" dude.....mahhnN.....like, look,....the science is settled. 97% of scienctists agree.......social distancing IS the reason why. 100% "wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:58 am"study" that gives nothing more than a data point. info collected on patients that had utilized different treatment options.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:37 amI don't want to go down a rabbit hole, but what is doc saying that is hypocritical?wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:27 amis it even possible this post could be more hypocritical?DocBarrister wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:27 am It is sometimes difficult to understand the deficiencies in morals, ethics, character, and intellect that would permit a person to become a Trump cultist, but the entire hydroxychloroquine fiasco is puzzling even in that context.
Fox News has fallen out of love with hydroxychloroquine. After weeks of unrelenting coverage hyping the antimalarial drug as a potential game-changing treatment for the coronavirus, the network has all but stopped mentioning it on its airwaves. So has President Donald Trump.
The [quiet] abandonment of hydroxychloroquine comes as studies indicate it is not an effective treatment against the coronavirus. A French study found last week that the drug does not help patients with the virus. And on Tuesday, a study of hundreds of patents at US Veterans Health Administration medical centers found that patients who took hydroxychloroquine were no less likely to need ventilation and had higher death rates than those who didn't take the drug.
"Will anyone who breathlessly pitched hydroxychloroquine as a miracle drug show a modicum of regret or even self-awareness over this? Doubtful," The Daily Beast's Sam Stein predicted. "More likely is they'll ignore the study entirely." Stein appears to have been right on the money.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/22/media/fo ... index.html
As with any cult, dishonesty is key. We have seen such dishonesty from Trump cultists on our own little forum.
What is truly dangerous about the Trump cult is their shamelessness. The hydroxychloroquine fiasco is just a small example. Trump’s willful recklessness, incompetence, and malignant narcissism has already resulted in the needless deaths of tens of thousands of Americans. Yet, do we even sense any remorse or shame from those who have consistently supported Trump? I don’t.
Which begs this question ... what if Trump somehow steals the election this November and eventually gains the authoritarian power that he seems to admire so much in Vladimir Putin, Xi Jinping, or Kim Jong Un? What if he and his cultists actually start killing people intentionally, like they’re already beginning to do during this pandemic? If Trump starts making people like Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and various reporters disappear, will his cultists show any remorse or shame?
Trump has already corrupted the Department of Justice, the State Department, and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. He has been doing his best to corrupt the Department of Defense. He long ago corrupted and subjugated the Republican Party.
Trump already believes he can get away with shooting someone on Fifth Avenue. He apparently thinks he can get away with killing tens of thousands of Americans during the pandemic. His gun-toting cultists are apparently willing to trade people’s lives for profit (“There are more important things than living.”).
So, if Trump somehow manages to stay in power, what will prevent Trump and his cultists from beginning to kill their perceived enemies?
Shame?
Remorse?
Compassion?
Empathy?
We see their shamelessness in all the “smaller” things. The hydroxychloroquine fiasco is just one example. Even on our own forum, we have seen his cultists argue that it would be worth some American deaths to open up commerce. They continue to support Trump, sometimes while denying they are supporting him.
And all with a degree of shamelessness that is difficult to understand. What will that shamelessness empower them to do next?
DocBarrister
see mods,i didn't even call him a hypocrite.
I think part of it belongs on a different thread, but I'm not following your point....yet.
not a randomized double blind trial, not even a trial at all.
300 patients go into a hospital. 100 of them don't progress to warrant resort treatment options. they recover nicely with normal protocols. vast vast majority are released. thankfully.
other 200 require or at least by a dr's measure need some other intervention to be tried. hcq or hcq + z are initiated. not as many recover.
comorbitities also slanted.
ipso facto hcq is killing people, push own political agenda. conveniently forget that many arguments were made by author that non-legitimate trials/studies were pushing a political agenda for opposition. i can only give some benefit of the doubt that he didn't bother to read the study, though i'm not sure if that's better. the media has done it as well.
how possible, or rather likely, is this "study" not really indicative of anything at all given its construct? but let's headline what works for my side, and throw in the garden variety invective. advancing the discussion fo sho.
rinse and repeat.
Where have we heard similar rhetoric? If you go out, for a walk,,,,,,,and aren't wearing a mask.....you support tRump tv show guy. Because YOU said so.
If more and more people are testing positive, or, more importantly, anti bodie carriers how in the world can you tell us, to our faces, that something implemented 30 something days ago IS the reason why?
Climate change
Social distortion/distancing
where you are NEVER wrong.