All things Chinese CoronaVirus

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... -nicotine/

Here's a new one that my wife (an ex-smoker) was happy to relate to me. Somebody better hold Trump back before he prematurely jumps all over this one. Think I'll wait for some more testing.

Trump will say everyone used to smoke and we didn’t have any COVID-19....,MAGA

[Cooter]

Two people on my mother in law’s block died this week from Coronavirus. One was old and the other was 53. That may or may not be old to some.

Did "the 53 year old other" have any health issues?

Got up and went to work everyday. I saw that a 5 year old died too and a 6 month old. You worry about your kids?

https://nypost.com/2020/04/23/fdny-fire ... ssage_appe

Don't have any.
As you note people are dying anyways.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Two people on my mother in law’s block died this week from Coronavirus. One was old and the other was 53. That may or may not be old to some.

Did "the 53 year old other" have any health issues?

Got up and went to work everyday. I saw that a 5 year old died too and a 6 month old. You worry about your kids?

https://nypost.com/2020/04/23/fdny-fire ... ssage_appe

Don't have any.
As you note people are dying anyways.

Ok.

[old salt]

MDLF76 -- are you sure they ran out of ventilators in NYC. This Apr 7 article talks about the procedure, as a contingency, but never confirmed it was needed. It also details the ventilators still in reserve after 800 were sent out.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronav ... s/2363049/


While no hospital in the state has run out of ventilators yet, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Monday that emergency rooms and ICUs are overwhelmed but BiPAP machines can be used to run a system that can ventilate two patients.

Paladino, along with two other doctors at the Brooklyn hospital now dedicated to only coronavirus patients, say they came up with a technique to share ventilators, but they say it's not a long term cure-all.

“If you’re sick with this virus and you get severe lung disease you’re on a ventilator and you’re not on a ventilator for a couple of days, you’re on a ventilator for a long period of time," Paladino said. "It only helps for a small bridge, like if more ventilators are coming. It’s not a substitute to ventilate people for several days or several weeks."

Currently, there a couple of hundred ventilators in reserve, Cuomo said, and 800 ventilators were sent out to hospitals on Monday.

Why would the Brooklyn hospital have to split ventilators if NY had "a couple hundred in reserve" after 800 were just sent out ?

NY is now shipping spare ventilators to other states.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/ ... e-to-pass/

Cuomo today has so many ventilators he is giving them away: On April 15, he said he was sending 100 of them to Michigan and 50 to Maryland. On April 16, he announced he was sending 100 to New Jersey.

New Jersey has by far the most cases outside of New York, with 75,000 positive tests. It also has by far the most deaths outside of New York: 3,518 as of April 16. However, New Jersey, with 8,011 total hospitalizations as of April 16, also has more ventilators than it is currently using and also may have passed its apex; as of April 16, the fewest New Jerseyans were on ventilators since April 8. So far, the peak was April 14, when 1705 patients were on ventilators. Yet before Cuomo’s announcement, New Jersey reported that 46 percent of its ventilators were still available.

Michigan, the fifth-hardest-hit state after Massachusetts and Pennsylvania, may or may not have had its worst day. So far its worst daily death toll was 205 on April 10, but its second-highest total was 172 on April 16. The number of new cases reported fell slightly from a peak on April 14. But Michigan isn’t even using most of its ventilators yet: As of April 16, it reported 1,232 ventilators were being used but 1,754 more were available. So New York’s surplus is at the moment adding to the Michigan surplus.

Maryland, which was sent 50 ventilators by California recently before Cuomo offered to send them 50 more, appears to be right around its apex; deaths hit a record high of 47 on April 15, then dropped slightly each of the next two days. I couldn’t find any stats about ventilators on the state’s COVID-19 website. The state’s largest paper, the Baltimore Sun, appears not to have run any pieces discussing feared ventilator shortages since late March. On March 25, Gov. Larry Hogan said the state had received a shipment of FEMA ventilators and said it was “not enough” without divulging numbers. Hogan appears not to have said anything about ventilators lately except for last Sunday, when he said President Trump was “not quite accurate” when he claimed governors were in good shape regarding medical equipment. “Everybody still has tremendous needs on personal protective equipment and ventilators and all of these things that you keep hearing about,” Hogan said, without being specific.

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronav ... 63049/?amp

[old salt]

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronav ... 63049/?amp

You just linked the same article I linked & quoted from.

There was this Reuters article which talks about experimenting with 2 patients which was closely monitored, but I've yet to find any reports of it actually happening because a hospital ran short of ventilators.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN21D3M1

At least one New York hospital has begun putting two patients on a single ventilator machine, an experimental crisis-mode protocol...
Dr. Craig Smith, surgeon-in-chief at New York-Presbyterian/Columbia University Medical Center in Manhattan, wrote in a newsletter to staff that anesthesiology and intensive care teams had worked “day and night” to get the split-ventilation experiment going.
By Wednesday, he wrote, there were “two patients being carefully managed on one ventilator.”

It appears that some hospitals had worked out the protocols, but they were never needed.

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronav ... 63049/?amp

You just linked the same article I linked & quoted from.

There was this Reuters article which talks about experimenting with 2 patients which was closely monitored, but I've yet to find any reports of it actually happening because a hospital ran short of ventilators.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN21D3M1

I missed your link. I saw the NR link. It seemed like some ventilators were being shared. I thought the demand for ventilators was not as great as anticipated but I am not sure how they were allocated throughout the state.

[old salt]

WTFiretruck!

ok, so this fellow Bryan just tells us about the impact of sunlight on the half life of the virus..UV rays making the virus die faster...

Makes a lot of sense.

But then Trump talks about blasting people with UV rays....then he suggests sticking UV rays INSIDE -people!!!
Keeps blathering on...

Then, we get a question back to Bryan about putting sunlight inside people...he says, we don't do that in our lab.

Of course, you don't!!!

Trump tries to get him to agree...

It wasn't Trump's idea. The stupid ABC reporter asked the DHS guy about "injecting ", shortly before the stupid CBS reporter asked why New Orleans was a hot spot because it's hot & humid.

[DocBarrister]

While Donald Trump was killing tens of thousands of Americans with his incompetence and malignant narcissism, South Korea was taking care of business and crushing, not just flattening, the curve.

For the first time in 40 days, South Korea reports no new coronavirus deaths

South Korea recorded no deaths from the coronavirus on Thursday for the first time in 40 days, the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said on Friday.

The country also recorded a fourth consecutive day of single-digit new cases, suggesting a potential slowdown of the outbreak.

The country has now reported 10,708 cases, according to Johns Hopkins University.

According to the KCDC, fewer than 2,000 of those are active cases, with the majority of total infected patients having recovered.

The country's government has been among the most ambitious when it comes to providing the public with free and easy testing options. Experts have attributed South Korea's decline in new cases to its early testing efforts, a successful example of what is now commonly referred to as "flattening the curve."

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/cor ... index.html

Trump’s mass negligent homicides, for which his supporters share moral culpability, constitute a crime against humanity.

DocBarrister

[DocBarrister]

The United States has only 4.25% of the world’s population, but over 26% of the world’s confirmed deaths from Covid-19. We just crossed the 50,000 death mark.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

It hardly seems sufficient anymore to call the Republican Party the “Party of Stupid”. The Republicans were warned repeatedly that Trump was unfit for office, but the idiots elected him anyway in a truly singular act of recklessness and malignant hubris.

Predictably, Trump did not make America great again.

Instead, he made morgues great again ... mass graves great again ... body bags great again ... refrigerator trucks great again.

No, the “Party of Stupid” is not enough to adequately describe the Republican Party.

Through the putrid bile of his malevolent soul, and with the full support of his heinous personality cult, the former Grand Old Party has been transfigured into ...

... the Party of Death.

DocBarrister

[Brooklyn]

^ Post of the Year!

[DocBarrister]

^ Post of the Year!

Thank you. Thank you very much.

Cue Also sprach Zarathustra

*DocBarrister has left the building*

[Typical Lax Dad]

WTFiretruck!

ok, so this fellow Bryan just tells us about the impact of sunlight on the half life of the virus..UV rays making the virus die faster...

Makes a lot of sense.

But then Trump talks about blasting people with UV rays....then he suggests sticking UV rays INSIDE -people!!!
Keeps blathering on...

Then, we get a question back to Bryan about putting sunlight inside people...he says, we don't do that in our lab.

Of course, you don't!!!

Trump tries to get him to agree...

It wasn't Trump's idea. The stupid ABC reporter asked the DHS guy about "injecting ", shortly before the stupid CBS reporter asked why New Orleans was a hot spot because it's hot & humid.

Did Trump dismiss it and say it was a stupid idea?

# Defending Trump is a Choice

[ggait]

Trump’s mass negligent homicides, for which his supporters share moral culpability, constitute a crime against humanity.

DocBarrister

USA -- 152 deaths per million pop.

Would love to hear your thoughts on the leaderships of Ireland, Switzerland, Sweden, Netherlands, UK, France, Italy, Spain, Belgium. All of which have way more per capita deaths.

Is Macron (335) worse than Hitler? Is the guy running Belgium (560) like a triple Satan in your infantile view? You and Petey Brown are quite the pair.

[ggait]

This video of Birx today is worth a thousand words. Thousand yard stare.

https://twitter.com/NC5PhilWilliams/sta ... 3046385670

[DocBarrister]

Trump’s mass negligent homicides, for which his supporters share moral culpability, constitute a crime against humanity.

DocBarrister

USA -- 152 deaths per million pop.

Would love to hear your thoughts on the leaderships of Ireland, Switzerland, Sweden, Netherlands, UK, France, Italy, Spain, Belgium. All of which have way more per capita deaths.

Is Macron (335) worse than Hitler? Is the guy running Belgium (560) like a triple Satan in your infantile view? You and Petey Brown are quite the pair.

There’s negligence and delay, which characterized France’s response.

https://www.vox.com/2020/4/14/21218927/ ... n-response

There are Italy’s demographic characteristics and sloppy lockdown execution.

But the difference with Trump is his intentional prioritization of his own political fortunes and the economy over the public health, safety, and welfare. We see that even today. His promotion of unproven treatments is willfully reckless. His premature call for opening up the economy is dangerous. It’s no mistake that Trump isn’t doing everything he can to increase testing ... he defies his experts’ own calls for more testing for an obvious reason: he doesn’t want the case and death numbers to rise any faster. People can die, but that’s fine with him as long as he doesn’t get the blame. All of that distinguishes Trump from most of his peers.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-r ... ble-2020-3

Enough of an explanation for ya, boy?

DocBarrister

[DocBarrister]

Note what this guy actually says:

The clock has run out on blanket lockdowns. It's time to reopen, CAREFULLY, & get Americans back to work.

No one disagrees with that.

Everyone (except dummies and partisan hacks) says opening recklessly (calling Gov. Kemp!!) is stupid, dangerous and counter-productive economically.

We’re not even close to the conditions required to safely open up the economy. China, which is even more obsessed with economic growth than the U.S., kept Wuhan in a far stricter lockdown for 76 days. We’re only about halfway through that length of time. We don’t have anywhere near the quarantine capabilities of China, or the testing capabilities of South Korea. More importantly, we aren’t anywhere close to having this pandemic under control.

Sure, this is a good time to prepare for reopening the economy, but Trump’s panel for such planning includes both Ivanka and Jared.

We’re opening up the economy without being anywhere ready. It’s yet another disaster that Trump is pushing ... all in a desperate effort to stay in office.

DocBarrister

[Trinity]

The maker of Lysol has issued a statement advising Trumpists not drink their product.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... t=business

[cradleandshoot]

Note what this guy actually says:

The clock has run out on blanket lockdowns. It's time to reopen, CAREFULLY, & get Americans back to work.

No one disagrees with that.

Everyone (except dummies and partisan hacks) says opening recklessly (calling Gov. Kemp!!) is stupid, dangerous and counter-productive economically.

We’re not even close to the conditions required to safely open up the economy. China, which is even more obsessed with economic growth than the U.S., kept Wuhan in a far stricter lockdown for 76 days. We’re only about halfway through that length of time. We don’t have anywhere near the quarantine capabilities of China, or the testing capabilities of South Korea. More importantly, we aren’t anywhere close to having this pandemic under control.

Sure, this is a good time to prepare for reopening the economy, but Trump’s panel for such planning includes both Ivanka and Jared.

We’re opening up the economy without being anywhere ready. It’s yet another disaster that Trump is pushing ... all in a desperate effort to stay in office.

DocBarrister

That is all fine and good Doc. Where is your letter of consolation to those many thousands of folks whose business will never reopen? If you want to tell em they took one for the FLP team I bet you don't have the nads to say that to them face to face. They did not ask to have their way of living shut down, they were ordered to do so by a loving, caring and benevolent government. Is it ironic that this same government is complaining about the devastation put upon all these business folks that the government created in the first place. Time for a bailout...

[tech37]

Trump’s mass negligent homicides, for which his supporters share moral culpability, constitute a crime against humanity.

DocBarrister

USA -- 152 deaths per million pop.

Would love to hear your thoughts on the leaderships of Ireland, Switzerland, Sweden, Netherlands, UK, France, Italy, Spain, Belgium. All of which have way more per capita deaths.

Is Macron (335) worse than Hitler? Is the guy running Belgium (560) like a triple Satan in your infantile view? You and Petey Brown are quite the pair.

+1 objective, nonpartisan post