All things CoronaVirus

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How many of your friends and family members have died of the Chinese Corona Virus?

0 people
44
64%
1 person.
10
14%
2 people.
3
4%
3 people.
5
7%
More.
7
10%
 
Total votes: 69

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cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 7:53 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 7:21 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:26 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:43 pm We had our PPP application in the first day the window opened with Bank of America, docs in first day they allowed them to be submitted.

Sitting waiting.

Piddly amount in the grand scheme of things, but interesting that there's no discernible movement. BofA's local bankers know nothing, the chat line knows nothing about individual loans, so the answer is just to sit tight.

I agree, many small businesses may have struggled with the forms for a few days...BofA's portal was straightforward, but then the doc submission didn't match the original described formula, so you had to parse that out. And have the docs ready to roll. We did, but not so sure mom and pops would be quite so organized.

Given some of the idiots we see on TV protesting, gotta imagine many would get a brain freeze looking at the forms.

"Given some of the idiots we see on TV protesting, gotta imagine many would get a brain freeze looking at the forms."

Those are some pretty harsh words from our resident life long Republican champion of moderation. If i didn't know you better it sounds like you are being... :o :o :o judgmental in your tone. ;) Soon it will be time to enter the MD lax spin zone. :P
Have you heard some of these idiots? Yes, idiots.
But worse than idiots, they are knowingly endangering others.

You want "moderate'? ok, not all of the protestors were idiots. Nor were all knowingly endangering others, as some were wearing masks, some were also not leaving their cars and staying distant from others. But they certainly appeared to be the minority.

But, yeah, I imagine the idiots among them would get a brain freeze looking at the forms. Making a sign or obtaining Trump campaign material, putting on some military style clothes, honking your horn, yelling at each other, chanting 'lock her up'...these are all pretty simple to do...filling out those forms correctly requires real concentration. I can understand why that could be frustrating!

I'm not complimenting the forms! They were a pain.

And that's before hearing that the money ran out...
You did a nice job of entering the MD lax spin zone. They may come across as idiots to you. I am certain to them they are exercising their rights under the 1st amendment. They are no different than many other say... far left protesters that express their anger just as aggressively and harshly. You do remember those folks blocking traffic and shouting " pigs in a blanket, fry em like bacon" Were they also idiots in your esteemed opinion? When people want to take to the streets and protest, we may BOTH think them all to be idiots. Have you thought of what the alternative is? We could be living in a country where none of these "idiots" could protest without being thrown in jail. Would that make you feel better. i just found it odd for Mr I'm so temperate Mr moderate to suddenly become so judgemental. You do understand to those of us who read you preaching your gospel to us all every day you are sounding way out of character for who you claim to be.
Yes, I do think there are 'idiots' on both extremes.

You ever actually listened to some of these knuckleheads (either side) spew really stupid things, conspiracy theories, etc?

Truly deranged.
Ask a few very simple civics questions, history questions, and watch the eyes glaze over and dumb answers roll out...again, both extremes.

There are also 'idiots' on both extremes and, hey, some 'moderates', who would have trouble tying their own shoe laces, much less filling out these forms.

My comment was with regard to folks protesting about being angry that the economy being shut down and their likelihood of actually having a beef about not being able to access the financial support more easily during this period.

That beef is legit, IMO.
Endangering others is not.
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tech37 wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 8:05 am If they were brown people you wouldn't hear a peep out of MDlax. He's a champion all right, champion of identity politics.
not sure where you get that from, but sure, I do think that folks have some legit beefs based on how more dominant parts of society have treated them.

You want to call that "identity politics", I'd just call it keeping it real.

But the comment about the 'idiots' in these protests weren't about any sort of racial identity politics if that's your concern...unless you see that in the Confederate flag stuff? I guess I'd agree with you that those particular protestors probably fit into the 'idiot' category. Same for the 'idiots' carrying the assault weapons.
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Trump adviser Stephen Moore says, “I call these people the modern-day Rosa Parks — they are protesting against injustice and a loss of liberties.” washingtonpost.com/national/ralli…
“I don’t take responsibility at all.” —Donald J Trump
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Back to work?

7 weeks ago: 0 deaths
6 weeks ago: 17 deaths
5 weeks ago: 49 deaths
4 weeks ago: 249 deaths
3 weeks ago: 1,588 deaths
2 weeks ago: 7,152 deaths
1 week ago: 18,758 deaths
Right now: 36,997 deaths

Feb. 17: 15 cases
Mar. 17: 6,135 cases
Apr. 17: 701,131 cases

6 weeks ago: 332 cases
5 weeks ago: 2,204 cases
4 weeks ago: 18,763 cases
3 weeks ago: 101,242 cases
2 weeks ago: 277,953 cases
1 week ago: 501,301 cases
Right now: 701,131 cases

Fomenting protest in the face of these numbers, this trend-line, this trajectory?
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California COVID-19 Traffic Report Finds Silver Lining

Crashes and Traffic Are Down by Half, Saving State $40 Million Per Day During Shelter-In-Place

https://www.ucdavis.edu/news/california ... er-lining/
by cradleandshoot » Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:57 am
Mr moderator, deactivate my account.
You have heck this forum up to making it nothing more than a joke. I hope you are happy.
This is cradle and shoot signing out.
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ardilla secreta wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 4:53 am Planned protests in Arizona in support of re-opening the economy, but organizers of the event did urge people to remain in their vehicles during the protest. Really?

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/arizo ... d-protests
According to one poster that is being circulated on a Facebook group titled the "Arizona Conservative Republicans," a "Patriots' Day Rally" has been scheduled at the Wesley Bolin Memorial Park at noon on April 20.

"Join fellow patriots who support the constitution, liberty & re-opening the Arizona Economy," a portion of the poster read.
And the pursuit of happiness!
At least there are still a few Americans around. 8-)
Live Free or Die!
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IHME group has incorporated more detail in their models for each state (considering more types of SD, better extrapolation methods, etc).

Big change is for each state they calculate.
Predicting when the current epidemic phase will end: initial estimates on when we could shift to containment strategies in the US

Social distancing policies, which can range from restrictions on large gatherings to strict stay-at-home orders and closure of all non-essential businesses, have been used as a mechanism to substantially reduce the spread – and thus the immediate toll – of COVID-19. We are now entering the phase of the epidemic when government officials are considering when certain types of distancing policies may be eased. With today’s release, we provide initial estimates that can serve as an input to such considerations in the US.

These estimates assume that when social distancing policies will be eased, such actions will occur in conjunction with public health containment strategies. Such measures include widespread testing, contact tracing, and isolation of new cases to minimize the risk of resurgence while maintaining at least some social distancing policies to reduce the risk of large-scale transmission (e.g., bans on mass gatherings).

We summarize the data and model updates behind this estimation below; the results can be explored online: https://covid19.healthdata.org

We view these estimates as initial projections. We plan to update them in the coming days and weeks as we, collectively, better understand how COVID-19 is affecting locations throughout the world and how the world in turn is responding to the epidemic. Our aim is to produce the best possible predictions given what we know today – and to continually improve these estimates to support further gains against COVID-19 tomorrow.
First results by state: (After <date projected for relaxation> relaxing social distancing may be possible with containment strategies that include testing, contact tracing, isolation, and limiting gathering size.)

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[b]State		Date Projected for Relaxation[/b]
AL		5/18		*********
AK		5/11		******
AZ		6/8		******************
AR		6/22		************************
CA		5/18		*********
CO		5/25		************
CT		6/1		***************
DE		5/18		*********
DC		6/8		******************
FL		6/1		***************
GA		6/15		*********************
HI		5/4		***

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ID		5/11		******
IL		5/25		************
IN		5/25		************
IA		6/29		***************************
KS		6/1		***************
KY		6/8		******************
LA		5/18		*********
ME		5/18		*********
MD		6/8		******************
MA		6/8		******************
MI		5/18		*********

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MN		5/25		************
MS		6/1		***************
MO		6/1		***************
MT		5/4		***
NE		6/29		***************************
NV		5/18		*********
NH		5/11		******
NJ		6/1		***************
NM		5/18		*********
NY		6/1		***************
NC		5/11		******

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ND		6/29		***************************
OH		5/18		*********
OK		6/15		*********************
OR		5/25		************
PA		6/1		***************
RI		6/8		******************
SC		6/1		***************
SD		6/22		************************
TN		5/25		************
TX		6/1		***************
UT		6/15		*********************

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VT		5/4		***
VA		6/8		******************
WA		5/18		*********
WV		5/4		***
WI		5/18		*********
WY		5/25		************
Results are granular by week - and include the level of SD already incorporated for each state.

Best states (est 5/4/2020 can begin relaxing) are HI, MT, VT, MT (fairly low density or isolated like Hawaii)
Next best (5/11): AK, ID, NH, NC
Next best (5/18): AL, CA, DE, LA, ME, MI, NV, NM, OH, WA, WI
Second worst (6/22): AR, SD
Worst (6/29): IA, NE, ND
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Cooter wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:30 am
ardilla secreta wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 4:53 am Planned protests in Arizona in support of re-opening the economy, but organizers of the event did urge people to remain in their vehicles during the protest. Really?

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/arizo ... d-protests
According to one poster that is being circulated on a Facebook group titled the "Arizona Conservative Republicans," a "Patriots' Day Rally" has been scheduled at the Wesley Bolin Memorial Park at noon on April 20.

"Join fellow patriots who support the constitution, liberty & re-opening the Arizona Economy," a portion of the poster read.
And the pursuit of happiness!
At least there are still a few Americans around. 8-)
Yeah. That’ll give “live free or die” a meaning not even General Stark intended: recklessly placing one’s self and myriad others at risk of communication of a contagion. A few Americans? Sounds like you need to read up.
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seacoaster wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:04 am
Cooter wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:30 am
ardilla secreta wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 4:53 am Planned protests in Arizona in support of re-opening the economy, but organizers of the event did urge people to remain in their vehicles during the protest. Really?

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/arizo ... d-protests
According to one poster that is being circulated on a Facebook group titled the "Arizona Conservative Republicans," a "Patriots' Day Rally" has been scheduled at the Wesley Bolin Memorial Park at noon on April 20.

"Join fellow patriots who support the constitution, liberty & re-opening the Arizona Economy," a portion of the poster read.
And the pursuit of happiness!
At least there are still a few Americans around. 8-)
Yeah. That’ll give “live free or die” a meaning not even General Stark intended: recklessly placing one’s self and myriad others at risk of communication of a contagion. A few Americans? Sounds like you need to read up.


Maybe he has read and it's you who needs more data?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... ught-study
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This kind of BS has to stop.

How can there be two conclusions 180 degrees apart based on published results.

And the press offers nothing to support its position or its contributors.

FN insane

LA Times—Malaria drugs fail to help coronavirus patients in controlled studies
The malaria drugs touted by President Trump as potentially “the biggest game changers in the history of medicine” have received a decidedly more sober assessment of their coronavirus-fighting potential

maybe that opening sentence explains it.

https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2 ... ed-studies

From the actual published study in France by a world renown researcher

The HCQ-AZ combination, when started immediately after diagnosis, is a safe and efficient treatment for COVID-19, with a mortality rate of 0.5%, in elderly patients. It avoids worsening and clears virus persistence and contagiosity in most cases.

ABSTRACT

Background

In a recent survey, most physicians worldwide considered that hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) and azithromycin (AZ) are the two most effective drugs among available molecules against COVID-19. Nevertheless, to date, one preliminary clinical trial only has demonstrated its efficacy on the viral load. Additionally, a clinical study including 80 patients was published, and in vitro efficiency of this association was demonstrated.

Methods

The study was performed at IHU Méditerranée Infection, Marseille, France. A cohort of 1061 COVID-19 patients, treated for at least 3 days with the HCQ-AZ combination and a follow-up of at least 9 days was investigated. Endpoints were death, worsening and viral shedding persistence.

Findings

From March 3rd to April 9th, 2020, 59,655 specimens from 38,617 patients were tested for COVID-19 by PCR. Of the 3,165 positive patients placed in the care of our institute, 1061 previously unpublished patients met our inclusion criteria. Their mean age was 43.6 years old and 492 were male (46.4%). No cardiac toxicity was observed. A good clinical outcome and virological cure was obtained in 973 patients within 10 days (91.7%). Prolonged viral carriage at completion of treatment was observed in 47 patients (4.4%) and was associated to a higher viral load at diagnosis (p < 10-2) but viral culture was negative at day 10 and all but one were PCR-cleared at day 15. A poor outcome was observed for 46 patients (4.3%); 10 were transferred to intensive care units, 5 patients died (0.47%) (74-95 years old) and 31 required 10 days of hospitalization or more. Among this group, 25 patients are now cured and 16 are still hospitalized (98% of patients cured so far). Poor clinical outcome was significantly associated to older age (OR 1.11), initial higher severity (OR 10.05) and low hydroxychloroquine serum concentration. In addition, both poor clinical and virological outcomes were associated to the use of selective beta-blocking agents and angiotensin II receptor blockers (P<0.05). Mortality was significantly lower in patients who had received > 3 days of HCQ-AZ than in patients treated with other regimens both at IHU and in all Marseille public hospitals (p< 10-2).

Source: https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/
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6ftstick wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:07 am This kind of BS has to stop.

How can there be two conclusions 180 degrees apart based on published results.

And the press offers nothing to support its position or its contributors.

FN insane


6: read my last post on Progressive Ideology. Might help explain some of that.

Cheers on a beautiful Saturday!
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jhu72 wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:10 amleeches.gif
Are you a flat earther skippy

Do you only believe in MODELS that are constantly wrong exponentially and repeatedly.

PUBLISHED FACTS THAT YOU IGNORE

From March 3rd to April 9th, 2020, 59,655 specimens from 38,617 patients were tested for COVID-19 by PCR. Of the 3,165 positive patients placed in the care of our institute, 1061 previously unpublished patients met our inclusion criteria. Their mean age was 43.6 years old and 492 were male (46.4%). No cardiac toxicity was observed. A good clinical outcome and virological cure was obtained in 973 patients within 10 days (91.7%). Prolonged viral carriage at completion of treatment was observed in 47 patients (4.4%) and was associated to a higher viral load at diagnosis (p < 10-2) but viral culture was negative at day 10 and all but one were PCR-cleared at day 15. A poor outcome was observed for 46 patients (4.3%); 10 were transferred to intensive care units, 5 patients died (0.47%) (74-95 years old) and 31 required 10 days of hospitalization or more. Among this group, 25 patients are now cured and 16 are still hospitalized (98% of patients cured so far). Poor clinical outcome was significantly associated to older age (OR 1.11), initial higher severity (OR 10.05) and low hydroxychloroquine serum concentration. In addition, both poor clinical and virological outcomes were associated to the use of selective beta-blocking agents and angiotensin II receptor blockers (P<0.05). Mortality was significantly lower in patients who had received > 3 days of HCQ-AZ than in patients treated with other regimens both at IHU and in all Marseille public hospitals (p< 10-2).
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cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:38 am
Nigel wrote: Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:47 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Apr 17, 2020 5:07 pm https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest ... t-21882132 I just read this, any truth to this or are we now in conspiracy theory land?
Two other recent headlines from the Daily Star

Coronavirus 'could be spreading across the globe through farts' claim doctors
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest ... s-21852204

Landlords 'asking for sex and nudes instead of rent' during coronavirus crisis
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest ... d-21852084

Hmmmmm....
With all the rumors going on about COVID and how it spreads why not throw flatulence into the mix? :D
Easy Cradle, you're messing with AOC's area of expertise. She's already after our cows. Next it will be our beans.

If we need that extra push over the cliff, ya know what we do...eleven, exactly.
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seacoaster wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 9:49 am Back to work?

7 weeks ago: 0 deaths
6 weeks ago: 17 deaths
5 weeks ago: 49 deaths
4 weeks ago: 249 deaths
3 weeks ago: 1,588 deaths
2 weeks ago: 7,152 deaths
1 week ago: 18,758 deaths
Right now: 36,997 deaths

Feb. 17: 15 cases
Mar. 17: 6,135 cases
Apr. 17: 701,131 cases

6 weeks ago: 332 cases
5 weeks ago: 2,204 cases
4 weeks ago: 18,763 cases
3 weeks ago: 101,242 cases
2 weeks ago: 277,953 cases
1 week ago: 501,301 cases
Right now: 701,131 cases

Fomenting protest in the face of these numbers, this trend-line, this trajectory?
Good reference points, Coaster. The trend in cases is bending over the last three weeks, which is a good sign, and perhaps a sign that isolation/distancing is working. The trend in deaths is a lagging indicator and hopefully starts to at least flatten if not bend this week. We now have some numbers to refer to as various states start to open up, or protesters relax the distancing directives on their own initiative.

Regardless of one's political leanings I think we can all agree: positive bending good, negative bending bad
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Peter Brown wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:16 am
6ftstick wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:07 am This kind of BS has to stop.

How can there be two conclusions 180 degrees apart based on published results.

And the press offers nothing to support its position or its contributors.

FN insane


6: read my last post on Progressive Ideology. Might help explain some of that.

Cheers on a beautiful Saturday!
BS (PB's take). The difference in two studies is often dependent on the exact conditions under which they were taken. A lot of these "preliminary" studies have very limited numbers of patients (enough that significant error can creep in), and don't yet have a control group. Without a control group you have only a limited idea if the results you are getting is actually due to the intervention (drug in this case) you are attempting, or some other thing - like exactly how you have selected the patients for the trial, or some other way you are caring for them that is affecting the results.

So wildly differing results this early are not that uncommon, and remember - when you are giving drugs as "compassionate" use - you are essentially in a situation where you are almost "desperate" to find a way of keeping someone alive or getting them better at least. So you have a skewed population you are working with.

And that is why the LA Times article says what it does. It is focusing on the study that says little effect.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 8:53 am
tech37 wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 8:05 am If they were brown people you wouldn't hear a peep out of MDlax. He's a champion all right, champion of identity politics.
not sure where you get that from, but sure, I do think that folks have some legit beefs based on how more dominant parts of society have treated them.

You want to call that "identity politics", I'd just call it keeping it real.

But the comment about the 'idiots' in these protests weren't about any sort of racial identity politics if that's your concern...unless you see that in the Confederate flag stuff? I guess I'd agree with you that those particular protestors probably fit into the 'idiot' category. Same for the 'idiots' carrying the assault weapons.
Point is...if anyone who you consider a Trumpist ( :roll: ) had questioned protester's intelligence as you did, and the protesters were non-white, you'd be claiming "racism" on here. ;)
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6ftstick wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:07 am This kind of BS has to stop.

How can there be two conclusions 180 degrees apart based on published results.
Simple. Because people are trying to rush the established scientific method and procedures surrounding drug/vaccine testing.

And then they complain when the faulty conclusions are all over the place.

Virologists have been trying to explain this to everyone, but no one, including you, wants to hear it.


This is all rushed, half baked science done in the middle of a pandemic. OF COURSE the numbers are forecasts are going to be wrong. OF COURSE conclusions about drugs are going to be wrong.

There's only so many times scientists can explain this to people. At some point, you have to listen to them.

Or not. And do like Pete Brown does and "blame the liberals", because he thinks vaccines care about party affiliation. :roll:
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Peter Brown wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:06 am
seacoaster wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:04 am
Cooter wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:30 am
ardilla secreta wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 4:53 am Planned protests in Arizona in support of re-opening the economy, but organizers of the event did urge people to remain in their vehicles during the protest. Really?

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/arizo ... d-protests
According to one poster that is being circulated on a Facebook group titled the "Arizona Conservative Republicans," a "Patriots' Day Rally" has been scheduled at the Wesley Bolin Memorial Park at noon on April 20.

"Join fellow patriots who support the constitution, liberty & re-opening the Arizona Economy," a portion of the poster read.
And the pursuit of happiness!
At least there are still a few Americans around. 8-)
Yeah. That’ll give “live free or die” a meaning not even General Stark intended: recklessly placing one’s self and myriad others at risk of communication of a contagion. A few Americans? Sounds like you need to read up.


Maybe he has read and it's you who needs more data?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... ught-study
Your trolling is ineffective. The study is here:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 20062463v1

Read the readers' notes, which the Fox News reporter dutifully ignored too.

Putting people at risk through your exercise of "freedoms" and "liberty" is not OK. We should be, as a community and as part of the social contract, exercising our rights in a manner that bears in mind the health of the whole, and the consequences of the communication of the contagion. But, here again, you follow right-wing lockstep "thinking" because that is the fire hose out of which you drink.

I want the country to "reopen," whatever the f*ck that means. But I want the reengagement of society in the economy to follow the science, not the nutcake silliness that carries a rifle to a street protest.
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Cooter wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:30 am And the pursuit of happiness!
At least there are still a few Americans around. 8-)
:lol: Come on, my man. Give us the full quote.

I'll help you:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Ya skipped over the "life" part.
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