All things Chinese CoronaVirus

[a fan]

I honestly thought that the fact that we were staying at home to make life easier for cops, nurses, doctors, FD, etc. would have made the American right wing more than happy to stay home.

Especially considering that they signed up for the Patriot Act, surrendered some of their rights, and allowed more surveillance from the Government and a secret court with zero hesitation.

Boy, was I wrong.

[old salt]

Anyone else remember when America was a World Leader?

May 4, 2020 at 2:53 p.m. EDT
LONDON — World leaders came together in a virtual summit Monday to pledge billions of dollars to quickly develop vaccines and drugs to fight the coronavirus.

Missing from the roster was the Trump administration, which declined to participate...

The online conference, led by European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen and a half-dozen countries, was set to raise $8.2 billion from governments, philanthropies and the private sector to fund research and mass-produce drugs, vaccines and testing kits to combat the virus, which has killed more than 250,000 people worldwide.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/eu ... story.html

Yeah. When the rest of the world had their hands in our pockets to fund their favorite corrupt scams.

[Kismet]

I honestly thought that the fact that we were staying at home to make life easier for cops, nurses, doctors, FD, etc. would have made the American right wing more than happy to stay home.

Especially considering that they signed up for the Patriot Act, surrendered some of their rights, and allowed more surveillance from the Government and a secret court with zero hesitation.

Boy, was I wrong.

Problem is - these are not the right wing people you are referring to. It is a whole 'nother crowd including various extremists who are taking advantage of the situation and who are on a different mission.

We should all be worried when Hannity has to beg people on his show to not bring weapons and dress in tactical gear to protest.

Next step for DOPUS is to dismantle the Pence task force and keep Jared's shadow scam group intact to "deal" with the crisis. That will produce a very profitable outcome for Jared and his pals who can continue to profiteer off the crisis without any oversight.

[Typical Lax Dad]

I was dating a Swedish woman in mid-eighties who had dual-citizenship.

She was in her mid-80s or was it in the mid-1980s?

Geez you guys...see if I post another anecdote after this!... in the, not in her...got that wsdgr?

I thought you were after “low hanging” fruit!

[old salt]

A mutant coronavirus has emerged, even more contagious than the original, study says https://www.latimes.com/california/stor ... n-original

Scientists have identified a new strain of the coronavirus that has become dominant worldwide and appears to be more contagious than the versions that spread in the early days of the COVID-19 pandemic, according to a new study led by scientists at Los Alamos National Laboratory.

The new strain appeared in February in Europe, migrated quickly to the East Coast of the United States and has been the dominant strain across the world since mid-March, the scientists wrote.


Wherever the new strain appeared, it quickly infected far more people than the earlier strains that came out of Wuhan, China, and within weeks it was the only strain that was prevalent in some nations, according to the report. The new strain’s dominance over its predecessors demonstrates that it is more infectious, according to the report, though exactly why is not yet known.

The coronavirus, known to scientists as SARS-CoV-2, has infected more than 3.5 million people around the world and caused more than 250,000 COVID-19 deaths since its discovery late last year.

This may help account for why Europe & the US E coast have been hit harder than Asia & the US W coast.

[RedFromMI]

A mutant coronavirus has emerged, even more contagious than the original, study says https://www.latimes.com/california/stor ... n-original

Scientists have identified a new strain of the coronavirus that has become dominant worldwide and appears to be more contagious than the versions that spread in the early days of the COVID-19 pandemic, according to a new study led by scientists at Los Alamos National Laboratory.

The new strain appeared in February in Europe, migrated quickly to the East Coast of the United States and has been the dominant strain across the world since mid-March, the scientists wrote.


Wherever the new strain appeared, it quickly infected far more people than the earlier strains that came out of Wuhan, China, and within weeks it was the only strain that was prevalent in some nations, according to the report. The new strain’s dominance over its predecessors demonstrates that it is more infectious, according to the report, though exactly why is not yet known.

The coronavirus, known to scientists as SARS-CoV-2, has infected more than 3.5 million people around the world and caused more than 250,000 COVID-19 deaths since its discovery late last year.

This may help account for why Europe & the US E coast have been hit harder than Asia & the US W coast.

Actually, since that article was published, there have been references in my Twitter feed from epidemiologists who say there is actually no evidence the differing strain is any more virulent.

I think personally a lot of the difference in how hard it hit certain areas have to do with a combination of (good/bad) luck, which population got hit first (Hasidic Jews in NYC did not help due to their close knit community), and the fact that asymptomatic carriers essentially seeded the disease in those bad luck places.

[youthathletics]

A mutant coronavirus has emerged, even more contagious than the original, study says https://www.latimes.com/california/stor ... n-original

Scientists have identified a new strain of the coronavirus that has become dominant worldwide and appears to be more contagious than the versions that spread in the early days of the COVID-19 pandemic, according to a new study led by scientists at Los Alamos National Laboratory.

The new strain appeared in February in Europe, migrated quickly to the East Coast of the United States and has been the dominant strain across the world since mid-March, the scientists wrote.


Wherever the new strain appeared, it quickly infected far more people than the earlier strains that came out of Wuhan, China, and within weeks it was the only strain that was prevalent in some nations, according to the report. The new strain’s dominance over its predecessors demonstrates that it is more infectious, according to the report, though exactly why is not yet known.

The coronavirus, known to scientists as SARS-CoV-2, has infected more than 3.5 million people around the world and caused more than 250,000 COVID-19 deaths since its discovery late last year.

This may help account for why Europe & the US E coast have been hit harder than Asia & the US W coast.

Is it too soon to blame trump ? Asking for MD and TLD

[seacoaster]

Amateur Hour with Prince Jared?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... jvs2h4IfNQ

“The complaint, obtained by The Washington Post, was submitted by a volunteer who has since left the group and who spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of retribution from the administration. Key elements of the complaint were confirmed by six administration officials and one outside adviser to the effort, many of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations.”

A spokeswoman for the oversight panel declined to comment.

The document alleges that the team responsible for PPE had little success in helping the government secure such equipment, in part because none of the team’s members had significant experience in health care, procurement or supply-chain operations. In addition, none of the volunteers had existing relationships with manufacturers or a clear understanding of customs requirements or Food and Drug Administration rules, according to the complaint and two senior administration officials.

“Americans are facing a crisis of tragic proportions and there is an urgent need for an effective, efficient and bold response,” reads the complaint, which was sent to the committee on April 8. “From my few weeks as a volunteer, I believe we are falling short. I am writing to alert my representatives of these challenges and to ask that they do everything possible to help front-line health-care workers and other Americans in need.”
Supply-chain volunteers were instructed to fast-track protective equipment leads from “VIPs,” including conservative journalists friendly to the White House, according to the complaint and one senior administration official.
“Fox & Friends” host Brian Kilmeade, for example, called two people he knew in the administration to pass along a lead about protective equipment in an effort to be helpful, according to two people familiar with the outreach. Fox News Channel host Jeanine Pirro also repeatedly lobbied the administration for a specific New York hospital to receive a large quantity of masks, one of the people said.“

[CU77]

I honestly thought that the fact that we were staying at home to make life easier for cops, nurses, doctors, FD, etc. would have made the American right wing more than happy to stay home.

Especially considering that they signed up for the Patriot Act, surrendered some of their rights, and allowed more surveillance from the Government and a secret court with zero hesitation.

Boy, was I wrong.

I'm not surprised at all. The fundamental motivation of the right is to have their little cabal (mostly white guys like them, but the occasional black or brown person is OK, provided they stay in their place, because they're not prejudiced you know) have the power to do whatever the f*** they want, everyone else (=libruls) be damned. And reality is twisted to match their wants. So, the virus won't kill them, because it's a librul conspiracy. The docs and police and nurses should continue doing their jobs, because there's no danger.

They don't believe they've surrendered any rights. The secret court won't turn on THEM, because they're patriots. And if it does (when say Obama is in power), they will grab their guns and head to the hills to defend their turf, Bundy style. It's fun!!!

[MDlaxfan76]

A mutant coronavirus has emerged, even more contagious than the original, study says https://www.latimes.com/california/stor ... n-original

Scientists have identified a new strain of the coronavirus that has become dominant worldwide and appears to be more contagious than the versions that spread in the early days of the COVID-19 pandemic, according to a new study led by scientists at Los Alamos National Laboratory.

The new strain appeared in February in Europe, migrated quickly to the East Coast of the United States and has been the dominant strain across the world since mid-March, the scientists wrote.


Wherever the new strain appeared, it quickly infected far more people than the earlier strains that came out of Wuhan, China, and within weeks it was the only strain that was prevalent in some nations, according to the report. The new strain’s dominance over its predecessors demonstrates that it is more infectious, according to the report, though exactly why is not yet known.

The coronavirus, known to scientists as SARS-CoV-2, has infected more than 3.5 million people around the world and caused more than 250,000 COVID-19 deaths since its discovery late last year.

This may help account for why Europe & the US E coast have been hit harder than Asia & the US W coast.

Is it too soon to blame trump ? Asking for MD and TLD

For what? The China travel ban?

Seriously, I don't know what you might think is new here?
Or what is being said somehow reduces Trump's culpability for incompetence and lying?

Does it matter whether the virus came to the US directly from China (ala Seattle) or from Europe (ala NY) or whether the virus was more or less infectious or more or less deadly? We knew it was infectious, we knew it was deadly, and we knew it couldn't be contained in China...everything that came after that point can be weighed as to "Trump's fault" or not.

Dr. Rick Bright...

of course the task force should be disbanded...

[RedFromMI]

Lockdown Is a Blunt Tool. We Have a Sharper One.

Contact tracing helps people to protect themselves and their families.

By Tom Frieden and Kelly Henning

Dr. Frieden is a former director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Dr. Henning is director of public health at Bloomberg Philanthropies.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/05/opin ... acing.html

We’ve been dealt a bad hand with the coronavirus pandemic. Until we have a vaccine or effective treatment, we have limited tools to fight it. Closing large segments of our society and having people shelter at home is a blunt tool that works, but it inflicts severe hardship on individuals and the economy.

We have a sharper tool, the four-cornered Box It In strategy, to stop chains of transmission by widespread testing, isolation of cases, contact tracing and quarantine of contacts. It works, but it doesn’t work perfectly. Some say it’s hopeless to even try contact tracing on this scale. But contact tracing can work — if we do it right. Some states, like New York, Massachusetts and California, are moving quickly to expand these services.

Rest of editorial is detail on how and why it can work.

For those of you who keep asking how can we begin to relax the stay-at-home situation...

[CU77]

Is it too soon to blame trump ?

No. Trump should have banned travel from Europe (and the rest of the world) to the US when he banned (some, by no means all) travel from China.

And he should have solved our illegal immigrant problem by arresting and jailing anyone who employs an illegal immigrant, knowingly or unknowingly. Way cheaper than a wall (which still doesn't exist).

To quote Ann Coulter, we have a gutless president in a wallless country. And now our country is overrun by a foreign virus.

Heck of a job Trumpie.

[tech37]

I was dating a Swedish woman in mid-eighties who had dual-citizenship.

She was in her mid-80s or was it in the mid-1980s?

Geez you guys...see if I post another anecdote after this!... in the, not in her...got that wsdgr?

I thought you were after “low hanging” fruit!

[wgdsr]

Sweden

London coronavirus model predicted 40,000 dead by May 1.

100,000 dead by June 1.

2680 dead to date——no forced mitigation or forced social distancing.

Whoopsie

Total forking bullshirt from you Six. How about some real data/discussion instead of your moronic garbage.

First, Univ London numbers you cite assumed no measures employed. Sweden has employed a LOT of measures. Just slightly less than what its Nordic peer countries employed. And the Swedes follow rules -- so the SD has been implemented on a voluntary vs. mandatory basis. But it still has been implemented. By some measures, travel in Sweden is down 90% for example.

So your post is as insightful as saying "if the queen had b*lls she'd be king." Are you ignorant or just trolling?

Sweden is up to 283 deaths per million. Spain, Italy, UK are higher. USA is lower. Denmark (87), Finland (44), Norway(40) much lower. UW projects 10k deaths for Sweden, which would work out to be 1,000 per million for Sweden. So Sweden is doing really bad on the death toll. They really really screwed up on protecting their elderly. But they kept elementary schools open and lessened the hit to the economy a bit.

But it is only halftime. TBD if/when herd immunity might kick in for Sweden. TBD what spikes lock down countries experience as they open up. Could be that somewhat opened up countries will all eventually look like Sweden.

Also recognize that Sweden is working with pretty good demographics. Lower pop density than Italy, Spain, UK. Lots of single person households. Generally healthy population who follow orders. That makes their death toll look extra bad at this point. And means that you couldn't use the Swedish plan successfully in other countries with different demos. PEr Goldman Sachs:

“We conclude that Sweden is not particularly suited as a reference point for the coronavirus response of other countries, as our analysis suggests that lower infection rate is likely to reflect in part less testing, while demographic and health-care factors may help explain the fatality rate. In our view, the Swedish experience therefore cannot be extrapolated to support a swift reopening elsewhere. That said, our analysis suggests that Germany could be in a better position to lift containment measures than southern Europe,” they say.

But other than that, great post!!!

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-s ... 2020-05-05

this isn't really accurate, ggait:
https://www.aier.org/article/imperial-c ... s-results/
6ft's numbers seem to come from an uppsala rendering of imperial college's model (after ICL did what they did re: releasing their research, per the article. they seem to have had their 15 minutes) in april, inclusive of what sweden's policies were and have been.
6ft... i'm sure you're not saying that because someone came out with a model that may end up being wrong (surprise), that in our present day situation we shouldn't be searching for solutions and info.
i am also not a huge fan of pandemic models at this point... bill gates-funded ihme just doubled their #s in a major surprise and to major headlines and media coverage in the last 24 hours... sigh. but i am hopeful at least that i can be flexible with them and that they don't do much damage to finding the right solutions... and hopefully actually benefit us in toto.

i don't agree we can't use sweden as a model. we will be sweden very shortly. not exactly so, but enough. of course, someone told trump sweden's doing worse last week, and he thinks telling people over and over we're doing a great job will mean whoever he's trying to convince will believe him... so he rips them... meanwhile, that's us in many respects going forward for a while. i am hopeful their results will teach us good lessons.

ya, there's no perfect match for demographics, behavior... but policies and trends? that could work for us. particularly if it keeps looking like sweden might beat the naysayers. next 2 weeks there will say a lot. they had a very good week last week.

[cradleandshoot]

Is it too soon to blame trump ?

No. Trump should have banned travel from Europe (and the rest of the world) to the US when he banned (some, by no means all) travel from China.

And he should have solved our illegal immigrant problem by arresting and jailing anyone who employs an illegal immigrant, knowingly or unknowingly. Way cheaper than a wall (which still doesn't exist).

To quote Ann Coulter, we have a gutless president in a wallless country. And now our country is overrun by a foreign virus.

Heck of a job Trumpie.

Random thought, I bet Joey fingers would love to get a sniff of Ann Coulters hair.

[wgdsr]

Lockdown Is a Blunt Tool. We Have a Sharper One.

Contact tracing helps people to protect themselves and their families.

By Tom Frieden and Kelly Henning

Dr. Frieden is a former director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Dr. Henning is director of public health at Bloomberg Philanthropies.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/05/opin ... acing.html

We’ve been dealt a bad hand with the coronavirus pandemic. Until we have a vaccine or effective treatment, we have limited tools to fight it. Closing large segments of our society and having people shelter at home is a blunt tool that works, but it inflicts severe hardship on individuals and the economy.

We have a sharper tool, the four-cornered Box It In strategy, to stop chains of transmission by widespread testing, isolation of cases, contact tracing and quarantine of contacts. It works, but it doesn’t work perfectly. Some say it’s hopeless to even try contact tracing on this scale. But contact tracing can work — if we do it right. Some states, like New York, Massachusetts and California, are moving quickly to expand these services.

Rest of editorial is detail on how and why it can work.

For those of you who keep asking how can we begin to relax the stay-at-home situation...

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32119825/

sorry, i'm out of the testing, contact tracing camp.
rO i think down the line will be found to be somewhere between 4 and 6 (this article talks just as high as 3.5).
asymptomatic transmission is through the roof (this article talks about minor amounts).

it can help some, but it isn't a panacea. and is a huge investment. don't see it.

nursing homes, assisted living facilities. healthcare workers. get them all the ppe and tests they need to be lockdown safe. put some policies with meat on them for elder care facilities in particular. some financial help for disability/comorbidities if they need/want to stay away from dangerous work environment. social distancing stays in appropriate measures. prophylaxis when they come and therapeutics.

no one is asking me, but where i am for the time being.

[SCLaxAttack]

Ask people to make change a little so we can start getting back to a new normal, and they can't even do that.

"Miami Beach closes park after nearly 7,500 visit without masks amid easing of coronavirus measures"
https://www.foxnews.com/us/miami-beach- ... us-florida

Some people just can't have nice things.

[tech37]

I love how this thread title keeps fluctuating

[a fan]

I honestly thought that the fact that we were staying at home to make life easier for cops, nurses, doctors, FD, etc. would have made the American right wing more than happy to stay home.

Especially considering that they signed up for the Patriot Act, surrendered some of their rights, and allowed more surveillance from the Government and a secret court with zero hesitation.

Boy, was I wrong.

Problem is - these are not the right wing people you are referring to. It is a whole 'nother crowd including various extremists who are taking advantage of the situation and who are on a different mission.

A subsection of the far right, true.

And there's some far lefties out this way that are of the same mind.....the anti-vaxxers.

More confirmation that the far left and the far right meet....and the political spectrum is a circle, not a straight line.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Ask people to make change a little so we can start getting back to a new normal, and they can't even do that.

"Miami Beach closes park after nearly 7,500 visit without masks amid easing of coronavirus measures"
https://www.foxnews.com/us/miami-beach- ... us-florida

Some people just can't have nice things.

Hubris. It’s only going to make things works. Another two weeks and we would have been further down the path to containment. By the time we realize it’s a problem, it’s going to be a bigger problem in more places in the late fall. The rest of the country had a head start on lockdowns. My “belief” is that it takes about 6-8 weeks before there has been enough of a spread for it really to materialize. This last time around, we caught it with people traveling either from abroad or from West to East. It won’t be so easy next time. Trump is hoping he is back in office and it will be someone else’s problem as he coasts downhill and prepare for TV after office. And since we are “opening up” give me back my tax payer money that we just handed out in preparation for the long march.....