Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

[cradleandshoot]

Sounds like a pretty fun gathering all in all. While the world's largest grab 'em by the flag tournament is going on, Prez and the gals can play a little grab 'em by the pusssie. Can play that when you're a big shot. Prez's rules, heard him say it.

Is that Bill Clinton I hear... can I play to?? I would love to grab me a handful. Sorry, I could not help throwing our former horn dog in chief into the mix.

Of course you did. How long has it been since he was President?

Note: I was strongly in the camp that 'character matters' and that Clinton set a terrible example and should never have been elected, not once, not twice. And that the excuse "it was just sex" set a terrible precedent.

But, if you were in the slightest bit in that same camp re Clinton, it should be impossible to defend Trump's behavior and character.
And 'whataboutism' about nearly two decades ago is a very weak argument.

I think I have been pretty consistent here. In terms of their behavior both Bill Clinton and Donald Trump are a couple of dirtwads. One exception... to my knowledge dirtbag Trump has never been accused of raping or sexually abusing a woman. Dirtbag Bill Clinton has been accused of this by a number of women. Dirtbag Trump likes to boff porn stars and high priced hookers that I believe he pays for their services. Dirtbag Clinton was defended of the accusations against him as being made by a bunch of slutbags that will surface if you drag a hunnah dollah bill thru a trailer park. You pick which morally reprehensible dirtbag rises above the other. Bill Clinton should thank his lucky stars that the # movement was 20 years past all the abusing of women that he allegedly did. Dirt bag Trump bragged about grabbing the by their genitals. Dirtbag Clinton apparently did gram them by their genitals... and then some. I get it, what Clinton did was sooooooo very long ago, not relevant today. Those genitals that were grabbed and women that were raped just no longer are relevant amongst the lilly white FLP elitist snobs that reside here on this forum. Its all about trump now it is not about bill. Yeah... I get that... Time heals all wounds after all.

Here you go dude.


and while you are at it....

Your CinC.....FYI Bill hung out there too (literally)

Thank you for that link TLD... maybe just maybe trump bumped up his game to be in the same league as Bill. That would give us 2 presidents in the last 20 years that may have either raped or sexually abused women So why are all these people heading towards our country on the southern border? It would appear that things are no better in our country than the countries they are trying to escape from?

[Typical Lax Dad]

Sounds like a pretty fun gathering all in all. While the world's largest grab 'em by the flag tournament is going on, Prez and the gals can play a little grab 'em by the pusssie. Can play that when you're a big shot. Prez's rules, heard him say it.

Is that Bill Clinton I hear... can I play to?? I would love to grab me a handful. Sorry, I could not help throwing our former horn dog in chief into the mix.

Of course you did. How long has it been since he was President?

Note: I was strongly in the camp that 'character matters' and that Clinton set a terrible example and should never have been elected, not once, not twice. And that the excuse "it was just sex" set a terrible precedent.

But, if you were in the slightest bit in that same camp re Clinton, it should be impossible to defend Trump's behavior and character.
And 'whataboutism' about nearly two decades ago is a very weak argument.

I think I have been pretty consistent here. In terms of their behavior both Bill Clinton and Donald Trump are a couple of dirtwads. One exception... to my knowledge dirtbag Trump has never been accused of raping or sexually abusing a woman. Dirtbag Bill Clinton has been accused of this by a number of women. Dirtbag Trump likes to boff porn stars and high priced hookers that I believe he pays for their services. Dirtbag Clinton was defended of the accusations against him as being made by a bunch of slutbags that will surface if you drag a hunnah dollah bill thru a trailer park. You pick which morally reprehensible dirtbag rises above the other. Bill Clinton should thank his lucky stars that the # movement was 20 years past all the abusing of women that he allegedly did. Dirt bag Trump bragged about grabbing the by their genitals. Dirtbag Clinton apparently did gram them by their genitals... and then some. I get it, what Clinton did was sooooooo very long ago, not relevant today. Those genitals that were grabbed and women that were raped just no longer are relevant amongst the lilly white FLP elitist snobs that reside here on this forum. Its all about trump now it is not about bill. Yeah... I get that... Time heals all wounds after all.

Here you go dude.


and while you are at it....

Your CinC.....FYI Bill hung out there too (literally)

Thank you for that link TLD... maybe just maybe trump bumped up his game to be in the same league as Bill. That would give us 2 presidents in the last 20 years that may have either raped or sexually abused women So why are all these people heading towards our country on the southern border? It would appear that things are no better in our country than the countries they are trying to escape from?

This could be one reason

[Trinity]

Mattis calls the border deployment a training mission now.

[MDlaxfan76]

Sounds like a pretty fun gathering all in all. While the world's largest grab 'em by the flag tournament is going on, Prez and the gals can play a little grab 'em by the pusssie. Can play that when you're a big shot. Prez's rules, heard him say it.

Is that Bill Clinton I hear... can I play to?? I would love to grab me a handful. Sorry, I could not help throwing our former horn dog in chief into the mix.

Of course you did. How long has it been since he was President?

Note: I was strongly in the camp that 'character matters' and that Clinton set a terrible example and should never have been elected, not once, not twice. And that the excuse "it was just sex" set a terrible precedent.

But, if you were in the slightest bit in that same camp re Clinton, it should be impossible to defend Trump's behavior and character.
And 'whataboutism' about nearly two decades ago is a very weak argument.

I think I have been pretty consistent here. In terms of their behavior both Bill Clinton and Donald Trump are a couple of dirtwads. One exception... to my knowledge dirtbag Trump has never been accused of raping or sexually abusing a woman. Dirtbag Bill Clinton has been accused of this by a number of women. Dirtbag Trump likes to boff porn stars and high priced hookers that I believe he pays for their services. Dirtbag Clinton was defended of the accusations against him as being made by a bunch of slutbags that will surface if you drag a hunnah dollah bill thru a trailer park. You pick which morally reprehensible dirtbag rises above the other. Bill Clinton should thank his lucky stars that the # movement was 20 years past all the abusing of women that he allegedly did. Dirt bag Trump bragged about grabbing the by their genitals. Dirtbag Clinton apparently did gram them by their genitals... and then some. I get it, what Clinton did was sooooooo very long ago, not relevant today. Those genitals that were grabbed and women that were raped just no longer are relevant amongst the lilly white FLP elitist snobs that reside here on this forum. Its all about trump now it is not about bill. Yeah... I get that... Time heals all wounds after all.

Here you go dude.


and while you are at it....

Your CinC.....FYI Bill hung out there too (literally)

Thank you for that link TLD... maybe just maybe trump bumped up his game to be in the same league as Bill. That would give us 2 presidents in the last 20 years that may have either raped or sexually abused women So why are all these people heading towards our country on the southern border? It would appear that things are no better in our country than the countries they are trying to escape from?

This could be one reason

"maybe just maybe"???
Come on cradle, how could you not know this about Trump?
Long, long history.

And seriously, you don't understand the terror these folks are fleeing from?

[runrussellrun]

Terror that WE FUND........

[Typical Lax Dad]

Terror that WE FUND........

We have no involvement! These are just criminals looking to invade our country and rape women and break into our homes and steal our jobs. I heard the Caravan is headed to Wall Street and Silicon Valley to steal jobs in between having babies.

[dislaxxic]

We have no involvement! These are just criminals looking to invade our country and rape women and break into our homes and steal our jobs. I heard the Caravan is headed to Wall Street and Silicon Valley to steal jobs in between having babies.

They also tend to stop off at several voting locations along the way.

To vote multiple times.

After putting on fresh disguises...



..

[foreverlax]

Mattis cited the Gen Pershing -- Pancho Villa analogy. Well played.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/14/politics ... index.html
Mattis sought to distance the US military from the criticism that the President used the deployment to rev up his base prior to the election, emphasizing that the border mission is not unique in a historical context.
"There's nothing new under the sun," he said.
"I think many of you are aware that President Wilson 100 years ago, a little over a 100 years ago, deployed the US Army to the Southwest border. That's over a century ago. The threat then was Pancho Villa's troops, a revolutionary raiding across the border into the United States, New Mexico, in 1916 and there's a more recent history of DoD support on the border: It spans four administrations and both political parties," Mattis added.

The only similarities in this well played analogy - Trump and Wilson.

[Brooklyn]

[Trinity]

Sr admin official tells Jake Tapper re troops sent to border: “It’s a paper tiger. A total joke. Of limited operational utility and a waste of our troops’ time. Mattis knows it. Nielsen knows it. Kelly knows it. But that battle was lost with the President. He was hellbent on troops.”

[old salt]

AP news clips on the fake caravan :

https://www.apnews.com/566cc181c2734d30ba1a03133d1b3304

Migrants in a caravan of Central Americans arrived in Tijuana by the hundreds Wednesday, getting their first glimpse of the robust U.S. military presence that awaits them after President Donald Trump ordered thousands of troops to the border.

Several hundred people from the caravan got off buses and made their way to a shelter on the Mexican side near the border to line up for food. Doctors checked those fighting colds and other ailments while several dozen migrants, mostly single men, spent the night at a Tijuana beach that is cut by a towering border wall of metal bars. Several Border Patrol agents in San Diego watched them through the barrier separating the U.S. and Mexico.

The first wave of migrants in the caravan, which became a central theme of the recent U.S. election, began arriving in Tijuana in recent days, and their numbers have grown each day. The bulk of the main caravan appeared to be about 1,100 miles (1,800 kilometers) from the border, but has recently been moving hundreds of miles a day by hitching rides on trucks and buses.

Many of the new arrivals were waiting in Tijuana for the caravan leaders to arrive and provide guidance on their immigration options to the U.S., including seeking asylum. Some said they might cross illegally.
Mexican authorities said 398 Central American migrants travelling in caravan, arrived in the border city of Tijuana on Wednesday. (Nov. 14)

The first arrivals generally received a warm welcome from Tijuana, despite the fact that its shelter system to house migrants is at capacity. The city’s secretary of economic development has said there are about 3,000 jobs for migrants who want to stay in the city. Some residents came down to where the men were camped on a beach and gave them tacos to eat Wednesday.

The Central Americans in the caravan are the latest migrants to arrive in Tijuana with the hope of crossing into the United States. Tijuana shelters in 2016 housed Haitians who came by the thousands after making their way from Brazil with plans to get to the U.S. Since then, several thousand Haitians have remained in Tijuana, finding work. Some have married local residents and enrolled in local universities.
“Mexico has been excellent; we have no complaint about Mexico. The United States remains to be seen,” said Josue Vargas, a migrant from Honduras who finally pulled into Tijuana on Wednesday after more than a month on the road.

A few people pitched tents at the Tijuana beach plaza while most, like Henry Salinas, 30, of Honduras, planned to sleep there in the open.
He said that he intended to wait for thousands more in the caravan to arrive and that he hoped to jump the fence in a large group at the same time, overwhelming Border Patrol agents.
“It’s going to be all against one, one against all. All of Central America against one, and one against Central America. ... All against Trump, and Trump against all,” he said.
On Tuesday, a couple of dozen migrants scaled the steel border fence to celebrate their arrival, chanting “Yes, we could!” One man dropped over to the U.S. side briefly as border agents watched from a distance. He ran quickly back to the fence.

Tijuana’s head of migrant services, Cesar Palencia Chavez, said authorities offered to take the migrants to shelters immediately, but they initially refused.
“They wanted to stay together in a single shelter,” Palencia Chavez said, “but at this time that’s not possible” because shelters are designed for smaller groups and generally offer separate facilities for men, women and families.
But he said that after their visit to the border, most were taken to shelters in groups of 30 or 40.

On Wednesday, buses and trucks carried some migrants into the state of Sinaloa along the Gulf of California and farther northward into the border state of Sonora.
The Rev. Miguel Angel Soto, director of the Casa de Migrante in the Sinaloa capital of Culiacan, said about 2,000 migrants had arrived in that area. He said the state government, the Roman Catholic Church and city officials in Escuinapa, Sinaloa, were helping the migrants.
The priest said the church had been able to get “good people” to provide buses for moving migrants northward. He said 24 buses had left Escuinapa on an eight-hour drive to Navojoa in Sonora state.
Small groups were also reported in the northern cities of Saltillo and Monterrey, in the region near Texas.
About 1,300 migrants in a second caravan were resting at a stadium in Mexico City, where the first group stayed several days last week. By early Wednesday, an additional 1,100 migrants from a third and last caravan also arrived at the stadium.

Mexico has offered refuge, asylum and work visas to the migrants, and its government said Monday that 2,697 temporary visas had been issued to individuals and families to cover them during the 45-day application process for more permanent status. Some 533 migrants had requested a voluntary return to their countries, the government reported.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/th ... 7dd49c2fd7

Tijuana’s robust network of shelters was already stretched to the limit, having squeezed in double their capacity or more as families slept on the floor on mats, forcing the city to open the gymnasium for up to 360 people Wednesday. A gated outdoor courtyard can accommodate hundreds more.
The city’s thriving factories are always looking for workers, and several thousand Haitian migrants who were turned away at the U.S. border have found jobs and settled here in the last two years, but the prospect of thousands more destitute Central Americans has posed new challenges.
Delia Avila, director of Tijuana’s family services department, who is helping spearhead the city’s response, said migrants who can arrange legal status in Mexico are welcome to stay.
“Tijuana is a land of migrants. Tijuana is a land that has known what it is to embrace thousands of co-nationals and also people from other countries,” Avila said.

As buses from western and central Mexico trickled in overnight and into the morning, families camped inside the bus terminal and waited for word on where they could find a safe place to sleep. One shelter designed for 45 women and children was housing 100; another designed for 100 had nearly 200.
Many endured the evening chill to sleep at an oceanfront park with a view of San Diego office towers and heavily armed U.S. Border Patrol agents on the other side of a steel-bollard fence.

Zapata said he hopes to join a brother in Los Angeles but has not yet decided on his next move. Like many others, he planned to wait in Tijuana for others in the caravan to arrive and gather more information before seeking asylum in the United States.

Francisco Rueda, the top deputy to Baja California state Gov. Francisco Vega de la Madrid, said that if all migrants from the caravan currently in Tijuana were to register to seek asylum in the U.S., they would likely have to wait four months in Mexico at current processing rates. For that reason, the state has asked Mexican federal authorities to encourage others in caravans to go to other border cities.
Rueda reported that about 1,750 migrants from the caravan had now reached Tijuana. Private shelters can house about 700, and the city-owned gym and sports complex has a capacity of 1,000 with the potential to expand to 3,000.
There are 7,000 jobs available in the state for those who can obtain legal status in Mexico, Rueda said. He touted Tijuana’s integration of Haitian migrants over the last two years and the state’s relatively low unemployment rate.

There are real questions about how the city of more than 1.6 million will manage to handle the migrant caravans working their way through Mexico, which may total 10,000 people in all.
“No city in the world is prepared to receive this number of migrants,” said Tijuana social development director Mario Osuna, adding that the city hopes Mexico’s federal government “will start legalizing these people immediately” so they can get jobs and earn a living.

The caravan has fragmented somewhat in recent days in a final push to the border, with some migrants moving rapidly in buses and others falling behind.
On Thursday, hundreds were stranded for most of the day at a gas station in Navojoa, some 750 miles (1,200 kilometers) from Tijuana.
“We were dropped here at midnight ... in the middle of nowhere, where supposedly some buses were going to come pick us up, but nothing,” Alejandra Grisel Rodriguez of Honduras told The Associated Press by phone. “We are without water, without food.”
After about 12 hours seven buses began arriving to collect the migrants, Rodriguez said, but they quickly filled up.
“We would need at least 40 or 50,” she said.

[Trinity]

The administration doesn’t care anymore.

[Lax Fidelis]

The administration doesn’t care anymore.

There's no election in the immediate future so even the DOPUS knows it has little, if not no traction, but will that stop him? Probably not.

When you fly by the seat of your pants, anything might happen.

[Trinity]

He moved on to his defense of Mohammed Bonesaw, denial of climate change and criticizing Naval heroes.

[Trinity]

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/ ... me-1005510

Omg—the troops have announced a withdrawal date? Didn’t we learn from Iraq?

[MDlaxfan76]

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/ ... me-1005510

Omg—the troops have announced a withdrawal date? Didn’t we learn from Iraq?

But what will we do if they start throwing rocks?

[Trinity]

These modern weapon systems are difficult so I don’t know.
Meanwhile 54% of Republicans believe the caravan is a major threat. 28% of Independents. 11% of Democrats.
Latest Monmouth poll.

[old salt]

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/ ... me-1005510

...first troops will start heading home in the coming days as some are already unneeded, having completed the missions for which they were sent. The returning service members include engineering and logistics units whose jobs included placing concertina wire and other barriers to limit access to ports of entry at the U.S.-Mexico border.

The Mexicans are standing up against the invaders. Mexico first ! Make TJ Great Again. #MTJGA
https://www.npr.org/2018/11/19/66919378 ... nt-caravan
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/prot ... ve-n937761
That should be worth a couple hundred extra points in the Hunger Games merit based immigration system.

[holmes435]

The Mexicans are standing up against the invaders. Mexico first ! Make TJ Great Again. #MTJGA
https://www.npr.org/2018/11/19/66919378 ... nt-caravan
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/prot ... ve-n937761
That should be worth a couple hundred extra points in the Hunger Games merit based immigration system.

They were also doing this weeks ago, and accepting asylum request from tons of refugees both before and after Trump got into office. Yet somehow we paint Mexico as the bad guys in this.

I guess congrats on joining us in the present?

[Trinity]

Now where’s my middle class tax cut and when does Trump end birthright citizenship?