All things Chinese CoronaVirus

[Kismet]

“The line between disorder and order lies in logistics…”
– Sun Tzu

Guess who is currently in charge of logistics?
Jared Kushner.

We're totally effed.

[tech37]

“The line between disorder and order lies in logistics…”
– Sun Tzu

Guess who is currently in charge of logistics?
Jared Kushner.

We're totally effed.

I wouldn't quote anyone who's Chinese right now. Not unless it's an apology.

[ardilla secreta]

Three Russian Doctors Treating The Coronavirus Have Fallen Out Of Windows In Just Over A Week
No, no. It was accident. They all slipped on a banana peel. Very coincidental.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ch ... oronavirus

[cradleandshoot]

Three Russian Doctors Treating The Coronavirus Have Fallen Out Of Windows In Just Over A Week
No, no. It was accident. They all slipped on a banana peel. Very coincidental.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ch ... oronavirus

Not uncommon, bananas are very popular in Russia I hear.

[wgdsr]

Three Russian Doctors Treating The Coronavirus Have Fallen Out Of Windows In Just Over A Week
No, no. It was accident. They all slipped on a banana peel. Very coincidental.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ch ... oronavirus

2nd floor? what is that, 14-15 feet? who are these amateurs?

[cradleandshoot]

Three Russian Doctors Treating The Coronavirus Have Fallen Out Of Windows In Just Over A Week
No, no. It was accident. They all slipped on a banana peel. Very coincidental.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ch ... oronavirus

2nd floor? what is that, 14-15 feet? who are these amateurs?

[ardilla secreta]

I once went to a Russian doctor. He told me to stand in front of the window and stick out my tongue. When I asked why, he said he didn’t like the doctor across the street?

[cradleandshoot]

I once went to a Russian doctor. He told me to stand in front of the window and stick out my tongue. When I asked why, he said he didn’t like the doctor across the street?

Let me guess, you will be here all night? Damn you guys from Buffalo sure are funny.

[Kismet]

“The line between disorder and order lies in logistics…”
– Sun Tzu

Guess who is currently in charge of logistics?
Jared Kushner.

We're totally effed.

I wouldn't quote anyone who's Chinese right now. Not unless it's an apology.

Nice retort but only if Kushner also agrees to do the same.

[njbill]

Is it too soon to blame trump ?

No. Trump should have banned travel from Europe (and the rest of the world) to the US when he banned (some, by no means all) travel from China.

And he should have solved our illegal immigrant problem by arresting and jailing anyone who employs an illegal immigrant, knowingly or unknowingly. Way cheaper than a wall (which still doesn't exist).

To quote Ann Coulter, we have a gutless president in a wallless country. And now our country is overrun by a foreign virus.

Heck of a job Trumpie.

Random thought, I bet Joey fingers would love to get a sniff of Ann Coulters hair.

Ugh. Not Ann Coulter. Please, can we go back to talking about tech’s 80 year old Swedish girlfriend?

[youthathletics]

Worth the 4 minute break:

[MDlaxfan76]

I honestly thought that the fact that we were staying at home to make life easier for cops, nurses, doctors, FD, etc. would have made the American right wing more than happy to stay home.

Especially considering that they signed up for the Patriot Act, surrendered some of their rights, and allowed more surveillance from the Government and a secret court with zero hesitation.

Boy, was I wrong.

Problem is - these are not the right wing people you are referring to. It is a whole 'nother crowd including various extremists who are taking advantage of the situation and who are on a different mission.

A subsection of the far right, true.

And there's some far lefties out this way that are of the same mind.....the anti-vaxxers.

More confirmation that the far left and the far right meet....and the political spectrum is a circle, not a straight line.

yes, the anti-vaxxers are made up of whack jobs from both the left and the right. Strange bunch.

[a fan]

“The line between disorder and order lies in logistics…”
– Sun Tzu

Guess who is currently in charge of logistics?
Jared Kushner.

We're totally effed.

I wouldn't quote anyone who's Chinese right now. Not unless it's an apology.

Nice laugh from that quip, well done....

[CU77]

Random thought, I bet Joey fingers would love to get a sniff of Ann Coulters hair.

Trump would just grab her p****.

She's explicitly said that she'd like to marry for money. Bet Trump could get a piece without the marrying part if he put enough cash in the unsealed envelope.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Random thought, I bet Joey fingers would love to get a sniff of Ann Coulters hair.

Trump would just grab her p****.

She's explicitly said that she'd like to marry for money. Bet Trump could get a piece without the marrying part if he put enough cash in the unsealed envelope.

Fishy

[tech37]

“The line between disorder and order lies in logistics…”
– Sun Tzu

Guess who is currently in charge of logistics?
Jared Kushner.

We're totally effed.

I wouldn't quote anyone who's Chinese right now. Not unless it's an apology.

Nice laugh from that quip, well done....

[old salt]

Watch the hysterics on MSNBC as they make their case that the sky is falling, as they tell us that Trump is unlocking the country.

Their problem -- the only metric they're citing is total number of cases, which will continue to increase as we continue to increase testing.

My key metrics for judging the spread are : (1) numbers of deaths (excluding nursing homes & other "captive" populations), (2) # of acute care hospitalizations & (3) # of ICU beds in use. The data we see today are reflective of infections 2-3 wks ago.

Here in MD, my key metrics have plateaued & held steady for over a week now. We're seeing the delayed effect of the lockdown, as predicted. lagging the plateau & decline seen in NYC metro, just as we lagged the increase, as the virus moved along the NE corridor from NYC.

Remember -- the goal of the lockdown was to flatten the curve before it peaked & to plateau at a level that does not overwhelm the hospitals.
We weren't sold a lockdown until there's a vaccine & no risk to we the vulnerable.

[ChairmanOfTheBoard]

mutations? https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/05/the-cor ... finds.html

[Peter Brown]

Watch the hysterics on MSNBC as they make their case that the sky is falling, as they tell us that Trump is unlocking the country.

Their problem -- the only metric they're citing is total number of cases, which will continue to increase as we continue to increase testing.

My key metrics for judging the spread are : (1) numbers of deaths (excluding nursing homes & other "captive" populations), (2) # of acute care hospitalizations & (3) # of ICU beds in use. The data we see today are reflective of infections 2-3 wks ago.

Here in MD, my key metrics have plateaued & held steady for over a week now. We're seeing the delayed effect of the lockdown, as predicted. lagging the plateau & decline seen in NYC metro, just as we lagged the increase, as the virus moved along the NE corridor from NYC.

Remember -- the goal of the lockdown was to flatten the curve before it peaked & to plateau at a level that does not overwhelm the hospitals.
We weren't sold a lockdown until there's a vaccine & no risk to we the vulnerable.

Vaccine will be here by September. This virus attacks mostly the elderly and frail, and anyone with a compromised immune or breathing system. Everyone else can go back to work with tiny risk, no greater than a flu.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/05/heal ... virus.html

Back to work!!

[seacoaster]

Opinion article from Lawrence Summers in the Post:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... story.html

"When it comes to crafting foreign policy, designing anti-poverty programs or implementing measures to combat climate change, economists have an understandable tendency to feel as though the economic aspects of the debate receive short shrift. The opposite is true when it comes to the pandemic. If anything, the United States is in danger of overemphasizing the impact of the crisis on the economy — and massively underinvesting in the health measures that are ultimately most important.

We are embarked on a policy path of opening things up without major complementary measures, an approach based more on wishful thinking than on logic or evidence. In guidance issued last month, the Trump administration stated this relaxation should only begin when the number of new cases daily had declined for 14 days. This criterion has not been met for the country as a whole or in many states, yet reopening has begun.

A simple calculation illustrates why this path is so dangerous. The most important parameter for understanding an epidemic is what epidemiologists label R0 (R-nought) — the number of people infected by a single individual with the virus. If R0 is greater than 1, an epidemic explodes; if it is less than 1, it diminishes and eventually ceases to be a problem. Experts estimate that before lockdown R0 was about 2.5, which is why lockdown was necessary. They now estimate, in part because case counts have been stable, that R0 is a bit below 1 — perhaps 0.9 or, on an optimistic view, 0.8.

Basic but grim arithmetic implies that if we move from lockdown even 20 percent of the way back to normal life, the epidemic will again be potentially explosive. (For example, if we are currently at an R0 of 0.9, and assuming that the R0 without any distancing is 2.5, then returning to 20 percent of normal would take the R0 to 1.22, clearly in the danger zone.) This is very worrying as the president and many other political leaders seem to be encouraging substantial reversals in lockdown policies.

It’s conceivable this will work out, at least in the short run. For a few months, summer heat and humidity may reduce transmissibility. The virus may mutate in benign ways. The population that has not yet been infected may be less susceptible on average to the virus and less contagious when they catch it.

But don’t count on it; hope is not a strategy. These factors have been operating in recent weeks, and yet R0 has remained stubbornly close to 1. That suggests it is unlikely that any of these factors are significant enough to change the basic conclusion: Substantial opening up without new measures to reduce transmission is likely to unleash major new waves of disease, sooner or later.

Some might believe this is a price worth paying for the economic benefits the country would reap. After all, on a rough estimate covid-19 is reducing the gross domestic product by 20 percent — $80 billion dollars a week. The problem is that the main constraint on economic activity is not mandatory lockdowns. Rather, whatever is technically permitted, people will be reluctant to resume normal behavior for fear of being infected. The likely result: a resurgent pandemic, dramatically lowered economic activity, or both simultaneously.

Moreover, this economic slowdown is a price we do not have to pay. We could substantially reduce transmission, save lives and permit the safe acceleration of reopening — if we are willing to commit the necessary resources. These would be small compared to the economic damage the virus is wreaking and the amounts we are paying to try to compensate for the losses.

The most promising strategy is establishing a system of pervasive targeted testing. If we were able to identify individuals who have potentially been infected, then quarantine those who test positive, we could substantially reduce the transmission rate. Suppose this required testing every American every week and that each test cost $20. (Both are pessimistic assumptions.) The $6.6 billion price tag would be less than one-tenth of the weekly cost of the Cares Act.

Similarly, investments in contact tracers for those who identified with covid-19 would have an extraordinarily high return. Suppose the total cost of a contact tracer is $400 daily, and that 300,000 tracers are needed to follow up on all newly discovered positive cases. The cost would only be $600 million a week, less than 1 percent of the cost of the Cares Act.

The same kinds of calculations make the case for much more spending on masks, on potential therapies and on pursuing production of plausible but still unproven vaccine candidates.

Amounts of money that are small compared to the economic losses we are suffering are immense relative to battling the virus. They should be the first priority going forward."