2020 Elections - Trump FIRED

[seacoaster]

Well look at this, actual members of the Democratic establishment are now calling on Biden to drop out:

https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/12 ... 65088?s=20

Interesting. Who would get the next nod? Bernie? Or does the Party get a redo and nominate Hillary (who btw, would likely crush Trump...I think).

In any event, I am not sure how Joe survives this. Not when your own establishment start saying drop out. And incidentally, the MSM still hasn't jumped on the story! If they ever do, Joe is toast. lol

Btw, the top hashtag on Twitter right now is #DropOutBiden

Dopey. Read the threads.

[Peter Brown]

Well look at this, actual members of the Democratic establishment are now calling on Biden to drop out:

https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/12 ... 65088?s=20

Interesting. Who would get the next nod? Bernie? Or does the Party get a redo and nominate Hillary (who btw, would likely crush Trump...I think).

In any event, I am not sure how Joe survives this. Not when your own establishment start saying drop out. And incidentally, the MSM still hasn't jumped on the story! If they ever do, Joe is toast. lol

Btw, the top hashtag on Twitter right now is #DropOutBiden

Dopey. Read the threads.

Daou says Biden should withdraw.

[a fan]

You must realize by now that we pay for so many of those bennies you call socialism, in addition to our massive income taxes? College: tuition. Roads: tolls.

There isn't a single public college or university that doesn't receive taxpayer funding. MASSIVE amounts of taxpayer funding.

That said. Guess what? That doesn't matter, and is a game played by those who want to play games and pretend "not paying for something" is the same thing as socialism. If that was true? We would be a 100% socialized society...and do I really have to explain to you what that would be the cases.

Socialism definition (for the 1000th time): when the means of production or service is owned and managed by the State.

Keep government small is the only answer to freedom, happiness, and wealth.

Bzzzzt. Wrong.

Every single 1st world nation has a large, centralized government. There aren't exceptions. What you are describing DOES NOT EXIST.

Man has only succeeded where freedom flourished and where government was not all-powerful.

Bzzzt. Wrong. It's the other way around. Name a dominant society, and I'll show you a strong central government.

Roman Empire ring a bell?

Look at us; the red states are much happier on average than the blues.

Yep. Who wouldn't be happy to takemoney from CA, TX, NY, and IL......and used that money to keep their home taxes low?

You just don't want to hear, but your Senators and Congressmen know better. They know full well that if you cut Medicare, and the rest of the Federal Dole? Your State is F-ed.

As I told you before, all they'd have to do is pass a law that forced Medicare to pay $.90 out for every dollar taken in, and Florida would be 99 different kinds of F-ed.

All I want to know is: who do I have to vote for to cut your State off from all these handouts?

[njbill]

What’s the “new information” he is relying upon? It’s certainly not the Larry King phone call. Doesn’t sound like you have listened to it. It says essentially nothing at all of relevance.

[Peter Brown]

What’s the “new information” he is relying upon? It’s certainly not the Larry King phone call. Doesn’t sound like you have listened to it. It says essentially nothing at all of relevance.

It doesn’t matter anymore what the call says. Now you’ve got an establishment Dem calling on him to resign. And that’s with zero media pressure outside The Intercept!

[njbill]

Yeah, well we’ll see how that goes. Don’t hold your breath, especially when the person doing the “calling” is basing it on nothing of substance.

[seacoaster]

Well look at this, actual members of the Democratic establishment are now calling on Biden to drop out:

https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/12 ... 65088?s=20

Interesting. Who would get the next nod? Bernie? Or does the Party get a redo and nominate Hillary (who btw, would likely crush Trump...I think).

In any event, I am not sure how Joe survives this. Not when your own establishment start saying drop out. And incidentally, the MSM still hasn't jumped on the story! If they ever do, Joe is toast. lol

Btw, the top hashtag on Twitter right now is #DropOutBiden

Dopey. Read the threads.

Daou says Biden should withdraw.

Read more DumDum.

[seacoaster]

Well look at this, actual members of the Democratic establishment are now calling on Biden to drop out:

https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/12 ... 65088?s=20

Interesting. Who would get the next nod? Bernie? Or does the Party get a redo and nominate Hillary (who btw, would likely crush Trump...I think).

In any event, I am not sure how Joe survives this. Not when your own establishment start saying drop out. And incidentally, the MSM still hasn't jumped on the story! If they ever do, Joe is toast. lol

Btw, the top hashtag on Twitter right now is #DropOutBiden

Dopey. Read the threads.

Daou says Biden should withdraw.

Read more DumDum.

[ardilla secreta]

Well look at this, actual members of the Democratic establishment are now calling on Biden to drop out:

https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/12 ... 65088?s=20

Interesting. Who would get the next nod? Bernie? Or does the Party get a redo and nominate Hillary (who btw, would likely crush Trump...I think).

In any event, I am not sure how Joe survives this. Not when your own establishment start saying drop out. And incidentally, the MSM still hasn't jumped on the story! If they ever do, Joe is toast. lol

Btw, the top hashtag on Twitter right now is #DropOutBiden

Dopey. Read the threads.

Daou says Biden should withdraw.

I had no idea Chairman Daou was still around. Holy crap.

[RedFromMI]

What’s the “new information” he is relying upon? It’s certainly not the Larry King phone call. Doesn’t sound like you have listened to it. It says essentially nothing at all of relevance.

It doesn’t matter anymore what the call says. Now you’ve got an establishment Dem calling on him to resign. And that’s with zero media pressure outside The Intercept!

The voice on the phone call is claimed to be the mother of Tara Reade by Tara Reade. The caller is not identified, does not identify her daughter other than she works for a powerful senator, and is very unspecific of "problems".

njbill could weigh in on whether this would even be admissible in any court proceeding (IANAL but it sure does not look like it would be due to the obvious problems with verification).

Twitter can blow up at times by crazies. That is actually what appears to be happening now. But the tags associated with Reade are not even showing up on my feed as trending.

Basing any level of guilt on this is crazy - just not supported by the evidence.

[Peter Brown]

What’s the “new information” he is relying upon? It’s certainly not the Larry King phone call. Doesn’t sound like you have listened to it. It says essentially nothing at all of relevance.

It doesn’t matter anymore what the call says. Now you’ve got an establishment Dem calling on him to resign. And that’s with zero media pressure outside The Intercept!

The voice on the phone call is claimed to be the mother of Tara Reade by Tara Reade. The caller is not identified, does not identify her daughter other than she works for a powerful senator, and is very unspecific of "problems".

njbill could weigh in on whether this would even be admissible in any court proceeding (IANAL but it sure does not look like it would be due to the obvious problems with verification).

Twitter can blow up at times by crazies. That is actually what appears to be happening now. But the tags associated with Reade are not even showing up on my feed as trending.

Basing any level of guilt on this is crazy - just not supported by the evidence.

It is truly and absolutely no joke fascinating to see the Left scramble to justify not paying attention to Biden's accuser but to go all-in on Kavanaugh's. You are doing epic work revealing your Party's fundamental hypocrisy.

[MDlaxfan76]

What’s the “new information” he is relying upon? It’s certainly not the Larry King phone call. Doesn’t sound like you have listened to it. It says essentially nothing at all of relevance.

It doesn’t matter anymore what the call says. Now you’ve got an establishment Dem calling on him to resign. And that’s with zero media pressure outside The Intercept!

The voice on the phone call is claimed to be the mother of Tara Reade by Tara Reade. The caller is not identified, does not identify her daughter other than she works for a powerful senator, and is very unspecific of "problems".

njbill could weigh in on whether this would even be admissible in any court proceeding (IANAL but it sure does not look like it would be due to the obvious problems with verification).

Twitter can blow up at times by crazies. That is actually what appears to be happening now. But the tags associated with Reade are not even showing up on my feed as trending.

Basing any level of guilt on this is crazy - just not supported by the evidence.

It is truly and absolutely no joke fascinating to see the Left scramble to justify not paying attention to Biden's accuser but to go all-in on Kavanaugh's. You are doing epic work revealing your Party's fundamental hypocrisy.

hmmm, seems to me, at least based on what we know so far, is that the epic 'all-in' is the Trumpist Party's rather desperate grasp at anything that could dirty up the opponent. Totally tossing out the window all of their prior, rather lame, defenses of Der Leader's known and admitted behaviors. Much less the weight of so very many accusations by so many women...immensely hypocritical.

I'm certainly not the Left.

[Peter Brown]

What’s the “new information” he is relying upon? It’s certainly not the Larry King phone call. Doesn’t sound like you have listened to it. It says essentially nothing at all of relevance.

It doesn’t matter anymore what the call says. Now you’ve got an establishment Dem calling on him to resign. And that’s with zero media pressure outside The Intercept!

The voice on the phone call is claimed to be the mother of Tara Reade by Tara Reade. The caller is not identified, does not identify her daughter other than she works for a powerful senator, and is very unspecific of "problems".

njbill could weigh in on whether this would even be admissible in any court proceeding (IANAL but it sure does not look like it would be due to the obvious problems with verification).

Twitter can blow up at times by crazies. That is actually what appears to be happening now. But the tags associated with Reade are not even showing up on my feed as trending.

Basing any level of guilt on this is crazy - just not supported by the evidence.

It is truly and absolutely no joke fascinating to see the Left scramble to justify not paying attention to Biden's accuser but to go all-in on Kavanaugh's. You are doing epic work revealing your Party's fundamental hypocrisy.

hmmm, seems to me, at least based on what we know so far, is that the epic 'all-in' is the Trumpist Party's rather desperate grasp at anything that could dirty up the opponent. Totally tossing out the window all of their prior, rather lame, defenses of Der Leader's known and admitted behaviors. Much less the weight of so very many accusations by so many women...immensely hypocritical.

I'm certainly not the Left.

You also aren't too familiar with who is doing the 'dirty work' (which I gather for Joe Biden is the act of exposing someone's past; I am curious, did you call the Left media's takedown of Brett Kavanaugh 'dirty work'?). All of the reporting has been done by independent media like The Intercept and Rolling Stone's Katie Halper.

[MDlaxfan76]

What’s the “new information” he is relying upon? It’s certainly not the Larry King phone call. Doesn’t sound like you have listened to it. It says essentially nothing at all of relevance.

It doesn’t matter anymore what the call says. Now you’ve got an establishment Dem calling on him to resign. And that’s with zero media pressure outside The Intercept!

The voice on the phone call is claimed to be the mother of Tara Reade by Tara Reade. The caller is not identified, does not identify her daughter other than she works for a powerful senator, and is very unspecific of "problems".

njbill could weigh in on whether this would even be admissible in any court proceeding (IANAL but it sure does not look like it would be due to the obvious problems with verification).

Twitter can blow up at times by crazies. That is actually what appears to be happening now. But the tags associated with Reade are not even showing up on my feed as trending.

Basing any level of guilt on this is crazy - just not supported by the evidence.

It is truly and absolutely no joke fascinating to see the Left scramble to justify not paying attention to Biden's accuser but to go all-in on Kavanaugh's. You are doing epic work revealing your Party's fundamental hypocrisy.

hmmm, seems to me, at least based on what we know so far, is that the epic 'all-in' is the Trumpist Party's rather desperate grasp at anything that could dirty up the opponent. Totally tossing out the window all of their prior, rather lame, defenses of Der Leader's known and admitted behaviors. Much less the weight of so very many accusations by so many women...immensely hypocritical.

I'm certainly not the Left.

You also aren't too familiar with who is doing the 'dirty work' (which I gather for Joe Biden is the act of exposing someone's past; I am curious, did you call the Left media's takedown of Brett Kavanaugh 'dirty work'?). All of the reporting has been done by independent media like The Intercept and Rolling Stone's Katie Halper.

Actually, I didn't call either "dirty work"...I said the above.
Read it again. please.

I'm all for the truth about people to be exposed. The "desperate grasp" of the Trumpist Party is the "epic all-in", to "dirty up" their opponent, all while ignoring that they know the accused and admitted behaviors of their candidate, Der Leader.

But perhaps that's exactly the point, they KNOW their candidate's many ugly flaws...and they desperately want to project the notion that the other guy is "bad" too in exactly the same ways.

They KNOW that Trump and the Trump org is immensely, personally corrupt... and so...Hunter Biden.

They KNOW that Trump has been enormously, egregiously bad behaved with women throughout his life, serial cheater, admitted serial assaulter of women, accused rapist....and so..."touchy feely" and now Tara Reade accusation.

Is their actual truth to these allegations? Maybe, maybe not. But it's very obvious what the "desperate grasp" is all about.

[cradleandshoot]

What’s the “new information” he is relying upon? It’s certainly not the Larry King phone call. Doesn’t sound like you have listened to it. It says essentially nothing at all of relevance.

It doesn’t matter anymore what the call says. Now you’ve got an establishment Dem calling on him to resign. And that’s with zero media pressure outside The Intercept!

The voice on the phone call is claimed to be the mother of Tara Reade by Tara Reade. The caller is not identified, does not identify her daughter other than she works for a powerful senator, and is very unspecific of "problems".

njbill could weigh in on whether this would even be admissible in any court proceeding (IANAL but it sure does not look like it would be due to the obvious problems with verification).

Twitter can blow up at times by crazies. That is actually what appears to be happening now. But the tags associated with Reade are not even showing up on my feed as trending.

Basing any level of guilt on this is crazy - just not supported by the evidence.

It is truly and absolutely no joke fascinating to see the Left scramble to justify not paying attention to Biden's accuser but to go all-in on Kavanaugh's. You are doing epic work revealing your Party's fundamental hypocrisy.

hmmm, seems to me, at least based on what we know so far, is that the epic 'all-in' is the Trumpist Party's rather desperate grasp at anything that could dirty up the opponent. Totally tossing out the window all of their prior, rather lame, defenses of Der Leader's known and admitted behaviors. Much less the weight of so very many accusations by so many women...immensely hypocritical.

I'm certainly not the Left.

You also aren't too familiar with who is doing the 'dirty work' (which I gather for Joe Biden is the act of exposing someone's past; I am curious, did you call the Left media's takedown of Brett Kavanaugh 'dirty work'?). All of the reporting has been done by independent media like The Intercept and Rolling Stone's Katie Halper.

Actually, I didn't call either "dirty work"...I said the above.
Read it again. please.

I'm all for the truth about people to be exposed. The "desperate grasp" of the Trumpist Party is the "epic all-in", to "dirty up" their opponent, all while ignoring that they know the accused and admitted behaviors of their candidate, Der Leader.

But perhaps that's exactly the point, they KNOW their candidate's many ugly flaws...and they desperately want to project the notion that the other guy is "bad" too in exactly the same ways.

They KNOW that Trump and the Trump org is immensely, personally corrupt... and so...Hunter Biden.

They KNOW that Trump has been enormously, egregiously bad behaved with women throughout his life, serial cheater, admitted serial assaulter of women, accused rapist....and so..."touchy feely" and now Tara Reade accusation.

Is their actual truth to these allegations? Maybe, maybe not. But it's very obvious what the "desperate grasp" is all about.

"I'm all for the truth about people to be exposed."

The problem is how you define what is the truth to what are allegations that can be made by anybody? You can't when it boils down to he said/she said type of allegations. Biden is now dealing with the same dilemma Kavanaugh had to deal with. How do you defend yourself against allegations that you can't disprove other than saying that you did not do it? What is the answer to that question... "where do you go to get your reputation back"?

[MDlaxfan76]

yes, and certainly a fair question to ask.

Right now, I don't believe the Reade allegation.
But I'm open to the possibility.
If she had contemporaneous back-up, if there were other women with similar descriptions of behavior, etc, it would add weight to that possibility.

Again, like with Kav, whether it has some basis in truth or not, I look at the years of behavior and service since then and look at the total context. In Kav's case, I saw some likely truth, under the influence, but then many years of far different behavior with women. That matters.

I didn't get a vote on whether Kavanaugh should be elevated to the Supreme Court. Had I had such a vote, I'd have said, sorry go back and find another candidate. I don't see someone with the right sense of personal accountability and temperament to be put in that lifelong job. But that doesn't mean he's a bad person today, a great husband, dad, and jurist. Just that the bar can be higher still. At the time I said that all he needed to do for my support would have been to say, yes, in those early days of my life, I drank way too much, with some frequency. I really don't remember this happening, and it horrifies me that it is nevertheless possible. If I hurt Ms Ford or anyone else in that period of my life I am very, very sorry. But I have endeavored in my adult life to treat women with respect, etc, etc. Simple, IMO.

On POTUS, we'll have a choice.
Even if I believed the allegation about Biden to have a kernel of truth ala my view of Kav, it's not remotely akin to Trump's record in this arena.

[cradleandshoot]

yes, and certainly a fair question to ask.

Right now, I don't believe the Reade allegation.
But I'm open to the possibility.
If she had contemporaneous back-up, if there were other women with similar descriptions of behavior, etc, it would add weight to that possibility.

Again, like with Kav, whether it has some basis in truth or not, I look at the years of behavior and service since then and look at the total context. In Kav's case, I saw some likely truth, under the influence, but then many years of far different behavior with women. That matters.

I didn't get a vote on whether Kavanaugh should be elevated to the Supreme Court. Had I had such a vote, I'd have said, sorry go back and find another candidate. I don't see someone with the right sense of personal accountability and temperament to be put in that lifelong job. But that doesn't mean he's a bad person today, a great husband, dad, and jurist. Just that the bar can be higher still. At the time I said that all he needed to do for my support would have been to say, yes, in those early days of my life, I drank way too much, with some frequency. I really don't remember this happening, and it horrifies me that it is nevertheless possible. If I hurt Ms Ford or anyone else in that period of my life I am very, very sorry. But I have endeavored in my adult life to treat women with respect, etc, etc. Simple, IMO.

On POTUS, we'll have a choice.
Even if I believed the allegation about Biden to have a kernel of truth ala my view of Kav, it's not remotely akin to Trump's record in this arena.

I'm sure we both remember back in the olden days when a SCOTUS nominee was any sitting presidents prerogative? Those days are gone. The new normal is every SCOTUS nominee will now ignite WWIII. The new normal is to dig as far back into the nominees background and find any dirt their is. Even if the other side has to lie, cheat or steal to discredit someone they don't like thy will be done. I still remember those protesters standing in front of the Supreme Court building. They all conveniently brought multiple signs on hand to disparage who ever Trump would nominate. They were already to discredit who ever the pick was without even knowing who the pick would be. Is that the way the process should be? Shame and discredit before the candidate has had their day. Hell both parties can play the Merrick Garland game under the new rules, don't even let the nominee have an up or down vote.

Kavanaugh was attacked on this forum viciously for being a liar and sexually assaulting a woman. His demeanor in defending himself was also harshly criticized. What should you do and how should you respond to such accusations? I guess the answer to that is to sit on your hands and meekly defend yourself. i would respond the same way. How would you respond to such allegations MD if you were on national TV and your family was watching? I bet you might get angry as well. You might even respond indignantly to the line of questioning if you knew you did not do it. The new normal for SCOTUS nominations are no longer called hearings. We might better off be calling them mini inquisitions. There has to be a middle ground between finding the truth and just dragging someone through the mud.

[njbill]

Kavanaugh is a done deal. He is on the Supreme Court and isn’t coming off. I guess I can understand why some want to bring up his case to compare it to Biden/Reade, but that doesn’t advance the ball one whit as to the veracity or lack thereof of what Reade is now alleging.

Kavanaugh could have been 100% truthful or 100% lying. Same with Ford. That has absolutely nothing to do with Biden or Reade.

No, the CNN phone call would not be admissible in a court of law to prove Biden assaulted Reade, although it possibly would be admissible to support Reade’s credibility if attacked. First, without evidence of the identity of the phone caller, the statement is irrelevant. Second, without evidence that the statement on the call had anything to do with Biden, it similarly would be irrelevant. Third, even if the caller is identified as the mother and even if there is some linkage to Biden, unless she witnessed the incident herself, her account is almost certainly inadmissible hearsay because she would have heard it from her daughter or someone else.

But, of course, we aren’t in a court of law. We are in the court of public opinion. People will believe what they want to believe, probably largely based on their political leanings.

I continue to have the same thought I have had since the outset of this. I don’t think Trump was behind the release of this info. I think he almost certainly would have held it until the late summer or fall. Now it likely is going to get buried (it really already has) in the coronavirus news. There’s a very good chance the story will burn out by the fall. Obviously Trump would not want that.

[ggait]

Daou says Biden should withdraw.

I think Daou is the brother from another of Vernon Jones. You know that GA Dem legislator who endorsed Trump. Which endorsement Petey told us a week or so ago previously informed us was an event that would doom Joe. FYI, the obscure Jones promptly resigned from the Dem party after endorsing Trump.

According to Petey, Joe is three times dead: (i) obscure Vernon Jones, (ii) some other obscure guy named Daou, and (iii) Joe's senility. Man it is going to be a slaughter in November!!

Presumably Joe's endorsement from that obscure guy named Obama will be of no help at all.

Petey Brown -- GOAT for trolling + crying wolf. : )

[Farfromgeneva]

Not to mention chirping every time the market is up a nickel as if there’s some perfect linear relationship to global events and markets.