SCOTUS

[MDlaxfan76]

True, the 'conservatives' do not always vote together on every issue. However, not true that the 'liberals' always vote as a block though.

And, yes, it is complicated.

But in reality, most votes are 9-0 or 8-1.

Here's the question for you, PB, do you think that Trump in 3 years and change has had less or more cases go against his Administration's position than did Obama in 8 years?

Have to disagree with you here MD. I can't think of the last time on a major decision the liberal wing has not been 100% in lockstep with FLP ideology. They know and understand when it is time to get their FLP ducks in a nice strait row. No wobbling to the right is allowed.

Not true, we just had one in which Kagan was with Roberts, etc.

The more interesting question is the comparative record of the Admin's of Trump and Obama. For that matter, could have said Trump and Bush.

The Trump DOJ is taking positions which force reasonable Justices to rule against them...with some regularity.

So much for just calling balls and strikes. I do not think this is unique just to Trump DOJ. The SCOTUS has become a battle zone between left and right. I may be too naive, I thought the SCOTUS made decisions based on how they interpret the constitution. It seems they now have to consider public opinion in their decision making.

Quite the opposite...the conservative Justices are ruling against the Trump DOJ...because the positions being taken simply don't pass constitutional muster...that's because those positions are so extreme as to be untenable. Even so, they often hold onto a couple of conservatives.

You have me way over my head here. The SCOTUS stuff always fascinates me. When I had cable I could listen to the cases being heard in front of the court for hours. The legal opinions they come up with on both sides are often way too complicated for my pay grade. The one thing I do know is if Trump was not happy with any SCOTUS judge you would certainly read his tweets. My self I gave up reading anything from Trump a long time ago. That is one of the benefits of not having cable. I have become addicted again to watching old reruns of Adam 12 and Dragnet. Just the facts mam... great line. Simple things are better than trying to figure out anything that goes on in DC.

It's above most of our pay grades, except for a couple of actual lawyers on here.
And I ain't one either.

Adma 12 and Dragnet...ahh for those days...

[cradleandshoot]

True, the 'conservatives' do not always vote together on every issue. However, not true that the 'liberals' always vote as a block though.

And, yes, it is complicated.

But in reality, most votes are 9-0 or 8-1.

Here's the question for you, PB, do you think that Trump in 3 years and change has had less or more cases go against his Administration's position than did Obama in 8 years?

Have to disagree with you here MD. I can't think of the last time on a major decision the liberal wing has not been 100% in lockstep with FLP ideology. They know and understand when it is time to get their FLP ducks in a nice strait row. No wobbling to the right is allowed.

Not true, we just had one in which Kagan was with Roberts, etc.

The more interesting question is the comparative record of the Admin's of Trump and Obama. For that matter, could have said Trump and Bush.

The Trump DOJ is taking positions which force reasonable Justices to rule against them...with some regularity.

So much for just calling balls and strikes. I do not think this is unique just to Trump DOJ. The SCOTUS has become a battle zone between left and right. I may be too naive, I thought the SCOTUS made decisions based on how they interpret the constitution. It seems they now have to consider public opinion in their decision making.

Quite the opposite...the conservative Justices are ruling against the Trump DOJ...because the positions being taken simply don't pass constitutional muster...that's because those positions are so extreme as to be untenable. Even so, they often hold onto a couple of conservatives.

You have me way over my head here. The SCOTUS stuff always fascinates me. When I had cable I could listen to the cases being heard in front of the court for hours. The legal opinions they come up with on both sides are often way too complicated for my pay grade. The one thing I do know is if Trump was not happy with any SCOTUS judge you would certainly read his tweets. My self I gave up reading anything from Trump a long time ago. That is one of the benefits of not having cable. I have become addicted again to watching old reruns of Adam 12 and Dragnet. Just the facts mam... great line. Simple things are better than trying to figure out anything that goes on in DC.

It's above most of our pay grades, except for a couple of actual lawyers on here.
And I ain't one either.

Adma 12 and Dragnet...ahh for those days...

My nephew is a lawyer who specializes in immigration law. Great young man and he has some words of wisdom when it comes to lawyers. Like his dad he is a Cornell grad and graduated from NYU law school. You can put 100 lawyers in the same room and they will never agree about the time of day. When I ask him about his job it sounds monotonous to me. He spends all day e-mailing government wonks asking for clarification on what our immigration laws are on any given day. Seriously, the rules and directions can change from day to day. I can only believe this confusion transfers over to the SCOTUS. My nephew has the perfect attitude for dealing with government ineptitude. They pay him good money to do what they tell him what he the rules are today. Tomorrow will be a whole new set of rules, and the next day will be another new set of rules and so on and so on. You gotta love our gubmint. If you are looking for clear direction you better look someplace else.

[Peter Brown]

You gotta love our gubmint. If you are looking for clear direction you better look someplace else.

Ironically, the 'smart' side of this board wants even more gubmint, in spite of centuries of evidence that when no one owns the outcome, the results are always tragic.

[cradleandshoot]

You gotta love our gubmint. If you are looking for clear direction you better look someplace else.

Ironically, the 'smart' side of this board wants even more gubmint, in spite of centuries of evidence that when no one owns the outcome, the results are always tragic.

I have to chuckle when you speak of the smart side of this board. They are loud and obnoxious but they are eons away from being smart.

[Peter Brown]

You gotta love our gubmint. If you are looking for clear direction you better look someplace else.

Ironically, the 'smart' side of this board wants even more gubmint, in spite of centuries of evidence that when no one owns the outcome, the results are always tragic.

I have to chuckle when you speak of the smart side of this board. They are loud and obnoxious but they are eons away from being smart.

Indeed, but don't have that convo with them; it eats away at their entire self-worth, which is both a function and a result of their understanding of government's role in their lives.

Every shred of evidence known to man throughout our entire existence is the larger the centralized government, the worse a society is. That includes the country's culture, the economy, innovation, accomplishment, wealth, happiness, and yes, self-worth. Yet they persist. The age-old battle in the US is between those who understand America's fundamentally unique spot in history versus those who can never understand it. It is between (at the margin) a Republican mindset and a Democratic one. It saddens me to no end when I have a deep-dive debate with any person who can not grasp why America is so uniquely powerful, wealthy, and good; what 3 wonderful traits to have, and of course there is a reason why we are so. You can see on this Board here how so many are unaware of that exceptional body of evidence, and constantly argue for the opposite.

[MDlaxfan76]

You two keep telling yourselves that. It must make you feel good.

BTW, cradle, that's not my experience with lawyers.
I do a lot of my own basic legal work, based on years of experience with such docs, but in a serious issue I turn to the best, smartest, most practical within my network.

That said, I still do my own negotiations.
But informed by the best lawyers I can afford for the task.

Same for medicine...I take care of myself and my family, but on a truly serious issue I go to the very best in my network.

I seem to recall you are in refrigeration equipment...if I was installing such in a new store, whatever, I certainly would want to find someone/company who I could trust knew what they were doing, wouldn't screw it up. I'm not going to hire the guy who tells me he's never studied refrigeration, never installed any equipment...but he's a heck of a fisherman. Nor would I hire a guy who had terrible references from prior jobs.

IMO, people deserve a measure of respect for the efforts they've made to be the best they can be at what they do.

In most professions, specific kinds of intelligence are a big part of differentiating levels of excellence. Lawyers need certain sorts of intelligence that are different from a programmer which can be different from an architect which can be different from a physicist.

If you don't have exceptional levels of that specific sort of intelligence, then you simply aren't going to be able to compete at that highest level. You then apply experience and effort to produce a capability to be the best at what you do.

I want the guy or gal with that highest level.

[cradleandshoot]

You two keep telling yourselves that. It must make you feel good.

BTW, cradle, that's not my experience with lawyers.
I do a lot of my own basic legal work, based on years of experience with such docs, but in a serious issue I turn to the best, smartest, most practical within my network.

That said, I still do my own negotiations.
But informed by the best lawyers I can afford for the task.

Same for medicine...I take care of myself and my family, but on a truly serious issue I go to the very best in my network.

I seem to recall you are in refrigeration equipment...if I was installing such in a new store, whatever, I certainly would want to find someone/company who I could trust knew what they were doing, wouldn't screw it up. I'm not going to hire the guy who tells me he's never studied refrigeration, never installed any equipment...but he's a heck of a fisherman. Nor would I hire a guy who had terrible references from prior jobs.

IMO, people deserve a measure of respect for the efforts they've made to be the best they can be at what they do.

In most professions, specific kinds of intelligence are a big part of differentiating levels of excellence. Lawyers need certain sorts of intelligence that are different from a programmer which can be different from an architect which can be different from a physicist.

If you don't have exceptional levels of that specific sort of intelligence, then you simply aren't going to be able to compete at that highest level. You then apply experience and effort to produce a capability to be the best at what you do.

I want the guy or gal with that highest level.

Your best refrigeration guy/gal can do all the load calculations for any install. Actually understanding the how you do it and why is a different issue all together. When you install a heating or central air system the operative word is having a balanced system. All the money in the world can buy you the best state if the art equipment. If it isn't installed by a pro, your no better off than when you started.

[MDlaxfan76]

You two keep telling yourselves that. It must make you feel good.

BTW, cradle, that's not my experience with lawyers.
I do a lot of my own basic legal work, based on years of experience with such docs, but in a serious issue I turn to the best, smartest, most practical within my network.

That said, I still do my own negotiations.
But informed by the best lawyers I can afford for the task.

Same for medicine...I take care of myself and my family, but on a truly serious issue I go to the very best in my network.

I seem to recall you are in refrigeration equipment...if I was installing such in a new store, whatever, I certainly would want to find someone/company who I could trust knew what they were doing, wouldn't screw it up. I'm not going to hire the guy who tells me he's never studied refrigeration, never installed any equipment...but he's a heck of a fisherman. Nor would I hire a guy who had terrible references from prior jobs.

IMO, people deserve a measure of respect for the efforts they've made to be the best they can be at what they do.

In most professions, specific kinds of intelligence are a big part of differentiating levels of excellence. Lawyers need certain sorts of intelligence that are different from a programmer which can be different from an architect which can be different from a physicist.

If you don't have exceptional levels of that specific sort of intelligence, then you simply aren't going to be able to compete at that highest level. You then apply experience and effort to produce a capability to be the best at what you do.

I want the guy or gal with that highest level.

Your best refrigeration guy/gal can do all the load calculations for any install. Actually understanding the how you do it and why is a different issue all together. When you install a heating or central air system the operative word is having a balanced system. All the money in the world can buy you the best state if the art equipment. If it isn't installed by a pro, your no better off than when you started.

Exactly...find the right guy for the gig.
Applies to most anything that actually matters to get right.
And don't pretend one knows more than those who have devoted their careers to it!

[Peter Brown]

You two keep telling yourselves that. It must make you feel good.

BTW, cradle, that's not my experience with lawyers.
I do a lot of my own basic legal work, based on years of experience with such docs, but in a serious issue I turn to the best, smartest, most practical within my network.

That said, I still do my own negotiations.
But informed by the best lawyers I can afford for the task.

Same for medicine...I take care of myself and my family, but on a truly serious issue I go to the very best in my network.

I seem to recall you are in refrigeration equipment...if I was installing such in a new store, whatever, I certainly would want to find someone/company who I could trust knew what they were doing, wouldn't screw it up. I'm not going to hire the guy who tells me he's never studied refrigeration, never installed any equipment...but he's a heck of a fisherman. Nor would I hire a guy who had terrible references from prior jobs.

IMO, people deserve a measure of respect for the efforts they've made to be the best they can be at what they do.

In most professions, specific kinds of intelligence are a big part of differentiating levels of excellence. Lawyers need certain sorts of intelligence that are different from a programmer which can be different from an architect which can be different from a physicist.

If you don't have exceptional levels of that specific sort of intelligence, then you simply aren't going to be able to compete at that highest level. You then apply experience and effort to produce a capability to be the best at what you do.

I want the guy or gal with that highest level.

Your best refrigeration guy/gal can do all the load calculations for any install. Actually understanding the how you do it and why is a different issue all together. When you install a heating or central air system the operative word is having a balanced system. All the money in the world can buy you the best state if the art equipment. If it isn't installed by a pro, your no better off than when you started.

Cradle: recently my main refrigerator in Boca Grande began a slow decline of cooling. We noticed the milk and other things were not the temperature I had been used to and that we had set for. This thing was a $2,000 install back when.

I called a repair guy who wanted to know the make and model. It's a Frigidaire side by side stainless. Anyway, the repair guy said he would not even come out 'because it's not worth it to fix that model...kinda hurt my feelings! (I actually do have some sweeter appliances in another house). Anyway, he also said, 'have you pulled it out and looked at the coils in the back for any buildup of lint/dust/etc?' and honestly, that had never occurred to me.

So I yanked that sucker out, which was not an easy task as the placement tolerance was approximately 1/1000th of an inch (lol), and I cleaned the back and coils like no one's business. That sucker has worked perfectly since. Who knew!!!!

Also, Gorsuch rules!

[a fan]

You gotta love our gubmint. If you are looking for clear direction you better look someplace else.

Ironically, the 'smart' side of this board wants even more gubmint, in spite of centuries of evidence that when no one owns the outcome, the results are always tragic.

Why----please tell us----did you attend the University of Florida?

We're all in agreement on that choice of yours that your educational outcome was tragic, indeed.

[Peter Brown]

You gotta love our gubmint. If you are looking for clear direction you better look someplace else.

Ironically, the 'smart' side of this board wants even more gubmint, in spite of centuries of evidence that when no one owns the outcome, the results are always tragic.

Why----please tell us----did you attend the University of Florida?

We're all in agreement on that choice of yours that your educational outcome was tragic, indeed.

When the U of Colorado has an actual football team and can compete in the SEC, let's talk.

[njbill]

You two keep telling yourselves that. It must make you feel good.

BTW, cradle, that's not my experience with lawyers.
I do a lot of my own basic legal work, based on years of experience with such docs, but in a serious issue I turn to the best, smartest, most practical within my network.

That said, I still do my own negotiations.
But informed by the best lawyers I can afford for the task.

Same for medicine...I take care of myself and my family, but on a truly serious issue I go to the very best in my network.

I seem to recall you are in refrigeration equipment...if I was installing such in a new store, whatever, I certainly would want to find someone/company who I could trust knew what they were doing, wouldn't screw it up. I'm not going to hire the guy who tells me he's never studied refrigeration, never installed any equipment...but he's a heck of a fisherman. Nor would I hire a guy who had terrible references from prior jobs.

IMO, people deserve a measure of respect for the efforts they've made to be the best they can be at what they do.

In most professions, specific kinds of intelligence are a big part of differentiating levels of excellence. Lawyers need certain sorts of intelligence that are different from a programmer which can be different from an architect which can be different from a physicist.

If you don't have exceptional levels of that specific sort of intelligence, then you simply aren't going to be able to compete at that highest level. You then apply experience and effort to produce a capability to be the best at what you do.

I want the guy or gal with that highest level.

Your best refrigeration guy/gal can do all the load calculations for any install. Actually understanding the how you do it and why is a different issue all together. When you install a heating or central air system the operative word is having a balanced system. All the money in the world can buy you the best state if the art equipment. If it isn't installed by a pro, your no better off than when you started.

Cradle: recently my main refrigerator in Boca Grande began a slow decline of cooling. We noticed the milk and other things were not the temperature I had been used to and that we had set for. This thing was a $2,000 install back when.

I called a repair guy who wanted to know the make and model. It's a Frigidaire side by side stainless. Anyway, the repair guy said he would not even come out 'because it's not worth it to fix that model...kinda hurt my feelings! (I actually do have some sweeter appliances in another house). Anyway, he also said, 'have you pulled it out and looked at the coils in the back for any buildup of lint/dust/etc?' and honestly, that had never occurred to me.

So I yanked that sucker out, which was not an easy task as the placement tolerance was approximately 1/1000th of an inch (lol), and I cleaned the back and coils like no one's business. That sucker has worked perfectly since. Who knew!!!!

Also, Gorsuch rules!

I hear Gorsuch is an amazing refrigerator repair man. As a justice, though, not so much.

[MDlaxfan76]

You gotta love our gubmint. If you are looking for clear direction you better look someplace else.

Ironically, the 'smart' side of this board wants even more gubmint, in spite of centuries of evidence that when no one owns the outcome, the results are always tragic.

Why----please tell us----did you attend the University of Florida?

We're all in agreement on that choice of yours that your educational outcome was tragic, indeed.

When the U of Colorado has an actual football team and can compete in the SEC, let's talk.

BTW, what's the Loyola connection?

[a fan]

When the U of Colorado has an actual football team and can compete in the SEC, let's talk.

Um. You might have to put your patient-pants on for that one..... you kids and grandkids, too.

[RedFromMI]

(stuff omitted)

Cradle: recently my main refrigerator in Boca Grande began a slow decline of cooling. We noticed the milk and other things were not the temperature I had been used to and that we had set for. This thing was a $2,000 install back when.

I called a repair guy who wanted to know the make and model. It's a Frigidaire side by side stainless. Anyway, the repair guy said he would not even come out 'because it's not worth it to fix that model...kinda hurt my feelings! (I actually do have some sweeter appliances in another house). Anyway, he also said, 'have you pulled it out and looked at the coils in the back for any buildup of lint/dust/etc?' and honestly, that had never occurred to me.

So I yanked that sucker out, which was not an easy task as the placement tolerance was approximately 1/1000th of an inch (lol), and I cleaned the back and coils like no one's business. That sucker has worked perfectly since. Who knew!!!!

Also, Gorsuch rules!

Who knew? Anyone who actually reads user manuals? Anyone who reads Consumers Reports?

Or maybe do a google search on "refrigerator not cooling like it used to"

and get the first hit: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... cljxOqFK3y (link from familyhandyman.com whose first suggestion is to check for clogged coils)

And that super close tolerance is kind of asking for trouble if there is no easy path for air exchange (to get the hot air out of the back of refrigerator area).

[Peter Brown]

You gotta love our gubmint. If you are looking for clear direction you better look someplace else.

Ironically, the 'smart' side of this board wants even more gubmint, in spite of centuries of evidence that when no one owns the outcome, the results are always tragic.

Why----please tell us----did you attend the University of Florida?

We're all in agreement on that choice of yours that your educational outcome was tragic, indeed.

When the U of Colorado has an actual football team and can compete in the SEC, let's talk.

BTW, what's the Loyola connection?

My dad was very involved...like, very. I would be much wealthier today had he not liked Loyola more than his own children.

His love of Loyola rubbed off on all of us.

[Peter Brown]

(stuff omitted)

Cradle: recently my main refrigerator in Boca Grande began a slow decline of cooling. We noticed the milk and other things were not the temperature I had been used to and that we had set for. This thing was a $2,000 install back when.

I called a repair guy who wanted to know the make and model. It's a Frigidaire side by side stainless. Anyway, the repair guy said he would not even come out 'because it's not worth it to fix that model...kinda hurt my feelings! (I actually do have some sweeter appliances in another house). Anyway, he also said, 'have you pulled it out and looked at the coils in the back for any buildup of lint/dust/etc?' and honestly, that had never occurred to me.

So I yanked that sucker out, which was not an easy task as the placement tolerance was approximately 1/1000th of an inch (lol), and I cleaned the back and coils like no one's business. That sucker has worked perfectly since. Who knew!!!!

Also, Gorsuch rules!

Who knew? Anyone who actually reads user manuals? Anyone who reads Consumers Reports?

Or maybe do a google search on "refrigerator not cooling like it used to"

and get the first hit: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... cljxOqFK3y (link from familyhandyman.com whose first suggestion is to check for clogged coils)

And that super close tolerance is kind of asking for trouble if there is no easy path for air exchange (to get the hot air out of the back of refrigerator area).

On both counts you are absolutely correct.

On that second charge, I blame my kitchen specialist who charged me enough vig to put all three of his kids through college, on top of his standard time and materials. Honestly, it took hours to get the thing out. Florida contractors are a unique bunch; the ones who are reliable on time tend to overcharge for that courtesy, because much of the competition is incredibly lazy so they know they have you over a barrel. You pay for reliability here like no other state. If you want to redo a kitchen and you choose the wrong contractor, your kitchen will be under repair for over a year.

[MDlaxfan76]

You gotta love our gubmint. If you are looking for clear direction you better look someplace else.

Ironically, the 'smart' side of this board wants even more gubmint, in spite of centuries of evidence that when no one owns the outcome, the results are always tragic.

Why----please tell us----did you attend the University of Florida?

We're all in agreement on that choice of yours that your educational outcome was tragic, indeed.

When the U of Colorado has an actual football team and can compete in the SEC, let's talk.

BTW, what's the Loyola connection?

My dad was very involved...like, very. I would be much wealthier today had he not liked Loyola more than his own children.

His love of Loyola rubbed off on all of us.

Same as why I'm a UVA fan.

Did you play lacrosse PB?
Did your dad?

[MDlaxfan76]

(stuff omitted)

Cradle: recently my main refrigerator in Boca Grande began a slow decline of cooling. We noticed the milk and other things were not the temperature I had been used to and that we had set for. This thing was a $2,000 install back when.

I called a repair guy who wanted to know the make and model. It's a Frigidaire side by side stainless. Anyway, the repair guy said he would not even come out 'because it's not worth it to fix that model...kinda hurt my feelings! (I actually do have some sweeter appliances in another house). Anyway, he also said, 'have you pulled it out and looked at the coils in the back for any buildup of lint/dust/etc?' and honestly, that had never occurred to me.

So I yanked that sucker out, which was not an easy task as the placement tolerance was approximately 1/1000th of an inch (lol), and I cleaned the back and coils like no one's business. That sucker has worked perfectly since. Who knew!!!!

Also, Gorsuch rules!

Who knew? Anyone who actually reads user manuals? Anyone who reads Consumers Reports?

Or maybe do a google search on "refrigerator not cooling like it used to"

and get the first hit: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... cljxOqFK3y (link from familyhandyman.com whose first suggestion is to check for clogged coils)

And that super close tolerance is kind of asking for trouble if there is no easy path for air exchange (to get the hot air out of the back of refrigerator area).

On both counts you are absolutely correct.

On that second charge, I blame my kitchen specialist who charged me enough vig to put all three of his kids through college, on top of his standard time and materials. Honestly, it took hours to get the thing out. Florida contractors are a unique bunch; the ones who are reliable on time tend to overcharge for that courtesy, because much of the competition is incredibly lazy so they know they have you over a barrel. You pay for reliability here like no other state. If you want to redo a kitchen and you choose the wrong contractor, your kitchen will be under repair for over a year.

geez, private market economics at work I guess.

I highly recommend the movie "Money Pit"...came out just as my wife and I we re-doning half a townhouse in the South End of Boston...two weeks...

[Peter Brown]

You gotta love our gubmint. If you are looking for clear direction you better look someplace else.

Ironically, the 'smart' side of this board wants even more gubmint, in spite of centuries of evidence that when no one owns the outcome, the results are always tragic.

Why----please tell us----did you attend the University of Florida?

We're all in agreement on that choice of yours that your educational outcome was tragic, indeed.

When the U of Colorado has an actual football team and can compete in the SEC, let's talk.

BTW, what's the Loyola connection?

My dad was very involved...like, very. I would be much wealthier today had he not liked Loyola more than his own children.

His love of Loyola rubbed off on all of us.

Same as why I'm a UVA fan.

Did you play lacrosse PB?
Did your dad?

Tinkered but no good. So I did the next best thing in life to actually playing, I cheered for the GOAT, Pat Spencer!