All things CoronaVirus

[6ftstick]

The mayor of Elizabeth New Jersey is using Chinese Drones to spy on his citizens to ensure they maintain social distancing.

He pontificates "If one life is saved it'll be worth it."

No sir it won't. Gotta stop this crap. Gotta stop it soon

[wgdsr]

Stanford antibody study estimates COVID-19 infected 50 to 85 times more people than testing identified in Santa Clara County

Whats that do to the virulence of the Wuhan Virus?

As the article says:

Based on their results, the Stanford researchers estimated the mortality rate in Santa Clara County to be between 0.12% and 0.2%. By comparison, the average death rate of the seasonal flu is 0.1%.

So Covid may be more spreadable and less lethal than previously thought. That's still dangerous. Since the risk of an infectious disease is the product of those two dimensions. If Covid is both more contagious and more lethal than the annual flu, that's exactly how you get into the SD zone.

If Stanford is correct (TBD) Covid is still 2X to 12X more lethal than seasonal flu. Fauci thinks it will be 1% fatal fwiw. But well short of the Spanish Flu -- 2% lethal.

The dead bodies don't lie.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/wh ... swine-flu/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... odies.html
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronav ... sed-2020-4

chelsea has been particularly hard hit, even for massachusetts. unfortunately, this study evidently was, again... advertised to get people tested that volunteered to be. 1/2 of those (testing positive? all participants? tough to tell for sure linking the 2 articles) had at least one symptom related to coivd/talked to a doctor about it.

so all this study does for sure is confirm (to the degree that test is accurate) that there are a bunch of people out there that have/have had it and not been tested for it. that would mean case fatality is lower, but we seemingly already know that.

the santa clara study advertised for folks as well. getting a community (x10) test for antibodies... test everyone but the anti-vaxxers.... would be great to get a better handle on where we are with this.
and why at this point we don't (worldwide?) have an idea about immunity at least in the short term is really amazing.

[CU88]

LEADERSHIP

Governor Hogan: Md. gets 500,000 COVID-19 tests from South Korea after weeks of efforts

https://wjla.com/news/coronavirus/gover ... E-VnOWTNPM

[runrussellrun]

LEADERSHIP

Governor Hogan: Md. gets 500,000 COVID-19 tests from South Korea after weeks of efforts

https://wjla.com/news/coronavirus/gover ... E-VnOWTNPM

Joe Biden is going to announce a plan to get a test to every single person that wants it. I agree, VP Joe. test EVERYONE for it. See them antibodies floating around. But, we can't do that..........it won't look as scary.

Two months, to get 1/2 a million tests. How many years to get 330 million? this is leadership?

Was this part of the private-public pathways to PPE supply , robust, in fact, chains?

only thing in chains is our minds.

PLEAZSE.......crash internet, crash. Test trail thursday morning......watch and see. 6am to 7;30 am EST.

remember, they can't afford to have photo ID's for voting, BUT, they will have to have them when the mandatory vaccine ghestapo come knocking.

[Typical Lax Dad]

LEADERSHIP

Governor Hogan: Md. gets 500,000 COVID-19 tests from South Korea after weeks of efforts

https://wjla.com/news/coronavirus/gover ... E-VnOWTNPM

Joe Biden is going to announce a plan to get a test to every single person that wants it. I agree, VP Joe. test EVERYONE for it. See them antibodies floating around. But, we can't do that..........it won't look as scary.

Two months, to get 1/2 a million tests. How many years to get 330 million? this is leadership?

Was this part of the private-public pathways to PPE supply , robust, in fact, chains?

only thing in chains is our minds.

PLEAZSE.......crash internet, crash. Test trail thursday morning......watch and see. 6am to 7;30 am EST.

remember, they can't afford to have photo ID's for voting, BUT, they will have to have them when the mandatory vaccine ghestapo come knocking.

Your A team.



He ain’t called Joker for nothing!

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/20/tennis/n ... index.html

[CU88]

A long planned conference call with the Bureau of Census Director and the Oversight Committee, scheduled for 2pm today, was just abruptly cancelled.

No explanation from the Census Bureau or White House.

With only 48% of the nation completing #Census forms, and a pandemic raging in communities, the Census Bureau has nothing to say.

No accountability. No transparency.

A shameful chapter added to a shameful lack of responsibility by the Trump administration.

[CU88]

Hickenlooper: We need universal coronavirus testing capacity to get America back to work


https://www.denverpost.com/2020/03/31/h ... k-to-work/

[kramerica.inc]

With everyone at home, seems like a great time to send the census out.

[DocBarrister]

Just saw on MSNBC one of the protesters demanding the reopening of business wearing a knitted cap with a Nazi cross insignia.

Racist, bigoted moron.

DocBarrister

[Brooklyn]

Just saw on MSNBC one of the protesters demanding the reopening of business wearing a knitted cap with a Nazi cross insignia.

Racist, bigoted moron.

DocBarrister

This is what those delusionals need to sign under oath and threat of perjury:

[wgdsr]

Hickenlooper: We need universal coronavirus testing capacity to get America back to work
https://www.denverpost.com/2020/03/31/h ... k-to-work/

it does beg the question... if a couple residents who work in biotech can get this setup, why couldn't that happen.... everywhere?
by free i assume someone is picking up the tab.
doing it once is better than not at all. what happens after that? tests every week? if there isn't a follow up procedure, and it's not ubiquitous, just buying time.
in the absence of federal help (for now) to get something like this done... float a bond for a working credit line. governors? local board of sup's?

[wgdsr]

Stanford antibody study estimates COVID-19 infected 50 to 85 times more people than testing identified in Santa Clara County

Whats that do to the virulence of the Wuhan Virus?

As the article says:

Based on their results, the Stanford researchers estimated the mortality rate in Santa Clara County to be between 0.12% and 0.2%. By comparison, the average death rate of the seasonal flu is 0.1%.

So Covid may be more spreadable and less lethal than previously thought. That's still dangerous. Since the risk of an infectious disease is the product of those two dimensions. If Covid is both more contagious and more lethal than the annual flu, that's exactly how you get into the SD zone.

If Stanford is correct (TBD) Covid is still 2X to 12X more lethal than seasonal flu. Fauci thinks it will be 1% fatal fwiw. But well short of the Spanish Flu -- 2% lethal.

The dead bodies don't lie.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/wh ... swine-flu/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... odies.html
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronav ... sed-2020-4

chelsea has been particularly hard hit, even for massachusetts. unfortunately, this study evidently was, again... advertised to get people tested that volunteered to be. 1/2 of those (testing positive? all participants? tough to tell for sure linking the 2 articles) had at least one symptom related to coivd/talked to a doctor about it.

so all this study does for sure is confirm (to the degree that test is accurate) that there are a bunch of people out there that have/have had it and not been tested for it. that would mean case fatality is lower, but we seemingly already know that.

the santa clara study advertised for folks as well. getting a community (x10) test for antibodies... test everyone but the anti-vaxxers.... would be great to get a better handle on where we are with this.
and why at this point we don't (worldwide?) have an idea about immunity at least in the short term is really amazing.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/20/bolinas ... id-19.html

about time. maybe we'll have a number of other communities do the same.

[Trinity]

https://twitter.com/shanedunlap/status/ ... 36449?s=21

The army of Trump.

[ardilla secreta]

‘Green Acres’ Actor Tom Lester Dies Because the Government Wouldn’t Let Him Go Outside. Dang City Folk Done Killed Him. Arnold Ziffel Squeals In Grief.

https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/tom-le ... 234585075/

[ggait]

Two months, to get 1/2 a million tests. How many years to get 330 million? this is leadership?

US is currently doing 150k tests per day. While Trump/Pence say that's enough to start re-opening, the experts say you need to get to 500k per day minimum before we can start coming out of our bunkers. But 1M a day would be better.

But any of you that want to come out sooner -- go ahead and mix it up with folks who agree with you. Just keep it to yourselves. How long till we hear the stories of this weekend's protesters winding up in ICU beds?

I don't understand screaming about the lock up orders. I do understand screaming "where is the forking test I need so I can go back to work?"

[seacoaster]

Two months, to get 1/2 a million tests. How many years to get 330 million? this is leadership?

US is currently doing 150k tests per day. While Trump/Pence say that's enough to start re-opening, the experts say you need to get to 500k per day minimum before we can start coming out of our bunkers. But 1M a day would be better.

But any of you that want to come out sooner -- go ahead and mix it up with folks who agree with you. Just keep it to yourselves. How long till we hear the stories of this weekend's protesters winding up in ICU beds?

I don't understand screaming about the lock up orders. I do understand screaming "where is the forking test I need so I can go back to work?"

+1.

[njbill]

The mayor of Elizabeth New Jersey is using Chinese Drones to spy on his citizens to ensure they maintain social distancing.

He pontificates "If one life is saved it'll be worth it."

No sir it won't. Gotta stop this dump. Gotta stop it soon

How many lives need to be saved before it is worth it?

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://twitter.com/shanedunlap/status/ ... 36449?s=21

The army of Trump.

I took a look. I scrolled down a few lines and saw this beauty:

“He's trying to defeat it with a good old dose of American exceptionalism!”

I wonder if that was Old Salt posting on twitter!

[wgdsr]

Two months, to get 1/2 a million tests. How many years to get 330 million? this is leadership?

US is currently doing 150k tests per day. While Trump/Pence say that's enough to start re-opening, the experts say you need to get to 500k per day minimum before we can start coming out of our bunkers. But 1M a day would be better.

But any of you that want to come out sooner -- go ahead and mix it up with folks who agree with you. Just keep it to yourselves. How long till we hear the stories of this weekend's protesters winding up in ICU beds?

I don't understand screaming about the lock up orders. I do understand screaming "where is the forking test I need so I can go back to work?"

i'm still not sure that trump understands you can be asymptomatic and still have it, and pass it on to others. i really don't think he does.

having said that, don't have any confidence that 1 m tests is any better than 100k. everyone knows we have 330 m people in the country, right? if you did 1 m per day, that would be 10% of the entire population in a month, if in fact it was only one person for every test.
how does that work?
over the course of 1 month, 10% of the entire population is tested. what is everyone else doing at this time? are we assuming some validation of immunity gets attached at some point? what about all the people that test negative and are now all out there mixing it up with everyone else? or are they not allowed to work until they get it? i can only imagine the unintended consequences of a policy like that.

who are we testing, people with symptoms? anyone that needs/wants to get back to work so they can be cleared (if immunity, of course).

everybody's just throwing out testing, testing. honestly, i don't even know what it means in the construct of what we'd be doing it for. if it's to clear people for work/get out there in the open, a million tests a day doesn't make a dent.

[MDlaxfan76]

Stanford antibody study estimates COVID-19 infected 50 to 85 times more people than testing identified in Santa Clara County

Whats that do to the virulence of the Wuhan Virus?

As the article says:

Based on their results, the Stanford researchers estimated the mortality rate in Santa Clara County to be between 0.12% and 0.2%. By comparison, the average death rate of the seasonal flu is 0.1%.

So Covid may be more spreadable and less lethal than previously thought. That's still dangerous. Since the risk of an infectious disease is the product of those two dimensions. If Covid is both more contagious and more lethal than the annual flu, that's exactly how you get into the SD zone.

If Stanford is correct (TBD) Covid is still 2X to 12X more lethal than seasonal flu. Fauci thinks it will be 1% fatal fwiw. But well short of the Spanish Flu -- 2% lethal.

The dead bodies don't lie.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/wh ... swine-flu/

Was just discussing this with an infectious disease expert at Hopkins this afternoon.

It's actually more complex. The hypothesis is that exposure has been high, but much of that exposure has been at low viral load levels. People are developing some antibodies, and these low levels are being detected (assuming not false positives) but there's a very serious question as to whether they are actually immune when/if the viral load is subsequently higher.

So, the fatality rate could well be much higher for those who become symptomatic than is the case for those who get the flu and are symptomatic.

We generally don't test people for the flu who aren't symptomatic, right?
Apples to apples, COVID-19 may well be much more fatal.
And more transmissible.

As you say, the bodies don't lie.