He's asking a question, not asserting that he knows the answer.
And it's a very good question. Esper is just another incompetent Trump sycophant who knows nothing.
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Did he eat a bat ?RedFromMI wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:57 pm They now have a positive test on a TIGER at the Bronx Zoo.
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/cor ... b569a42346
Symptoms of a dry cough led to the testing...
Senator Gillibrand looking for a camera to plead that he be admitted to the Comfort.
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old salt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 6:43 pmDid he eat a bat ?RedFromMI wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:57 pm They now have a positive test on a TIGER at the Bronx Zoo.
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/cor ... b569a42346
Symptoms of a dry cough led to the testing...
Senator Gillibrand looking for a camera to plead that he be admitted to the Comfort.
We were counting on them. They let us down. Between Fauci and the Chinese, Trump can’t find decent help
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Pelosi has since encouraged the tiger to come to San Fran to celebrate the year of the rat!old salt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 6:43 pmDid he eat a bat ?RedFromMI wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:57 pm They now have a positive test on a TIGER at the Bronx Zoo.
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/cor ... b569a42346
Symptoms of a dry cough led to the testing...
Senator Gillibrand looking for a camera to plead that he be admitted to the Comfort.
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Or. Hes asking himself the same question. How does this newsman know what briefings are happening where and when.
And stopped the inquiry. Espers been tough hard and on TOPIC every time I've seen him. Hes the furthest thing from a sycophant.
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Esper is facing a real threat to the US population, on our own shores, unlike anything his predecessors faced.
Unlike the WWs, they had time to prepare to fight overseas, while the homeland & our citizens were nor under imminent threat.
At the same time, he must keep the military healthy, capable & deployed to counter all the usual threats, at a time when our adversaries might seek to take advantage of our perceived weakness. There'll be plenty of time for second guessing, but imho -- he's doing a fine job, under difficult conditions.
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jeez, how about some cheese with all that whine for the lobbyist?
We're all rooting for Esper to rise to the challenge...we need his very best.
But here's been absolutely nothing in his performance since taking the job that lends much confidence that he's not just another political sycophant.
We're all rooting for Esper to rise to the challenge...we need his very best.
But here's been absolutely nothing in his performance since taking the job that lends much confidence that he's not just another political sycophant.
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And here we are in April, still with an insufficient number of tests and testing sites available.wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:47 pmearly januaryold salt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:42 pmWhen did the WHO or the Chinese provide to the CDC, the first samples & data necessary for the CDC to begin developing test kits ?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:44 amTo be fair, the Chinese implemented their own travel ban Jan 23rd in Wuhan, as tens of thousands were being identified fast. They had confirmed that it was a new coronavirus on Jan 7, should have locked down then or earlier, but were slow off the mark. We think they underreported their #'s at each stage of this, but we knew the #'s they were publicly reporting were big and growing very fast. And our IC was apparently very clear that the situation was very dire in China.
We should have been focused on preparing for testing those first weeks, but once the Chinese actually hit the panic button we definitely knew that this could be huge if it had already gotten out of China, which anyone with access to travel data could have swiftly predicted as a near certainty. The Federal gov't has such data. They knew.
January 28 we had already found two cases in the US, January 30 we had first confirmed community spread in the US. Of course, that had already begun in multiple areas of the US, just undetected.
So, while the Jan 29 ban was correct to do, it was already much too late to be relied upon as sufficient.
Miserable.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspec ... now-deadly
Trump’s failure on testing will be remembered as one of the colossal failures of leadership in American history.
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Yeah sure. It's obvious how much you're rooting for him.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:35 pm jeez, how about some cheese with all that whine for the lobbyist?
We're all rooting for Esper to rise to the challenge...we need his very best.
But here's been absolutely nothing in his performance since taking the job that lends much confidence that he's not just another political sycophant.
Good thing you weren't packing his chute when he was a paratrooper.
He was on active duty for 10 years (including combat in the Gulf War) & 11 more years in the Army Guard & Reserves.
To you he's just a lobbyist.
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UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson Admitted to hospital 10 days after contracting Coronavirus
Politics aside, I wish him a speedy recovery and best of health.
Politics aside, I wish him a speedy recovery and best of health.
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and there is not a leader among us who would've been properly prepared and executed.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:44 pmAnd here we are in April, still with an insufficient number of tests and testing sites available.wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:47 pmearly januaryold salt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:42 pmWhen did the WHO or the Chinese provide to the CDC, the first samples & data necessary for the CDC to begin developing test kits ?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:44 amTo be fair, the Chinese implemented their own travel ban Jan 23rd in Wuhan, as tens of thousands were being identified fast. They had confirmed that it was a new coronavirus on Jan 7, should have locked down then or earlier, but were slow off the mark. We think they underreported their #'s at each stage of this, but we knew the #'s they were publicly reporting were big and growing very fast. And our IC was apparently very clear that the situation was very dire in China.
We should have been focused on preparing for testing those first weeks, but once the Chinese actually hit the panic button we definitely knew that this could be huge if it had already gotten out of China, which anyone with access to travel data could have swiftly predicted as a near certainty. The Federal gov't has such data. They knew.
January 28 we had already found two cases in the US, January 30 we had first confirmed community spread in the US. Of course, that had already begun in multiple areas of the US, just undetected.
So, while the Jan 29 ban was correct to do, it was already much too late to be relied upon as sufficient.
Miserable.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspec ... now-deadly
Trump’s failure on testing will be remembered as one of the colossal failures of leadership in American history.
DocBarrister
maybe george, jr.
hopefully that will change coming out of this and our children and children's children will be served.
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Properly prepared may be hurdle. Better prepared is more realistic. The administration made some bad decisions.wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:13 pmand there is not a leader among us who would've been properly prepared and executed.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:44 pmAnd here we are in April, still with an insufficient number of tests and testing sites available.wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:47 pmearly januaryold salt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:42 pmWhen did the WHO or the Chinese provide to the CDC, the first samples & data necessary for the CDC to begin developing test kits ?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:44 amTo be fair, the Chinese implemented their own travel ban Jan 23rd in Wuhan, as tens of thousands were being identified fast. They had confirmed that it was a new coronavirus on Jan 7, should have locked down then or earlier, but were slow off the mark. We think they underreported their #'s at each stage of this, but we knew the #'s they were publicly reporting were big and growing very fast. And our IC was apparently very clear that the situation was very dire in China.
We should have been focused on preparing for testing those first weeks, but once the Chinese actually hit the panic button we definitely knew that this could be huge if it had already gotten out of China, which anyone with access to travel data could have swiftly predicted as a near certainty. The Federal gov't has such data. They knew.
January 28 we had already found two cases in the US, January 30 we had first confirmed community spread in the US. Of course, that had already begun in multiple areas of the US, just undetected.
So, while the Jan 29 ban was correct to do, it was already much too late to be relied upon as sufficient.
Miserable.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspec ... now-deadly
Trump’s failure on testing will be remembered as one of the colossal failures of leadership in American history.
DocBarrister
maybe george, jr.
hopefully that will change coming out of this and our children and children's children will be served.
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-a ... ico-2020-3
The FDA being paralyzed among them.
“I wish you would!”
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Maybe Jeb would have followed through on his brother's advise re. pandemic preparedness.wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:13 pmand there is not a leader among us who would've been properly prepared and executed.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:44 pmAnd here we are in April, still with an insufficient number of tests and testing sites available.wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:47 pmearly januaryold salt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:42 pmWhen did the WHO or the Chinese provide to the CDC, the first samples & data necessary for the CDC to begin developing test kits ?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:44 amTo be fair, the Chinese implemented their own travel ban Jan 23rd in Wuhan, as tens of thousands were being identified fast. They had confirmed that it was a new coronavirus on Jan 7, should have locked down then or earlier, but were slow off the mark. We think they underreported their #'s at each stage of this, but we knew the #'s they were publicly reporting were big and growing very fast. And our IC was apparently very clear that the situation was very dire in China.
We should have been focused on preparing for testing those first weeks, but once the Chinese actually hit the panic button we definitely knew that this could be huge if it had already gotten out of China, which anyone with access to travel data could have swiftly predicted as a near certainty. The Federal gov't has such data. They knew.
January 28 we had already found two cases in the US, January 30 we had first confirmed community spread in the US. Of course, that had already begun in multiple areas of the US, just undetected.
So, while the Jan 29 ban was correct to do, it was already much too late to be relied upon as sufficient.
Miserable.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspec ... now-deadly
Trump’s failure on testing will be remembered as one of the colossal failures of leadership in American history.
DocBarrister
maybe george, jr.
hopefully that will change coming out of this and our children and children's children will be served.
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https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resour ... y-2005.pdf
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16494721/
https://transition.fcc.gov/pshs/docs/cl ... T_0809.pdf
When the virus emerged, executive leadership was nowhere to be found. This is what you get when anti science people run the country.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16494721/
https://transition.fcc.gov/pshs/docs/cl ... T_0809.pdf
When the virus emerged, executive leadership was nowhere to be found. This is what you get when anti science people run the country.
“I wish you would!”
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i would imagine every administration for decades have been told to sit for a pandemic presentation (and follow ups) along with dozens of other national security concerns.
as they are random (and not that frequent) events that can't be predicted with much lead time, paradoxically they've been put on the shelf. even bush never followed through.
as they are random (and not that frequent) events that can't be predicted with much lead time, paradoxically they've been put on the shelf. even bush never followed through.
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That is a dangerous lie.wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:13 pmand there is not a leader among us who would've been properly prepared and executed.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:44 pmAnd here we are in April, still with an insufficient number of tests and testing sites available.wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:47 pmearly januaryold salt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:42 pmWhen did the WHO or the Chinese provide to the CDC, the first samples & data necessary for the CDC to begin developing test kits ?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:44 amTo be fair, the Chinese implemented their own travel ban Jan 23rd in Wuhan, as tens of thousands were being identified fast. They had confirmed that it was a new coronavirus on Jan 7, should have locked down then or earlier, but were slow off the mark. We think they underreported their #'s at each stage of this, but we knew the #'s they were publicly reporting were big and growing very fast. And our IC was apparently very clear that the situation was very dire in China.
We should have been focused on preparing for testing those first weeks, but once the Chinese actually hit the panic button we definitely knew that this could be huge if it had already gotten out of China, which anyone with access to travel data could have swiftly predicted as a near certainty. The Federal gov't has such data. They knew.
January 28 we had already found two cases in the US, January 30 we had first confirmed community spread in the US. Of course, that had already begun in multiple areas of the US, just undetected.
So, while the Jan 29 ban was correct to do, it was already much too late to be relied upon as sufficient.
Miserable.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspec ... now-deadly
Trump’s failure on testing will be remembered as one of the colossal failures of leadership in American history.
DocBarrister
maybe george, jr.
hopefully that will change coming out of this and our children and children's children will be served.
Truth is, very few people would have sat on their hands for more than six weeks the way Trump did. Trump delayed because he prioritized his reelection over the lives, health, and safety of the American people. As a matter of tragic and deadly irony, his malignant decision likely sealed his defeat in November.
Trump’s main legacy won’t be impeachment or his other catastrophic failures.
No, Trump’s main legacy will be tens of thousands of lost American souls.
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Why do you keep raising George W? He is among the worst presidents in American history. Even if you give him a big pass on 9/11 (and that’s a huge, unmerited pass in my opinion), he mismanaged two major wars, bungled relief efforts after hurricane Katrina, and wrecked the economy.wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:54 pm i would imagine every administration for decades have been told to sit for a pandemic presentation (and follow ups) along with dozens of other national security concerns.
as they are random (and not that frequent) events that can't be predicted with much lead time, paradoxically they've been put on the shelf. even bush never followed through.
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hillary put up a psa on her twitter in february about social distancing, etc. 1st check in i believe. then a week plus later hosted what looks like a 500-1000 person premiere to promote her own documentary. then went on talk shows and let a host kiss her.
then jumped in on nationwide watch parties where people were hanging all over themselves. well into the 1st 10 days of march. just what i can see from her twitter feed only.
she retweeted an interview where she talks briefly about being involved in obama's admin during sars (which was 2003.. sic).
biden and other prez contenders were holding rallies until march 10+? biden had to have his big rally cancelled for him by a governor, so he held a smaller one anyway. dems ran polls until march 17th and biden thanked those states for doing them.
the obama administration tested a total of 600k? maybe a few more... people over 9-10 months for h1n1. 50-60 million americans got it, tens of thousands died, vaccine was a cluster though discovered. he played the cards that it wouldn't be 100s of thousands or millions and was ok with that loss and that people wouldn't notice. or be worth the effort.
but never acted in any forceful sense to save those lives.
the partisanship and hate /scorn whatever you want to call it won't cure itself or its damage unless and until people start demanding more of our leaders, not our opposing parties' leaders.
then jumped in on nationwide watch parties where people were hanging all over themselves. well into the 1st 10 days of march. just what i can see from her twitter feed only.
she retweeted an interview where she talks briefly about being involved in obama's admin during sars (which was 2003.. sic).
biden and other prez contenders were holding rallies until march 10+? biden had to have his big rally cancelled for him by a governor, so he held a smaller one anyway. dems ran polls until march 17th and biden thanked those states for doing them.
the obama administration tested a total of 600k? maybe a few more... people over 9-10 months for h1n1. 50-60 million americans got it, tens of thousands died, vaccine was a cluster though discovered. he played the cards that it wouldn't be 100s of thousands or millions and was ok with that loss and that people wouldn't notice. or be worth the effort.
but never acted in any forceful sense to save those lives.
the partisanship and hate /scorn whatever you want to call it won't cure itself or its damage unless and until people start demanding more of our leaders, not our opposing parties' leaders.
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i brought him up (once and replied to others) in re: to pandemic response.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:03 pmWhy do you keep raising George W? He is among the worst presidents in American history. Even if you give him a big pass on 9/11 (and that’s a huge, unmerited pass in my opinion), he mismanaged two major wars, bungled relief efforts after hurricane Katrina, and wrecked the economy.wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:54 pm i would imagine every administration for decades have been told to sit for a pandemic presentation (and follow ups) along with dozens of other national security concerns.
as they are random (and not that frequent) events that can't be predicted with much lead time, paradoxically they've been put on the shelf. even bush never followed through.
DocBarrister
and didn't lionize him.
try to keep up.
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Except the world has literally had a H1N1 pandemic and an Ebola epidemic in the past decade that we've had to deal with as a nation.wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:54 pm i would imagine every administration for decades have been told to sit for a pandemic presentation (and follow ups) along with dozens of other national security concerns.
as they are random (and not that frequent) events that can't be predicted with much lead time, paradoxically they've been put on the shelf. even bush never followed through.
Coronavirus deaths are going to pass the entire H1N1 death total in the US in approximately 2 days. 95% of those deaths happened in the previous two weeks and daily deaths are still increasing.
We've had plans for this, and have dealt with similar things every few presidencies. Trump's predilection for reversing or throwing away everything Obama did has caused unnecessary death and suffering.