test and trace with some regularity. Add to that other high count situations, where lots of different people come into contact with potential spreaders...test and trace...
Layer this up as capacity increases.
Meanwhile, we need to do all the other best practices.
The only justification not to do an enormous effort to scale testing is if we think this going to magically go away.
btw, c cuomo is on yelling testing, testing, tracing, testing and puts gupta on to put a number on it and he says 20 m per day. good luck!
the virus has evolved or we just didn't see it clearly enough. spreaders are everywhere. heard quite a while ago biggest shedding time is right before or just as symptoms arrive. i guess they meant if there are any.
But yeah, we COULD do 20 million tests per day if we really wanted to do so.
I don't see that as necessary for targeted, more like 5 million.
Of course, what matters is for the virus to be beaten down to a lower level in order to make that possible.
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Have essential workers actually developed 'herd immunity'?kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 8:08 amThat was the plan all along- shelter in place, “flatten the curve” Make sure there are beds available in hospitals.ChairmanOfTheBoard wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 7:10 am https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/06/ny-gov- ... -home.html
The US has largely done that.
Essential workers have gotten it and developed herd immunity. It’s time for those who were staying home
to get it.
Could you provide some data on that?
I read this a little differently.
Sounds to me that despite trying to stay away from the virus some folks haven't been able to completely do so and it has sent them into the hospital, some to die.
What will happen when all those start actually not trying to stay away?
The demographic data appears to suggest that where the virus has struck hardest among those attempting to stay away is in communities with high % of essential workers who bring it home or into their proximate, dense communities. Lower income workers especially.
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Guess experts knew at the start that only 100K would die. And it would only last 7 months. Why worry?
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You didn’t answer a simple question.6ftstick wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 9:11 amGuess experts knew at the start that only 100K would die. And it would only last 7 months. Why worry?
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Let me help you, 6ft.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 9:16 amYou didn’t answer a simple question.6ftstick wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 9:11 amGuess experts knew at the start that only 100K would die. And it would only last 7 months. Why worry?
That pandemic looked and felt like a bad flu, something that varies year to year, but is pretty darn inevitably going to come and go.
It turned out to be worse than just a bad flu, 1.5-3X worse.
But no real risk of overwhelmed hospital systems.
This one had clear dynamics that were way, way worse.
Much faster spread, much more deadly fast.
That was obvious out of the gate, at least if you were listening to the scientists, watching what was happening in Wuhan.
And weren't trying desperately to ignore it. Ostrich.
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And there were no "flu" tests available in 1969. So a lot of the determination of the depth of the problem were after the fact - looking at excess mortality.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 9:34 amLet me help you, 6ft.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 9:16 amYou didn’t answer a simple question.6ftstick wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 9:11 amGuess experts knew at the start that only 100K would die. And it would only last 7 months. Why worry?
That pandemic looked and felt like a bad flu, something that varies year to year, but is pretty darn inevitably going to come and go.
It turned out to be worse than just a bad flu, 1.5-3X worse.
But no real risk of overwhelmed hospital systems.
This one had clear dynamics that were way, way worse.
Much faster spread, much more deadly fast.
That was obvious out of the gate, at least if you were listening to the scientists, watching what was happening in Wuhan.
And weren't trying desperately to ignore it. Ostrich.