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Peter Brown wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:40 am
holmes435 wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:01 am There's a reason why Florida Man is a thing...


It's an awful state; please stay away! :lol: :lol:


https://www.sun-sentinel.com/business/f ... story.html

Both my parents were born in Florida in the 30's and early 40's and left after college. We went down there a lot to visit my grandparents in Tampa and near Orlando when they were still alive. My parents said all the snowbirds have ruined the state.

You should welcome all those pensioners - they mostly vote R.
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holmes435 wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:21 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:40 am
holmes435 wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:01 am There's a reason why Florida Man is a thing...


It's an awful state; please stay away! :lol: :lol:


https://www.sun-sentinel.com/business/f ... story.html

Both my parents were born in Florida in the 30's and early 40's and left after college. We went down there a lot to visit my grandparents in Tampa and near Orlando when they were still alive. My parents said all the snowbirds have ruined the state.

You should welcome all those pensioners - they mostly vote R.


We welcome all those who embrace low taxation. The only Floridians who vote Democrat are the hopelessly ignorant, primarily located in Miami Dade, Broward, and part of Palm Beach. Oh also that jerkwater city Tallahassee.

What gets our gander are those northern libs who try to bring their atrocious policies here. I wish we could quarantine them.

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I'm not sure anyone posted the actual per curiam decision of the majority and the four dissenters, but here it is:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/1 ... 6_o759.pdf
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seacoaster wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:43 pm I'm not sure anyone posted the actual per curiam decision of the majority and the four dissenters, but here it is:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/1 ... 6_o759.pdf


If you actually read those opinions (I just did, thanks for the link), it's apparent how Democrats see any judiciary: as their attorneys. Republicans prefer that actual attorneys actually perform the work they are paid to do.

So, let's get to the action. Apparently the lawyers for Gov Evers failed multiple times to actually ask the court for relief and action...attorney failures, in a normal world, are on them. But the Left wanted the court to intervene and side with the Governor by doing his legal work for him. Read this from the majority opinion:

In their preliminary injunction motions, the plaintiffs did not ask that the District Court allow ballots mailed and postmarked after election day, April 7, to be counted. That is a critical point in the case. Nonetheless, five days before the scheduled election, the District Court unilaterally ordered that absentee ballots mailed and postmarked after election day, April 7, still be counted so long as they are received by April 13. Extending the date by which ballots may be cast by voters—not just received by the municipal clerks but cast by voters—for an additional six days after the scheduled election day fundamentally alters the nature of the election. And again, the plaintiffs themselves did not even ask for that relief in their preliminary injunction motions. Our point is not that the argument is necessarily forfeited, but is that the plaintiffs themselves did not see the need to ask for such relief.

Man, does this majority opinion ever explain how Libs see courts: as activists.

If your lawyers fail to request relief or action in any court, guess what: you don't get relief or action. Here however, libs want the courts to do their work for them.

I'm more glad than ever that SCOTUS ruled as they did. The bigger question is (once again): can you believe four seemingly sane justices would vote otherwise? You would have chaos in the courts if the libs controlled things. jfc, what a clown show.
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njbill wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:02 pm For Pete:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o80BB0qZoVM

Regards,

Randy


jfc, I am reading Ginsberg's incredibly faulty logic...she is not a jurist but a partisan nutjob. I know she's your Queen, but maybe it's time for her to move along?

Read this wild statement:

Second, the Court’s order cites Purcell, apparently skeptical of the District Court’s intervention shortly before an election. Nevermind that the District Court was reacting to a grave, rapidly developing public health crisis. If proximity to the election counseled hesitation when the District Court acted several days ago, this Court’s intervention today—even closer to the election—is all the more inappropriate.

The logic here is that, the Majority said a court should never change voting rules so close to an election, so therefore the Majority should not issue a ruling so close to the election!!! :lol: :lol:

What a total birdbrain. Who writes her opinions!??!? No way she would defend that, or would she? Is the left that insane? So, using Ruth's logic, next time any Democrat wants to unilaterally alter voting laws with 24 hours to go, no court can force them to stick to the laws because that itself would be too close to the vote!!

Holy effing chr#st. This country is so effed if these partisan hacks have any whiff of power again.
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On the facts, there is really no question that the Court minority is in the right. I regret that the majority decision seems outcome determinative, aimed at a result that will mandate that the election take place on a single day and that voters who, in good faith a few days before, in response to a pandemic and widespread stay at home and distancing orders, asked for an absentee ballot will not be able to vote. It always sounds melodramatic to say it, but the right to the vote -- to see it counted somehow in an election -- should rally all people and parties to its banner. Not so much from the majority of this conspicuously unsigned, largely analysis-free effort.

This is from Justice Ginsburg's dissenting opinion:

"While I do not doubt the good faith of my colleagues, the Court’s order, I fear, will result in massive disenfranchisement. A voter cannot deliver for postmarking a ballot she has not received. Yet tens of thousands of voters who timely requested ballots are unlikely to receive them by April 7,
the Court’s postmark deadline. Rising concern about the COVID–19 pandemic has caused a late surge in absentee- ballot requests. ___ F. Supp. 3d, at ___–___, 2020 WL 1638374, *4–*5. The Court’s suggestion that the current situation is not “substantially different” from “an ordinary election” boggles the mind. Ante, at 3. Some 150,000 requests for absentee ballots have been processed since Thursday, state records indicate.2 The surge in absentee ballot requests has overwhelmed election officials, who face a huge backlog in sending ballots. ___ F. Supp. 3d, at ___, 2020 WL 1638374, *1, *5, *9–*10, *17–*18. As of Sunday morning, 12,000 ballots reportedly had not yet been mailed out.3 It takes days for a mailed ballot to reach its recipient—the postal service recommends budgeting a week—even without accounting for pandemic induced mail delays. Id., at ___, 2020 WL 1638374, *5. It is therefore likely that ballots mailed in recent days will not reach voters by tomorrow; for ballots not yet mailed, late arrival is all but certain.4 Under the District Court’s order, an absentee voter who receives a ballot after tomorrow could still have voted, as long as she delivered it to election officials by April 13. Now, under this Court’s order, tens of thousands of absentee voters, unlikely to receive their ballots in time to cast them, will be left quite literally without a vote."

Note all of the factual findings recited in this long paragraph. None appear to be in doubt or the result of any error by the factfinder.

The disposition -- read: the practical, real-life effect of the majority's order in the current circumstances where some of us are afraid for our loved ones' lives when they go to work, where folks we know are contracting an illness and diligently trying to learn their personal place of infection-origin -- should concern any American who cares about popular sovereignty, the right to vote and participate in the life of the nation and state. Circumstances appeared to call for some flexibility to ensure this most fundamental of a citizen's rights and most important civil acts, and the majority says "Sorry, no" because of proximity to election day.

Yesterday the President said, in his characteristic rambling discourse in advance of Pence's and Fauci's and Birx's real updates, that he doesn't think anyone should be allowed to vote except in person. You know, on Tuesdays, when we gotta be at work, may not have a car, may be called for duty overseas, traveling to an important business meeting, in the hospital for long-needed and scheduled surgery. At a certain point, you have to either give a sh*t about democracy or stop pretending, and just let people know it's more important for you to be on the winning side.

Here is how Ginsburg concludes:

"The majority of this Court declares that this case presents a “narrow, technical question.” Ante, at 1. That is wrong. The question here is whether tens of thousands of Wisconsin citizens can vote safely in the midst of a pandemic. Under the District Court’s order, they would be able to do so. Even if they receive their absentee ballot in the days immediately following election day, they could return it. With the majority’s stay in place, that will not be possible. Either they will have to brave the polls, endangering their own and others’ safety. Or they will lose their right to vote, through no fault of their own. That is a matter of utmost importance—to the constitutional rights of Wisconsin’s citizens, the integrity of the State’s election process, and in this most extraordinary time, the health of the Nation."

Bookmark this passage for November. It may be the sound of a distant trumpet by then.
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I don’t agree with how either the Wisconsin Supreme Court or the US Supreme Court decided these recent cases, but the real evil meanie in all this is the Republicans in Wisconsin legislature. Fundamentally, it was their job to address this situation in the only reasonable manner possible in consideration of the health and safety of Wisconsin citizens. Extend the date of the primary, as every other state did.

sc, first reference to F. Supp. and WL on FanLax? Nice, though our non-legal posters’ eyes will no doubt glaze over.
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njbill wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:27 pm I don’t agree with how either the Wisconsin Supreme Court or the US Supreme Court decided these recent cases, but the real evil meanie in all this is the Republicans in Wisconsin legislature. Fundamentally, it was their job to address this situation in the only reasonable manner possible in consideration of the health and safety of Wisconsin citizens. Extend the date of the primary, as every other state did.

sc, first reference to F. Supp. and WL on FanLax? Nice, though our non-legal posters’ eyes will no doubt glaze over.
I left the citations -- even in blank -- for you and ggait, and a later, really freaking boring, discussion of the clearly erroneous rule on appeal. I will say, no kidding, that I am surprised at the lackluster effort by the majority. It speaks of, "we got the votes, don't need to think it through too much...."

And yeah, Wisconsans got jobbed by the folks in charge.
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seacoaster wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:32 pm
njbill wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:27 pm I don’t agree with how either the Wisconsin Supreme Court or the US Supreme Court decided these recent cases, but the real evil meanie in all this is the Republicans in Wisconsin legislature. Fundamentally, it was their job to address this situation in the only reasonable manner possible in consideration of the health and safety of Wisconsin citizens. Extend the date of the primary, as every other state did.

sc, first reference to F. Supp. and WL on FanLax? Nice, though our non-legal posters’ eyes will no doubt glaze over.
I left the citations -- even in blank -- for you and ggait, and a later, really freaking boring, discussion of the clearly erroneous rule on appeal. I will say, no kidding, that I am surprised at the lackluster effort by the majority. It speaks of, "we got the votes, don't need to think it through too much...."

And yeah, Wisconsans got jobbed by the folks in charge.
more power to you and njbill for even engaging with Petey on this. He sees everything through such a partisan lens, and with so little legal understanding, it's frustrating to even try to explain stuff to the brick wall.

But for the rest of us, thanks for the analysis from you guys.
Hoping ggait will weigh in as well.
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njbill wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:02 pm For Pete:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o80BB0qZoVM

Regards,

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Peter Brown wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:15 pm
njbill wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:02 pm For Pete:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o80BB0qZoVM

Regards,

Randy


jfc, I am reading Ginsberg's incredibly faulty logic...she is not a jurist but a partisan nutjob. I know she's your Queen, but maybe it's time for her to move along?

Read this wild statement:

Second, the Court’s order cites Purcell, apparently skeptical of the District Court’s intervention shortly before an election. Nevermind that the District Court was reacting to a grave, rapidly developing public health crisis. If proximity to the election counseled hesitation when the District Court acted several days ago, this Court’s intervention today—even closer to the election—is all the more inappropriate.

The logic here is that, the Majority said a court should never change voting rules so close to an election, so therefore the Majority should not issue a ruling so close to the election!!! :lol: :lol:

What a total birdbrain. Who writes her opinions!??!? No way she would defend that, or would she? Is the left that insane? So, using Ruth's logic, next time any Democrat wants to unilaterally alter voting laws with 24 hours to go, no court can force them to stick to the laws because that itself would be too close to the vote!!

Holy effing chr#st. This country is so effed if these partisan hacks have any whiff of power again.
How'd you do in Con Law?

Your're a real gem....a true expert in all fields.

You got the trolling thing down. :lol:
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foreverlax wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:01 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:15 pm
njbill wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:02 pm For Pete:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o80BB0qZoVM

Regards,

Randy


jfc, I am reading Ginsberg's incredibly faulty logic...she is not a jurist but a partisan nutjob. I know she's your Queen, but maybe it's time for her to move along?

Read this wild statement:

Second, the Court’s order cites Purcell, apparently skeptical of the District Court’s intervention shortly before an election. Nevermind that the District Court was reacting to a grave, rapidly developing public health crisis. If proximity to the election counseled hesitation when the District Court acted several days ago, this Court’s intervention today—even closer to the election—is all the more inappropriate.

The logic here is that, the Majority said a court should never change voting rules so close to an election, so therefore the Majority should not issue a ruling so close to the election!!! :lol: :lol:

What a total birdbrain. Who writes her opinions!??!? No way she would defend that, or would she? Is the left that insane? So, using Ruth's logic, next time any Democrat wants to unilaterally alter voting laws with 24 hours to go, no court can force them to stick to the laws because that itself would be too close to the vote!!

Holy effing chr#st. This country is so effed if these partisan hacks have any whiff of power again.
How'd you do in Con Law?

Your're a real gem....a true expert in all fields.

You got the trolling thing down. :lol:


Reading is fundamental, Forverelax. Try it one day!

So, with the quoted section of RBG I highlighted ('SCOTUS can not overrrule the lower court opinion so close to the election date because the SCOTUS opinion says election laws can not be changed so close to an election'!!!! Oh boy, now that's some legal blue suede shoe dancing on the old bird's part!!!!), please do tell how not insanely illogical that is! Please!!!! I'm dying. I don't think I have laughed so hard at such brazen partisanship on a court's part ever!!! But the libs are the legal minds here... :lol: :lol: :lol:

I might even send RBG's words (technically, her liberal clerk's words since she can't read, write, or think any longer, but that's splitting hairs) to my own lawyers to get a feel for how nakedly partisan RBG is in this opinion, but that costs me $500 per email!!!!

Libs are funny until they gain power...then they are dangerous to America. 'Nuff said.
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As I say, always content-free. Best hit the foe button. I’m up to three now.
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Linda Greenhouse's postscript on the Court's failure in Wisconsin:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/09/opin ... court.html

"The Supreme Court just met its first test of the coronavirus era. It failed, spectacularly.

I was hoping not to have to write those sentences. All day Monday, I kept refreshing my computer’s link to the court’s website.

I was anxious to see how the justices would respond to the urgent request from the Republican National Committee and Wisconsin’s Republican-controlled Legislature to stop the state from counting absentee ballots postmarked not by Tuesday’s election but during the following few days.

A federal district judge, noting that Wisconsin’s election apparatus was overwhelmed by the “avalanche of absentee ballots” sought by voters afraid to show up at crowded polling places, had ordered the extra time last Thursday, with the full support of the state’s election officials. Was I the only one left in suspense on Monday, holding out hope that the five Republican-appointed Supreme Court justices would put partisanship aside and let the District Court order stand?

In early evening, the answer landed with a thud. No, they would not.

In more than four decades of studying and writing about the Supreme Court, I’ve seen a lot (and yes, I’m thinking of Bush v. Gore). But I’ve rarely seen a development as disheartening as this one: a squirrelly, intellectually dishonest lecture in the form of an unsigned majority opinion, addressed to the four dissenting justices (Need I name them? Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan), about how “this court has repeatedly emphasized that lower federal courts should ordinarily not alter the election rules on the eve of an election.”

Let’s think about that. “Ordinarily not alter”?

There are quite a few things that should not ordinarily be happening these days. People shouldn’t ordinarily be afraid of catching a deadly virus when exercising their right to vote. Half the poll-worker shifts in the city of Madison are not ordinarily vacant, abandoned by a work force composed mostly of people at high risk because of their age.

Milwaukee voters are not ordinarily reduced to using only five polling places. Typically, 180 are open. (Some poll workers who did show up on Tuesday wore hazmat suits. Many voters, forced to stand in line for hours, wore masks.) And the number of requests for absentee ballots in Milwaukee doesn’t ordinarily grow by a factor of 10, leading to a huge backlog for processing and mailing.

I wonder how Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh understand the word “ordinarily.” And I wonder why the opinion was issued per curiam — “by the court.” Did none of the five have the nerve to take ownership by signing his name?

That the dispute that reached the Supreme Court was the result of intense partisan rancor in a state with a history of Republican-devised voter suppression should have been reason enough for the conservative bloc to stay its hand. Instead, it seems to have been catnip: The Wisconsin Republicans, after all, needed the Supreme Court’s help if they were to keep voter participation as low as possible.

As the pandemic crisis mounted and other states started postponing their elections, Wisconsin’s Republican-gerrymandered State Legislature blocked efforts by Gov. Tony Evers, a Democrat, to go to all-mail balloting or to defer the election until June. This was an important election, including not only the Democratic presidential primary but also a highly charged state Supreme Court election, plus elections for 139 other judicial offices and more than 3,000 local positions. The stymied Democrats eventually went to court, seeking an order to postpone the election or, failing that, at least grant relief to those absentee voters who could not possibly get their ballots in on time.

In his ruling last Thursday, the District Court judge, William Conley, declined to take what he called “the extraordinary step of delaying a statewide election at the last minute.” Nonetheless, he said, he was persuaded that “the asserted harm is imminent and a timely resolution is necessary if there is any hope of vindicating the voting rights of Wisconsin citizens.”

Tens of thousands of voters who requested their ballots on time faced little prospect of even receiving them until after Election Day. Consequently, Judge Conley ruled, ballots did not have to be postmarked by Election Day. As long as election officials received a ballot by the afternoon of Monday, April 13, six days after the election, it would still count, no matter the postmark. (In a subsequent order, Judge Conley barred release of the election returns until that date so that late absentee voters would be as ignorant of the outcome as those who cast their ballots on Election Day.)

In fashioning his order, Judge Conley noted that the head of the Wisconsin Election Commission had assured the court that moving the deadline “will not impact the ability to complete the canvass in a timely manner.” He also observed that “the amicus briefs from various local governments suggest that an extension of the deadline would be heartily welcomed by many local officials.” The United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit denied the Republicans’ request for a stay. The urgent appeal to the Supreme Court followed.

I’ve described the reasoning in the judge’s 53-page opinion in this detail because anyone reading only the Supreme Court’s majority opinion would come away thinking that the order was the act of a rogue judge, cramming an extreme remedy for a nonexistent problem down the throat of a resistant public. There is barely a hint in the opinion of the turmoil in the country. Did it not occur to these justices to wonder why they were working at home rather than in their chambers? It was left to Justice Ginsburg in her dissenting opinion to point out that “the District Court was reacting to a grave, rapidly developing public health crisis.”

While the rest of us are obsessed with the dimensions of that crisis, the justices in Monday’s majority were for some strange reason obsessed with the notion that the Democratic plaintiffs had not asked the judge for the precise remedy he ordered; the opinion mentions this on each of its four pages. But as the plaintiffs told the justices in their brief, and as Justice Ginsburg concluded from reading the transcript of the District Court hearing, that wasn’t true. The plaintiffs “specifically requested that remedy at the preliminary-injunction hearing in view of the ever-increasing demand for absentee ballots,” she wrote.

The other three dissenting justices all signed Justice Ginsburg’s opinion; she spoke for them all. Her final paragraph is worth quoting in full:

“The majority of the court declares that this case presents a ‘narrow, technical question.’ That is wrong. The question here is whether tens of thousands of Wisconsin citizens can vote safely in the midst of a pandemic. Under the District Court’s order, they would be able to do so. Even if they receive their absentee ballot in the days immediately following Election Day, they could return it. With the majority’s stay in place, that will not be possible. Either they will have to brave the polls, endangering their own and others’ safety. Or they will lose their right to vote, through no fault of their own. That is a matter of utmost importance — to the constitutional rights of Wisconsin’s citizens, the integrity of the state’s election process, and in this most extraordinary time, the health of the nation.”

My point is not that the mess in Wisconsin, on full display on Tuesday night’s newscasts, was the Supreme Court’s fault; most of it wasn’t. It’s that five justices were unwilling to do what they could to help. Instead, they intervened, with 12 hours to go before the polls opened, to upend the common-sense solution that a federal judge had devised with the support of the officials who actually had to carry out the election. (President Trump has been candid about his reason for disliking mail-in ballots. They have “tremendous potential for voter fraud and for whatever reason don’t work out well for Republicans,” he tweeted Tuesday as disarray escalated in Wisconsin.).

The court’s behavior this week raises the question whether the empowered conservative majority has the situational awareness to navigate the dire situation that faces the country, and whether it can avoid further displays of raw partisanship that threaten to inflict lasting institutional damage on the court itself. It’s a moment that calls on everyone in a position of power to display vision and a generosity of spirit. I’m not using the word “leadership,” which I would apply to the elected branches of government, because we don’t necessarily want the Supreme Court to lead us. But we certainly don’t want it to get in the way.

As we see not only from the Wisconsin Republicans but from the governors who are cynically and shamelessly using the pandemic as a cover for banning abortion, there are those who will exploit a crisis, even this one, for crass political gain. The American public may well be divided on what it wants from the Supreme Court, but I’m naïve enough to suppose that at least it expects the court not to ally itself with the exploiters.

In her speech last week to the British people, Queen Elizabeth II expressed the hope that “in the years to come, everyone will be able to take pride in how they responded to this crisis.” That goes for the Supreme Court too: History will judge us all. The Supreme Court this week failed not only the voters of Wisconsin. It failed all of us."
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Liberals and their perma-obsession with matters they can't begin to comprehend because first they despise it so much, ie: the Constitution, are Hilarity Incorporated.

Ruth's clerks, with Sotomajor's assistance (remember, RBG has no idea what's being written in her opinions any longer), are upset that the court ruled in a reserved and proper fashion, not making law changes with zero time left on the clock. Something about rules upsets libs. Libs would prefer to have the ability to alter every rule and law known to America, with no time left on any clock, because at the end of the day, they need chaos to effect the change they want for this country, that change primarily being the erosion of any and all civil liberties and rights you now enjoy.

One reason Trump probably should win again is to preserve the court for much longer than what is there now. Without true constitutionalists like Gorsuch on the bench, this country would shatter rather quickly; Sotomajor and gang would prefer we not even have a Constitution. They do not like excellence.

One side is for American excellence, the other seeks its destruction. Never forget that when you vote.
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Keep weighting the Courts in one direction, Pete.

It's inherently bad for our nation, and you know it. Doesn't matter which direction.
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Peter Brown wrote: Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:17 pm Liberals and their perma-obsession with matters they can't begin to comprehend because first they despise it so much, ie: the Constitution, are Hilarity Incorporated.

Ruth's clerks, with Sotomajor's assistance (remember, RBG has no idea what's being written in her opinions any longer), are upset that the court ruled in a reserved and proper fashion, not making law changes with zero time left on the clock. Something about rules upsets libs. Libs would prefer to have the ability to alter every rule and law known to America, with no time left on any clock, because at the end of the day, they need chaos to effect the change they want for this country, that change primarily being the erosion of any and all civil liberties and rights you now enjoy.

One reason Trump probably should win again is to preserve the court for much longer than what is there now. Without true constitutionalists like Gorsuch on the bench, this country would shatter rather quickly; Sotomajor and gang would prefer we not even have a Constitution. They do not like excellence.

One side is for American excellence, the other seeks its destruction. Never forget that when you vote.
This is U-9 moron talk. You really should stick to aircraft.
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seacoaster wrote: Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:51 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:17 pm Liberals and their perma-obsession with matters they can't begin to comprehend because first they despise it so much, ie: the Constitution, are Hilarity Incorporated.

Ruth's clerks, with Sotomajor's assistance (remember, RBG has no idea what's being written in her opinions any longer), are upset that the court ruled in a reserved and proper fashion, not making law changes with zero time left on the clock. Something about rules upsets libs. Libs would prefer to have the ability to alter every rule and law known to America, with no time left on any clock, because at the end of the day, they need chaos to effect the change they want for this country, that change primarily being the erosion of any and all civil liberties and rights you now enjoy.

One reason Trump probably should win again is to preserve the court for much longer than what is there now. Without true constitutionalists like Gorsuch on the bench, this country would shatter rather quickly; Sotomajor and gang would prefer we not even have a Constitution. They do not like excellence.

One side is for American excellence, the other seeks its destruction. Never forget that when you vote.
This is U-9 moron talk. You really should stick to aircraft.
Tinfoil hat stuff. If RBG was really senile, the rest of the court would act - just as they did when William Douglas suffered a stroke that left him partially paralyzed. (They refused to count his vote if he was in the majority of a 5-4 decision, and refused to let him write opinions. He resigned in about a month.)

PB is flailing here. Trump might be better called the chaos candidate - as his style of rule is to break things to get his way.
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flailing is his specialty.
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