Chitown wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:08 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:56 pm
Homer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:14 pm
OCanada wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:07 am
Admission standards were raised and it became far more difficult to get in players than anytime in the past.
44WeWantMore wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:36 pm
Not sure they qualify as all-everything, but there were limits:
And I do not find it difficult to believe that those limits are tightening under RD.
Here's how it looks from the outside; please feel free to correct me if any of this is wrong. In all the following I'm talking about recruiting at Hopkins going back to roughly 2011, which would appear to coincide both with the period of "peak early recruiting" and with the timespan people have in mind when they talk about top administration tightening limits.
Had to chuckle at notion that Benson was complaining about not getting Rambo and Heacock in...after all Bobby got in!
I'd be very surprised to learn that those two were actually inadmissible at Hopkins as lax recruits. Seems far more likely that they simply chose a different school...now, that
might have been because they believed Hopkins would be a more difficult academic environment or it may have been because of other factors.
The comment about #38 and certainly others over the years is true. Plenty of guys who could have cut it, indeed excelled, at Ivies, have been in the program. But let's be serious, the range has long been very wide. There's been no AI target ala the Ivies that Hop needs to hit each year. Very different with the DIII programs at Hopkins, their targets are quite tough and have grown way tougher recently.
Where I think it's fair to say that 'standards' are higher is that there's less latitude in the actual academic experience for youngsters without the skills and motivation to cut it academically. Still paths through it, but not the same as yesteryear
But the idea that Hopkins' "slide" was due to an inability to get recruits through Admissions really doesn't make sense.
MD76, too many gratuitous kicks at JHU. Where do you get your information? Were you the Director of Admissions? Maybe all Baltimore "cocktail party talk". Where do you get your info that makes you "chuckle". Your attitude is a little too pretentious.
The Ivy League cuts "corners" to get athletes admitted. How did Yale's hockey team get all the players to win the NC a number of years ago? I hear they all had perfect scores on the ACTs and SATs. Same with Brown's hockey team a few years ago. Of course Cornell is famous for making sure all their Hockey players meet Rhode Scholarship standards. Harvard? Hockey of course and their basketball team? Hire the former Indiana Coach, and a few years later, presto. Harvard has high caliber players. Just by chance? Or was there an understanding when the Coach was hired?
Lacrosse was and is a minor "preppy" sport played for the most part by children of the Middle Class. It has grown, but the number of Div. 1 schools playing the sport has grown slowly. Reasons? Title lX. not revenue producing, and its expense. Big football schools are not expanding into lacrosse (Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers and Maryland have played for decades). Mainly because of Title lX. That is one reason why the Ivy League and JHU can continue to be competitive in Lacrosse..
A friend, who was in executive recruiting, told me "When people who are in their 40s, 50s, 60s, etc want to tell you where they went to college, it is probably because they didn't accomplish much of note the rest of their lives".
JHU is an excellent academic institution, with an accomplished student body who are happy with their undergraduate experience. 80% of the undergraduates go on to graduate school. No pretentious "chuckles" or gratuitous kicks are acceptable here.
We have a great lacrosse tradition, and I am confident that it will be great again. The AD and Alanna are extremely competent and both have lacrosse backgrounds. This search will be extensive and thorough. We will be OK.
Coach Pietramala deserves to move on "gracefully". The lacrosse coach community will rally and say properly nice things about him. But change is sometimes good: like a shot of adrenaline for both parties. It was getting "stale". Time to move on.
I apologize MD76 if I got too pointed, BUT I defend my alma mater.
Yikes, I actually root for Hopkins, too.
My post must have either been misunderstood or struck a raw nerve.
I chuckled at Benson in particular. Let's just say he wouldn't have been on that list that includes #38.
Yeah, I guess that was gratuitous. I apologize.
I'm involved at Hopkins, guest lecturer, sole non-alum on a board in the Whiting School. Interface with both undergrads and grads. Bunch of buddies went to Hopkins, several lax players, next door neighbor and friend is one of the all-time Hop lax greats, and on and on.
But it's not my alma mater, so I respect your desire to speak for Hopkins.
But I'm also quite sure I know a heck of a lot more about Ivy admissions than you do apparently. I serve on my alma mater's lacrosse friends board, only hiatus was when my son chose to play at another Ivy. I know the #'s, the range, the latitude that can be given, the #'s for different sports, etc, etc. And of course there's a range for athletes. No kidding. But the target requirements are very real and enforced by the League and the Presidents.
Yes, it's not the same as for Big 10 Hopkins lax and that's entirely ok by me. That said, I would agree with posters who think there's going to be continued pressure in this area going forward. The DIII sports have had a big change in their targets. One of my friends is Hopkins' winningest coach and I've had the pleasure to meet a number of sports' coaches. It's challenging. Yet, they do remarkably well with it.
I quite agree about Title IX's impact on the number of D1 men's programs, but I don't agree that JHU and the Ivies are doomed to second class position ala football, at least not until big, big money intrudes. I hope that's never. But I'm already a dinosaur, so whaddya gonna do?
Seriously, no offense was intended.
And BTW, I hope and expect that there will be a day when Petro is honored very enthusiastically by Hopkins fans. Huge part of the history.
My dad was good friends with Bob Scott, so he was my vision of an iconic Hopkins coach, but each generation of little kids has had theirs.