A lot of the people dying are in the 80+ group.
Some might have been really bad off, within a year of dying anyways.
Life in a nursing home ain't too great.
I hope I die off before I get there, and if I made it there having the coronavirus come an wipe me out sooner would be a blessing.
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Jefferson didn't live through Coronavirus. He'd be squirreled away in Monticello in 2020, drinking Madeira and penning long letters.
The problem with your attitude is that if you roam around free, and get the bug.....you're not the only one who'd suffer. I have married neighbors who are a nurse and a firefighter. They feel it's not a matter of if they get this...it's a matter of when. And all of their colleagues are frantically trying to figure out where to sleep so that they can keep the virus out of their homes.
So if you guys seriously think this is just no big deal? Put in a phone call to your hardest hit hospital when this thing peaks, and open up your home to first responders. They'd be grateful, I promise you.
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wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:34 pmnot sure anyone could reasonably explain why they couldn't wire the money.Kismet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:24 pm Another example of some of the lunacy out there - this from today's Chicago Sun-Times
Illinois adjusts on the fly to meet medical supply needs in a coronavirus ‘Wild West’
"To meet the deadline of a supplier and get 1.5 million potentially life-saving N95 masks, Illinois’ assistant comptroller raced north on I-55 with a $3.4 million check. In a state where the government usually operates on the basis of buy now, pay later (often much, much later), the emergency of the coronavirus pandemic has required a decidedly different approach.
About two weeks ago, Illinois officials tracked down a supply of 1.5 million potentially life-saving N95 respirator masks in China through a middleman in the Chicago area and negotiated a deal to buy them.
One day before they were expecting to complete the purchase, they got a call in the morning from the supplier informing them he had to get a check to the bank by 2 p.m. that day, or the deal was off. Other bidders had surfaced.
Realizing there was no way the supplier could get to Springfield and back by the deadline, Illinois assistant comptroller Ellen Andres jumped in her car and raced north on I-55 with a check for $3,469,600.
From the other end, Jeffrey Polen, president of The Moving Concierge in Lemont, drove south. Polen isn’t in the medical supply business, but he “knows a guy,” an old friend who specializes in working with China’s factories.
As they drove, Andres and Polen arranged to meet in the parking lot of a McDonald’s restaurant just off the interstate in Dwight. They made the handoff there.
Polen made it back to his bank with 20 minutes to spare. Illinois already has received part of the mask shipment. There’s more on the way."
That’s just a taste of the “Wild West” world of emergency procurement taking place over the past several weeks as the state fights for equipment and supplies to protect frontline workers and patients in the battle against COVID-19."
Does it really have to be this way?
i know that's not really your question, but we're in crazy town right now.
You might also ask if this is even a real story, or if it is, is it more Illinois corruption, since the person taking the check was a middleman who 'knows a guy in China' and Illinois has only received 'part' of the promised shipment.
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Yes. I am not sure what you mean by non-linear in this context. What is true, is if the disease if left to its own devices, no intervention, the death curve is actually a Poison distribution. Which like a gaussian has the property of the area under the curve, going up and down, the areas are the same (roughly for the Poison). We are trying to change the shape of the curve by flattening at the peak and extending it. That doesn't change the total dead, it only changes the period of time in which those deaths occur.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:16 pm I’m probably trekking beyond my mathematical skills but the 160k implies something of a Gaussian bell curve I assume or some other equation to get to the 160k? Is it possible this is very non linear on either side of the peak or is your model attempting to smooth that out? Just curious.
At the moment I am paying no attention to what happens on the downside. Only the upside. What can change all of this is the human race coming up with cures and treatments while riding the curve. That will change the rule. Until that time, using a gaussian as an approximation is as good as it gets. I am reasonably certain we will not have some miracle treatment or cure in the next 6 months.
Note. What I am doing is not actually plotting the Poison curve. The number of deaths each day. Rather I am plotting the total deaths to "that day". It is steeper and makes it easier to see the turn coming (the first derivative).
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I think it is a big deal, but messing up so many other people's lives is a big deal too.a fan wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:44 pmJefferson didn't live through Coronavirus. He'd be squirreled away in Monticello in 2020, drinking Madeira and penning long letters.
The problem with your attitude is that if you roam around free, and get the bug.....you're not the only one who'd suffer. I have married neighbors who are a nurse and a firefighter. They feel it's not a matter of if they get this...it's a matter of when. And all of their colleagues are frantically trying to figure out where to sleep so that they can keep the virus out of their homes.
So if you guys seriously think this is just no big deal? Put in a phone call to your hardest hit hospital when this thing peaks, and open up your home to first responders. They'd be grateful, I promise you.
As an American, I feel I have a right to freedom and pursuit of happiness.
Certainly people have the right to hide away in their homes but why do the have the right to imprison me and others?
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What was so special just about the other day? This might describe you and your responses most days.Peter Brown" wrote:I didn't have the mental bandwidth the other day
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Maybe, Cooter because you don't have the right to infect others particularly those who might be at greater risk. You don't occupy the planet on your own, you share it with others.Certainly people have the right to hide away in their homes but why do the have the right to imprison me and others?
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Yup. One of my wife's doctor collegues has moved out of her house to her parents smaller house and her parents have moved in with her husband and kids. She will live alone while this is going on. My wife may move in with her in a few weeks, depending on how things go.a fan wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:44 pmJefferson didn't live through Coronavirus. He'd be squirreled away in Monticello in 2020, drinking Madeira and penning long letters.
The problem with your attitude is that if you roam around free, and get the bug.....you're not the only one who'd suffer. I have married neighbors who are a nurse and a firefighter. They feel it's not a matter of if they get this...it's a matter of when. And all of their colleagues are frantically trying to figure out where to sleep so that they can keep the virus out of their homes.
So if you guys seriously think this is just no big deal? Put in a phone call to your hardest hit hospital when this thing peaks, and open up your home to first responders. They'd be grateful, I promise you.
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Venezuela needs your assistance, Kismet...they're fixin' to stop an 'invasion', you can help defend the socialist paradise!
In fact, Comrade Maduro tried to ram a cruise ship the other day, but instead his own military ship sunk (classic lib birdbrain move).
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They ain't willing to share it with me at the moment.Kismet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:55 pmMaybe, Cooter because you don't have the right to infect others particularly those who might be at greater risk. You don't occupy the planet on your own, you share it with others.Certainly people have the right to hide away in their homes but why do the have the right to imprison me and others?
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Fauci, Birx & all the other experts were deceived by China & the WHO who withheld Wuhan access, data & info on person to person transmission.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:22 amI did read it, that does not change a darned thing. Fauci SCREWED UP and he is the #1 guy as a medical adviser in this mess.RedFromMI wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:12 amRead the WaPo article I posted. Fauci changed his tune within a couple of weeks:youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:07 am (omitte)
Are you all now going to blame Trump for "LISTENING" to Fauci back on January 21st? Enough of the blame game.
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Pick a lane Red. You all are bashing Trump constantly....some worthy. I proved in the video Facui screwed up...BIGLY, Trump clearly listened to him and counted on the Cornell/NIH directors advice...Trump walks it out AFTER listening to Facui.....and many like you....shoot Trump for it. It's okay to to hate Trump.....but maybe you should come out and say you are ticked at Fauci for advising our President incorrectly.
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Cooter -- personally, I agree with that 110%. So does Obamacare father Dr. Zeke Emmanuel of UPenn. No docs after age 75 for me. I have no interest in the docs stretching out the dying process and thereby greatly increase the odds of me having to live with a major physical or mental disability. Had a front row seat watching my parents go that route. No thanks!!Cooter wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:37 pm A lot of the people dying are in the 80+ group.
Some might have been really bad off, within a year of dying anyways.
Life in a nursing home ain't too great.
I hope I die off before I get there, and if I made it there having the coronavirus come an wipe me out sooner would be a blessing.
Among the thing Dr. Zeke points out is that pneumonia isn't a bad way to go:
I take guidance from what Sir William Osler wrote in his classic turn-of-the-century medical textbook, The Principles and Practice of Medicine: “Pneumonia may well be called the friend of the aged. Taken off by it in an acute, short, not often painful illness, the old man escapes those ‘cold gradations of decay’ so distressing to himself and to his friends.”
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/ar ... 75/379329/
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You don't have the right to make me sick....Cooter wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:50 pmI think it is a big deal, but messing up so many other people's lives is a big deal too.a fan wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:44 pmJefferson didn't live through Coronavirus. He'd be squirreled away in Monticello in 2020, drinking Madeira and penning long letters.
The problem with your attitude is that if you roam around free, and get the bug.....you're not the only one who'd suffer. I have married neighbors who are a nurse and a firefighter. They feel it's not a matter of if they get this...it's a matter of when. And all of their colleagues are frantically trying to figure out where to sleep so that they can keep the virus out of their homes.
So if you guys seriously think this is just no big deal? Put in a phone call to your hardest hit hospital when this thing peaks, and open up your home to first responders. They'd be grateful, I promise you.
As an American, I feel I have a right to freedom and pursuit of happiness.
Certainly people have the right to hide away in their homes but why do the have the right to imprison me and others?
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We have our own scientists that have been raising the alarm for years. Now it’s China’s fault that we have a failure of leadership?old salt wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:17 pmFauci, Birx & all the other experts were deceived by China & the WHO who withheld Wuhan access, data & info on person to person transmission.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:22 amI did read it, that does not change a darned thing. Fauci SCREWED UP and he is the #1 guy as a medical adviser in this mess.RedFromMI wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:12 amRead the WaPo article I posted. Fauci changed his tune within a couple of weeks:youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:07 am (omitte)
Are you all now going to blame Trump for "LISTENING" to Fauci back on January 21st? Enough of the blame game.
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Pick a lane Red. You all are bashing Trump constantly....some worthy. I proved in the video Facui screwed up...BIGLY, Trump clearly listened to him and counted on the Cornell/NIH directors advice...Trump walks it out AFTER listening to Facui.....and many like you....shoot Trump for it. It's okay to to hate Trump.....but maybe you should come out and say you are ticked at Fauci for advising our President incorrectly.
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In Houston, a number of hotel chains, Hilton and Marriott for example, have drastically reduced room rates for first responders. Some of these are close to the Texas Medical Center, the largest medical complex in the world with over 100,000 employees. Paying $20-$30 a night for a room with a going rate of around $125 these days, is no long term answer. However, for those who could afford spending $800-$1k for a month or so to possibly protect their family, it might just be worth it.a fan wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:44 pmJefferson didn't live through Coronavirus. He'd be squirreled away in Monticello in 2020, drinking Madeira and penning long letters.
The problem with your attitude is that if you roam around free, and get the bug.....you're not the only one who'd suffer. I have married neighbors who are a nurse and a firefighter. They feel it's not a matter of if they get this...it's a matter of when. And all of their colleagues are frantically trying to figure out where to sleep so that they can keep the virus out of their homes.
So if you guys seriously think this is just no big deal? Put in a phone call to your hardest hit hospital when this thing peaks, and open up your home to first responders. They'd be grateful, I promise you.
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Hell there skippy King Andy was advised 5 years ago by scientists that his state needed 18 thousand ventilators, he bought 2000 and rolled the dice and he crapped out. There was a whole bunch of failure of leadership. None of what our leaders did not do does not matter a hill of beans right now. What matters is what our leaders do in the here and now. I am sure when this is all over the powers that be in Washington DC will have all kinds of hearings to point fingers and blame people for the failures. There should be more than enough blame to go around for every one.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:27 pm"We have our own scientists that have been raising the alarm for years. Now it’s China’s fault that we have a failure of leadership?"old salt wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:17 pmFauci, Birx & all the other experts were deceived by China & the WHO who withheld Wuhan access, data & info on person to person transmission.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:22 amI did read it, that does not change a darned thing. Fauci SCREWED UP and he is the #1 guy as a medical adviser in this mess.RedFromMI wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:12 amRead the WaPo article I posted. Fauci changed his tune within a couple of weeks:youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:07 am (omitte)
Are you all now going to blame Trump for "LISTENING" to Fauci back on January 21st? Enough of the blame game.
#OrangeManBad
Pick a lane Red. You all are bashing Trump constantly....some worthy. I proved in the video Facui screwed up...BIGLY, Trump clearly listened to him and counted on the Cornell/NIH directors advice...Trump walks it out AFTER listening to Facui.....and many like you....shoot Trump for it. It's okay to to hate Trump.....but maybe you should come out and say you are ticked at Fauci for advising our President incorrectly.
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We've been working with local hotels to try and set up the same deal. And then pay for the reduced rate rooms with GoFundme.6x6 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:35 pm In Houston, a number of hotel chains, Hilton and Marriott for example, have drastically reduced room rates for first responders. Some of these are close to the Texas Medical Center, the largest medical complex in the world with over 100,000 employees. Paying $20-$30 a night for a room with a going rate of around $125 these days, is no long term answer. However, for those who could afford spending $800-$1k for a month or so to possibly protect their family, it might just be worth it.
I'll let you know if it works.
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They withheld critical info, access, & data, SPECIFIC to Covid19 which would have allowed US public health officials to accurately determine the degree of person to person transmission of this NEW virius, & plan our response accordingly.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:27 pmWe have our own scientists that have been raising the alarm for years. Now it’s China’s fault that we have a failure of leadership?old salt wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:17 pmFauci, Birx & all the other experts were deceived by China & the WHO who withheld Wuhan access, data & info on person to person transmission.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:22 amI did read it, that does not change a darned thing. Fauci SCREWED UP and he is the #1 guy as a medical adviser in this mess.RedFromMI wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:12 amRead the WaPo article I posted. Fauci changed his tune within a couple of weeks:youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:07 am (omitte)
Are you all now going to blame Trump for "LISTENING" to Fauci back on January 21st? Enough of the blame game.
#OrangeManBad
Pick a lane Red. You all are bashing Trump constantly....some worthy. I proved in the video Facui screwed up...BIGLY, Trump clearly listened to him and counted on the Cornell/NIH directors advice...Trump walks it out AFTER listening to Facui.....and many like you....shoot Trump for it. It's okay to to hate Trump.....but maybe you should come out and say you are ticked at Fauci for advising our President incorrectly.
Do you think Fauci might have given different advice on Jan 21, if the Chinese & WHO had not stated on Jan 15 that there was no person to person transmission ?
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Then stay at home.foreverlax wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:25 pmYou don't have the right to make me sick....Cooter wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:50 pmI think it is a big deal, but messing up so many other people's lives is a big deal too.a fan wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:44 pmJefferson didn't live through Coronavirus. He'd be squirreled away in Monticello in 2020, drinking Madeira and penning long letters.
The problem with your attitude is that if you roam around free, and get the bug.....you're not the only one who'd suffer. I have married neighbors who are a nurse and a firefighter. They feel it's not a matter of if they get this...it's a matter of when. And all of their colleagues are frantically trying to figure out where to sleep so that they can keep the virus out of their homes.
So if you guys seriously think this is just no big deal? Put in a phone call to your hardest hit hospital when this thing peaks, and open up your home to first responders. They'd be grateful, I promise you.
As an American, I feel I have a right to freedom and pursuit of happiness.
Certainly people have the right to hide away in their homes but why do the have the right to imprison me and others?
Live Free or Die!