All things CoronaVirus

[6ftstick]

Frozen Pizza sales in March 2020 up 92% same period of 2019.

[cradleandshoot]

Remake of The Warriors 2020

The Warriors did it! I loved that film.

Warriors, come out and play... just stay six feet away...

I saw that movie in the movie theater when it came out. I watched it in cable a few years ago. It was excellent. Was there a remake?

I don't think there was a remake. I also saw it in the theatre back in the day. i also saw it on cable a couple of times. IMO it is one of those movies that should be seen on the big screen.

[cradleandshoot]

Frozen Pizza sales in March 2020 up 92% same period of 2019.

We have a good supply in our freezer. Our local pizza guy now wants 35 dollars for a large everything pie. Even at that price on a friday you have to call 3 hours or more in advance for a 7pm pick up. The owner says that every friday is like super bowl sunday with the backlog of pizza.

[dislaxxic]

ON TRUMP’S COVID RALLIES: LYING AND BULLYING ARE DIFFERENT THINGS

A worthy read, IMHO...

Ben Smith wrote a column about how the press should deal with Trump’s daily COVID pressers ("pressers" w/strikeout text) rallies that has pissed a lot of journalists off. In it, he suggests even having the debate that he’s actually engaging in is tiresome.

I don’t intend to reopen the tiresome debate over whether news organizations should broadcast Mr. Trump’s remarks. The only people really debating this are the outlets for whom it doesn’t really matter, unless you’re big on symbolism. How many listeners to Seattle’s NPR affiliate are proud red hat wearers? And who thinks that the outlets for whom it would matter — Fox News, most of all — are even considering it? The whole debate seemed rooted in the idea that if only your favored news outlet didn’t live stream the president, he would just go away.

But that’s not the biggest problem with Smith’s column.

The very first line of the column suggests — in mocking tone — that the story of Trump’s COVID rallies is his bullying.

Did you hear? The president said some things today. Mean things! About someone I know … I can’t quite remember the details, or whether it was today or yesterday, or what day of the week it is, anyway.

In claiming the COVID rallies are about Trump’s bullying, Smith focuses on the warm mutual dysfunction of Maggie Haberman’s relationship with the President. He doesn’t talk about the way that the President uses the COVID rallies to denigrate beautiful smart women who are in the room with him, questioning him, which in my opinion is a story unto itself if you want to talk whether symbolism is worth airing or not.

And that’s one of the reasons why — contrary to Smith’s claim — it’s not clear the rallies really are, “The most effective form of direct presidential communication since Franklin Roosevelt’s fireside chats,” because they continue to alienate people like the suburban women would need to win reelection. If it were just about Trump’s bullying, Smith’s argument would still be suspect regarding Trump’s efficacy.

But the debate about the COVID rallies are not just about Trump’s bullying.

On the contrary, they’re about his lies. In his column, Smith suggests that Trump’s COVID rallies only “occasionally” derail the public health response.

[T]hey should cover them as what they are, a political campaign, not as a central part of the public health response except to the degree that it occasionally derails that response.

Trump has encouraged people to take untested medicine, he has refused to model the rules on social distancing his own CDC recommends, to say nothing of wearing a mask in public. He has at times interrupted his medical experts and ad-libbed responses to serious questions with no basis in fact, much less science. He has suggested, over and over and over, that tests are not a crucial part of this response when every single expert says they are. He has used the briefings to celebrate corporations — like Tyson Foods — that haven’t provided their employees adequate protection. He has accused medical professionals of stealing supplies.

Trump’s derailments of the public health response are in no way an “occasional” thing. They happen daily.

Which is why it’s all the more irresponsible — in providing decent advice to go show the human cost of this tragedy (which would entail dedicating the time spent showing Trump’s briefing on showing those human interest stories) — that Smith dismisses the import of fact-checking, of the kind that CNN’s Daniel Dale and Vox’s Aaron Rupar do in real time.

But if the cable networks want an alternative to the briefings, they can get out of the studio and back to what first made TV news so powerful — not fact-checking, but emotionally powerful imagery of human suffering.

During Katrina, for instance, “the power of CNN was having an army of cameras and correspondents all over the Gulf, showing the brutal human and economic toll split-screened against the anemic assurances of the Bush administration,” Mr. Hamby, a former CNN staff member, recalled. “It was crippling.”

Virtually every media outlet has published at least one story emphasizing the main lesson from the 1918 flu: that leaders need to tell the truth, most importantly to convince people to comply with public health guidelines over time. Here’s the version of that argument Smith’s NYT published, written by John Barry, who wrote The Great Influenza.

That brings us back to the most important lesson of 1918, one that all the working groups on pandemic planning agreed upon: Tell the truth. That instruction is built into the federal pandemic preparedness plans and the plan for every state and territory.

In 1918, pressured to maintain wartime morale, neither national nor local government officials told the truth. The disease was called “Spanish flu,” and one national public-health leader said, “This is ordinary influenza by another name.” Most local health commissioners followed that lead. Newspapers echoed them. After Philadelphia began digging mass graves; closed schools, saloons and theaters; and banned public gatherings, one newspaper even wrote: “This is not a public health measure. There is no cause for alarm.”

Trust in authority disintegrated, and at its core, society is based on trust. Not knowing whom or what to believe, people also lost trust in one another. They became alienated, isolated. Intimacy was destroyed. “You had no school life, you had no church life, you had nothing,” a survivor recalled. “People were afraid to kiss one another, people were afraid to eat with one another.” Some people actually starved to death because no one would deliver food to them.

Society began fraying — so much that the scientist who was in charge of the armed forces’ division of communicable disease worried that if the pandemic continued its accelerating for a few more weeks, “civilization could easily disappear from the face of the earth.”

The few places where leadership told the truth had a different experience. In San Francisco, the mayor and business, labor and medical leaders jointly signed a full-page ad that read in huge all-caps type, “Wear a Mask and Save Your Life.” They didn’t know that masks offered little protection, but they did know they trusted the public. The community feared but came together. When schools closed, teachers volunteered as ambulance drivers, telephone operators, food deliverers.

Compliance today has been made vastly more difficult by the White House, echoed by right-wing media, minimizing the seriousness of this threat. That seemed to change on Monday. But will President Trump stick to his blunt message of Monday? Will his supporters and Rush Limbaugh’s listeners self-quarantine if called upon? Or will they reject it as media hype and go out and infect the community?

This is not a hoax.

Telling the truth is a life or death issue during a pandemic. An early study even suggests that Hannity — one of the most important players in Trump’s echo chamber — encouraged his watchers to sustain behaviors that could get them killed.

And in recent days, Trump has repeatedly undermined the advice of his experts, lying about the social distancing of rent-a-mobs challenging shut-downs, and magnifying those who say this virus is, indeed, a hoax.

You cannot separate Trump’s COVID rallies from the public health story. Because his rallies — especially the lies he tells — are a menace to public health.

..

[Brooklyn]

https://twitter.com/althomelandsec/stat ... 76448?s=21

Quite the photograph.

Kudos to you for that gem of a post!


Yeah, the right wing delusionals are quite vocal just like their Tea Bagging predecessors were in the Obama years. Vocal, disrespectful, arrogant, treasonous. But when the NOLA oil leakage crisis emerged, they packed up and left with tails between their legs like scolded dogs. Soon enough when the virus breaks out in their communities they will do the same. Then they will go hat in hand begging the government to bail out their pitiful a$$es because that's the way delusional right wingers always are. Biggest hypocrites and phonies anywhere.

[ardilla secreta]

KENTUCKY REPORTS HIGHEST CORONAVIRUS INFECTION INCREASE AFTER A WEEK OF PROTESTS TO REOPEN STATE
https://www.newsweek.com/kentucky-repor ... te-1498835

Duh.

[cradleandshoot]

ON TRUMP’S COVID RALLIES: LYING AND BULLYING ARE DIFFERENT THINGS

A worthy read, IMHO...

Ben Smith wrote a column about how the press should deal with Trump’s daily COVID pressers ("pressers" w/strikeout text) rallies that has ticked a lot of journalists off. In it, he suggests even having the debate that he’s actually engaging in is tiresome.

I don’t intend to reopen the tiresome debate over whether news organizations should broadcast Mr. Trump’s remarks. The only people really debating this are the outlets for whom it doesn’t really matter, unless you’re big on symbolism. How many listeners to Seattle’s NPR affiliate are proud red hat wearers? And who thinks that the outlets for whom it would matter — Fox News, most of all — are even considering it? The whole debate seemed rooted in the idea that if only your favored news outlet didn’t live stream the president, he would just go away.

But that’s not the biggest problem with Smith’s column.

The very first line of the column suggests — in mocking tone — that the story of Trump’s COVID rallies is his bullying.

Did you hear? The president said some things today. Mean things! About someone I know … I can’t quite remember the details, or whether it was today or yesterday, or what day of the week it is, anyway.

In claiming the COVID rallies are about Trump’s bullying, Smith focuses on the warm mutual dysfunction of Maggie Haberman’s relationship with the President. He doesn’t talk about the way that the President uses the COVID rallies to denigrate beautiful smart women who are in the room with him, questioning him, which in my opinion is a story unto itself if you want to talk whether symbolism is worth airing or not.

And that’s one of the reasons why — contrary to Smith’s claim — it’s not clear the rallies really are, “The most effective form of direct presidential communication since Franklin Roosevelt’s fireside chats,” because they continue to alienate people like the suburban women would need to win reelection. If it were just about Trump’s bullying, Smith’s argument would still be suspect regarding Trump’s efficacy.

But the debate about the COVID rallies are not just about Trump’s bullying.

On the contrary, they’re about his lies. In his column, Smith suggests that Trump’s COVID rallies only “occasionally” derail the public health response.

[T]hey should cover them as what they are, a political campaign, not as a central part of the public health response except to the degree that it occasionally derails that response.

Trump has encouraged people to take untested medicine, he has refused to model the rules on social distancing his own CDC recommends, to say nothing of wearing a mask in public. He has at times interrupted his medical experts and ad-libbed responses to serious questions with no basis in fact, much less science. He has suggested, over and over and over, that tests are not a crucial part of this response when every single expert says they are. He has used the briefings to celebrate corporations — like Tyson Foods — that haven’t provided their employees adequate protection. He has accused medical professionals of stealing supplies.

Trump’s derailments of the public health response are in no way an “occasional” thing. They happen daily.

Which is why it’s all the more irresponsible — in providing decent advice to go show the human cost of this tragedy (which would entail dedicating the time spent showing Trump’s briefing on showing those human interest stories) — that Smith dismisses the import of fact-checking, of the kind that CNN’s Daniel Dale and Vox’s Aaron Rupar do in real time.

But if the cable networks want an alternative to the briefings, they can get out of the studio and back to what first made TV news so powerful — not fact-checking, but emotionally powerful imagery of human suffering.

During Katrina, for instance, “the power of CNN was having an army of cameras and correspondents all over the Gulf, showing the brutal human and economic toll split-screened against the anemic assurances of the Bush administration,” Mr. Hamby, a former CNN staff member, recalled. “It was crippling.”

Virtually every media outlet has published at least one story emphasizing the main lesson from the 1918 flu: that leaders need to tell the truth, most importantly to convince people to comply with public health guidelines over time. Here’s the version of that argument Smith’s NYT published, written by John Barry, who wrote The Great Influenza.

That brings us back to the most important lesson of 1918, one that all the working groups on pandemic planning agreed upon: Tell the truth. That instruction is built into the federal pandemic preparedness plans and the plan for every state and territory.

In 1918, pressured to maintain wartime morale, neither national nor local government officials told the truth. The disease was called “Spanish flu,” and one national public-health leader said, “This is ordinary influenza by another name.” Most local health commissioners followed that lead. Newspapers echoed them. After Philadelphia began digging mass graves; closed schools, saloons and theaters; and banned public gatherings, one newspaper even wrote: “This is not a public health measure. There is no cause for alarm.”

Trust in authority disintegrated, and at its core, society is based on trust. Not knowing whom or what to believe, people also lost trust in one another. They became alienated, isolated. Intimacy was destroyed. “You had no school life, you had no church life, you had nothing,” a survivor recalled. “People were afraid to kiss one another, people were afraid to eat with one another.” Some people actually starved to death because no one would deliver food to them.

Society began fraying — so much that the scientist who was in charge of the armed forces’ division of communicable disease worried that if the pandemic continued its accelerating for a few more weeks, “civilization could easily disappear from the face of the earth.”

The few places where leadership told the truth had a different experience. In San Francisco, the mayor and business, labor and medical leaders jointly signed a full-page ad that read in huge all-caps type, “Wear a Mask and Save Your Life.” They didn’t know that masks offered little protection, but they did know they trusted the public. The community feared but came together. When schools closed, teachers volunteered as ambulance drivers, telephone operators, food deliverers.

Compliance today has been made vastly more difficult by the White House, echoed by right-wing media, minimizing the seriousness of this threat. That seemed to change on Monday. But will President Trump stick to his blunt message of Monday? Will his supporters and Rush Limbaugh’s listeners self-quarantine if called upon? Or will they reject it as media hype and go out and infect the community?

This is not a hoax.

Telling the truth is a life or death issue during a pandemic. An early study even suggests that Hannity — one of the most important players in Trump’s echo chamber — encouraged his watchers to sustain behaviors that could get them killed.

And in recent days, Trump has repeatedly undermined the advice of his experts, lying about the social distancing of rent-a-mobs challenging shut-downs, and magnifying those who say this virus is, indeed, a hoax.

You cannot separate Trump’s COVID rallies from the public health story. Because his rallies — especially the lies he tells — are a menace to public health.

..

I tried so hard to read it Dis. I fell sound asleep after ... A worthy read IMO... Your posts do tend to have that effect sort of like FLP induced narcolepsy.

[6ftstick]

Great news for liberal democrat men.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/19/testicles ... rus-study/

Pelosi, AOC, Tahleeb, Ohmar and Hillary Clinton have all their testicles in a lock box.

Democrat Senator Mazie Hirono—"Men need to Just Shut up."

[6ftstick]

Stanford antibody study estimates COVID-19 infected 50 to 85 times more people than testing identified in Santa Clara County

https://ktla.com/news/california/stanfo ... ra-county/

Whats that do to the virulence of the Wuhan Virus?

[seacoaster]

Great news for liberal democrat men.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/19/testicles ... rus-study/

Pelosi, AOC, Tahleeb, Ohmar and Hillary Clinton have all their testicles in a lock box.

Democrat Senator Mazie Hirono—"Men need to Just Shut up."

Is "testicles" one of your Google alerts?

[seacoaster]

KENTUCKY REPORTS HIGHEST CORONAVIRUS INFECTION INCREASE AFTER A WEEK OF PROTESTS TO REOPEN STATE
https://www.newsweek.com/kentucky-repor ... te-1498835

Duh.

Insert sad, rueful chortle....

[6ftstick]

Great news for liberal democrat men.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/19/testicles ... rus-study/

Pelosi, AOC, Tahleeb, Ohmar and Hillary Clinton have all their testicles in a lock box.

Democrat Senator Mazie Hirono—"Men need to Just Shut up."

Is "testicles" one of your Google alerts?

HAH

[Matnum PI]

jennifer steinhauer (@jestei) tweeted at 11:32 AM on Mon, Apr 20, 2020:
Frustrated by a lack of federally supplied covid tests, Maryland Gov Larry Hogan got thousands Saturday from South Korea, thanks to his wife's negotiations with companies from her native country. (It was first Korea Air flight to event land at BWI)
(https://twitter.com/jestei/status/12522 ... 01094?s=03)

[runrussellrun]

During a catastrophic outbreak, countries may be reluctant to part with scarce medical resources. A robust international stockpile could therefore help to ensure that low and middle resource settings receive needed supplies regardless of whether they produce such supplies domestically.

What the heck.......can any of you quantify what that number would even be? ROBUST...stockpile. What does this even mean, in the real world?

TLD, you think AFAN is making ROBUST amounts of alcohol, or, could he give you a pretty gosh darn close & accurate number?

So, you guys are agreeing with me. That event 201 was useless. A complete waste of time? The coffee IS great at that hotel tho....

You don’t have to go to college to be educated. But I am sure, being uneducated is better than being educated right or they are =.

That event was in October/November 2019 or was it October/November 2016? Delusional.
[/quote]

I have a robust amount to invest

He made a robust amount of saves.

Winning robust games, Maryland went on too...

Can you pick up a robust amount of steak tips.

I drank a robust amount of coffee this morning.


16, 19.......what friggin difference does it make. With solid, sound, robust advice like this, what could go wrong?

[CU77]

You talking about the 60 minutes piece, where Navarro's challenge was simple:

That's not the lie. The lie was claiming that the Trump admin had no idea this was coming and that no one else could possibly have done any better with it. The interview was filmed before Navarro's January memo warning of a multi-trillion dollar hit to the economy leaked. Navarro understood back then, then lied about having understood.

[Cooter]

Stanford antibody study estimates COVID-19 infected 50 to 85 times more people than testing identified in Santa Clara County

https://ktla.com/news/california/stanfo ... ra-county/

Whats that do to the virulence of the Wuhan Virus?

If that were true nationwide it would mean like 35+ million cases.

2nd wave of coronavirus?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/hea ... 151957002/

[MDlaxfan76]

You talking about the 60 minutes piece, where Navarro's challenge was simple:

That's not the lie. The lie was claiming that the Trump admin had no idea this was coming and that no one else could possibly have done any better with it. The interview was filmed before Navarro's January memo warning of a multi-trillion dollar hit to the economy leaked. Navarro understood back then, then lied about having understood.

The coverup almost being worse than the crime?

[Typical Lax Dad]

During a catastrophic outbreak, countries may be reluctant to part with scarce medical resources. A robust international stockpile could therefore help to ensure that low and middle resource settings receive needed supplies regardless of whether they produce such supplies domestically.

What the heck.......can any of you quantify what that number would even be? ROBUST...stockpile. What does this even mean, in the real world?

TLD, you think AFAN is making ROBUST amounts of alcohol, or, could he give you a pretty gosh darn close & accurate number?

So, you guys are agreeing with me. That event 201 was useless. A complete waste of time? The coffee IS great at that hotel tho....

You don’t have to go to college to be educated. But I am sure, being uneducated is better than being educated right or they are =.

That event was in October/November 2019 or was it October/November 2016? Delusional.

I have a robust amount to invest

He made a robust amount of saves.

Winning robust games, Maryland went on too...

Can you pick up a robust amount of steak tips.

I drank a robust amount of coffee this morning.


16, 19.......what friggin difference does it make. With solid, sound, robust advice like this, what could go wrong?
[/quote]

It makes none in your mind.

[ggait]

Stanford antibody study estimates COVID-19 infected 50 to 85 times more people than testing identified in Santa Clara County

Whats that do to the virulence of the Wuhan Virus?

As the article says:

Based on their results, the Stanford researchers estimated the mortality rate in Santa Clara County to be between 0.12% and 0.2%. By comparison, the average death rate of the seasonal flu is 0.1%.

So Covid may be more spreadable and less lethal than previously thought. That's still dangerous. Since the risk of an infectious disease is the product of those two dimensions. If Covid is both more contagious and more lethal than the annual flu, that's exactly how you get into the SD zone.

If Stanford is correct (TBD) Covid is still 2X to 12X more lethal than seasonal flu. Fauci thinks it will be 1% fatal fwiw. But well short of the Spanish Flu -- 2% lethal.

The dead bodies don't lie.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/wh ... swine-flu/

[RedFromMI]

Stanford antibody study estimates COVID-19 infected 50 to 85 times more people than testing identified in Santa Clara County

Whats that do to the virulence of the Wuhan Virus?

As the article says:

Based on their results, the Stanford researchers estimated the mortality rate in Santa Clara County to be between 0.12% and 0.2%. By comparison, the average death rate of the seasonal flu is 0.1%.

So Covid may be more spreadable and less lethal than previously thought. That's still dangerous. Since the risk of an infectious disease is the product of those two dimensions. If Covid is both more contagious and more lethal than the annual flu, that's exactly how you get into the SD zone. The dead bodies don't lie.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/wh ... swine-flu/

And there is a problem with their estimate: people tested were solicited on Facebook, etc. and were essentially self-selected. That means you cannot really make a good estimate of the true mortality rate.