All things CoronaVirus

[Typical Lax Dad]

Here in Maryland, face-masks will be required in stores or on public transportation, starting Saturday

I'm wearing a mask to keep me from infecting you.

So if you are not willing to return the favor by wearing a mask to keep from infecting me, then you should stay off my forking bus. And stay out of my forking grocery store.

You are not doing me any real favor, I have accepted that I will probably get this virus given its infectiousness.

You seem to feel you can tell me what to do, so why don't you just stay home.

There is 644,823 tested cases in the U.S., which given all the asymptomatic and mild cases means there are probably well over a million cases in the U.S. - perhaps 1.5 million or even 2 million.

Now, if you have a personal death wish, there are ways to go expose yourself, but do us all a favor and immediately thereafter quarantine so as to not infect anyone else, and, if you're one of those who have a serious reaction, please 'die in place'...don't call 9-11.

It is not a death wish. The chances of a healthy person dying from this disease are rather small.
If you are hysterically afraid of it, stay at home!!! Don't tell me what to do.

But spreading it is very high...

[runrussellrun]

My county here in MD has 2,133 total confirmed cases, an increase of 200 from yesterday. Relative to the previous increase of 50, this is a huge jump. I have not found any explanation for it; it could be a result of working through the backlog of tests, as it happened with the big increase of 217 reported back on April 8.


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Why don't we just mail everyone a test kit, along with a ballot, and finally just stop all this speculation. Can't some of the giving pledge people do that for us? Bloomie, bill, & tom and no spring chickens. What are they waiting for. If you are going to donate....donate.

A billion from each, $3 billion, should be enough to mail every US address a test kit. Why wait.

Instead, we are getting this nonsense patchwork, fear porn..

Test everyone.....NOW. If you are really concerned.

[runrussellrun]

Here in Maryland, face-masks will be required in stores or on public transportation, starting Saturday

I'm wearing a mask to keep me from infecting you.

So if you are not willing to return the favor by wearing a mask to keep from infecting me, then you should stay off my forking bus. And stay out of my forking grocery store.

You are not doing me any real favor, I have accepted that I will probably get this virus given its infectiousness.

You seem to feel you can tell me what to do, so why don't you just stay home.

There is 644,823 tested cases in the U.S., which given all the asymptomatic and mild cases means there are probably well over a million cases in the U.S. - perhaps 1.5 million or even 2 million.

Now, if you have a personal death wish, there are ways to go expose yourself, but do us all a favor and immediately thereafter quarantine so as to not infect anyone else, and, if you're one of those who have a serious reaction, please 'die in place'...don't call 9-11.

It is not a death wish. The chances of a healthy person dying from this disease are rather small.
If you are hysterically afraid of it, stay at home!!! Don't tell me what to do.

But spreading it is very high...

Another poster, making a statement , as if factual.

Defend your statement with proof. I want something from the MEDICAL community, not infotainment, for profit spin.

You could always repost my texas AM doc's video.

So.......people have tested positive for V-19. SO WHAT. If it ain't killing them, why care? You having a drink of alcohol, today? Oh....in moderation, it's ok.

[MDlaxfan76]

After having shuttered a South Dakota pork processing plant because of a Covid-q19 coronavirus outbreak among its employees, Smithfield Foods now is closing two more plants, is Wisconsin and Missouri.

The Wall Street Journal reports this morning that "Smithfield said that employees at all three plants have tested positive for the coronavirus and that the Missouri plant needed pork supplies from the South Dakota facility to operate."

Some context from the story:

"Since the start of the month, beef, chicken and pork plants have closed across the country after hundreds of workers contracted the coronavirus and hundreds more stayed at home for fear of catching it. The close quarters on meat-processing lines have made some meat plants Covid-19 hot spots.

"Companies such as Smithfield, Tyson Foods Inc., Cargill Inc. and JBS USA Holdings Inc. have offered bonus pay to workers, while trying to distance employees with staggered breaks and shift-start times. In some cases meatpackers have placed barriers between line workers. Unions and worker-advocacy groups have called on meat companies to do more."

While there have been some concerns raised about food shortages, "meat industry officials have said that supplies overall remain robust and that meat stockpiles were large before the U.S. coronavirus outbreak," the Journal writes. "Restaurant dining room closures across the country mean that large quantities of ground beef and chicken breasts destined for food service are now sitting in storage and in some cases are being repurposed for supermarkets."

However, Smithfield CEO Kenneth Sullivan has suggested vigilance: "“Our country is blessed with abundant livestock supplies, but our processing facilities are the bottleneck of our food chain … For the security of our nation, I cannot understate how critical it is for our industry to continue to operate unabated.”

The Journal reports that "Sullivan warned that the meat-plant closures are creating a domino effect in the food industry that lays bare the interconnected nature of the U.S. agricultural system. As meat plants close, production of chicken, beef and pork is declining and farmers are left with nowhere to send slaughter-ready livestock."

Ignorant. Smithfield, Tysons, are owned by commie Chinese. Using Mitch McConnells father in laws boats.

Meatpacking......any illegals working at these vaunted jobs?

You actually "believe" that they tested ALL the workers for V-19? That is why they are shutting the plants down? Not b/c humans don't want to risk their lives, getting paid $100 a week ?

You, and I , can't get tested. But meatpackers, b/c they care SO much about their health, THEY got tested? With no symptoms? Is this how South Dakota is rolling? Don't be so gullible.

Black hole. Tyson same issue. Cargill same issue. All food processing plants. Distribution facilities.

These facilities have remained operational, with many people working in proximity with one another.

Not enough PPE to go around.

When people start to die, they get tested, then they test others symptomatic, then they test others who have been in proximity...then they shut down the plant to protect from further spread.

The problem is the proximity, the lack of PPE.

please stop trolling, black hole.

[runrussellrun]

Here in Maryland, face-masks will be required in stores or on public transportation, starting Saturday

I'm wearing a mask to keep me from infecting you.

So if you are not willing to return the favor by wearing a mask to keep from infecting me, then you should stay off my forking bus. And stay out of my forking grocery store.

You are not doing me any real favor, I have accepted that I will probably get this virus given its infectiousness.

You seem to feel you can tell me what to do, so why don't you just stay home.

There is 644,823 tested cases in the U.S., which given all the asymptomatic and mild cases means there are probably well over a million cases in the U.S. - perhaps 1.5 million or even 2 million.

Now, if you have a personal death wish, there are ways to go expose yourself, but do us all a favor and immediately thereafter quarantine so as to not infect anyone else, and, if you're one of those who have a serious reaction, please 'die in place'...don't call 9-11.

It is not a death wish. The chances of a healthy person dying from this disease are rather small.
If you are hysterically afraid of it, stay at home!!! Don't tell me what to do.

Cooter, did you ignore the rest?
Not to be harsh, but your risk is not the issue, it's you infecting others because of your choice not to care about your personal risk.

simple, really.

herd shaming.......go along, or ELSE.

got it.

MEASURES? still waiting for you measures.

[Cooter]

Here in Maryland, face-masks will be required in stores or on public transportation, starting Saturday

I'm wearing a mask to keep me from infecting you.

So if you are not willing to return the favor by wearing a mask to keep from infecting me, then you should stay off my forking bus. And stay out of my forking grocery store.

You are not doing me any real favor, I have accepted that I will probably get this virus given its infectiousness.

You seem to feel you can tell me what to do, so why don't you just stay home.

There is 644,823 tested cases in the U.S., which given all the asymptomatic and mild cases means there are probably well over a million cases in the U.S. - perhaps 1.5 million or even 2 million.

Now, if you have a personal death wish, there are ways to go expose yourself, but do us all a favor and immediately thereafter quarantine so as to not infect anyone else, and, if you're one of those who have a serious reaction, please 'die in place'...don't call 9-11.

It is not a death wish. The chances of a healthy person dying from this disease are rather small.
If you are hysterically afraid of it, stay at home!!! Don't tell me what to do.

Cooter, did you ignore the rest?
Not to be harsh, but your risk is not the issue, it's you infecting others because of your choice not to care about your personal risk.

simple, really.

Do you ignore the rest? Severe unemployment. Businesses going out of business. Hundreds of millions of Americans not be allowed to enjoy life.
not so simple, really.

[MDlaxfan76]

Initial jobless claims this week. 5.2 million.

Along with 3 previous weeks wipes out nearly all new jobs created since 2008.

We all need to suck it up and get back to work OUT IN THE WORLD.

of course we do.

The stupidity is to think this can be done without the measures in place to prevent millions of deaths and the collapse of our healthcare and food system, indeed collapse of all social order.

Get the measures in place to prevent that, without the stay in place situation we have now, and EVERYONE will cheer.

"It's not my responsibility"

What are you even talking about? Measures? What measures? What the heck are you even talking about?

More people will die in Baltimore, again, from murder, than will from V-19.

Are cities going to have to hire "measures" enforcement officers? You think the pretend liberals are going to like that a new agency, checking measures, is, also, catching people getting paid $2 a day, because they are not complying with "measures". And are now deported?

You won't reply....everyone just spews nonsense, and never back it up with pragmatic solutions.

What measures are you talking about?

The answer is not "do nothing".

No turd, that is why he mentioned "measures". Which would be doing something. Sorry, coach, I don't understand what you mean when you say I need to take "measures" to stop them from scoring.

I can't do SOMETHING, if I don't know what the plan is.

Do you know what measures he speaks of?

Measures mean something TBD. We will see what they are. It not “nothing”. It’s like what is the climate changing to... “something warmer”.

Discussing this with RRR is a black hole.

"measures" means what the scientists say: getting the incidence way down to low #'s of infected people shredding virus (we won't be able to eliminate it), testing ramped up everywhere sufficient to identify and track ALL indidiccals who are infectious (including asymptomatic), contact tracing of all those likely exposed and thereon.

Meanwhile getting ample masks and other PPE for everyone likely to be in exposed situations and in groups where proximity is more unavoidable. Masks for everyone else, hand sanitizer everywhere. Continuing distancing for any large groups.

The above need to be in place before opening up. It's doable, but requires a big, concerted push. (unfortunately that's not really happening in an efficient way).

Meanwhile developing therapies that not only reduce fatality, but reduce time in hospital or need to go to hospital. When those come on line, risk of overwhelming the health system goes down.

And ultimately one or more safe, effective vaccines. Once that happens, almost every other restriction can be lifted. Hopefully some smart practices will remain, but nothing that prevents an enjoyable, productive life.

repeating, as the black hole and others appear to have missed it.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Here in Maryland, face-masks will be required in stores or on public transportation, starting Saturday

I'm wearing a mask to keep me from infecting you.

So if you are not willing to return the favor by wearing a mask to keep from infecting me, then you should stay off my forking bus. And stay out of my forking grocery store.

You are not doing me any real favor, I have accepted that I will probably get this virus given its infectiousness.

You seem to feel you can tell me what to do, so why don't you just stay home.

There is 644,823 tested cases in the U.S., which given all the asymptomatic and mild cases means there are probably well over a million cases in the U.S. - perhaps 1.5 million or even 2 million.

Now, if you have a personal death wish, there are ways to go expose yourself, but do us all a favor and immediately thereafter quarantine so as to not infect anyone else, and, if you're one of those who have a serious reaction, please 'die in place'...don't call 9-11.

It is not a death wish. The chances of a healthy person dying from this disease are rather small.
If you are hysterically afraid of it, stay at home!!! Don't tell me what to do.

But spreading it is very high...

Another poster, making a statement , as if factual.

Defend your statement with proof. I want something from the MEDICAL community, not infotainment, for profit spin.

You could always repost my texas AM doc's video.

So.......people have tested positive for V-19. SO WHAT. If it ain't killing them, why care? You having a drink of alcohol, today? Oh....in moderation, it's ok.

You are right. May be high. TBD. The hypothesis is being worked out.

We are still in learning mode.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articl ... ansmission

https://www.livescience.com/undetected- ... pread.html

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalt ... 5348f77a39

[runrussellrun]

The problem is the proximity, the lack of PPE.

You mentioned measures need to be put into place before we can return to work. What measures?

You are sandbagging, setting up the "lack of PPE's", as one of the "measures", aren't you? You sly lil Frat boy.

Well, we can't return to work, if we don't have enough PPE's, now can we.

SO.......more stay at home.

without a doubt, when the HiNI hit the USA, social distancing really worked ?

Just curious, Bill Gates, and lots of other Medical communities, actually used this VERY virus, for an exercise. Only problem is, not reading Social Distancing as part of the solution. In fact, in recommendation #3, Bill Gates does the exact opposite. You can't make this turd up. ANd suddenly, 6 months later, the DOCS and medical community has a 180 degree playbook? Do you understand this? It's bizarre. Suddenly, we should LISTEN to this kind of useless advice? put down the fecesbook, social media........debate like an educated person.

https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org ... tions.html

Countries, international organizations, and global transportation companies should work together to maintain travel and trade during severe pandemics. Travel and trade are essential to the global economy as well as to national and even local economies, and they should be maintained even in the face of a pandemic. Improved decision-making, coordination, and communications between the public and private sectors, relating to risk, travel advisories, import/export restrictions, and border measures will be needed. The fear and uncertainty experienced during past outbreaks, even those limited to a national or regional level, have sometimes led to unjustified border measures, the closure of customer-facing businesses, import bans, and the cancellation of airline flights and international shipping. A particularly fast-moving and lethal pandemic could therefore result in political decisions to slow or stop movement of people and goods, potentially harming economies already vulnerable in the face of an outbreak. Ministries of Health and other government agencies should work together now with international airlines and global shipping companies to develop realistic response scenarios and start a contingency planning process with the goal of mitigating economic damage by maintaining key travel and trade routes during a large-scale pandemic. Supporting continued trade and travel in such an extreme circumstance may require the provision of enhanced disease control measures and personal protective equipment for transportation workers, government subsidies to support critical trade routes, and potentially liability protection in certain cases. International organizations including WHO, the International Air Transport Association, and the International Civil Aviation Organization should be partners in these preparedness and response efforts.

[runrussellrun]

Black hole. Tyson same issue. Cargill same issue. All food processing plants. Distribution facilities.

These facilities have remained operational, with many people working in proximity with one another.

Not enough PPE to go around.

When people start to die, they get tested, then they test others symptomatic, then they test others who have been in proximity...then they shut down the plant to protect from further spread.

The problem is the proximity, the lack of PPE.

please stop trolling, black hole.

trolling? I am responding to a post YOU made.

You are amazing........

[Typical Lax Dad]

The problem is the proximity, the lack of PPE.

You mentioned measures need to be put into place before we can return to work. What measures?

You are sandbagging, setting up the "lack of PPE's", as one of the "measures", aren't you? You sly lil Frat boy.

Well, we can't return to work, if we don't have enough PPE's, now can we.

SO.......more stay at home.

without a doubt, when the HiNI hit the USA, social distancing really worked ?

Just curious, Bill Gates, and lots of other Medical communities, actually used this VERY virus, for an exercise. Only problem is, not reading Social Distancing as part of the solution. In fact, in recommendation #3, Bill Gates does the exact opposite. You can't make this turd up. ANd suddenly, 6 months later, the DOCS and medical community has a 180 degree playbook? Do you understand this? It's bizarre. Suddenly, we should LISTEN to this kind of useless advice? put down the fecesbook, social media........debate like an educated person.

https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org ... tions.html

Countries, international organizations, and global transportation companies should work together to maintain travel and trade during severe pandemics. Travel and trade are essential to the global economy as well as to national and even local economies, and they should be maintained even in the face of a pandemic. Improved decision-making, coordination, and communications between the public and private sectors, relating to risk, travel advisories, import/export restrictions, and border measures will be needed. The fear and uncertainty experienced during past outbreaks, even those limited to a national or regional level, have sometimes led to unjustified border measures, the closure of customer-facing businesses, import bans, and the cancellation of airline flights and international shipping. A particularly fast-moving and lethal pandemic could therefore result in political decisions to slow or stop movement of people and goods, potentially harming economies already vulnerable in the face of an outbreak. Ministries of Health and other government agencies should work together now with international airlines and global shipping companies to develop realistic response scenarios and start a contingency planning process with the goal of mitigating economic damage by maintaining key travel and trade routes during a large-scale pandemic. Supporting continued trade and travel in such an extreme circumstance may require the provision of enhanced disease control measures and personal protective equipment for transportation workers, government subsidies to support critical trade routes, and potentially liability protection in certain cases. International organizations including WHO, the International Air Transport Association, and the International Civil Aviation Organization should be partners in these preparedness and response efforts.

Blame your federal government for being unprepared. Bill Gates isn’t an elected or appointed government official. Fixated.

[ardilla secreta]

Univ of Washington team illustrates the adverse impact of visiting ‘just one friend’ during COVID-19 lockdown

https://www.washington.edu/news/2020/04 ... -covid-19/

Obviously this doesn’t apply to people toting firearms manufactured by unicorns.

[runrussellrun]

Discussing this with RRR is a black hole.

"measures" means what the scientists say: getting the incidence way down to low #'s of infected people shredding virus (we won't be able to eliminate it), testing ramped up everywhere sufficient to identify and track ALL indidiccals who are infectious (including asymptomatic), contact tracing of all those likely exposed and thereon.

Meanwhile getting ample masks and other PPE for everyone likely to be in exposed situations and in groups where proximity is more unavoidable. Masks for everyone else, hand sanitizer everywhere. Continuing distancing for any large groups.

The above need to be in place before opening up. It's doable, but requires a big, concerted push. (unfortunately that's not really happening in an efficient way).

Meanwhile developing therapies that not only reduce fatality, but reduce time in hospital or need to go to hospital. When those come on line, risk of overwhelming the health system goes down.

And ultimately one or more safe, effective vaccines. Once that happens, almost every other restriction can be lifted. Hopefully some smart practices will remain, but nothing that prevents an enjoyable, productive life.

repeating, as the black hole and others appear to have missed it.
[/quote]

Measures , means what "scientists" say: What a joke, you couldn't be any less vague.

OK, what they are saying is....what, exactly? Wait and see? Some measure.

Fatalities rates are dropping, as we speak. For the vast majority of the US demographic, you have a better chance of winning the lottery than dying from V-19. FACT.

Why, you also ignore Bill Gates/Bloomie/Hopkins EVENT 201 recommendations.

It is VERY clear they don't think business should be shuttered. Do they? COme on, mdlax, answer the question.

[runrussellrun]

The problem is the proximity, the lack of PPE.

You mentioned measures need to be put into place before we can return to work. What measures?

You are sandbagging, setting up the "lack of PPE's", as one of the "measures", aren't you? You sly lil Frat boy.

Well, we can't return to work, if we don't have enough PPE's, now can we.

SO.......more stay at home.

without a doubt, when the HiNI hit the USA, social distancing really worked ?

Just curious, Bill Gates, and lots of other Medical communities, actually used this VERY virus, for an exercise. Only problem is, not reading Social Distancing as part of the solution. In fact, in recommendation #3, Bill Gates does the exact opposite. You can't make this turd up. ANd suddenly, 6 months later, the DOCS and medical community has a 180 degree playbook? Do you understand this? It's bizarre. Suddenly, we should LISTEN to this kind of useless advice? put down the fecesbook, social media........debate like an educated person.

https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org ... tions.html

Countries, international organizations, and global transportation companies should work together to maintain travel and trade during severe pandemics. Travel and trade are essential to the global economy as well as to national and even local economies, and they should be maintained even in the face of a pandemic. Improved decision-making, coordination, and communications between the public and private sectors, relating to risk, travel advisories, import/export restrictions, and border measures will be needed. The fear and uncertainty experienced during past outbreaks, even those limited to a national or regional level, have sometimes led to unjustified border measures, the closure of customer-facing businesses, import bans, and the cancellation of airline flights and international shipping. A particularly fast-moving and lethal pandemic could therefore result in political decisions to slow or stop movement of people and goods, potentially harming economies already vulnerable in the face of an outbreak. Ministries of Health and other government agencies should work together now with international airlines and global shipping companies to develop realistic response scenarios and start a contingency planning process with the goal of mitigating economic damage by maintaining key travel and trade routes during a large-scale pandemic. Supporting continued trade and travel in such an extreme circumstance may require the provision of enhanced disease control measures and personal protective equipment for transportation workers, government subsidies to support critical trade routes, and potentially liability protection in certain cases. International organizations including WHO, the International Air Transport Association, and the International Civil Aviation Organization should be partners in these preparedness and response efforts.

Blame your federal government for being unprepared. Bill Gates isn’t an elected or appointed government official. Fixated.

Ummm, I do, every day. You guys? Worried about a tv reality guy, blame him.

and then, out of the other side of your mouths, utter THIS: "..elected officials don't write the laws anyway, K street does..."

who keeps on posting ALEC links, you or me

Bill Gates ain't elected. Nor a college grad. What the heck are we listening to him, then? Is her powerless to help. To give. As he pledged.

[Typical Lax Dad]

The problem is the proximity, the lack of PPE.

You mentioned measures need to be put into place before we can return to work. What measures?

You are sandbagging, setting up the "lack of PPE's", as one of the "measures", aren't you? You sly lil Frat boy.

Well, we can't return to work, if we don't have enough PPE's, now can we.

SO.......more stay at home.

without a doubt, when the HiNI hit the USA, social distancing really worked ?

Just curious, Bill Gates, and lots of other Medical communities, actually used this VERY virus, for an exercise. Only problem is, not reading Social Distancing as part of the solution. In fact, in recommendation #3, Bill Gates does the exact opposite. You can't make this turd up. ANd suddenly, 6 months later, the DOCS and medical community has a 180 degree playbook? Do you understand this? It's bizarre. Suddenly, we should LISTEN to this kind of useless advice? put down the fecesbook, social media........debate like an educated person.

https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org ... tions.html

Countries, international organizations, and global transportation companies should work together to maintain travel and trade during severe pandemics. Travel and trade are essential to the global economy as well as to national and even local economies, and they should be maintained even in the face of a pandemic. Improved decision-making, coordination, and communications between the public and private sectors, relating to risk, travel advisories, import/export restrictions, and border measures will be needed. The fear and uncertainty experienced during past outbreaks, even those limited to a national or regional level, have sometimes led to unjustified border measures, the closure of customer-facing businesses, import bans, and the cancellation of airline flights and international shipping. A particularly fast-moving and lethal pandemic could therefore result in political decisions to slow or stop movement of people and goods, potentially harming economies already vulnerable in the face of an outbreak. Ministries of Health and other government agencies should work together now with international airlines and global shipping companies to develop realistic response scenarios and start a contingency planning process with the goal of mitigating economic damage by maintaining key travel and trade routes during a large-scale pandemic. Supporting continued trade and travel in such an extreme circumstance may require the provision of enhanced disease control measures and personal protective equipment for transportation workers, government subsidies to support critical trade routes, and potentially liability protection in certain cases. International organizations including WHO, the International Air Transport Association, and the International Civil Aviation Organization should be partners in these preparedness and response efforts.

Blame your federal government for being unprepared. Bill Gates isn’t an elected or appointed government official. Fixated.

Ummm, I do, every day. You guys? Worried about a tv reality guy, blame him.

and then, out of the other side of your mouths, utter THIS: "..elected officials don't write the laws anyway, K street does..."

who keeps on posting ALEC links, you or me

Bill Gates ain't elected. Nor a college grad. What the heck are we listening to him, then? Is her powerless to help. To give. As he pledged.

You are fixated. Our federal government let us down.

[RedFromMI]

More on Excess Mortality and COVID19’s Hidden Toll

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/mo ... idden-toll

samplings of data from New York, Spain and Italy suggest a pattern in which the true scale of mortality tied to the COVID19 Crisis is roughly twice that recorded in the COVID19 death tolls we see each day, and sometimes much higher.

First, the United Kingdom has released provisional data through the 14 week of the year – March 30 through April 5th. For England and Wales, the excess mortality over the five year average was 6,082 whereas the total COVID19 death toll was 3,475. In this case, the official toll accounts for only 57% of the recorded excess mortality. A bit higher than the rule of thumb but close. (Oddly the UK dataset refers to this as the week ending April 3rd, despite Week 14 ending on April 5th. Regardless, the numbers and percentages are the same whichever seven days are being counted.)

Second, the Netherlands’ National Institute for Public Health and the Environment has produced this report which notes that excess mortality in the country from March 26th through April 1st was “approximately twice as high as the COVID-19 deaths reported to RIVM in the same week.”

Third, I’ve previously noted some data from Spain. Here I noted data from Madrid in the second half of March, that was roughly double. But there’s also data from March 10th-16th. In that case the 192 official COVID19 fatalities account for only 37% of the full excess mortality during the period (524). A comparable look at the Castilla la Mancha from March 15th-24th shows official COVID19 deaths accounting for 51% of the total excess mortality. (See this March 28th article in El Pais.)

Finally, The Economist notes more extensive data which L’Eco di Bergamo compiled of 82 localities in Bergamo province. In March, they logged a total excess mortality of 2,420 deaths of which only 1,140 were officially attributed to COVID19. Here the percentage captured is 47%.

These are different countries, different epidemics, different record keeping systems, all taking place in one of the most turbulent run of weeks since the Second World War. For all that chaos and variety, the consistency of this simple pattern is remarkable.

[runrussellrun]

Here in Maryland, face-masks will be required in stores or on public transportation, starting Saturday

I'm wearing a mask to keep me from infecting you.

So if you are not willing to return the favor by wearing a mask to keep from infecting me, then you should stay off my forking bus. And stay out of my forking grocery store.

You are not doing me any real favor, I have accepted that I will probably get this virus given its infectiousness.

You seem to feel you can tell me what to do, so why don't you just stay home.

There is 644,823 tested cases in the U.S., which given all the asymptomatic and mild cases means there are probably well over a million cases in the U.S. - perhaps 1.5 million or even 2 million.

Now, if you have a personal death wish, there are ways to go expose yourself, but do us all a favor and immediately thereafter quarantine so as to not infect anyone else, and, if you're one of those who have a serious reaction, please 'die in place'...don't call 9-11.

It is not a death wish. The chances of a healthy person dying from this disease are rather small.
If you are hysterically afraid of it, stay at home!!! Don't tell me what to do.

But spreading it is very high...

Another poster, making a statement , as if factual.

Defend your statement with proof. I want something from the MEDICAL community, not infotainment, for profit spin.

You could always repost my texas AM doc's video.

So.......people have tested positive for V-19. SO WHAT. If it ain't killing them, why care? You having a drink of alcohol, today? Oh....in moderation, it's ok.

You are right. May be high. TBD. The hypothesis is being worked out.

We are still in learning mode.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articl ... ansmission

https://www.livescience.com/undetected- ... pread.html

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalt ... 5348f77a39

Any of the giving pledge phonies own FUTURE stock

https://www.londonstockexchange.com/exc ... ml?lang=en

FUTURE, owns Livescience.

Like I said, MEDICAL reports, not the oligarchies message machine. Not infotainment.

At least you have a chance at "facts" with medical reports, even with the built in grant writing bias.

MDLax better get his family up to Squam, real soon. He's lucky global warming has made it a really cold spring, unless they don't allow them types outside the beltway. Guess he's safe when the riots start. What, they DIDN"T? You don't think a PG county cop is going to be all "measures" happy? The same people who beat up college kids, with horsies and helicopters? Do you have any sense of history. POWERGRAB....and our elected officials are LOVING it........

[runrussellrun]

The problem is the proximity, the lack of PPE.

You mentioned measures need to be put into place before we can return to work. What measures?

You are sandbagging, setting up the "lack of PPE's", as one of the "measures", aren't you? You sly lil Frat boy.

Well, we can't return to work, if we don't have enough PPE's, now can we.

SO.......more stay at home.

without a doubt, when the HiNI hit the USA, social distancing really worked ?

Just curious, Bill Gates, and lots of other Medical communities, actually used this VERY virus, for an exercise. Only problem is, not reading Social Distancing as part of the solution. In fact, in recommendation #3, Bill Gates does the exact opposite. You can't make this turd up. ANd suddenly, 6 months later, the DOCS and medical community has a 180 degree playbook? Do you understand this? It's bizarre. Suddenly, we should LISTEN to this kind of useless advice? put down the fecesbook, social media........debate like an educated person.

https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org ... tions.html

Countries, international organizations, and global transportation companies should work together to maintain travel and trade during severe pandemics. Travel and trade are essential to the global economy as well as to national and even local economies, and they should be maintained even in the face of a pandemic. Improved decision-making, coordination, and communications between the public and private sectors, relating to risk, travel advisories, import/export restrictions, and border measures will be needed. The fear and uncertainty experienced during past outbreaks, even those limited to a national or regional level, have sometimes led to unjustified border measures, the closure of customer-facing businesses, import bans, and the cancellation of airline flights and international shipping. A particularly fast-moving and lethal pandemic could therefore result in political decisions to slow or stop movement of people and goods, potentially harming economies already vulnerable in the face of an outbreak. Ministries of Health and other government agencies should work together now with international airlines and global shipping companies to develop realistic response scenarios and start a contingency planning process with the goal of mitigating economic damage by maintaining key travel and trade routes during a large-scale pandemic. Supporting continued trade and travel in such an extreme circumstance may require the provision of enhanced disease control measures and personal protective equipment for transportation workers, government subsidies to support critical trade routes, and potentially liability protection in certain cases. International organizations including WHO, the International Air Transport Association, and the International Civil Aviation Organization should be partners in these preparedness and response efforts.

Blame your federal government for being unprepared. Bill Gates isn’t an elected or appointed government official. Fixated.

Ummm, I do, every day. You guys? Worried about a tv reality guy, blame him.

and then, out of the other side of your mouths, utter THIS: "..elected officials don't write the laws anyway, K street does..."

who keeps on posting ALEC links, you or me

Bill Gates ain't elected. Nor a college grad. What the heck are we listening to him, then? Is her powerless to help. To give. As he pledged.

You are fixated. Our federal government let us down.

No turd, but, all alone in the TAATS thread, aren't I?

Our Federal Govt. has 3 brances. How are the Supremes letting us down? I can give you several ways, but I would like to hear your thoughts ?

Yes, according to the 60 minutes video, in 2005, when Shrub was POTUSA, Dr. Fauci said we had given $8 billion to prepare for the pandemic.

TEA party........cared about that kind of waste. Not waste? Show us, folks that got the $8 billion. What should we do? 15 years ago. Of course our Federal Govt. let us down. Yup, all their faults. guess YOU don't vote. Don't write your COngress. State Rep. .....don't engage with any elected official. Ever.

How do you know about ALEC, than? Aren't THEY to blame? Look in the mirror......we don't care about budgets. Waste. TAATS.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Here in Maryland, face-masks will be required in stores or on public transportation, starting Saturday

I'm wearing a mask to keep me from infecting you.

So if you are not willing to return the favor by wearing a mask to keep from infecting me, then you should stay off my forking bus. And stay out of my forking grocery store.

You are not doing me any real favor, I have accepted that I will probably get this virus given its infectiousness.

You seem to feel you can tell me what to do, so why don't you just stay home.

There is 644,823 tested cases in the U.S., which given all the asymptomatic and mild cases means there are probably well over a million cases in the U.S. - perhaps 1.5 million or even 2 million.

Now, if you have a personal death wish, there are ways to go expose yourself, but do us all a favor and immediately thereafter quarantine so as to not infect anyone else, and, if you're one of those who have a serious reaction, please 'die in place'...don't call 9-11.

It is not a death wish. The chances of a healthy person dying from this disease are rather small.
If you are hysterically afraid of it, stay at home!!! Don't tell me what to do.

But spreading it is very high...

Another poster, making a statement , as if factual.

Defend your statement with proof. I want something from the MEDICAL community, not infotainment, for profit spin.

You could always repost my texas AM doc's video.

So.......people have tested positive for V-19. SO WHAT. If it ain't killing them, why care? You having a drink of alcohol, today? Oh....in moderation, it's ok.

You are right. May be high. TBD. The hypothesis is being worked out.

We are still in learning mode.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articl ... ansmission

https://www.livescience.com/undetected- ... pread.html

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalt ... 5348f77a39

Any of the giving pledge phonies own FUTURE stock

https://www.londonstockexchange.com/exc ... ml?lang=en

FUTURE, owns Livescience.

Like I said, MEDICAL reports, not the oligarchies message machine. Not infotainment.

At least you have a chance at "facts" with medical reports, even with the built in grant writing bias.

MDLax better get his family up to Squam, real soon. He's lucky global warming has made it a really cold spring, unless they don't allow them types outside the beltway. Guess he's safe when the riots start. What, they DIDN"T? You don't think a PG county cop is going to be all "measures" happy? The same people who beat up college kids, with horsies and helicopters? Do you have any sense of history. POWERGRAB....and our elected officials are LOVING it........

Like I said, the hypothesis is being worked on. We will know if there is anything to it or not. For now, I will take the advice of healthcare professionals. You can ignore it....mingle with some strangers you don't know that haven't been practicing social distancing. Nobody can stop you.

[runrussellrun]

Nobody can stop you?

Are you really this vapid? Cops aren't arresting church goers? Surfers........ there choice.

Reality.......alludes most on these threads.