cradle, are you saying that because upstaters are leaving Upstate, "heading elsewhere", that it's getting more expensive to live there?cradleandshoot wrote:There are beginning to be whispers in NYS that Andy may have committed some possible crimes with this deal with Amazon. Oddly enough it is being roundly criticized by democrats and republicans in the state. NYS taxpayers will have to fork up 48000 dollars for each job created. Newly minted congresswoman Ocasio Cortez is concerned that the jobs wont go to the people living Queens and inquired if these will be union jobs. In the meantime Rochester and Buffalo this week each had long standing companies shut their doors... 1000 jobs lost. The plant in Buffalo is the New Era company that the Buffalo Bills Stadium is named after. Actually new era is not going oob, production is being sent out of the country. I am not whining about it because it is what it is. This is why so many people in upstate are heading elsewhere. It has become too damn expensive to live here on a fixed income. In the midst of this problem NYS taxpayers will be asked to dig even deeper one more time. It is great to have new jobs but Andy selling his soul to the devil to get them is not helping NYS as a whole. I hope the devil is not insulted by being compared to Bezos.a fan wrote:You missed my comment on that, old friend. I'd be over the moon livid if I were you. NO ONE was happier than I was that Denver "lost" the Amazon HQ game.cradleandshoot wrote:Yeah a Fan, like it or not all of us here in NYS just signed on for Crony socialism with the wonderful deal that Amazon got in NYS. Can you tell me again how this is so good for those of us in Upstate NY? Sorry but I know you have this wonderful Shangri-La vision for what more socialism will do for our nation. Ain't seeing your vision right now, we are just seeing more of our money headed downstate in a very big way. But I guess those hicks like us in upstate NY just aren't seeing the bigger picture. That picture involves drop trau, bend over, grab your ankles... Andy wants to take a picture with you.
And OF COURSE your home State gave out perqs that far surpassed what Virginia did. You're living in a fantastically corrupt State when it comes to these line item tax handouts.
Sorry, mate. Truly sorry for you.
If so, I don't understand the economics.
On the $48K per job, how much of that is actual taxpayer funding versus tax breaks for the new corporate taxpayer, Amazon?
And what are the projected other tax inflows to the State for the 25k new, high paying jobs? (ignore all the positive spillover effects to other businesses and employment).
1 year, 5 years, 10 years?
I'm not saying that these sorts of deals always give the bang for the buck we'd like (stadiums are way, way worse though), but I sure as heck know that my hometown of Baltimore would have been overjoyed to have been chosen and Maryland was very prepared to pony up big. The Baltimore site, side by side with Under Armour in Port Covington/South Baltimore industrial area,, would have been tremendously helpful as an anchor employer, esp. in the tech arena. And yes, those spillover effects would have been terrific for overall regional economic growth and employment.