nyjay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:26 pm
The Stanwicks are both underappreciated. That said, this was the all time JHU lacrosse team. You know, the program with 44 national championships and 182 first team all americans. So OK with me that they got left off. Brown only got on the team due to recency bias. Why Brown over Wells & Shack? Well, both Wells and Shack were really heavily hyped as recruits and so expectations were sky high - #1 recruits are supposed to end up in the Tewaaraton conversation, not as HM AAs (kind of like their older brother). While unfair, neither one of them truly lived up to the hype. The teams they were on were also fairly disappointing, as we all well know. Loved having both of them on the team, seem like first class people and excellent attackmen. If you're not a first team AA and don't win (or even really sniff) a national championship, not sure you really belong on the all time JHU lacrosse team. Sorry, but those are the facts.
I think Brown wears a halo these days because he's the last guy in the program to develop into a star out of nowhere. I mean he was a Dartmouth commit (love the Big Green, but Dartmouth? Really?). I can't say I was reading this forum back in his early days (didn't know it existed, wish I had), but pretty sure no one expected anything out of him. And then he drops 8 on that awful school from central NY as an unheralded sophomore (yeah, we lost but still)? And he does it with that shooting stroke? How could we all not fall in love with that when everything seems to be collapsing around us?
So, much love for the Stanwicks, and it's true that no one from the last 15 years belongs on the all time team, but if it's got to be someone recent, Brown - from underdog to best shooter in the world - has got to be the guy.
I'm a Dartmouth guy and didn't know that Ryan had ever been a Dartmouth commit. ahhh well.
My son played against Ryan a bunch of times and with him for a fun tournament in their post junior season summer representing State of Maryland. He was very under appreciated early on, in the shadow of fellow attackmen at Calvert Hall, having transferred in. But it was absolutely clear to me from that tourney that he was a tremendous talent with enormous competitive spirit. He and my goalie son hooked up on an epic play by both of them to tie in the final seconds, then win in OT. Ryan's effort was incredible, all determination.
So, it was no surprise that he continued to develop.
My son said Ryan's shot was the toughest to stop he faced, and that includes a bunch of 1st team AA's shots, including Lyle. Beautiful stroke, hidden head, no idea where the ball was going.
My son played against Wells once and multiple times against Shack. Beautiful, smart players who did anything and everything. Made everyone better around them, and when they needed to, they did it themselves. Happy to say my son was on the winning side each time.
But I'd agree there's an awful lot of extraordinary attackmen to choose from in JHU history. Hard to have anyone on that list who wasn't a multiple time 1st team AA. I get the recency bias as well as the reality that there's a heck of a lot more great players in the way of 1st team AA status, but you gotta use some measure...
Comparing attack QB's with shooters is difficult. If you are constructing a team, you need both.
and if you're evaluating the Stanwicks as QB's across all the decades, would they really be at the top of the Hopkins list?
Really no FOGO's?